So is loli allowed on anarchy?

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Do you really want a forum moderated by opinion rather by actual, fair and equal moderation? Think again that the same thing can apply to anything besides loli.

Why would you even want to post cartoon kid porn? That is fracked up.
That's what I've been saying for the past month, but everyone calls me a troll for saying it.
If it was me I would outright ban it, that shit is gross.

I think it should be banned because of the possible legal shit it can cause. It's being looked at in more detail because of the possible legal implications, not because certain members think it's gross. :)


 
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That statement was directed to people who support the banning of the content based on opinion, rather than the issue at hand; the possibility of it being illegal in certain countries. Otherwise, I would have phrased that differently.

I think it should be banned because of the possible legal shit it can cause. It's being looked at in more detail because of the possible legal implications, not because certain members think it's gross. :)
Last Edit: October 05, 2014, 04:29:05 PM by Isara


 
 
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If that's the case then link the sources?

It's no possibiliy, it's an objective fact. Canada, Australia, Belgium, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden and the UK are only a handful of examples of places where it is illegal.


 
 
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Italy's out
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Therefore, lolicon, shotacon, and cartoon pornography in general are not included.

Netherlands is out, too, but needs a proper citation
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In a recent case, after viewing the images in question, which were fully drawn at a computer, the court opined that the virtual child pornography images not in the sense of criminal law.

Norway can be, but hasn't been applied
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This law can be used against lolicon but it has not been tried in that aspect yet.

The US is varying

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However, laws regulating lolicon and shotacon differs between states; several states have laws that explicitly prohibit cartoon pornography and similar depictions (such as video games in the state of New Jersey), while others usually have only vague laws on such content; in some states, such as California, such depictions specifically do not fall under state child pornography laws,

Therefore, it's not completely illegal in all the countries you have said in a complete manner. The only one who I can see easily are Canada, UK and Australia. So, it really depends on where the server is hosted, rather than the users.

My personal source is my degree in law, but sure.
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I agree with your points. I just wanted to ensure that a logical argument such as this one is used as a reason to ban such content, rather than opinion alone.

And Belgium, NZ, Poland, more or less Sweden, France...

It is true that for Cheat and the forum itself, it is the location of the server that matters. But by hosting content that is illegal in a whole bunch of other countries, including the UK and Australia, you are effectively endangering people from those countries, as they could potentially be prosecuted for simply coming here and having pictures stored in their browser's cache. Keeping in mind that we have pretty big plans for this forum, as discussed in the thread about Septagon's future, it seems like we'd be better off banning these pictures rather than openly allowing content that is illegal in the two countries (the US aside, of course) that provide the most members, being the UK and Australia.

If we want to expand and ultimately become a larger forum with a continuous stream of quality content, hosting images showing drawn child pornography that are both morally disgusting to most and downright illegal for some, just seems like a terrible idea for publicity and our image.


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Lolis are stupid.


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In the US it's still possible to be prosecuted if said lolis are found to be engaged in acts that would be deemed obscene by a jury.
You would think a law that can ruin your life would be made a little more clear. Wouldn't "obscene" be something as innocent as the character masturbating or having sex?


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Our servers are in the US, and so (as far as I can tell from looking it up) it is not illegal, so long as the content is not photographs/actual depictions of a real child.

So yeah, it's allowed in Anarchy.
Well there ya have it, folks. Cartoon kiddies getting railed by the elderly is allowed. You're welcome.


 
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Hmm...
Our servers are in the US, and so (as far as I can tell from looking it up) it is not illegal, so long as the content is not photographs/actual depictions of a real child.

So yeah, it's allowed in Anarchy.
Well there ya have it, folks. Cartoon kiddies getting railed by the elderly is allowed. You're welcome.
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Yeah, I just looked up a few more sources and it's a grey area.

I'm going to go ahead and ban outright it from Anarchy for the rest of this round, to be safe. We will check it out in greater detail before next month.


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just seems like a terrible idea for publicity and our image.
It is. Cam's booty threads are one thing, but down right cartoon child porn is completely different. To the new users or users that know about this site it would make us seem like we're nothing but pedophiles and perverts. If it was up to me I say any type of porn(Besides nudes and half.) should be banned. We should try to make this site as classy as we can.


 
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Instead of dwelling into details such as these. I'd rather suggest that all NSFW threads and images to be properly tagged, and such images always put into spoilers. Regardless of the shown gender, pose, and content as long it doesn't touch illegal or grey-area things such as loli.

It is. Cam's booty threads are one thing, but down right cartoon child porn is completely different. To the new users or users that know about this site it would make us seem like we're nothing but pedophiles and perverts. If it was up to me I say any type of porn(Besides nudes and half.) should be banned. We should try to make this site as classy as we can.


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@BerzerkCommando (sorry cant quote on mobile), I don't think personal nudes should be allowed either, there are too many under 18s and whats to stop people lying about their age? I heard something similar happened a while ago on bnet and the police were involved, I dont want this site attracting any kind of negative attention that could get it shut down


 
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Inherently doubting that our community has such a large number of exhibitionists, the legal issue can be easily solved by a proper user agreement to reflect on 18+ content submission, viewing and so forth. With proper moderation, it shouldn't be an issue.

@BerzerkCommando (sorry cant quote on mobile), I don't think personal nudes should be allowed either, there are too many under 18s and whats to stop people lying about their age? I heard something similar happened a while ago on bnet and the police were involved, I dont want this site attracting any kind of negative attention that could get it shut down