Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 02:53:40 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 02:48:48 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 02:39:29 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 06:06:48 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:49:27 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:45:43 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:40:23 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:36:17 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:29:50 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:19:47 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:17:00 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:13:14 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:01:40 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 04:59:30 AMQuote from: Brociopath on December 09, 2014, 08:36:04 PMHonestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians. You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that. Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 09, 2014, 09:58:56 PM>Icywind>Being this liberalWhat a surprise. Torture the bastards, I sayYou realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.1. You need proof they did that2. Even if they did, it was for good reasonhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandalshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abusehttp://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/faqs%3A-what-are-ghost-detentions-and-black-siteshttp://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-cia-torture-report-what-you-need-to-know/http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.htmlYou're seriously going to sit there and say torturing children is good and useful?Torture gets shit doneHad you read my links, you jingoistic fucktard, you'd know that it accomplished close to nothing and made our standing in the world even less. Please, explain how torturing a child is useful. I really want to see just how brainwashed and retarded you are.Because that kid is probably already indoctrinated into being a terrorist anyway and could give intel on possible hideouts and movementsAlso>being this mad>throwing out insultsCalm your tits you hippie, I haven't insulted you have I?I'm a hippie because I don't advocate torturing children? You're a fucking monster. You should be thrown into jail. Yeah, I'm sure torturing someone who has been taught to hate America will love America after he gets tortured by Americans. And I'm sure he's smart enough and informed about every plan by AQ. Foolproof. Jesus motherfucking christ. "LETS TORTURE CHILDREN SO THEY WONT BE TERRURISTS HURR DURR FREEDUM"I'm a monster? Or I just view the world for what it really is? Someone has to do the dirty work.But that's my point, if they're taught to hate America it won't matter as is. And I never said they would be informed and know of plans, that sounds stupid. I mean indirect intel. Also, children shouldn't be the primary target since there are individuals of greater value to capture.NO CHILDREN SHOULD BE TORTURED YOU FUCKING PSYCHOWho the fuck were your parents, Nazis? You don't fucking treat children like that. Yes, somebody does have to do the dirty work. Cleaning up this mess the CIA made which accomplished NOTHING. You torture a known terrorist who has killed or orchestrated plans to kill or knows about important targets. You don't harm children.SOMETIMES CHILDREN DO, THOUGH, AND THEIR SACRIFICE IS FOR THE BETTER OF ALLNo, my parents are conservatives who watch Fox News.Some people can't stomach the gritty work that needs to be done to keep the world a little more safe, and this is one of those jobs. Civilian involvement is inevitable. Children don't have any valid information. It's just not even a trustworthy source when it comes to interrogation. How can you be this brainwashed? These were sadistic people who tortured children for fun and to get the parents to talk who were also innocent civilians. There's no fucking excuse. Same difference.This isn't "gritty work", you sheep. A child is not a valid source of information, especially under duress. This is a clear violation of rights and their humanity, and NOTHING was gained from it. Do you understand that? NOTHING WAS GAINED. Will children inevitably get caught in the crossfire of a battle? Yes. Is it inevitable we torture children for absolutely no reason? Absolutely not. There is nothing to gain and nothing was gained. All we did is make more enemies and justify their cause.Children don't need valid information, they could also be used as a method of psychological warfare for the enemy. There are no rules in war, so why try to limit ourselves in our effectiveness? It would let the enemy know, hey, we're not fucking around, you're gonna get fucked.If nothing else then, children can be and should be used in a way to terrorize enemy morale.Yes there are rules in war. There are universal human rights that we as the supposed leaders of the free world shouldn't violate. Thank goodness you're not in any position of power. All you'd do is have America eternally hated by more and more people. You have no idea what you're talking about.Really, now? That's why our enemies completely follow the bullshit rules we've laid out? That's why they torture and kill our POWs, suicide bomb crowds of civilians, behead people while screaming ALLAH AKBAR, and so on and so forth. No, there are no rules, and never should be any guidelines for something as brutal as war. All bets are off and it should be whatever it takes to win, no matter the cost. THAT is war, and THAT is exactly how the terrorists are fighting it. So why aren't we? We should torture all the people we can if it will break their morale, we should parade their broken bodies in the streets. We should have mass executions in towns that hide terror scum so they know we won't fuck around. They want to bomb civilian areas? Then so will we.I know fully well what I'm talking about, I know what war means. Too many people want it to be civilized when it's anything but."Let's stop terrorism and win over our enemies by having mass executions of innocent civilians and torturing children then parading their bodies through the the streets. God Bless America :^)"
Quote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 02:48:48 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 02:39:29 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 06:06:48 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:49:27 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:45:43 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:40:23 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:36:17 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:29:50 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:19:47 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:17:00 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:13:14 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:01:40 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 04:59:30 AMQuote from: Brociopath on December 09, 2014, 08:36:04 PMHonestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians. You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that. Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 09, 2014, 09:58:56 PM>Icywind>Being this liberalWhat a surprise. Torture the bastards, I sayYou realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.1. You need proof they did that2. Even if they did, it was for good reasonhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandalshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abusehttp://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/faqs%3A-what-are-ghost-detentions-and-black-siteshttp://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-cia-torture-report-what-you-need-to-know/http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.htmlYou're seriously going to sit there and say torturing children is good and useful?Torture gets shit doneHad you read my links, you jingoistic fucktard, you'd know that it accomplished close to nothing and made our standing in the world even less. Please, explain how torturing a child is useful. I really want to see just how brainwashed and retarded you are.Because that kid is probably already indoctrinated into being a terrorist anyway and could give intel on possible hideouts and movementsAlso>being this mad>throwing out insultsCalm your tits you hippie, I haven't insulted you have I?I'm a hippie because I don't advocate torturing children? You're a fucking monster. You should be thrown into jail. Yeah, I'm sure torturing someone who has been taught to hate America will love America after he gets tortured by Americans. And I'm sure he's smart enough and informed about every plan by AQ. Foolproof. Jesus motherfucking christ. "LETS TORTURE CHILDREN SO THEY WONT BE TERRURISTS HURR DURR FREEDUM"I'm a monster? Or I just view the world for what it really is? Someone has to do the dirty work.But that's my point, if they're taught to hate America it won't matter as is. And I never said they would be informed and know of plans, that sounds stupid. I mean indirect intel. Also, children shouldn't be the primary target since there are individuals of greater value to capture.NO CHILDREN SHOULD BE TORTURED YOU FUCKING PSYCHOWho the fuck were your parents, Nazis? You don't fucking treat children like that. Yes, somebody does have to do the dirty work. Cleaning up this mess the CIA made which accomplished NOTHING. You torture a known terrorist who has killed or orchestrated plans to kill or knows about important targets. You don't harm children.SOMETIMES CHILDREN DO, THOUGH, AND THEIR SACRIFICE IS FOR THE BETTER OF ALLNo, my parents are conservatives who watch Fox News.Some people can't stomach the gritty work that needs to be done to keep the world a little more safe, and this is one of those jobs. Civilian involvement is inevitable. Children don't have any valid information. It's just not even a trustworthy source when it comes to interrogation. How can you be this brainwashed? These were sadistic people who tortured children for fun and to get the parents to talk who were also innocent civilians. There's no fucking excuse. Same difference.This isn't "gritty work", you sheep. A child is not a valid source of information, especially under duress. This is a clear violation of rights and their humanity, and NOTHING was gained from it. Do you understand that? NOTHING WAS GAINED. Will children inevitably get caught in the crossfire of a battle? Yes. Is it inevitable we torture children for absolutely no reason? Absolutely not. There is nothing to gain and nothing was gained. All we did is make more enemies and justify their cause.Children don't need valid information, they could also be used as a method of psychological warfare for the enemy. There are no rules in war, so why try to limit ourselves in our effectiveness? It would let the enemy know, hey, we're not fucking around, you're gonna get fucked.If nothing else then, children can be and should be used in a way to terrorize enemy morale.Yes there are rules in war. There are universal human rights that we as the supposed leaders of the free world shouldn't violate. Thank goodness you're not in any position of power. All you'd do is have America eternally hated by more and more people. You have no idea what you're talking about.Really, now? That's why our enemies completely follow the bullshit rules we've laid out? That's why they torture and kill our POWs, suicide bomb crowds of civilians, behead people while screaming ALLAH AKBAR, and so on and so forth. No, there are no rules, and never should be any guidelines for something as brutal as war. All bets are off and it should be whatever it takes to win, no matter the cost. THAT is war, and THAT is exactly how the terrorists are fighting it. So why aren't we? We should torture all the people we can if it will break their morale, we should parade their broken bodies in the streets. We should have mass executions in towns that hide terror scum so they know we won't fuck around. They want to bomb civilian areas? Then so will we.I know fully well what I'm talking about, I know what war means. Too many people want it to be civilized when it's anything but.
Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 02:39:29 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 06:06:48 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:49:27 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:45:43 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:40:23 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:36:17 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:29:50 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:19:47 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:17:00 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:13:14 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:01:40 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 04:59:30 AMQuote from: Brociopath on December 09, 2014, 08:36:04 PMHonestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians. You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that. Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 09, 2014, 09:58:56 PM>Icywind>Being this liberalWhat a surprise. Torture the bastards, I sayYou realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.1. You need proof they did that2. Even if they did, it was for good reasonhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandalshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abusehttp://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/faqs%3A-what-are-ghost-detentions-and-black-siteshttp://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-cia-torture-report-what-you-need-to-know/http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.htmlYou're seriously going to sit there and say torturing children is good and useful?Torture gets shit doneHad you read my links, you jingoistic fucktard, you'd know that it accomplished close to nothing and made our standing in the world even less. Please, explain how torturing a child is useful. I really want to see just how brainwashed and retarded you are.Because that kid is probably already indoctrinated into being a terrorist anyway and could give intel on possible hideouts and movementsAlso>being this mad>throwing out insultsCalm your tits you hippie, I haven't insulted you have I?I'm a hippie because I don't advocate torturing children? You're a fucking monster. You should be thrown into jail. Yeah, I'm sure torturing someone who has been taught to hate America will love America after he gets tortured by Americans. And I'm sure he's smart enough and informed about every plan by AQ. Foolproof. Jesus motherfucking christ. "LETS TORTURE CHILDREN SO THEY WONT BE TERRURISTS HURR DURR FREEDUM"I'm a monster? Or I just view the world for what it really is? Someone has to do the dirty work.But that's my point, if they're taught to hate America it won't matter as is. And I never said they would be informed and know of plans, that sounds stupid. I mean indirect intel. Also, children shouldn't be the primary target since there are individuals of greater value to capture.NO CHILDREN SHOULD BE TORTURED YOU FUCKING PSYCHOWho the fuck were your parents, Nazis? You don't fucking treat children like that. Yes, somebody does have to do the dirty work. Cleaning up this mess the CIA made which accomplished NOTHING. You torture a known terrorist who has killed or orchestrated plans to kill or knows about important targets. You don't harm children.SOMETIMES CHILDREN DO, THOUGH, AND THEIR SACRIFICE IS FOR THE BETTER OF ALLNo, my parents are conservatives who watch Fox News.Some people can't stomach the gritty work that needs to be done to keep the world a little more safe, and this is one of those jobs. Civilian involvement is inevitable. Children don't have any valid information. It's just not even a trustworthy source when it comes to interrogation. How can you be this brainwashed? These were sadistic people who tortured children for fun and to get the parents to talk who were also innocent civilians. There's no fucking excuse. Same difference.This isn't "gritty work", you sheep. A child is not a valid source of information, especially under duress. This is a clear violation of rights and their humanity, and NOTHING was gained from it. Do you understand that? NOTHING WAS GAINED. Will children inevitably get caught in the crossfire of a battle? Yes. Is it inevitable we torture children for absolutely no reason? Absolutely not. There is nothing to gain and nothing was gained. All we did is make more enemies and justify their cause.Children don't need valid information, they could also be used as a method of psychological warfare for the enemy. There are no rules in war, so why try to limit ourselves in our effectiveness? It would let the enemy know, hey, we're not fucking around, you're gonna get fucked.If nothing else then, children can be and should be used in a way to terrorize enemy morale.Yes there are rules in war. There are universal human rights that we as the supposed leaders of the free world shouldn't violate. Thank goodness you're not in any position of power. All you'd do is have America eternally hated by more and more people. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Quote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 06:06:48 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:49:27 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:45:43 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:40:23 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:36:17 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:29:50 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:19:47 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:17:00 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:13:14 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:01:40 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 04:59:30 AMQuote from: Brociopath on December 09, 2014, 08:36:04 PMHonestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians. You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that. Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 09, 2014, 09:58:56 PM>Icywind>Being this liberalWhat a surprise. Torture the bastards, I sayYou realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.1. You need proof they did that2. Even if they did, it was for good reasonhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandalshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abusehttp://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/faqs%3A-what-are-ghost-detentions-and-black-siteshttp://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-cia-torture-report-what-you-need-to-know/http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.htmlYou're seriously going to sit there and say torturing children is good and useful?Torture gets shit doneHad you read my links, you jingoistic fucktard, you'd know that it accomplished close to nothing and made our standing in the world even less. Please, explain how torturing a child is useful. I really want to see just how brainwashed and retarded you are.Because that kid is probably already indoctrinated into being a terrorist anyway and could give intel on possible hideouts and movementsAlso>being this mad>throwing out insultsCalm your tits you hippie, I haven't insulted you have I?I'm a hippie because I don't advocate torturing children? You're a fucking monster. You should be thrown into jail. Yeah, I'm sure torturing someone who has been taught to hate America will love America after he gets tortured by Americans. And I'm sure he's smart enough and informed about every plan by AQ. Foolproof. Jesus motherfucking christ. "LETS TORTURE CHILDREN SO THEY WONT BE TERRURISTS HURR DURR FREEDUM"I'm a monster? Or I just view the world for what it really is? Someone has to do the dirty work.But that's my point, if they're taught to hate America it won't matter as is. And I never said they would be informed and know of plans, that sounds stupid. I mean indirect intel. Also, children shouldn't be the primary target since there are individuals of greater value to capture.NO CHILDREN SHOULD BE TORTURED YOU FUCKING PSYCHOWho the fuck were your parents, Nazis? You don't fucking treat children like that. Yes, somebody does have to do the dirty work. Cleaning up this mess the CIA made which accomplished NOTHING. You torture a known terrorist who has killed or orchestrated plans to kill or knows about important targets. You don't harm children.SOMETIMES CHILDREN DO, THOUGH, AND THEIR SACRIFICE IS FOR THE BETTER OF ALLNo, my parents are conservatives who watch Fox News.Some people can't stomach the gritty work that needs to be done to keep the world a little more safe, and this is one of those jobs. Civilian involvement is inevitable. Children don't have any valid information. It's just not even a trustworthy source when it comes to interrogation. How can you be this brainwashed? These were sadistic people who tortured children for fun and to get the parents to talk who were also innocent civilians. There's no fucking excuse. Same difference.This isn't "gritty work", you sheep. A child is not a valid source of information, especially under duress. This is a clear violation of rights and their humanity, and NOTHING was gained from it. Do you understand that? NOTHING WAS GAINED. Will children inevitably get caught in the crossfire of a battle? Yes. Is it inevitable we torture children for absolutely no reason? Absolutely not. There is nothing to gain and nothing was gained. All we did is make more enemies and justify their cause.Children don't need valid information, they could also be used as a method of psychological warfare for the enemy. There are no rules in war, so why try to limit ourselves in our effectiveness? It would let the enemy know, hey, we're not fucking around, you're gonna get fucked.If nothing else then, children can be and should be used in a way to terrorize enemy morale.
Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:49:27 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:45:43 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:40:23 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:36:17 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:29:50 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:19:47 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:17:00 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:13:14 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:01:40 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 04:59:30 AMQuote from: Brociopath on December 09, 2014, 08:36:04 PMHonestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians. You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that. Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 09, 2014, 09:58:56 PM>Icywind>Being this liberalWhat a surprise. Torture the bastards, I sayYou realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.1. You need proof they did that2. Even if they did, it was for good reasonhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandalshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abusehttp://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/faqs%3A-what-are-ghost-detentions-and-black-siteshttp://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-cia-torture-report-what-you-need-to-know/http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.htmlYou're seriously going to sit there and say torturing children is good and useful?Torture gets shit doneHad you read my links, you jingoistic fucktard, you'd know that it accomplished close to nothing and made our standing in the world even less. Please, explain how torturing a child is useful. I really want to see just how brainwashed and retarded you are.Because that kid is probably already indoctrinated into being a terrorist anyway and could give intel on possible hideouts and movementsAlso>being this mad>throwing out insultsCalm your tits you hippie, I haven't insulted you have I?I'm a hippie because I don't advocate torturing children? You're a fucking monster. You should be thrown into jail. Yeah, I'm sure torturing someone who has been taught to hate America will love America after he gets tortured by Americans. And I'm sure he's smart enough and informed about every plan by AQ. Foolproof. Jesus motherfucking christ. "LETS TORTURE CHILDREN SO THEY WONT BE TERRURISTS HURR DURR FREEDUM"I'm a monster? Or I just view the world for what it really is? Someone has to do the dirty work.But that's my point, if they're taught to hate America it won't matter as is. And I never said they would be informed and know of plans, that sounds stupid. I mean indirect intel. Also, children shouldn't be the primary target since there are individuals of greater value to capture.NO CHILDREN SHOULD BE TORTURED YOU FUCKING PSYCHOWho the fuck were your parents, Nazis? You don't fucking treat children like that. Yes, somebody does have to do the dirty work. Cleaning up this mess the CIA made which accomplished NOTHING. You torture a known terrorist who has killed or orchestrated plans to kill or knows about important targets. You don't harm children.SOMETIMES CHILDREN DO, THOUGH, AND THEIR SACRIFICE IS FOR THE BETTER OF ALLNo, my parents are conservatives who watch Fox News.Some people can't stomach the gritty work that needs to be done to keep the world a little more safe, and this is one of those jobs. Civilian involvement is inevitable. Children don't have any valid information. It's just not even a trustworthy source when it comes to interrogation. How can you be this brainwashed? These were sadistic people who tortured children for fun and to get the parents to talk who were also innocent civilians. There's no fucking excuse. Same difference.This isn't "gritty work", you sheep. A child is not a valid source of information, especially under duress. This is a clear violation of rights and their humanity, and NOTHING was gained from it. Do you understand that? NOTHING WAS GAINED. Will children inevitably get caught in the crossfire of a battle? Yes. Is it inevitable we torture children for absolutely no reason? Absolutely not. There is nothing to gain and nothing was gained. All we did is make more enemies and justify their cause.
