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The fact that Egg is on about minority representation not mattering in the context of race makes me chortle, tbh
why fam

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The Flood / Re: Ghostbusters - first official trailer
« on: March 03, 2016, 11:39:36 AM »
People are acting like this is the anti-christ but Ghostbusters was already a dead money franchise anyways, whogivesafuck

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I'm not sure why you keep bringing up Jon Boyega, but black people enjoying seeing a black guy in Star Wars isn't racist in the slightest.
Acting like his quality as a character has more to do with him being black than the fact he's just written better than Anakin or Obi-wan is placing undue emphasis on race and therefor is racist.
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Is it really such a difficult concept to realize that a black person could relate more to another black person than a white person?
When personality, class, circumstance, and a whole host of other, more behavior defining aspects exist? I'd say if all those criteria are met, then the extent to which race improves relatability is so little that it shouldn't warrant the current outcry. But to these people race is a huge deal. They are pathologically obsessed with it.

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And again, the idea of relatability isn't even the crux of the discussion; the real purpose behind Abrams' actions is to confront head-on the tendency for a majority-white leadership in Hollywood to favor white actors and staff members.
I'm glad Abrams is resisting the chronies up top.
I'm just refusing to recognize the idea that "I can't relate to white people" is a premise for any action.

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Those are the Oscars.
The Oscars are a statistical representation of the industry, and no statistics rebut the premise of the article.

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I don't know about you, but when I have trouble relating to a character, it's not because of race. I don't relate to Chris Tucker because of his style of humor, not because he's black.
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White people having difficulty identifying with black humor has nothing to do with race of the presenter and entirely to do with the fact that black comedy exists as a genre because it is literally a different style that has to deal with black American culture.
So you don't like Chris Tucker's humor because it's related to black American culture, which you don't identify with. That's my exact point.
uh

black American culture means the difference between a standup by CK or Chappelle.

replace the races of either comedian with the that of another and the differences still exist.

nothing about John Boyega's performance brought in black American culture. he's just black.
the fact that a person thinks that just because Boyega's black means that he is instantly more relatable than any white person, means that person is racist. "oh but its natural to be like that", yeah it's natural for anyone to be racist, not racist people learn to fight primitive emotions like that.

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Minorities should reevaluate how they judge and enjoy movies.

It's not a conscious act, for the most part. It's the same reason a lot of people dislike anime, foreign films, "black" comedies (and I'm speaking racially, not about dark humor), etc. There are movies that you undoubtedly don't relate to; if you're a white person, you probably relate to the vast majority of feature films; if you're not, you likely relate to a smaller number of those films. And in terms of staffing, it really is demonstrable that minorities are underrepresented in Hollywood.

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The issue has come to a head because over the past two years some films with a particular emotional resonance were passed over. The original “Rocky” (1976) won three Oscars, and Sylvester Stallone was nominated (though he did not win) for both acting and writing. Critics and fans alike have heaped praise on 2015's new addition to the Rocky franchise, “Creed”, which sees a black fighter as the hero. But the star and the black director, Michael B. Jordan and Ryan Coogler, will have to make do with fans' appreciation and more than $100m at the box office: the film's only nomination went to Mr Stallone, this time for Best Supporting Actor. “Straight Outta Compton”, a hit film about a black hip-hop group with a black director and producer, was nominated only for its screenplay, the writers of which were white. “Beasts of No Nation” delighted our reviewer, and fans of its star, Idris Elba, hope he will be the next James Bond. It also brought a horrifying phenomenon, child soldiering in Africa, to Western audiences. But the Academy ignored it. All this happens in the shadow of last year's nominations, in which “Selma”, a film about the civil-rights movement which our reviewer found “remarkable”, was nominated but did not win Best Picture, as many thought it should. Neither its director, Ava DuVernay, nor its star, David Oyelowo, were recognised by the academy.

Fingers are pointing at the Academy’s 6,000-odd voting members, 94% of whom are white. Spike Lee, whose “Do The Right Thing” is considered one of the great movies not to have won an Oscar, has lamented “another all-white ballot”; Don Cheadle, who got a Best Actor nomination in 2004 for “Hotel Rwanda”, has joked dryly about parking cars at the event. It is possible that the only black actor onstage will be Chris Rock, who is hosting. He has already said that the Oscars seem to have become a white equivalent of the Black Entertainment Television awards.

