There's a reason "he" and "she" exist. It's easier to use those words than to form the sentence differently, or maybe the person you're speaking to doesn't know their name, or forgets names a lot. It's convenient. Calling someone a nigger isn't convenient
its only use is malicious.
You can argue calling someone who identifies as female but is a male "he" is malicious
but calling someone "he/him" is not inherently malicious
Well, context is key for one. Calling someone a patently hateful racial epithet is pretty cut and dry. Misgendering someone could be a simple misunderstanding. Even if it was intentional, it could simply boil down to a matter of personal belief, and nothing relating to hatred or incitement of violence to an individual. Not to mention you have to actually prove the speech was for malicious intent.So I'm not entirely sure how you would go about legally compelling people not to misgender someone. It's too much of a grey area.
Quote from: Mordo on May 22, 2018, 10:51:13 AMWell, context is key for one. Calling someone a patently hateful racial epithet is pretty cut and dry. Misgendering someone could be a simple misunderstanding. Even if it was intentional, it could simply boil down to a matter of personal belief, and nothing relating to hatred or incitement of violence to an individual. Not to mention you have to actually prove the speech was for malicious intent.So I'm not entirely sure how you would go about legally compelling people not to misgender someone. It's too much of a grey area.it is my personal belief, nothing relating to hatred or incitement of violence, that your name is "fuckbrain"you have to prove that this speech is for malicious intent to compel me otherwise
Quote from: Verbatim on May 22, 2018, 11:00:30 AMQuote from: Mordo on May 22, 2018, 10:51:13 AMWell, context is key for one. Calling someone a patently hateful racial epithet is pretty cut and dry. Misgendering someone could be a simple misunderstanding. Even if it was intentional, it could simply boil down to a matter of personal belief, and nothing relating to hatred or incitement of violence to an individual. Not to mention you have to actually prove the speech was for malicious intent.So I'm not entirely sure how you would go about legally compelling people not to misgender someone. It's too much of a grey area.it is my personal belief, nothing relating to hatred or incitement of violence, that your name is "fuckbrain"you have to prove that this speech is for malicious intent to compel me otherwiseOh shit I just got nae nae'd :-0
Quote from: eggsalad on May 20, 2018, 11:54:04 AMSpeaking from your own biases here. Some old cunt from 1940 probably could just as easily feel that "nigger" does come off the tongue easily, and being able to just say "nigger" instead of otherwise describing a person is incredibly convenient.Whether or not "nigger" rolls off the tongue doesn't make it a word that's used for convenience or one of the main every day words in the English language. "Nigger" could be erased from the world and the English language would be fine, not the case for "he/she".
Speaking from your own biases here. Some old cunt from 1940 probably could just as easily feel that "nigger" does come off the tongue easily, and being able to just say "nigger" instead of otherwise describing a person is incredibly convenient.
Quote from: challengerX on May 20, 2018, 12:33:36 PMQuote from: eggsalad on May 20, 2018, 11:54:04 AMSpeaking from your own biases here. Some old cunt from 1940 probably could just as easily feel that "nigger" does come off the tongue easily, and being able to just say "nigger" instead of otherwise describing a person is incredibly convenient.Whether or not "nigger" rolls off the tongue doesn't make it a word that's used for convenience or one of the main every day words in the English language. "Nigger" could be erased from the world and the English language would be fine, not the case for "he/she".Maybe "nigger" used to be the acceptable way to refer to a black person, but it fell out of use by the insistence of black people that it be stopped. It didn't just happen naturally; the acceptability of the phrase had to be intentionally erased. I imagine we're seeing the same thing here, where maybe it's currently okay (but really not) to intentionally refer to an open transperson by a pronoun or name they don't prefer, and they're fighting against it so that in X number of years people will see it as as hateful of an intention as using the word "nigger".
I'm not trivialising trans people's experiences
Quote from: Mordo on May 23, 2018, 03:02:19 PMI'm not trivialising trans people's experiencesyeah you are