Quote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:45:43 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:40:23 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:36:17 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:29:50 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:19:47 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:17:00 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:13:14 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:01:40 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 04:59:30 AMQuote from: Brociopath on December 09, 2014, 08:36:04 PMHonestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians. You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that. Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 09, 2014, 09:58:56 PM>Icywind>Being this liberalWhat a surprise. Torture the bastards, I sayYou realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.1. You need proof they did that2. Even if they did, it was for good reasonhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandalshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abusehttp://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/faqs%3A-what-are-ghost-detentions-and-black-siteshttp://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-cia-torture-report-what-you-need-to-know/http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.htmlYou're seriously going to sit there and say torturing children is good and useful?Torture gets shit doneHad you read my links, you jingoistic fucktard, you'd know that it accomplished close to nothing and made our standing in the world even less. Please, explain how torturing a child is useful. I really want to see just how brainwashed and retarded you are.Because that kid is probably already indoctrinated into being a terrorist anyway and could give intel on possible hideouts and movementsAlso>being this mad>throwing out insultsCalm your tits you hippie, I haven't insulted you have I?I'm a hippie because I don't advocate torturing children? You're a fucking monster. You should be thrown into jail. Yeah, I'm sure torturing someone who has been taught to hate America will love America after he gets tortured by Americans. And I'm sure he's smart enough and informed about every plan by AQ. Foolproof. Jesus motherfucking christ. "LETS TORTURE CHILDREN SO THEY WONT BE TERRURISTS HURR DURR FREEDUM"I'm a monster? Or I just view the world for what it really is? Someone has to do the dirty work.But that's my point, if they're taught to hate America it won't matter as is. And I never said they would be informed and know of plans, that sounds stupid. I mean indirect intel. Also, children shouldn't be the primary target since there are individuals of greater value to capture.NO CHILDREN SHOULD BE TORTURED YOU FUCKING PSYCHOWho the fuck were your parents, Nazis? You don't fucking treat children like that. Yes, somebody does have to do the dirty work. Cleaning up this mess the CIA made which accomplished NOTHING. You torture a known terrorist who has killed or orchestrated plans to kill or knows about important targets. You don't harm children.SOMETIMES CHILDREN DO, THOUGH, AND THEIR SACRIFICE IS FOR THE BETTER OF ALLNo, my parents are conservatives who watch Fox News.Some people can't stomach the gritty work that needs to be done to keep the world a little more safe, and this is one of those jobs. Civilian involvement is inevitable.
Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:40:23 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:36:17 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:29:50 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:19:47 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:17:00 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:13:14 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:01:40 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 04:59:30 AMQuote from: Brociopath on December 09, 2014, 08:36:04 PMHonestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians. You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that. Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 09, 2014, 09:58:56 PM>Icywind>Being this liberalWhat a surprise. Torture the bastards, I sayYou realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.1. You need proof they did that2. Even if they did, it was for good reasonhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandalshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abusehttp://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/faqs%3A-what-are-ghost-detentions-and-black-siteshttp://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-cia-torture-report-what-you-need-to-know/http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.htmlYou're seriously going to sit there and say torturing children is good and useful?Torture gets shit doneHad you read my links, you jingoistic fucktard, you'd know that it accomplished close to nothing and made our standing in the world even less. Please, explain how torturing a child is useful. I really want to see just how brainwashed and retarded you are.Because that kid is probably already indoctrinated into being a terrorist anyway and could give intel on possible hideouts and movementsAlso>being this mad>throwing out insultsCalm your tits you hippie, I haven't insulted you have I?I'm a hippie because I don't advocate torturing children? You're a fucking monster. You should be thrown into jail. Yeah, I'm sure torturing someone who has been taught to hate America will love America after he gets tortured by Americans. And I'm sure he's smart enough and informed about every plan by AQ. Foolproof. Jesus motherfucking christ. "LETS TORTURE CHILDREN SO THEY WONT BE TERRURISTS HURR DURR FREEDUM"I'm a monster? Or I just view the world for what it really is? Someone has to do the dirty work.But that's my point, if they're taught to hate America it won't matter as is. And I never said they would be informed and know of plans, that sounds stupid. I mean indirect intel. Also, children shouldn't be the primary target since there are individuals of greater value to capture.NO CHILDREN SHOULD BE TORTURED YOU FUCKING PSYCHOWho the fuck were your parents, Nazis? You don't fucking treat children like that. Yes, somebody does have to do the dirty work. Cleaning up this mess the CIA made which accomplished NOTHING. You torture a known terrorist who has killed or orchestrated plans to kill or knows about important targets. You don't harm children.
Quote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:36:17 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:29:50 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:19:47 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:17:00 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:13:14 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:01:40 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 04:59:30 AMQuote from: Brociopath on December 09, 2014, 08:36:04 PMHonestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians. You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that. Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 09, 2014, 09:58:56 PM>Icywind>Being this liberalWhat a surprise. Torture the bastards, I sayYou realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.1. You need proof they did that2. Even if they did, it was for good reasonhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandalshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abusehttp://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/faqs%3A-what-are-ghost-detentions-and-black-siteshttp://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-cia-torture-report-what-you-need-to-know/http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.htmlYou're seriously going to sit there and say torturing children is good and useful?Torture gets shit doneHad you read my links, you jingoistic fucktard, you'd know that it accomplished close to nothing and made our standing in the world even less. Please, explain how torturing a child is useful. I really want to see just how brainwashed and retarded you are.Because that kid is probably already indoctrinated into being a terrorist anyway and could give intel on possible hideouts and movementsAlso>being this mad>throwing out insultsCalm your tits you hippie, I haven't insulted you have I?I'm a hippie because I don't advocate torturing children? You're a fucking monster. You should be thrown into jail. Yeah, I'm sure torturing someone who has been taught to hate America will love America after he gets tortured by Americans. And I'm sure he's smart enough and informed about every plan by AQ. Foolproof. Jesus motherfucking christ. "LETS TORTURE CHILDREN SO THEY WONT BE TERRURISTS HURR DURR FREEDUM"I'm a monster? Or I just view the world for what it really is? Someone has to do the dirty work.But that's my point, if they're taught to hate America it won't matter as is. And I never said they would be informed and know of plans, that sounds stupid. I mean indirect intel. Also, children shouldn't be the primary target since there are individuals of greater value to capture.
Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:29:50 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:19:47 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:17:00 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:13:14 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:01:40 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 04:59:30 AMQuote from: Brociopath on December 09, 2014, 08:36:04 PMHonestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians. You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that. Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 09, 2014, 09:58:56 PM>Icywind>Being this liberalWhat a surprise. Torture the bastards, I sayYou realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.1. You need proof they did that2. Even if they did, it was for good reasonhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandalshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abusehttp://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/faqs%3A-what-are-ghost-detentions-and-black-siteshttp://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-cia-torture-report-what-you-need-to-know/http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.htmlYou're seriously going to sit there and say torturing children is good and useful?Torture gets shit doneHad you read my links, you jingoistic fucktard, you'd know that it accomplished close to nothing and made our standing in the world even less. Please, explain how torturing a child is useful. I really want to see just how brainwashed and retarded you are.Because that kid is probably already indoctrinated into being a terrorist anyway and could give intel on possible hideouts and movementsAlso>being this mad>throwing out insultsCalm your tits you hippie, I haven't insulted you have I?I'm a hippie because I don't advocate torturing children? You're a fucking monster. You should be thrown into jail. Yeah, I'm sure torturing someone who has been taught to hate America will love America after he gets tortured by Americans. And I'm sure he's smart enough and informed about every plan by AQ. Foolproof. Jesus motherfucking christ. "LETS TORTURE CHILDREN SO THEY WONT BE TERRURISTS HURR DURR FREEDUM"
Quote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:19:47 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:17:00 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:13:14 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:01:40 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 04:59:30 AMQuote from: Brociopath on December 09, 2014, 08:36:04 PMHonestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians. You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that. Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 09, 2014, 09:58:56 PM>Icywind>Being this liberalWhat a surprise. Torture the bastards, I sayYou realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.1. You need proof they did that2. Even if they did, it was for good reasonhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandalshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abusehttp://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/faqs%3A-what-are-ghost-detentions-and-black-siteshttp://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-cia-torture-report-what-you-need-to-know/http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.htmlYou're seriously going to sit there and say torturing children is good and useful?Torture gets shit doneHad you read my links, you jingoistic fucktard, you'd know that it accomplished close to nothing and made our standing in the world even less. Please, explain how torturing a child is useful. I really want to see just how brainwashed and retarded you are.Because that kid is probably already indoctrinated into being a terrorist anyway and could give intel on possible hideouts and movementsAlso>being this mad>throwing out insultsCalm your tits you hippie, I haven't insulted you have I?
Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:17:00 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:13:14 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:01:40 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 04:59:30 AMQuote from: Brociopath on December 09, 2014, 08:36:04 PMHonestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians. You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that. Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 09, 2014, 09:58:56 PM>Icywind>Being this liberalWhat a surprise. Torture the bastards, I sayYou realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.1. You need proof they did that2. Even if they did, it was for good reasonhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandalshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abusehttp://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/faqs%3A-what-are-ghost-detentions-and-black-siteshttp://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-cia-torture-report-what-you-need-to-know/http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.htmlYou're seriously going to sit there and say torturing children is good and useful?Torture gets shit doneHad you read my links, you jingoistic fucktard, you'd know that it accomplished close to nothing and made our standing in the world even less. Please, explain how torturing a child is useful. I really want to see just how brainwashed and retarded you are.
Quote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:13:14 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:01:40 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 04:59:30 AMQuote from: Brociopath on December 09, 2014, 08:36:04 PMHonestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians. You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that. Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 09, 2014, 09:58:56 PM>Icywind>Being this liberalWhat a surprise. Torture the bastards, I sayYou realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.1. You need proof they did that2. Even if they did, it was for good reasonhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandalshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abusehttp://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/faqs%3A-what-are-ghost-detentions-and-black-siteshttp://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-cia-torture-report-what-you-need-to-know/http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.htmlYou're seriously going to sit there and say torturing children is good and useful?Torture gets shit done
Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:01:40 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 04:59:30 AMQuote from: Brociopath on December 09, 2014, 08:36:04 PMHonestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians. You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that. Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 09, 2014, 09:58:56 PM>Icywind>Being this liberalWhat a surprise. Torture the bastards, I sayYou realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.1. You need proof they did that2. Even if they did, it was for good reasonhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandalshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abusehttp://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/faqs%3A-what-are-ghost-detentions-and-black-siteshttp://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-cia-torture-report-what-you-need-to-know/http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.htmlYou're seriously going to sit there and say torturing children is good and useful?
Quote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 04:59:30 AMQuote from: Brociopath on December 09, 2014, 08:36:04 PMHonestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians. You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that. Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 09, 2014, 09:58:56 PM>Icywind>Being this liberalWhat a surprise. Torture the bastards, I sayYou realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.1. You need proof they did that2. Even if they did, it was for good reason
Quote from: Brociopath on December 09, 2014, 08:36:04 PMHonestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians. You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that. Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 09, 2014, 09:58:56 PM>Icywind>Being this liberalWhat a surprise. Torture the bastards, I sayYou realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.
Honestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.
>Icywind>Being this liberalWhat a surprise. Torture the bastards, I say
This is about eradication of an extreme and dangerous sect and terrorist ideals.
Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 02:53:40 PMNo, there are no rules, and never should be any guidelines for something as brutal as war. All bets are off and it should be whatever it takes to win, no matter the cost. THAT is war, and THAT is exactly how the terrorists are fighting it.This is about as archaic a belief as one can get. Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 02:53:40 PMSo why aren't we?Because we aren't underfunded militants fighting, what has essentially become, guerilla warfare.That was Vietnam, and America was hated for it. Hell, still are.Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 02:53:40 PM We should torture all the people we can if it will break their morale, we should parade their broken bodies in the streets. We should have mass executions in towns that hide terror scum so they know we won't fuck around. They want to bomb civilian areas? Then so will we.And guess what - that makes you the terrorists as well. You are saying we should torture anyone we can, parade broken dead bodies in the streets, and conduct mass executions?You sound like ISIS.
No, there are no rules, and never should be any guidelines for something as brutal as war. All bets are off and it should be whatever it takes to win, no matter the cost. THAT is war, and THAT is exactly how the terrorists are fighting it.
So why aren't we?
We should torture all the people we can if it will break their morale, we should parade their broken bodies in the streets. We should have mass executions in towns that hide terror scum so they know we won't fuck around. They want to bomb civilian areas? Then so will we.
Quote from: IcyWind on December 10, 2014, 02:56:09 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 02:53:40 PMNo, there are no rules, and never should be any guidelines for something as brutal as war. All bets are off and it should be whatever it takes to win, no matter the cost. THAT is war, and THAT is exactly how the terrorists are fighting it.This is about as archaic a belief as one can get. Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 02:53:40 PMSo why aren't we?Because we aren't underfunded militants fighting, what has essentially become, guerilla warfare.That was Vietnam, and America was hated for it. Hell, still are.Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 02:53:40 PM We should torture all the people we can if it will break their morale, we should parade their broken bodies in the streets. We should have mass executions in towns that hide terror scum so they know we won't fuck around. They want to bomb civilian areas? Then so will we.And guess what - that makes you the terrorists as well. You are saying we should torture anyone we can, parade broken dead bodies in the streets, and conduct mass executions?You sound like ISIS.Oh, its IcyWind, liberal savior of the evil United States. Disregard.
Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 02:59:10 PMThis is about eradication of an extreme and dangerous sect and terrorist ideals.Are we eradicating terrorism, or Islam in general?Cause in either way, bombing countries, committing executions, etc. isn't the correct way to fix either problem.
Quote from: IcyWind on December 10, 2014, 03:00:29 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 02:59:10 PMThis is about eradication of an extreme and dangerous sect and terrorist ideals.Are we eradicating terrorism, or Islam in general?Cause in either way, bombing countries, committing executions, etc. isn't the correct way to fix either problem.If eliminating Islam is what it takes then I'm all for it. A large faction that stems terrorism will be gone and I will not weep tears.
Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 03:02:36 PMQuote from: IcyWind on December 10, 2014, 03:00:29 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 02:59:10 PMThis is about eradication of an extreme and dangerous sect and terrorist ideals.Are we eradicating terrorism, or Islam in general?Cause in either way, bombing countries, committing executions, etc. isn't the correct way to fix either problem.If eliminating Islam is what it takes then I'm all for it. A large faction that stems terrorism will be gone and I will not weep tears.You do realize bombs, guns, executions, and torture are not the ways to defeat a religion, correct?If anything, you're only going to strengthen extremist resolve.
Are we eradicating terrorism, or Islam in general?
Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 02:59:10 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 02:55:43 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 02:53:40 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 02:48:48 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 02:39:29 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 06:06:48 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:49:27 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:45:43 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:40:23 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:36:17 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:29:50 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:19:47 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:17:00 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:13:14 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:01:40 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 04:59:30 AMQuote from: Brociopath on December 09, 2014, 08:36:04 PMHonestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians. You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that. Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 09, 2014, 09:58:56 PM>Icywind>Being this liberalWhat a surprise. Torture the bastards, I sayYou realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.1. You need proof they did that2. Even if they did, it was for good reasonhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandalshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abusehttp://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/faqs%3A-what-are-ghost-detentions-and-black-siteshttp://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-cia-torture-report-what-you-need-to-know/http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.htmlYou're seriously going to sit there and say torturing children is good and useful?Torture gets shit doneHad you read my links, you jingoistic fucktard, you'd know that it accomplished close to nothing and made our standing in the world even less. Please, explain how torturing a child is useful. I really want to see just how brainwashed and retarded you are.Because that kid is probably already indoctrinated into being a terrorist anyway and could give intel on possible hideouts and movementsAlso>being this mad>throwing out insultsCalm your tits you hippie, I haven't insulted you have I?I'm a hippie because I don't advocate torturing children? You're a fucking monster. You should be thrown into jail. Yeah, I'm sure torturing someone who has been taught to hate America will love America after he gets tortured by Americans. And I'm sure he's smart enough and informed about every plan by AQ. Foolproof. Jesus motherfucking christ. "LETS TORTURE CHILDREN SO THEY WONT BE TERRURISTS HURR DURR FREEDUM"I'm a monster? Or I just view the world for what it really is? Someone has to do the dirty work.But that's my point, if they're taught to hate America it won't matter as is. And I never said they would be informed and know of plans, that sounds stupid. I mean indirect intel. Also, children shouldn't be the primary target since there are individuals of greater value to capture.NO CHILDREN SHOULD BE TORTURED YOU FUCKING PSYCHOWho the fuck were your parents, Nazis? You don't fucking treat children like that. Yes, somebody does have to do the dirty work. Cleaning up this mess the CIA made which accomplished NOTHING. You torture a known terrorist who has killed or orchestrated plans to kill or knows about important targets. You don't harm children.SOMETIMES CHILDREN DO, THOUGH, AND THEIR SACRIFICE IS FOR THE BETTER OF ALLNo, my parents are conservatives who watch Fox News.Some people can't stomach the gritty work that needs to be done to keep the world a little more safe, and this is one of those jobs. Civilian involvement is inevitable. Children don't have any valid information. It's just not even a trustworthy source when it comes to interrogation. How can you be this brainwashed? These were sadistic people who tortured children for fun and to get the parents to talk who were also innocent civilians. There's no fucking excuse. Same difference.This isn't "gritty work", you sheep. A child is not a valid source of information, especially under duress. This is a clear violation of rights and their humanity, and NOTHING was gained from it. Do you understand that? NOTHING WAS GAINED. Will children inevitably get caught in the crossfire of a battle? Yes. Is it inevitable we torture children for absolutely no reason? Absolutely not. There is nothing to gain and nothing was gained. All we did is make more enemies and justify their cause.Children don't need valid information, they could also be used as a method of psychological warfare for the enemy. There are no rules in war, so why try to limit ourselves in our effectiveness? It would let the enemy know, hey, we're not fucking around, you're gonna get fucked.If nothing else then, children can be and should be used in a way to terrorize enemy morale.Yes there are rules in war. There are universal human rights that we as the supposed leaders of the free world shouldn't violate. Thank goodness you're not in any position of power. All you'd do is have America eternally hated by more and more people. You have no idea what you're talking about.Really, now? That's why our enemies completely follow the bullshit rules we've laid out? That's why they torture and kill our POWs, suicide bomb crowds of civilians, behead people while screaming ALLAH AKBAR, and so on and so forth. No, there are no rules, and never should be any guidelines for something as brutal as war. All bets are off and it should be whatever it takes to win, no matter the cost. THAT is war, and THAT is exactly how the terrorists are fighting it. So why aren't we? We should torture all the people we can if it will break their morale, we should parade their broken bodies in the streets. We should have mass executions in towns that hide terror scum so they know we won't fuck around. They want to bomb civilian areas? Then so will we.I know fully well what I'm talking about, I know what war means. Too many people want it to be civilized when it's anything but."Let's stop terrorism and win over our enemies by having mass executions of innocent civilians and torturing children then parading their bodies through the the streets. God Bless America :^)"Who said anything about winning them over? This is about eradication of an extreme and dangerous sect and terrorist ideals. We're not trying to win over anybody, let them hate America all they want if it means we've destroyed their idealistic bullshit once and for all. If it means killing off a huge amount of these crazy bastards, then do it. It's better for everyone in the long run.Eradicating their hatred of America is what will stop them from attacking the West. Making them hate us more by killing innocent people will only justify their cause. They'll have won completely. You don't destroy a fucked up ideology by senseless killing, you show them why they're wrong. You defend yourself in the meanwhile, but you don't kill civilians. Get that through your head.
Quote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 02:55:43 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 02:53:40 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 02:48:48 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 02:39:29 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 06:06:48 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:49:27 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:45:43 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:40:23 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:36:17 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:29:50 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:19:47 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:17:00 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:13:14 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:01:40 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 04:59:30 AMQuote from: Brociopath on December 09, 2014, 08:36:04 PMHonestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians. You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that. Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 09, 2014, 09:58:56 PM>Icywind>Being this liberalWhat a surprise. Torture the bastards, I sayYou realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.1. You need proof they did that2. Even if they did, it was for good reasonhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandalshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abusehttp://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/faqs%3A-what-are-ghost-detentions-and-black-siteshttp://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-cia-torture-report-what-you-need-to-know/http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.htmlYou're seriously going to sit there and say torturing children is good and useful?Torture gets shit doneHad you read my links, you jingoistic fucktard, you'd know that it accomplished close to nothing and made our standing in the world even less. Please, explain how torturing a child is useful. I really want to see just how brainwashed and retarded you are.Because that kid is probably already indoctrinated into being a terrorist anyway and could give intel on possible hideouts and movementsAlso>being this mad>throwing out insultsCalm your tits you hippie, I haven't insulted you have I?I'm a hippie because I don't advocate torturing children? You're a fucking monster. You should be thrown into jail. Yeah, I'm sure torturing someone who has been taught to hate America will love America after he gets tortured by Americans. And I'm sure he's smart enough and informed about every plan by AQ. Foolproof. Jesus motherfucking christ. "LETS TORTURE CHILDREN SO THEY WONT BE TERRURISTS HURR DURR FREEDUM"I'm a monster? Or I just view the world for what it really is? Someone has to do the dirty work.But that's my point, if they're taught to hate America it won't matter as is. And I never said they would be informed and know of plans, that sounds stupid. I mean indirect intel. Also, children shouldn't be the primary target since there are individuals of greater value to capture.NO CHILDREN SHOULD BE TORTURED YOU FUCKING PSYCHOWho the fuck were your parents, Nazis? You don't fucking treat children like that. Yes, somebody does have to do the dirty work. Cleaning up this mess the CIA made which accomplished NOTHING. You torture a known terrorist who has killed or orchestrated plans to kill or knows about important targets. You don't harm children.SOMETIMES CHILDREN DO, THOUGH, AND THEIR SACRIFICE IS FOR THE BETTER OF ALLNo, my parents are conservatives who watch Fox News.Some people can't stomach the gritty work that needs to be done to keep the world a little more safe, and this is one of those jobs. Civilian involvement is inevitable. Children don't have any valid information. It's just not even a trustworthy source when it comes to interrogation. How can you be this brainwashed? These were sadistic people who tortured children for fun and to get the parents to talk who were also innocent civilians. There's no fucking excuse. Same difference.This isn't "gritty work", you sheep. A child is not a valid source of information, especially under duress. This is a clear violation of rights and their humanity, and NOTHING was gained from it. Do you understand that? NOTHING WAS GAINED. Will children inevitably get caught in the crossfire of a battle? Yes. Is it inevitable we torture children for absolutely no reason? Absolutely not. There is nothing to gain and nothing was gained. All we did is make more enemies and justify their cause.Children don't need valid information, they could also be used as a method of psychological warfare for the enemy. There are no rules in war, so why try to limit ourselves in our effectiveness? It would let the enemy know, hey, we're not fucking around, you're gonna get fucked.If nothing else then, children can be and should be used in a way to terrorize enemy morale.Yes there are rules in war. There are universal human rights that we as the supposed leaders of the free world shouldn't violate. Thank goodness you're not in any position of power. All you'd do is have America eternally hated by more and more people. You have no idea what you're talking about.Really, now? That's why our enemies completely follow the bullshit rules we've laid out? That's why they torture and kill our POWs, suicide bomb crowds of civilians, behead people while screaming ALLAH AKBAR, and so on and so forth. No, there are no rules, and never should be any guidelines for something as brutal as war. All bets are off and it should be whatever it takes to win, no matter the cost. THAT is war, and THAT is exactly how the terrorists are fighting it. So why aren't we? We should torture all the people we can if it will break their morale, we should parade their broken bodies in the streets. We should have mass executions in towns that hide terror scum so they know we won't fuck around. They want to bomb civilian areas? Then so will we.I know fully well what I'm talking about, I know what war means. Too many people want it to be civilized when it's anything but."Let's stop terrorism and win over our enemies by having mass executions of innocent civilians and torturing children then parading their bodies through the the streets. God Bless America :^)"Who said anything about winning them over? This is about eradication of an extreme and dangerous sect and terrorist ideals. We're not trying to win over anybody, let them hate America all they want if it means we've destroyed their idealistic bullshit once and for all. If it means killing off a huge amount of these crazy bastards, then do it. It's better for everyone in the long run.
Quote from: IcyWind on December 10, 2014, 03:00:29 PMAre we eradicating terrorism, or Islam in general?Separating the two is difficult.
A couple nukes in the East might do the trick just like it did to Japan.
Quote from: IcyWind on December 10, 2014, 03:03:23 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 03:02:36 PMQuote from: IcyWind on December 10, 2014, 03:00:29 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 02:59:10 PMThis is about eradication of an extreme and dangerous sect and terrorist ideals.Are we eradicating terrorism, or Islam in general?Cause in either way, bombing countries, committing executions, etc. isn't the correct way to fix either problem.If eliminating Islam is what it takes then I'm all for it. A large faction that stems terrorism will be gone and I will not weep tears.You do realize bombs, guns, executions, and torture are not the ways to defeat a religion, correct?If anything, you're only going to strengthen extremist resolve.You're right, determination and longevity of dropping those bombs will defeat a religion. A war until they break their resolve. They sure as hell won't stop if we do. We should bomb them back into whatever stone age they're still stuck in, and then some.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on December 10, 2014, 03:10:35 PMQuote from: IcyWind on December 10, 2014, 03:00:29 PMAre we eradicating terrorism, or Islam in general?Separating the two is difficult.I don't believe so - but again, we've had this debate about twenty times in this forum.