These years are far from the first whitewashing in Oscars history: no actors from ethnic minorities were nominated in 1995 or 1997, or in an extraordinary streak between 1975 and 1980. Throughout the 20th century, 95% of Oscar nominations went to white film stars. It is an embarrassing anachronism that the prevalence of white Academy electors has been allowed to continue into the 21st century, a trend that the Academy's (black) president, Cheryl Boone Isaacs, has vowed to end.

Could the “whiteout” be a statistical glitch? If the data were random, such a glitch would be hugely unlikely. A 2013 survey of the Screen Actors Guild (SAG), an American union for film performers, suggests that 70% of its members are white. If all of the Guild’s members were equally likely to receive Oscar nominations, regardless of race, then over a two-year period 28 out of 40 nominations would be of white actors. The chances of no single person of colour being nominated across two ceremonies would be exceptionally small—even during a 15-year span, the odds of seeing at least one sequence of back-to-back whiteouts are around one in 100,000.
Those are the Oscars. System ran by a bunch of pretentious old white dudes who have created a genre: "Oscar Bait".



I'm talking about movies, stories, casting.
I don't know about you, but when I have trouble relating to a character, it's not because of race. I don't relate to Chris Tucker because of his style of humor, not because he's black. White people having difficulty identifying with black humor has nothing to do with race of the presenter and entirely to do with the fact that black comedy exists as a genre because it is literally a different style that has to deal with black American culture.

Maybe it's just because I watch foreign films often and actually think about characters rather than looking at their skin color idk I can't see this as anything else than racism on the account of minorities.

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In the end all this is about is people having trouble identifying with people who aren't of their race, regardless of context, class, or all the other things that matter more about how similar a character is to you.

Being able to relate to a character in a movie is pivotal -- in Episode VII, Finn was the audience character. In the original trilogy it was Luke, and in the prequels it was Obi-Wan. It's a commonly expressed opinion among minorities that seeing a bunch of white people is far less relatable than it would be with a more diverse representation in Hollywood.
Minorities should reevaluate how they judge and enjoy movies. Finn could have been white and the character changes not at all, yet suddenly they can't identify with him?

If we're making a movie set in a realistic setting where being black might actually change your interactions to some degree, then sure these are valid points. But in Star Wars it literally doesn't matter what race you are.

And IIRC, John Boyega sounds more white American in speech than black.

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“I think the better stories are going to come from the more inclusive voices,” he said. “I think that audiences will go to see these movies. The bottom line will increase, will benefit from this inclusivity.”

It's Star Wars, in what fathomable context does the race of a character change the course or shape of a story. Just having someone there doesn't magically change the narrative. In the end all this is about is people having trouble identifying with people who aren't of their race, regardless of context, class, or all the other things that matter more about how similar a character is to you.

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Serious / Re: Let's say a death clock is created
« on: March 02, 2016, 08:06:12 PM »
The timer could reflect the pure chance that the gun goes off pointed at your head by accident. Say you stood in the middle of a road, if you watched the timer and waited for it to count down, the end result is some distracted or drunk driver plows into you. Or you got on a 3 hour plane flight and your timer dropped to 2 hours... uh oh.
If the timer doesn't update until you put yourself in a situation where common sense tells us death is inevitable, then it's really shitty at it's job. An ideal deathwatch would know with mathematical precision where everything is in the universe and how they relate to the status of your life, and magically being able to know quantum outcomes, deduce when precisely you will die. It would be able to know that you are going to put a gun to your head to test it before you even think to do so.

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Serious / Re: Let's say a death clock is created
« on: March 02, 2016, 03:29:04 PM »
What use is it if it changes in accordance with your actions?
Let's say you want to test it so you're gunna shoot yourself.
If it recognizes that you are poised to shoot yourself and adjusts itself to less than a few minutes, but didn't already have it set to such a short time before, then it failed to account for how you would naturally react to it (wanting to test it).

If it can't predict things such as that, how can it predict the rate at which someone naturally ages and will die?

