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Honestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.

ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians.

You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that.

Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 09, 2014, 09:58:56 PM

>Icywind
>Being this liberal

What a surprise. Torture the bastards, I say

You realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.

1. You need proof they did that
2. Even if they did, it was for good reason

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse
http://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/faqs%3A-what-are-ghost-detentions-and-black-sites
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-cia-torture-report-what-you-need-to-know/
http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.html

You're seriously going to sit there and say torturing children is good and useful?

Torture gets shit done

Had you read my links, you jingoistic fucktard, you'd know that it accomplished close to nothing and made our standing in the world even less.

Please, explain how torturing a child is useful. I really want to see just how brainwashed and retarded you are.

Because that kid is probably already indoctrinated into being a terrorist anyway and could give intel on possible hideouts and movements

Also

>being this mad
>throwing out insults

Calm your tits you hippie, I haven't insulted you have I?

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Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:01:40 AM

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Quote from: Brociopath on December 09, 2014, 08:36:04 PM

Honestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.

ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians.

You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that.

Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 09, 2014, 09:58:56 PM

>Icywind
>Being this liberal

What a surprise. Torture the bastards, I say

You realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.

1. You need proof they did that
2. Even if they did, it was for good reason

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse
http://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/faqs%3A-what-are-ghost-detentions-and-black-sites
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-cia-torture-report-what-you-need-to-know/
http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.html

You're seriously going to sit there and say torturing children is good and useful?

Torture gets shit done

Had you read my links, you jingoistic fucktard, you'd know that it accomplished close to nothing and made our standing in the world even less.

Please, explain how torturing a child is useful. I really want to see just how brainwashed and retarded you are.

Because that kid is probably already indoctrinated into being a terrorist anyway and could give intel on possible hideouts and movements

Also

>being this mad
>throwing out insults

Calm your tits you hippie, I haven't insulted you have I?

So we should torture all kids in the Middle East because they could possibly be a terrorist.

Sending this brilliant plan to the Pentagon

I didn't say all kids, just ones that could be potentially useful

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Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:01:40 AM

Quote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 04:59:30 AM

Quote from: Brociopath on December 09, 2014, 08:36:04 PM

Honestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.

ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians.

You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that.

Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 09, 2014, 09:58:56 PM

>Icywind
>Being this liberal

What a surprise. Torture the bastards, I say

You realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.

1. You need proof they did that
2. Even if they did, it was for good reason

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse
http://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/faqs%3A-what-are-ghost-detentions-and-black-sites
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-cia-torture-report-what-you-need-to-know/
http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.html

You're seriously going to sit there and say torturing children is good and useful?

Torture gets shit done

Had you read my links, you jingoistic fucktard, you'd know that it accomplished close to nothing and made our standing in the world even less.

Please, explain how torturing a child is useful. I really want to see just how brainwashed and retarded you are.

Because that kid is probably already indoctrinated into being a terrorist anyway and could give intel on possible hideouts and movements

Also

>being this mad
>throwing out insults

Calm your tits you hippie, I haven't insulted you have I?

I'm a hippie because I don't advocate torturing children? You're a fucking monster. You should be thrown into jail.

Yeah, I'm sure torturing someone who has been taught to hate America will love America after he gets tortured by Americans. And I'm sure he's smart enough and informed about every plan by AQ. Foolproof.

Jesus motherfucking christ. "LETS TORTURE CHILDREN SO THEY WONT BE TERRURISTS HURR DURR FREEDUM"

I'm a monster? Or I just view the world for what it really is? Someone has to do the dirty work.

But that's my point, if they're taught to hate America it won't matter as is. And I never said they would be informed and know of plans, that sounds stupid. I mean indirect intel. Also, children shouldn't be the primary target since there are individuals of greater value to capture.

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Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:01:40 AM

Quote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 04:59:30 AM

Quote from: Brociopath on December 09, 2014, 08:36:04 PM

Honestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.

ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians.

You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that.

Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 09, 2014, 09:58:56 PM

>Icywind
>Being this liberal

What a surprise. Torture the bastards, I say

You realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.

1. You need proof they did that
2. Even if they did, it was for good reason

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse
http://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/faqs%3A-what-are-ghost-detentions-and-black-sites
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-cia-torture-report-what-you-need-to-know/
http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.html

You're seriously going to sit there and say torturing children is good and useful?

Torture gets shit done

Had you read my links, you jingoistic fucktard, you'd know that it accomplished close to nothing and made our standing in the world even less.

Please, explain how torturing a child is useful. I really want to see just how brainwashed and retarded you are.

Because that kid is probably already indoctrinated into being a terrorist anyway and could give intel on possible hideouts and movements

Also

>being this mad
>throwing out insults

Calm your tits you hippie, I haven't insulted you have I?

I'm a hippie because I don't advocate torturing children? You're a fucking monster. You should be thrown into jail.

Yeah, I'm sure torturing someone who has been taught to hate America will love America after he gets tortured by Americans. And I'm sure he's smart enough and informed about every plan by AQ. Foolproof.

Jesus motherfucking christ. "LETS TORTURE CHILDREN SO THEY WONT BE TERRURISTS HURR DURR FREEDUM"

I'm a monster? Or I just view the world for what it really is? Someone has to do the dirty work.