Quote from: IcyWind on December 10, 2014, 03:11:31 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on December 10, 2014, 03:10:35 PMQuote from: IcyWind on December 10, 2014, 03:00:29 PMAre we eradicating terrorism, or Islam in general?Separating the two is difficult.I don't believe so - but again, we've had this debate about twenty times in this forum.It isn't my fault you refuse to accept the truth. Spoiler
Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 03:05:25 PMQuote from: IcyWind on December 10, 2014, 03:03:23 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 03:02:36 PMQuote from: IcyWind on December 10, 2014, 03:00:29 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 02:59:10 PMThis is about eradication of an extreme and dangerous sect and terrorist ideals.Are we eradicating terrorism, or Islam in general?Cause in either way, bombing countries, committing executions, etc. isn't the correct way to fix either problem.If eliminating Islam is what it takes then I'm all for it. A large faction that stems terrorism will be gone and I will not weep tears.You do realize bombs, guns, executions, and torture are not the ways to defeat a religion, correct?If anything, you're only going to strengthen extremist resolve.You're right, determination and longevity of dropping those bombs will defeat a religion. A war until they break their resolve. They sure as hell won't stop if we do. We should bomb them back into whatever stone age they're still stuck in, and then some.Because nobody will mind America committing genocide or try to stop America. Wow. This is just something else. Have you ever met any of these people you hate so much?
You bomb a village to kill 5 jihadis, you kill 5 civilians in the process and that's five more families that will send their sons to fight the west.
Quote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 03:08:27 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 03:05:25 PMQuote from: IcyWind on December 10, 2014, 03:03:23 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 03:02:36 PMQuote from: IcyWind on December 10, 2014, 03:00:29 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 02:59:10 PMThis is about eradication of an extreme and dangerous sect and terrorist ideals.Are we eradicating terrorism, or Islam in general?Cause in either way, bombing countries, committing executions, etc. isn't the correct way to fix either problem.If eliminating Islam is what it takes then I'm all for it. A large faction that stems terrorism will be gone and I will not weep tears.You do realize bombs, guns, executions, and torture are not the ways to defeat a religion, correct?If anything, you're only going to strengthen extremist resolve.You're right, determination and longevity of dropping those bombs will defeat a religion. A war until they break their resolve. They sure as hell won't stop if we do. We should bomb them back into whatever stone age they're still stuck in, and then some.Because nobody will mind America committing genocide or try to stop America. Wow. This is just something else. Have you ever met any of these people you hate so much?Once again, somebody has to do the dirty work, and it's often the United States. Let them hate us, but we just freed the modern civilized world from a bunch of terrorism for a long time.
Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 03:05:25 PMQuote from: IcyWind on December 10, 2014, 03:03:23 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 03:02:36 PMQuote from: IcyWind on December 10, 2014, 03:00:29 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 02:59:10 PMThis is about eradication of an extreme and dangerous sect and terrorist ideals.Are we eradicating terrorism, or Islam in general?Cause in either way, bombing countries, committing executions, etc. isn't the correct way to fix either problem.If eliminating Islam is what it takes then I'm all for it. A large faction that stems terrorism will be gone and I will not weep tears.You do realize bombs, guns, executions, and torture are not the ways to defeat a religion, correct?If anything, you're only going to strengthen extremist resolve.You're right, determination and longevity of dropping those bombs will defeat a religion. A war until they break their resolve. They sure as hell won't stop if we do. We should bomb them back into whatever stone age they're still stuck in, and then some.Your understanding of how extremist mentalities work is pretty lacking there m8.You can't break the resolve of lunatics who will and are already quite happy to die in the name of their god. You can let them die off, whilst starving them of recruitment resources.Bombing all of the middle east until it's a glass crater won't actually stop anything, it will radicalise the people who otherwise wouldn't give a shit. You bomb a village to kill 5 jihadis, you kill 5 civilians in the process and that's five more families that will send their sons to fight the west.
You DO realize there are non-Islamic terrorists
Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 03:10:44 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 03:05:12 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 02:59:10 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 02:55:43 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 02:53:40 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 02:48:48 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 02:39:29 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 06:06:48 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:49:27 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:45:43 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:40:23 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:36:17 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:29:50 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:19:47 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:17:00 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:13:14 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:01:40 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 04:59:30 AMQuote from: Brociopath on December 09, 2014, 08:36:04 PMHonestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians. You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that. Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 09, 2014, 09:58:56 PM>Icywind>Being this liberalWhat a surprise. Torture the bastards, I sayYou realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.1. You need proof they did that2. Even if they did, it was for good reasonhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandalshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abusehttp://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/faqs%3A-what-are-ghost-detentions-and-black-siteshttp://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-cia-torture-report-what-you-need-to-know/http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.htmlYou're seriously going to sit there and say torturing children is good and useful?Torture gets shit doneHad you read my links, you jingoistic fucktard, you'd know that it accomplished close to nothing and made our standing in the world even less. Please, explain how torturing a child is useful. I really want to see just how brainwashed and retarded you are.Because that kid is probably already indoctrinated into being a terrorist anyway and could give intel on possible hideouts and movementsAlso>being this mad>throwing out insultsCalm your tits you hippie, I haven't insulted you have I?I'm a hippie because I don't advocate torturing children? You're a fucking monster. You should be thrown into jail. Yeah, I'm sure torturing someone who has been taught to hate America will love America after he gets tortured by Americans. And I'm sure he's smart enough and informed about every plan by AQ. Foolproof. Jesus motherfucking christ. "LETS TORTURE CHILDREN SO THEY WONT BE TERRURISTS HURR DURR FREEDUM"I'm a monster? Or I just view the world for what it really is? Someone has to do the dirty work.But that's my point, if they're taught to hate America it won't matter as is. And I never said they would be informed and know of plans, that sounds stupid. I mean indirect intel. Also, children shouldn't be the primary target since there are individuals of greater value to capture.NO CHILDREN SHOULD BE TORTURED YOU FUCKING PSYCHOWho the fuck were your parents, Nazis? You don't fucking treat children like that. Yes, somebody does have to do the dirty work. Cleaning up this mess the CIA made which accomplished NOTHING. You torture a known terrorist who has killed or orchestrated plans to kill or knows about important targets. You don't harm children.SOMETIMES CHILDREN DO, THOUGH, AND THEIR SACRIFICE IS FOR THE BETTER OF ALLNo, my parents are conservatives who watch Fox News.Some people can't stomach the gritty work that needs to be done to keep the world a little more safe, and this is one of those jobs. Civilian involvement is inevitable. Children don't have any valid information. It's just not even a trustworthy source when it comes to interrogation. How can you be this brainwashed? These were sadistic people who tortured children for fun and to get the parents to talk who were also innocent civilians. There's no fucking excuse. Same difference.This isn't "gritty work", you sheep. A child is not a valid source of information, especially under duress. This is a clear violation of rights and their humanity, and NOTHING was gained from it. Do you understand that? NOTHING WAS GAINED. Will children inevitably get caught in the crossfire of a battle? Yes. Is it inevitable we torture children for absolutely no reason? Absolutely not. There is nothing to gain and nothing was gained. All we did is make more enemies and justify their cause.Children don't need valid information, they could also be used as a method of psychological warfare for the enemy. There are no rules in war, so why try to limit ourselves in our effectiveness? It would let the enemy know, hey, we're not fucking around, you're gonna get fucked.If nothing else then, children can be and should be used in a way to terrorize enemy morale.Yes there are rules in war. There are universal human rights that we as the supposed leaders of the free world shouldn't violate. Thank goodness you're not in any position of power. All you'd do is have America eternally hated by more and more people. You have no idea what you're talking about.Really, now? That's why our enemies completely follow the bullshit rules we've laid out? That's why they torture and kill our POWs, suicide bomb crowds of civilians, behead people while screaming ALLAH AKBAR, and so on and so forth. No, there are no rules, and never should be any guidelines for something as brutal as war. All bets are off and it should be whatever it takes to win, no matter the cost. THAT is war, and THAT is exactly how the terrorists are fighting it. So why aren't we? We should torture all the people we can if it will break their morale, we should parade their broken bodies in the streets. We should have mass executions in towns that hide terror scum so they know we won't fuck around. They want to bomb civilian areas? Then so will we.I know fully well what I'm talking about, I know what war means. Too many people want it to be civilized when it's anything but."Let's stop terrorism and win over our enemies by having mass executions of innocent civilians and torturing children then parading their bodies through the the streets. God Bless America :^)"Who said anything about winning them over? This is about eradication of an extreme and dangerous sect and terrorist ideals. We're not trying to win over anybody, let them hate America all they want if it means we've destroyed their idealistic bullshit once and for all. If it means killing off a huge amount of these crazy bastards, then do it. It's better for everyone in the long run.Eradicating their hatred of America is what will stop them from attacking the West. Making them hate us more by killing innocent people will only justify their cause. They'll have won completely. You don't destroy a fucked up ideology by senseless killing, you show them why they're wrong. You defend yourself in the meanwhile, but you don't kill civilians. Get that through your head.They will never stop hating America. Also, I fail to see how they've have won "completely" just by us using methods that need to be used. It's like finding a blown in half terrorist about to die in the street, waving his arm angrily at us saying "Ha, jokes on you, we won!". Really? Tell that to the other half of your body, you're dead and so is your culture. Bombed to nonexistence.Honestly, that might need to be done. We should probably just bomb whole areas to rubble and craters. A couple nukes in the East might do the trick just like it did to Japan.The terrorists have already defeated you. You've become so full of fear and hatred that you advocate doing the same shit we've sworn to stop. Who are you to tell them not to throw acid in the face of a little girl when you would gladly torture and kill children? You're a lost cause.