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The Flood / Re: Which do you think is more attractive to women?
« on: March 02, 2016, 12:29:28 AM »
tony stark duh

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Gaming / Re: I'm actually sort of looking forward to the new doom
« on: March 01, 2016, 06:29:48 PM »
fps is dead

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Gaming / Re: MCC is dead
« on: March 01, 2016, 05:22:54 PM »
Halo has been dead since Reach (dying of terminal cancer at that point)
I hated Reach but at least it was still able to surpass 100k population on a daily basis a year after launch
what's really sad is at the time everyone was commenting how low that number is for halo

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Gaming / Re: MCC is dead
« on: March 01, 2016, 10:58:16 AM »
Halo has been dead since Reach (dying of terminal cancer at that point)

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Serious / Re: Opinions on the raising of children by same-sex parents?
« on: March 01, 2016, 10:50:32 AM »
(two male fathers with a daughter starting her period, for example)
There are a lot of women who don't understand female anatomy.

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I wouldn't blame Ceasar for not knowing about gravitational waves. I don't see any evidence that the concepts of suffering and morality are post-Rome inventions.
Ours certainly are.

Consider also Caesar's political surroundings. I can summarize in a fairly lengthy post if you're not familiar with them. He was hardly much worse than those he competed with, by the standards of our day. If anything, he was better.

Again, though, the standards of our day aren't anything special.
I don't think anything about how he compares to other of his time is how you should assess the morality of someone. Doing so's not even in alignment with historical impartiality, which would be along the lines of just saying "he did this, events followed".
I'm just going along with a moral history thought process here, for the fun of it. I recognize the influence of taste in my view of history and try to separate my opinion from my understanding.

But, if you are a follower of consequentialist or utilitarian morality, Caesar's alternatives are of great importance to any evaluation of him. If Caesar had not kicked off the civil war and taken over when he did, Pompey would have been the top dog in Roman politics, and he was a power hungry senate shill. Pompey's first interest was amassing power and glory for himself. I doubt things would have gone so well for the plebs if Caesar didn't take over.
I don't know the specifics well enough to say things like "he could have done it differently in a more humane fashion" so I'll concede here.

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I wouldn't blame Ceasar for not knowing about gravitational waves. I don't see any evidence that the concepts of suffering and morality are post-Rome inventions.
Ours certainly are.

Consider also Caesar's political surroundings. I can summarize in a fairly lengthy post if you're not familiar with them. He was hardly much worse than those he competed with, by the standards of our day. If anything, he was better.

Again, though, the standards of our day aren't anything special.
I don't think anything about how he compares to other of his time is how you should assess the morality of someone. Doing so's not even in alignment with historical impartiality, which would be along the lines of just saying "he did this, events followed".

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The Flood / Re: At what age did you lose your virginity
« on: February 29, 2016, 08:11:22 PM »
Here's that official age meter everyone's familiar with

see i dodged a bullet

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ironic how the people itt trying to appropriate old julio are the same that mock cultural relativism
Who here is appropriating Julius?

I don't think anyone would be dumb enough to try to translate his actions and worldview into modern politics, or vice versa. The realities of the ages are too different.

I don't really believe in cultural relativism in regard to examining modern politics (I'm not totally opposed to it either), but trying to look at history through ideological lenses is ridiculous and destructive to the science that it is.

Can we look at history for fun and discuss who was right and who was wrong, make value statements? Sure. But trying to read into ancient history based on our modern standards and ideologies is ridiculous.

In doing so, you end up looking at history as "thousands of years of asshole shit followed by like 100 or so years of not so terrible shit".
you cant say that ceasar did nothing wrong because what he did was par of the age and simultaneously not believe in cultural relativism. you're excusing ceasar because the culture he was in made his actions appropriate.

>history is science so you can't make moral evaluations on actions made

lmao what
if there's some context missing that changes the moral value of his decisions then moral opinion will change when that information comes to light, i don't know where you're getting these memes from
I think the important distinction between cultural relativism in modern politics and cultural relativism in historical contexts is that historical peoples had no exposure to the standards of today. Compare this to our massively networked world, where people have, for the most part, access to a great diversity of ideas. There are exceptions, of course, but most people have a choice in their ideology.

