So is loli allowed on anarchy?

Chakas · October 05, 2014, 12:39:39 AM

T4R. Lolicon ans its variations are legal in the U.S., so I figured it was okay, but last time it was posted, the whole thread was deleted. I was wondering if it was okay to post now without the whole thread being nuked like last time.

Magos Domina · October 05, 2014, 12:40:26 AM

In a word, no.

Chakas · October 05, 2014, 12:48:40 AM

Quote from: Kiyohime on October 05, 2014, 12:40:26 AM

In a word, no.

Why not? Is it in the rules?

big sponge · October 05, 2014, 02:08:34 AM

Quote from: Kiyohime on October 05, 2014, 12:40:26 AM

In a word, no.

Loli is not child porn, just saying.

Cheat · October 05, 2014, 02:10:42 AM

If it's not illegal, then it's allowed.

Better be sure, though.

Isara · October 05, 2014, 06:03:32 AM

Cheat, that is the very issue. For example, in Canada and Britain, it might be interpreted as illegal in certain cases. However, that does not apply for the US and Greece. Which legal system should we actually abide to? The answer clearly shouldn't be our own, since we have this kind of silly differences.

Quote from: Cheat on October 05, 2014, 02:10:42 AM

If it's not illegal, then it's allowed.

Chakas · October 05, 2014, 07:24:56 AM

Quote from: Isara on October 05, 2014, 06:03:32 AM

Cheat, that is the very issue. For example, in Canada and Britain, it might be interpreted as illegal in certain cases. However, that does not apply for the US and Greece. Which legal system should we actually abide to? The answer clearly shouldn't be our own, since we have this kind of silly differences.

Quote from: Cheat on October 05, 2014, 02:10:42 AM
If it's not illegal, then it's allowed.

This one pretty much sums up what I have to say. I wish people would give straight answers when it cvomes to this subject and not get all butthurt about it. If I can post a severed penis, I want to be able to post a couple jimmy rustling drawings.

Chakas · October 05, 2014, 07:25:59 AM

Quote from: Lord Commissar on October 05, 2014, 02:08:34 AM

Quote from: Kiyohime on October 05, 2014, 12:40:26 AM
In a word, no.

Loli is not child porn, just saying.

We should ban it so the paper the pictures are drawn on aren't hurt anymore.

Isara · October 05, 2014, 07:33:28 AM

On a personal level it's hilarious how people pointed at the exhibitionist "show your dicks guys!" thread as illegal of sorts, but nobody raised their tone for the "babe" and the hentai thread. I don't want to imply something silly, since it's just our little community here, but if we become to accept nude drawn characters, ladies and such media then why is the line drawn at exhibitionism?

Quote from: Chakas on October 05, 2014, 07:24:56 AM

This one pretty much sums up what I have to say. I wish people would give straight answers when it cvomes to this subject and not get all butthurt about it. If I can post a severed penis, I want to be able to post a couple jimmy rustling drawings.

Aether · October 05, 2014, 08:13:16 AM

Quote from: Isara on October 05, 2014, 07:33:28 AM

On a personal level it's hilarious how people pointed at the exhibitionist "show your dicks guys!" thread as illegal of sorts, but nobody raised their tone for the "babe" and the hentai thread. I don't want to imply something silly, since it's just our little community here, but if we become to accept nude drawn characters, ladies and such media then why is the line drawn at exhibitionism?

Did that thread actually mean for members to post their own nudes?

Members posting nudes of themselves cannot be selectively regulated. There's no way to actually know 100% that any given member is at least 18. Personal nudes just shouldn't be allowed, period.

Cartoon porn isn't an actual person, and just about any 'real' porn found anywhere outside of the deep web is going to have adults.

Isara · October 05, 2014, 08:17:02 AM

The thread maybe didn't expect for someone to fulfill the request, but it was fulfilled nonetheless. If there must be a rule when it comes to personal exhibition then it must be said. However, that is contradictory with the philosophy of anarchy.

Instead, I do propose that an agreement must appear the first time a user visits Anarchy, confirming that they are at least 18 years old or the appropriate age of maturity is in their country, and from there on it's their own issue to handle as far we are concerned with legality. Wherever there's an actual suspicion then the staff can easily go, remove the content, and whatever else must be done.

Quote from: DemonicChronic on October 05, 2014, 08:13:16 AM

Did that thread actually mean for members to post their own nudes?

Members posting nudes of themselves cannot be selectively regulated. There's no way to actually know 100% that any given member is at least 18. Personal nudes just shouldn't be allowed, period.

Cartoon porn isn't an actual person, and just about any 'real' porn found anywhere outside of the deep web is going to have adults.

Aether · October 05, 2014, 08:21:33 AM

I figured Cheat had hoped common sense would steer the board out of illegal waters, and action taken against anything too controversial would be understood and not taken as some sort of double standard in moderation.

Isara · October 05, 2014, 08:24:41 AM

Common sense is not really common. That's why I suggest the agreement page before entering Anarchy.