Quote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 03:05:12 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 02:59:10 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 02:55:43 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 02:53:40 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 02:48:48 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 02:39:29 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 06:06:48 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:49:27 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:45:43 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:40:23 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:36:17 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:29:50 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:19:47 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:17:00 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:13:14 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:01:40 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 04:59:30 AMQuote from: Brociopath on December 09, 2014, 08:36:04 PMHonestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians. You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that. Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 09, 2014, 09:58:56 PM>Icywind>Being this liberalWhat a surprise. Torture the bastards, I sayYou realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.1. You need proof they did that2. Even if they did, it was for good reasonhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandalshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abusehttp://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/faqs%3A-what-are-ghost-detentions-and-black-siteshttp://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-cia-torture-report-what-you-need-to-know/http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.htmlYou're seriously going to sit there and say torturing children is good and useful?Torture gets shit doneHad you read my links, you jingoistic fucktard, you'd know that it accomplished close to nothing and made our standing in the world even less. Please, explain how torturing a child is useful. I really want to see just how brainwashed and retarded you are.Because that kid is probably already indoctrinated into being a terrorist anyway and could give intel on possible hideouts and movementsAlso>being this mad>throwing out insultsCalm your tits you hippie, I haven't insulted you have I?I'm a hippie because I don't advocate torturing children? You're a fucking monster. You should be thrown into jail. Yeah, I'm sure torturing someone who has been taught to hate America will love America after he gets tortured by Americans. And I'm sure he's smart enough and informed about every plan by AQ. Foolproof. Jesus motherfucking christ. "LETS TORTURE CHILDREN SO THEY WONT BE TERRURISTS HURR DURR FREEDUM"I'm a monster? Or I just view the world for what it really is? Someone has to do the dirty work.But that's my point, if they're taught to hate America it won't matter as is. And I never said they would be informed and know of plans, that sounds stupid. I mean indirect intel. Also, children shouldn't be the primary target since there are individuals of greater value to capture.NO CHILDREN SHOULD BE TORTURED YOU FUCKING PSYCHOWho the fuck were your parents, Nazis? You don't fucking treat children like that. Yes, somebody does have to do the dirty work. Cleaning up this mess the CIA made which accomplished NOTHING. You torture a known terrorist who has killed or orchestrated plans to kill or knows about important targets. You don't harm children.SOMETIMES CHILDREN DO, THOUGH, AND THEIR SACRIFICE IS FOR THE BETTER OF ALLNo, my parents are conservatives who watch Fox News.Some people can't stomach the gritty work that needs to be done to keep the world a little more safe, and this is one of those jobs. Civilian involvement is inevitable. Children don't have any valid information. It's just not even a trustworthy source when it comes to interrogation. How can you be this brainwashed? These were sadistic people who tortured children for fun and to get the parents to talk who were also innocent civilians. There's no fucking excuse. Same difference.This isn't "gritty work", you sheep. A child is not a valid source of information, especially under duress. This is a clear violation of rights and their humanity, and NOTHING was gained from it. Do you understand that? NOTHING WAS GAINED. Will children inevitably get caught in the crossfire of a battle? Yes. Is it inevitable we torture children for absolutely no reason? Absolutely not. There is nothing to gain and nothing was gained. All we did is make more enemies and justify their cause.Children don't need valid information, they could also be used as a method of psychological warfare for the enemy. There are no rules in war, so why try to limit ourselves in our effectiveness? It would let the enemy know, hey, we're not fucking around, you're gonna get fucked.If nothing else then, children can be and should be used in a way to terrorize enemy morale.Yes there are rules in war. There are universal human rights that we as the supposed leaders of the free world shouldn't violate. Thank goodness you're not in any position of power. All you'd do is have America eternally hated by more and more people. You have no idea what you're talking about.Really, now? That's why our enemies completely follow the bullshit rules we've laid out? That's why they torture and kill our POWs, suicide bomb crowds of civilians, behead people while screaming ALLAH AKBAR, and so on and so forth. No, there are no rules, and never should be any guidelines for something as brutal as war. All bets are off and it should be whatever it takes to win, no matter the cost. THAT is war, and THAT is exactly how the terrorists are fighting it. So why aren't we? We should torture all the people we can if it will break their morale, we should parade their broken bodies in the streets. We should have mass executions in towns that hide terror scum so they know we won't fuck around. They want to bomb civilian areas? Then so will we.I know fully well what I'm talking about, I know what war means. Too many people want it to be civilized when it's anything but."Let's stop terrorism and win over our enemies by having mass executions of innocent civilians and torturing children then parading their bodies through the the streets. God Bless America :^)"Who said anything about winning them over? This is about eradication of an extreme and dangerous sect and terrorist ideals. We're not trying to win over anybody, let them hate America all they want if it means we've destroyed their idealistic bullshit once and for all. If it means killing off a huge amount of these crazy bastards, then do it. It's better for everyone in the long run.Eradicating their hatred of America is what will stop them from attacking the West. Making them hate us more by killing innocent people will only justify their cause. They'll have won completely. You don't destroy a fucked up ideology by senseless killing, you show them why they're wrong. You defend yourself in the meanwhile, but you don't kill civilians. Get that through your head.They will never stop hating America. Also, I fail to see how they've have won "completely" just by us using methods that need to be used. It's like finding a blown in half terrorist about to die in the street, waving his arm angrily at us saying "Ha, jokes on you, we won!". Really? Tell that to the other half of your body, you're dead and so is your culture. Bombed to nonexistence.Honestly, that might need to be done. We should probably just bomb whole areas to rubble and craters. A couple nukes in the East might do the trick just like it did to Japan.
Quote from: IcyWind on December 10, 2014, 03:15:16 PMYou DO realize there are non-Islamic terroristsAnd most of them small and irrelevant.
Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 03:17:29 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 03:14:04 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 03:10:44 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 03:05:12 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 02:59:10 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 02:55:43 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 02:53:40 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 02:48:48 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 02:39:29 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 06:06:48 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:49:27 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:45:43 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:40:23 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:36:17 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:29:50 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:19:47 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:17:00 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:13:14 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:01:40 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 04:59:30 AMQuote from: Brociopath on December 09, 2014, 08:36:04 PMHonestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians. You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that. Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 09, 2014, 09:58:56 PM>Icywind>Being this liberalWhat a surprise. Torture the bastards, I sayYou realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.1. You need proof they did that2. Even if they did, it was for good reasonhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandalshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abusehttp://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/faqs%3A-what-are-ghost-detentions-and-black-siteshttp://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-cia-torture-report-what-you-need-to-know/http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.htmlYou're seriously going to sit there and say torturing children is good and useful?Torture gets shit doneHad you read my links, you jingoistic fucktard, you'd know that it accomplished close to nothing and made our standing in the world even less. Please, explain how torturing a child is useful. I really want to see just how brainwashed and retarded you are.Because that kid is probably already indoctrinated into being a terrorist anyway and could give intel on possible hideouts and movementsAlso>being this mad>throwing out insultsCalm your tits you hippie, I haven't insulted you have I?I'm a hippie because I don't advocate torturing children? You're a fucking monster. You should be thrown into jail. Yeah, I'm sure torturing someone who has been taught to hate America will love America after he gets tortured by Americans. And I'm sure he's smart enough and informed about every plan by AQ. Foolproof. Jesus motherfucking christ. "LETS TORTURE CHILDREN SO THEY WONT BE TERRURISTS HURR DURR FREEDUM"I'm a monster? Or I just view the world for what it really is? Someone has to do the dirty work.But that's my point, if they're taught to hate America it won't matter as is. And I never said they would be informed and know of plans, that sounds stupid. I mean indirect intel. Also, children shouldn't be the primary target since there are individuals of greater value to capture.NO CHILDREN SHOULD BE TORTURED YOU FUCKING PSYCHOWho the fuck were your parents, Nazis? You don't fucking treat children like that. Yes, somebody does have to do the dirty work. Cleaning up this mess the CIA made which accomplished NOTHING. You torture a known terrorist who has killed or orchestrated plans to kill or knows about important targets. You don't harm children.SOMETIMES CHILDREN DO, THOUGH, AND THEIR SACRIFICE IS FOR THE BETTER OF ALLNo, my parents are conservatives who watch Fox News.Some people can't stomach the gritty work that needs to be done to keep the world a little more safe, and this is one of those jobs. Civilian involvement is inevitable. Children don't have any valid information. It's just not even a trustworthy source when it comes to interrogation. How can you be this brainwashed? These were sadistic people who tortured children for fun and to get the parents to talk who were also innocent civilians. There's no fucking excuse. Same difference.This isn't "gritty