That said, right and wrong don't really exist to me right now outside of the context of my Christianity, and good ol' JC predates Christianity. So you shouldn't read into my positive view of Caesar as anything more than "Caesar pleases me".
I wouldn't blame Ceasar for not knowing about gravitational waves. I don't see any evidence that the concepts of suffering and morality are post-Rome inventions.

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Serious / Re: Opinions on the raising of children by same-sex parents?
« on: February 29, 2016, 08:02:05 PM »
I think it's more of an issue of same-sex relationships having more trouble staying together than how same sex parents actually interact with the child.

How come? Is it just statistically speaking that homosexual relationships end in speraration more often than not?
IIRC yeah

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Serious / Re: Opinions on the raising of children by same-sex parents?
« on: February 29, 2016, 07:55:30 PM »
I think it's more of an issue of same-sex relationships having more trouble staying together than how same sex parents actually interact with the child.

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The Flood / Re: At what age did you lose your virginity
« on: February 29, 2016, 07:53:56 PM »
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got it done before the big 20 phwew

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ironic how the people itt trying to appropriate old julio are the same that mock cultural relativism
Who here is appropriating Julius?

I don't think anyone would be dumb enough to try to translate his actions and worldview into modern politics, or vice versa. The realities of the ages are too different.

I don't really believe in cultural relativism in regard to examining modern politics (I'm not totally opposed to it either), but trying to look at history through ideological lenses is ridiculous and destructive to the science that it is.

Can we look at history for fun and discuss who was right and who was wrong, make value statements? Sure. But trying to read into ancient history based on our modern standards and ideologies is ridiculous.

In doing so, you end up looking at history as "thousands of years of asshole shit followed by like 100 or so years of not so terrible shit".
you cant say that ceasar did nothing wrong because what he did was par of the age and simultaneously not believe in cultural relativism. you're excusing ceasar because the culture he was in made his actions appropriate.

>history is science so you can't make moral evaluations on actions made

lmao what
if there's some context missing that changes the moral value of his decisions then moral opinion will change when that information comes to light, i don't know where you're getting these memes from

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ironic how the people itt trying to appropriate old julio are the same that mock cultural relativism

i am now aware i have misused the verb form of appropriate
what a shit language tbh

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The Flood / Re: Swatting is hilarious
« on: February 29, 2016, 02:19:16 PM »
what will you do when swat doesn't respond to a call when a streamer commits a double homicide suicide

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The Flood / Re: Where are the real front lines for militant atheists?
« on: February 29, 2016, 02:16:06 PM »
I wouldn't say militant atheism and secularism are the same.

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Gaming / Re: >Siding with the Quarians
« on: February 29, 2016, 02:12:36 PM »
I didn't like the quarian's accents so I let them die
It's like they couldn't decide if they were Cajun or Latvian.

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Gaming / Re: I've never played Nier.
« on: February 28, 2016, 03:14:57 PM »
Spoiler


yes
80% sure those are just spammed i-frames not actual dodging

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Gaming / Re: Reminder that beastiality is a thing in the Pokemon universe
« on: February 27, 2016, 02:53:45 PM »
She's a gram gram she's allowed to say weird shit like that and it's innocent.

for real though i'd be fucking with pokemon

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Gaming / Re: What's your record for the longest gaming session?
« on: February 27, 2016, 02:50:54 PM »
Did 24 hours of Dota with bf and his friends.
we all hated our lives by the end

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Serious / Re: Economists rank the candidates' policy proposals
« on: February 27, 2016, 10:57:49 AM »
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Make tuition free at public colleges and universities.

Proposed by Bernie Sanders

Economists' rating: BAD
                     
“This proposal is too indiscriminate. Many students can afford to pay a considerable amount toward their higher education. It is wasteful to give them a free ride.” — Eric Maskin
“I favor making tuition free for low- and moderate-income students. But I don’t think it makes sense to subsidize high-income families for their children to attend college. ” — Hilary Hoynes
“There are many who can and should pay for college.” — Larry Samuelso

Are private colleges not already where rich families go despite the fact public uni is cheaper?

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