But that's my point, if they're taught to hate America it won't matter as is. And I never said they would be informed and know of plans, that sounds stupid. I mean indirect intel. Also, children shouldn't be the primary target since there are individuals of greater value to capture.

NO CHILDREN SHOULD BE TORTURED YOU FUCKING PSYCHO

Who the fuck were your parents, Nazis? You don't fucking treat children like that.

Yes, somebody does have to do the dirty work. Cleaning up this mess the CIA made which accomplished NOTHING. You torture a known terrorist who has killed or orchestrated plans to kill or knows about important targets. You don't harm children.

SOMETIMES CHILDREN DO, THOUGH, AND THEIR SACRIFICE IS FOR THE BETTER OF ALL

No, my parents are conservatives who watch Fox News.

Some people can't stomach the gritty work that needs to be done to keep the world a little more safe, and this is one of those jobs. Civilian involvement is inevitable. 

Yeah I'm pretty sure Al Qaeda leaders are giving the children all the intel.

Yeah I'm pretty sure Al Qaeda leaders are giving the children all the intel.

They have teenagers strapping on bomb vests, so nothing would surprise me.

If torturing a child is preventing the loss of human life, I'm 100% for it.

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Quote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 04:59:30 AM

Quote from: Brociopath on December 09, 2014, 08:36:04 PM

Honestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.

ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians.

You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that.

Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 09, 2014, 09:58:56 PM

>Icywind
>Being this liberal

What a surprise. Torture the bastards, I say

You realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.

1. You need proof they did that
2. Even if they did, it was for good reason

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse
http://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/faqs%3A-what-are-ghost-detentions-and-black-sites
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-cia-torture-report-what-you-need-to-know/
http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.html

You're seriously going to sit there and say torturing children is good and useful?

Torture gets shit done

Had you read my links, you jingoistic fucktard, you'd know that it accomplished close to nothing and made our standing in the world even less.

Please, explain how torturing a child is useful. I really want to see just how brainwashed and retarded you are.

Because that kid is probably already indoctrinated into being a terrorist anyway and could give intel on possible hideouts and movements

Also

>being this mad
>throwing out insults

Calm your tits you hippie, I haven't insulted you have I?

I'm a hippie because I don't advocate torturing children? You're a fucking monster. You should be thrown into jail.

Yeah, I'm sure torturing someone who has been taught to hate America will love America after he gets tortured by Americans. And I'm sure he's smart enough and informed about every plan by AQ. Foolproof.

Jesus motherfucking christ. "LETS TORTURE CHILDREN SO THEY WONT BE TERRURISTS HURR DURR FREEDUM"

I'm a monster? Or I just view the world for what it really is? Someone has to do the dirty work.

But that's my point, if they're taught to hate America it won't matter as is. And I never said they would be informed and know of plans, that sounds stupid. I mean indirect intel. Also, children shouldn't be the primary target since there are individuals of greater value to capture.

NO CHILDREN SHOULD BE TORTURED YOU FUCKING PSYCHO

Who the fuck were your parents, Nazis? You don't fucking treat children like that.

Yes, somebody does have to do the dirty work. Cleaning up this mess the CIA made which accomplished NOTHING. You torture a known terrorist who has killed or orchestrated plans to kill or knows about important targets. You don't harm children.

SOMETIMES CHILDREN DO, THOUGH, AND THEIR SACRIFICE IS FOR THE BETTER OF ALL

No, my parents are conservatives who watch Fox News.

Some people can't stomach the gritty work that needs to be done to keep the world a little more safe, and this is one of those jobs. Civilian involvement is inevitable.

Children don't have any valid information. It's just not even a trustworthy source when it comes to interrogation. How can you be this brainwashed? These were sadistic people who tortured children for fun and to get the parents to talk who were also innocent civilians. There's no fucking excuse.

Same difference.

This isn't "gritty work", you sheep. A child is not a valid source of information, especially under duress. This is a clear violation of rights and their humanity, and NOTHING was gained from it. Do you understand that? NOTHING WAS GAINED. Will children inevitably get caught in the crossfire of a battle? Yes. Is it inevitable we torture children for absolutely no reason? Absolutely not. There is nothing to gain and nothing was gained. All we did is make more enemies and justify their cause.

Children don't need valid information, they could also be used as a method of psychological warfare for the enemy. There are no rules in war, so why try to limit ourselves in our effectiveness? It would let the enemy know, hey, we're not fucking around, you're gonna get fucked.

If nothing else then, children can be and should be used in a way to terrorize enemy morale.

Yes there are rules in war. There are universal human rights that we as the supposed leaders of the free world shouldn't violate.

Thank goodness you're not in any position of power. All you'd do is have America eternally hated by more and more people. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Really, now? That's why our enemies completely follow the bullshit rules we've laid out? That's why they torture and kill our POWs, suicide bomb crowds of civilians, behead people while screaming ALLAH AKBAR, and so on and so forth. No, there are no rules, and never should be any guidelines for something as brutal as war. All bets are off and it should be whatever it takes to win, no matter the cost. THAT is war, and THAT is exactly how the terrorists are fighting it. So why aren't we? We should torture all the people we can if it will break their morale, we should parade their broken bodies in the streets. We should have mass executions in towns that hide terror scum so they know we won't fuck around. They want to bomb civilian areas? Then so will we.

I know fully well what I'm talking about, I know what war means. Too many people want it to be civilized when it's anything but.