work", you sheep. A child is not a valid source of information, especially under duress. This is a clear violation of rights and their humanity, and NOTHING was gained from it. Do you understand that? NOTHING WAS GAINED. Will children inevitably get caught in the crossfire of a battle? Yes. Is it inevitable we torture children for absolutely no reason? Absolutely not. There is nothing to gain and nothing was gained. All we did is make more enemies and justify their cause.Children don't need valid information, they could also be used as a method of psychological warfare for the enemy. There are no rules in war, so why try to limit ourselves in our effectiveness? It would let the enemy know, hey, we're not fucking around, you're gonna get fucked.If nothing else then, children can be and should be used in a way to terrorize enemy morale.Yes there are rules in war. There are universal human rights that we as the supposed leaders of the free world shouldn't violate. Thank goodness you're not in any position of power. All you'd do is have America eternally hated by more and more people. You have no idea what you're talking about.Really, now? That's why our enemies completely follow the bullshit rules we've laid out? That's why they torture and kill our POWs, suicide bomb crowds of civilians, behead people while screaming ALLAH AKBAR, and so on and so forth. No, there are no rules, and never should be any guidelines for something as brutal as war. All bets are off and it should be whatever it takes to win, no matter the cost. THAT is war, and THAT is exactly how the terrorists are fighting it. So why aren't we? We should torture all the people we can if it will break their morale, we should parade their broken bodies in the streets. We should have mass executions in towns that hide terror scum so they know we won't fuck around. They want to bomb civilian areas? Then so will we.I know fully well what I'm talking about, I know what war means. Too many people want it to be civilized when it's anything but."Let's stop terrorism and win over our enemies by having mass executions of innocent civilians and torturing children then parading their bodies through the the streets. God Bless America :^)"Who said anything about winning them over? This is about eradication of an extreme and dangerous sect and terrorist ideals. We're not trying to win over anybody, let them hate America all they want if it means we've destroyed their idealistic bullshit once and for all. If it means killing off a huge amount of these crazy bastards, then do it. It's better for everyone in the long run.Eradicating their hatred of America is what will stop them from attacking the West. Making them hate us more by killing innocent people will only justify their cause. They'll have won completely. You don't destroy a fucked up ideology by senseless killing, you show them why they're wrong. You defend yourself in the meanwhile, but you don't kill civilians. Get that through your head.They will never stop hating America. Also, I fail to see how they've have won "completely" just by us using methods that need to be used. It's like finding a blown in half terrorist about to die in the street, waving his arm angrily at us saying "Ha, jokes on you, we won!". Really? Tell that to the other half of your body, you're dead and so is your culture. Bombed to nonexistence.Honestly, that might need to be done. We should probably just bomb whole areas to rubble and craters. A couple nukes in the East might do the trick just like it did to Japan.The terrorists have already defeated you. You've become so full of fear and hatred that you advocate doing the same shit we've sworn to stop. Who are you to tell them not to throw acid in the face of a little girl when you would gladly torture and kill children? You're a lost cause.No, I'm a successful troll. Jesus, I can't believe I could take it as far as claiming genocide is needed without being called out. You guys are funny.
Quote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 03:14:04 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 03:10:44 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 03:05:12 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 02:59:10 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 02:55:43 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 02:53:40 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 02:48:48 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 02:39:29 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 06:06:48 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:49:27 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:45:43 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:40:23 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:36:17 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:29:50 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:19:47 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:17:00 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 05:13:14 AMQuote from: aTALLmidget on December 10, 2014, 05:01:40 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 10, 2014, 04:59:30 AMQuote from: Brociopath on December 09, 2014, 08:36:04 PMHonestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians. You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that. Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 09, 2014, 09:58:56 PM>Icywind>Being this liberalWhat a surprise. Torture the bastards, I sayYou realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.1. You need proof they did that2. Even if they did, it was for good reasonhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandalshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abusehttp://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/faqs%3A-what-are-ghost-detentions-and-black-siteshttp://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-cia-torture-report-what-you-need-to-know/http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.htmlYou're seriously going to sit there and say torturing children is good and useful?Torture gets shit doneHad you read my links, you jingoistic fucktard, you'd know that it accomplished close to nothing and made our standing in the world even less. Please, explain how torturing a child is useful. I really want to see just how brainwashed and retarded you are.Because that kid is probably already indoctrinated into being a terrorist anyway and could give intel on possible hideouts and movementsAlso>being this mad>throwing out insultsCalm your tits you hippie, I haven't insulted you have I?I'm a hippie because I don't advocate torturing children? You're a fucking monster. You should be thrown into jail. Yeah, I'm sure torturing someone who has been taught to hate America will love America after he gets tortured by Americans. And I'm sure he's smart enough and informed about every plan by AQ. Foolproof. Jesus motherfucking christ. "LETS TORTURE CHILDREN SO THEY WONT BE TERRURISTS HURR DURR FREEDUM"I'm a monster? Or I just view the world for what it really is? Someone has to do the dirty work.But that's my point, if they're taught to hate America it won't matter as is. And I never said they would be informed and know of plans, that sounds stupid. I mean indirect intel. Also, children shouldn't be the primary target since there are individuals of greater value to capture.NO CHILDREN SHOULD BE TORTURED YOU FUCKING PSYCHOWho the fuck were your parents, Nazis? You don't fucking treat children like that. Yes, somebody does have to do the dirty work. Cleaning up this mess the CIA made which accomplished NOTHING. You torture a known terrorist who has killed or orchestrated plans to kill or knows about important targets. You don't harm children.SOMETIMES CHILDREN DO, THOUGH, AND THEIR SACRIFICE IS FOR THE BETTER OF ALLNo, my parents are conservatives who watch Fox News.Some people can't stomach the gritty work that needs to be done to keep the world a little more safe, and this is one of those jobs. Civilian involvement is inevitable. Children don't have any valid information. It's just not even a trustworthy source when it comes to interrogation. How can you be this brainwashed? These were sadistic people who tortured children for fun and to get the parents to talk who were also innocent civilians. There's no fucking excuse. Same difference.This isn't "gritty work", you sheep. A child is not a valid source of information, especially under duress. This is a clear violation of rights and their humanity, and NOTHING was gained from it. Do you understand that? NOTHING WAS GAINED. Will children inevitably get caught in the crossfire of a battle? Yes. Is it inevitable we torture children for absolutely no reason? Absolutely not. There is nothing to gain and nothing was gained. All we did is make more enemies and justify their cause.Children don't need valid information, they could also be used as a method of psychological warfare for the enemy. There are no rules in war, so why try to limit ourselves in our effectiveness? It would let the enemy know, hey, we're not fucking around, you're gonna get fucked.If nothing else then, children can be and should be used in a way to terrorize enemy morale.Yes there are rules in war. There are universal human rights that we as the supposed leaders of the free world shouldn't violate. Thank goodness you're not in any position of power. All you'd do is have America eternally hated by more and more people. You have no idea what you're talking about.Really, now? That's why our enemies completely follow the bullshit rules we've laid out? That's why they torture and kill our POWs, suicide bomb crowds of civilians, behead people while screaming ALLAH AKBAR, and so on and so forth. No, there are no rules, and never should be any guidelines for something as brutal as war. All bets are off and it should be whatever it takes to win, no matter the cost. THAT is war, and THAT is exactly how the terrorists are fighting it. So why aren't we? We should torture all the people we can if it will break their morale, we should parade their broken bodies in the streets. We should have mass executions in towns that hide terror scum so they know we won't fuck around. They want to bomb civilian areas? Then so will we.I know fully well what I'm talking about, I know what war means. Too many people want it to be civilized when it's anything but."Let's stop terrorism and win over our enemies by having mass executions of innocent civilians and torturing children then parading their bodies through the the streets. God Bless America :^)"Who said anything about winning them over? This is about eradication of an extreme and dangerous sect and terrorist ideals. We're not trying to win over anybody, let them hate America all they want if it means we've destroyed their idealistic bullshit once and for all. If it means killing off a huge amount of these crazy bastards, then do it. It's better for everyone in the long run.Eradicating their hatred of America is what will stop them from attacking the West. Making them hate us more by killing innocent people will only justify their cause. They'll have won completely. You don't destroy a fucked up ideology by senseless killing, you show them why they're wrong. You defend yourself in the meanwhile, but you don't kill civilians. Get that through your head.They will never stop hating America. Also, I fail to see how they've have won "completely" just by us using methods that need to be used. It's like finding a blown in half terrorist about to die in the street, waving his arm angrily at us saying "Ha, jokes on you, we won!". Really? Tell that to the other half of your body, you're dead and so is your culture. Bombed to nonexistence.Honestly, that might need to be done. We should probably just bomb whole areas to rubble and craters. A couple nukes in the East might do the trick just like it did to Japan.The terrorists have already defeated you. You've become so full of fear and hatred that you advocate doing the same shit we've sworn to stop. Who are you to tell them not to throw acid in the face of a little girl when you would gladly torture and kill children? You're a lost cause.No, I'm a successful troll. Jesus, I can't believe I could take it as far as claiming genocide is needed without being called out. You guys are funny.
"CIA Misled Public, President Bush on Torture" - Senate Report Released