Quote from: DemonicChronic on October 05, 2014, 08:21:33 AM

I figured Cheat had hoped common sense would steer the board out of illegal waters, and action taken against anything too controversial would be understood and not taken as some sort of double standard in moderation.

Aether · October 05, 2014, 08:34:40 AM

Do you peeps see this? Isara is essentially calling you all block heads.

=]

Chakas · October 05, 2014, 09:32:16 AM

I don't get what just happened. I'm not a damn philosopher here. I just want to know if we can post loli or not. Who has the final word on this? I don't know which mod to believe.

Isara · October 05, 2014, 09:34:47 AM

Cheat holds the final word. We are waiting for it.

Quote from: Chakas on October 05, 2014, 09:32:16 AM

I don't get what just happened. I'm not a damn philosopher here. I just want to know if we can post loli or not. Who has the final word on this? I don't know which mod to believe.

TB · October 05, 2014, 09:36:26 AM

pls no 18 + rule ;_;

Flee · October 05, 2014, 10:34:25 AM

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gats · October 05, 2014, 11:12:53 AM

It's illegal in a couple countries so just to be safe it should be banned.

big sponge · October 05, 2014, 11:16:23 AM

Just a reminder that the only country whose laws matter is where the servers are located.

Cheat · October 05, 2014, 11:32:04 AM

Our servers are in the US, and so (as far as I can tell from looking it up) it is not illegal, so long as the content is not photographs/actual depictions of a real child.

So yeah, it's allowed in Anarchy.

Chakas · October 05, 2014, 11:47:00 AM

Quote from: Cheat on October 05, 2014, 11:32:04 AM

Our servers are in the US, and so (as far as I can tell from looking it up) it is not illegal, so long as the content is not photographs/actual depictions of a real child.

So yeah, it's allowed in Anarchy.

I win

big sponge · October 05, 2014, 11:55:32 AM

Quote from: Cheat on October 05, 2014, 11:32:04 AM

Our servers are in the US, and so (as far as I can tell from looking it up) it is not illegal, so long as the content is not photographs/actual depictions of a real child.

So yeah, it's allowed in Anarchy.

You might want to make sure of that before allowing it. I was assuming that the servers were US based, but if you're not completely sure yourself I'd be a bit more hesitant on it.

Just did some additional research on it as well. In the US it's still possible to be prosecuted if said lolis are found to be engaged in acts that would be deemed obscene by a jury. You just wouldn't be charged for soliciting child porn and instead be charged with obscenity though.

Basically don't post loli's getting gang banged to stay on the safe side if the servers are actually located in the US.

Cheat · October 05, 2014, 12:09:59 PM

Quote from: Lord Commissar on October 05, 2014, 11:55:32 AM

Quote from: Cheat on October 05, 2014, 11:32:04 AM
Our servers are in the US, and so (as far as I can tell from looking it up) it is not illegal, so long as the content is not photographs/actual depictions of a real child.

So yeah, it's allowed in Anarchy.

You might want to make sure of that before allowing it. I was assuming that the servers were US based, but if you're not completely sure yourself I'd be a bit more hesitant on it.

Just did some additional research on it as well. In the US it's still possible to be prosecuted if said lolis are found to be engaged in acts that would be deemed obscene by a jury. You just wouldn't be charged for soliciting child porn and instead be charged with obscenity though.

Basically don't post loli's getting gang banged to stay on the safe side if the servers are actually located in the US.

Yeah, I just looked up a few more sources and it's a grey area.

I'm going to go ahead and ban outright it from Anarchy for the rest of this round, to be safe. We will check it out in greater detail before next month.

Dustin · October 05, 2014, 01:59:57 PM

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big sponge · October 05, 2014, 02:04:30 PM

Quote from: Dustin on October 05, 2014, 01:59:57 PM

Quote from: Flee on October 05, 2014, 10:34:25 AM
Quote from: Cheat on October 05, 2014, 02:10:42 AM
If it's not illegal, then it's allowed.
It's illegal enough in plenty of countries.
It was also illegal in the U.S. a few years back, but it was unenforceable so they removed the law.

Dustin, it was never illegal in the US. The PROTECT act only applies to depictions of real children and the supreme court ruled that virtual things fall under the protection of the first amendment.

As Cheat said it's kind of a gray area due to the fact that you could still conceivably be charged with obscenity for it.

Groot · October 05, 2014, 04:03:21 PM

Why would you even want to post cartoon kid porn? That is fucked up.

Dustin · October 05, 2014, 04:04:04 PM

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Isara · October 05, 2014, 04:09:33 PM

Do you really want a forum moderated by opinion rather by actual, fair and equal moderation? Think again that the same thing can apply to anything besides loli.

Quote from: Groot on October 05, 2014, 04:03:21 PM

Why would you even want to post cartoon kid porn? That is fracked up.

Quote from: Dustin on October 05, 2014, 04:04:04 PM

That's what I've been saying for the past month, but everyone calls me a troll for saying it.

Quote from: SoporificSlash on October 05, 2014, 04:07:20 PM

If it was me I would outright ban it, that shit is gross.