How about you don't let the innocent man go to jail in the first place.
Quote from: Korra on April 24, 2016, 09:33:37 PMHow about you don't let the innocent man go to jail in the first place.well, the question being asked is basically, would you rather incarcerate 100 criminals and 1 innocent person, or let all those 100 criminals go freelet's say they're all pedophile rapist murder mega hitlers
Quote from: Josh55886 on April 24, 2016, 08:00:00 PMCan't say I agree. It would depend. I'm not letting a bunch of murderers go to save one person. If you ask me. With the large amount of prisoners in the US, there's a way to save us all time, space, and money. It's harsh, but people would get used to it. I want prisons to line up all the people they have convicted of murder out in the prison yard. I don't care if it's a line of 100 people. Put a bullet in their heads, all of them. Problem solved. If you're a murderer you don't deserve to live. Fuck getting 10 years or some life sentence. No. A life for a life.And how did you come to this conclusion?
Can't say I agree. It would depend. I'm not letting a bunch of murderers go to save one person. If you ask me. With the large amount of prisoners in the US, there's a way to save us all time, space, and money. It's harsh, but people would get used to it. I want prisons to line up all the people they have convicted of murder out in the prison yard. I don't care if it's a line of 100 people. Put a bullet in their heads, all of them. Problem solved. If you're a murderer you don't deserve to live. Fuck getting 10 years or some life sentence. No. A life for a life.
Quote from: challengerX on April 25, 2016, 05:12:33 AMQuote from: Josh55886 on April 24, 2016, 08:00:00 PMCan't say I agree. It would depend. I'm not letting a bunch of murderers go to save one person. If you ask me. With the large amount of prisoners in the US, there's a way to save us all time, space, and money. It's harsh, but people would get used to it. I want prisons to line up all the people they have convicted of murder out in the prison yard. I don't care if it's a line of 100 people. Put a bullet in their heads, all of them. Problem solved. If you're a murderer you don't deserve to live. Fuck getting 10 years or some life sentence. No. A life for a life.And how did you come to this conclusion?It's just what I think. Having thousands of murderers living in prison is a waste of time, money, and space. It's as simple as that. Do the world a favor and get rid of them.
Homeless people are a waste of space, they just eat, drink, and tarnish our poverty statistics. Let's kill them all!Utilitarianists are retarded.
Quote from: ALIE on April 25, 2016, 03:47:33 PMHomeless people are a waste of space, they just eat, drink, and tarnish our poverty statistics. Let's kill them all!Utilitarianists are retarded.If they really caused sufficient harm to society to outweigh the impact of taking a life, which they don't, which is why you don't think that's a good idea. For comparison, how do you feel about the morality of killing an enemy combatant in the middle of a firefight on the front line of a war? How about assisted suicide for the suffering and terminally ill? If you think it's okay to kill someone in either of those two cases you obviously don't agree with a universal maxim against killing.Sweeping moral ultimatums (such as: we must never ever under any circumstances convict an innocent person) sound nice but become pretty useless when almost any pair of them can be made to contradict each other. They're useful as heuristics but the underlying sentiments they embody have a utilitarian basis. (or they were just bogus to begin with, looking at you 'homosexuality is a sin!' et al)
I don't have a universal maxim against killing, I have one against murder. Killing someone in self-defense or who has a desire to be killed isn't murder. Killing a prisoner or someone on their knees, who doesn't want to die, is.
Quote from: Baha on April 25, 2016, 05:38:13 PMQuote from: ALIE on April 25, 2016, 03:47:33 PMHomeless people are a waste of space, they just eat, drink, and tarnish our poverty statistics. Let's kill them all!Utilitarianists are retarded.If they really caused sufficient harm to society to outweigh the impact of taking a life, which they don't, which is why you don't think that's a good idea. For comparison, how do you feel about the morality of killing an enemy combatant in the middle of a firefight on the front line of a war? How about assisted suicide for the suffering and terminally ill? If you think it's okay to kill someone in either of those two cases you obviously don't agree with a universal maxim against killing.Sweeping moral ultimatums (such as: we must never ever under any circumstances convict an innocent person) sound nice but become pretty useless when almost any pair of them can be made to contradict each other. They're useful as heuristics but the underlying sentiments they embody have a utilitarian basis. (or they were just bogus to begin with, looking at you 'homosexuality is a sin!' et al)I don't have a universal maxim against killing, I have one against murder. Killing someone in self-defense or who has a desire to be killed isn't murder. Killing a prisoner or someone on their knees, who doesn't want to die, is.
Quote from: ALIE on April 25, 2016, 05:50:17 PMI don't have a universal maxim against killing, I have one against murder. Killing someone in self-defense or who has a desire to be killed isn't murder. Killing a prisoner or someone on their knees, who doesn't want to die, is.How did you come to these conclusions if you think doing so by weighing the consequences of the same action in those different situations is the wrong way to do it?
Quote from: Baha on April 25, 2016, 06:07:33 PMQuote from: ALIE on April 25, 2016, 05:50:17 PMI don't have a universal maxim against killing, I have one against murder. Killing someone in self-defense or who has a desire to be killed isn't murder. Killing a prisoner or someone on their knees, who doesn't want to die, is.How did you come to these conclusions if you think doing so by weighing the consequences of the same action in those different situations is the wrong way to do it?Consequences don't matter, the act itself matters. In wartime combat and self-assisted suicide, there's consent involved. You sign up for the military, knowing and expecting that you might get shot. You ask a doctor to kill you, knowing you'll die.With people on death row, there's no consent. They don't want to die, and they're not in a position where it's life or death. The executioner, the government, doesn't have their life in danger and are forced to kill the prisoner like a soldier is with the enemy.
Quote from: ALIE on April 25, 2016, 06:41:19 PMQuote from: Baha on April 25, 2016, 06:07:33 PMQuote from: ALIE on April 25, 2016, 05:50:17 PMI don't have a universal maxim against killing, I have one against murder. Killing someone in self-defense or who has a desire to be killed isn't murder. Killing a prisoner or someone on their knees, who doesn't want to die, is.How did you come to these conclusions if you think doing so by weighing the consequences of the same action in those different situations is the wrong way to do it?Consequences don't matter, the act itself matters. In wartime combat and self-assisted suicide, there's consent involved. You sign up for the military, knowing and expecting that you might get shot. You ask a doctor to kill you, knowing you'll die.With people on death row, there's no consent. They don't want to die, and they're not in a position where it's life or death. The executioner, the government, doesn't have their life in danger and are forced to kill the prisoner like a soldier is with the enemy.It's great isn't it? Ridding the world of one scum at a time. Just too slowly and too picky about who to do it to. Euthanasia should be saved for other things. A bullet to the head for the prisoner is all their worth.
Quote from: Josh55886 on April 25, 2016, 06:53:16 PMQuote from: ALIE on April 25, 2016, 06:41:19 PMQuote from: Baha on April 25, 2016, 06:07:33 PMQuote from: ALIE on April 25, 2016, 05:50:17 PMI don't have a universal maxim against killing, I have one against murder. Killing someone in self-defense or who has a desire to be killed isn't murder. Killing a prisoner or someone on their knees, who doesn't want to die, is.How did you come to these conclusions if you think doing so by weighing the consequences of the same action in those different situations is the wrong way to do it?Consequences don't matter, the act itself matters. In wartime combat and self-assisted suicide, there's consent involved. You sign up for the military, knowing and expecting that you might get shot. You ask a doctor to kill you, knowing you'll die.With people on death row, there's no consent. They don't want to die, and they're not in a position where it's life or death. The executioner, the government, doesn't have their life in danger and are forced to kill the prisoner like a soldier is with the enemy.It's great isn't it? Ridding the world of one scum at a time. Just too slowly and too picky about who to do it to. Euthanasia should be saved for other things. A bullet to the head for the prisoner is all their worth.People like you need to stop playing video games. Every life is valuable, and the volition of the life is what gives it meaning. No one has the obligation to live, but no one has the obligation to die.
I completely agree that every life is valuable. Which is why prisoners convicted of murder should have theirs taken away. It really is doing the world a favor, no matter how bad that sounds.
Quote from: Josh55886 on April 25, 2016, 07:00:26 PMI completely agree that every life is valuable. Which is why prisoners convicted of murder should have theirs taken away. It really is doing the world a favor, no matter how bad that sounds."I agree that every life is valuable, that's why I condone ending lives."Just because the murderer disagrees that every life is valuable doesn't mean that they aren't.
Quote from: ALIE on April 25, 2016, 07:02:20 PMQuote from: Josh55886 on April 25, 2016, 07:00:26 PMI completely agree that every life is valuable. Which is why prisoners convicted of murder should have theirs taken away. It really is doing the world a favor, no matter how bad that sounds."I agree that every life is valuable, that's why I condone ending lives."Just because the murderer disagrees that every life is valuable doesn't mean that they aren't.Okay give me a reason to let them live other than that their life is valuable. (lol) Their life value dropped to zero the moment they kill an innocent person.
Quote from: Josh55886 on April 25, 2016, 07:08:59 PMQuote from: ALIE on April 25, 2016, 07:02:20 PMQuote from: Josh55886 on April 25, 2016, 07:00:26 PMI completely agree that every life is valuable. Which is why prisoners convicted of murder should have theirs taken away. It really is doing the world a favor, no matter how bad that sounds."I agree that every life is valuable, that's why I condone ending lives."Just because the murderer disagrees that every life is valuable doesn't mean that they aren't.Okay give me a reason to let them live other than that their life is valuable. (lol) Their life value dropped to zero the moment they kill an innocent person.Because the government is not in the business of killing people when there are other options.
What options? Like let them live off tax payer money till death in a cell? The government isn't in that business. But they should be.
Quote from: Josh55886 on April 25, 2016, 07:14:05 PMWhat options? Like let them live off tax payer money till death in a cell? The government isn't in that business. But they should be.As opposed to murder? Of course. And you know that you can put prisoners to work. They can more than pay off the cost of a 10x10 square foot cell, food, and water.
Consequences don't matter, the act itself matters.
Their life value dropped to zero the moment they kill an innocent person.
Quote from: Josh55886 on April 25, 2016, 07:08:59 PMTheir life value dropped to zero the moment they kill an innocent person.nobadlife has value
Quote from: Baha on April 25, 2016, 07:22:07 PMQuote from: Josh55886 on April 25, 2016, 07:08:59 PMTheir life value dropped to zero the moment they kill an innocent person.nobadlife has valueFeel free to explain.
Quote from: Josh55886 on April 25, 2016, 07:24:26 PMQuote from: Baha on April 25, 2016, 07:22:07 PMQuote from: Josh55886 on April 25, 2016, 07:08:59 PMTheir life value dropped to zero the moment they kill an innocent person.nobadlife has valueFeel free to explain.Suffering is suffering no matter who is suffering. We should try to minimize the suffering in the world. In so far as we choose to inflict suffering it should be with the reasonable belief that our actions are justified by mitigating suffering in some other way.
"Better to let 100 guilty men go free than to condemn one innocent person"
