Quote from: eggsalad on April 18, 2016, 10:38:12 PM

You have to posit objective reason to contradict nihilism.

i already have, countless times

i see you have as much substantiation for this as you have for actual reasons

look at all the most important and influential people in human history--people whose names will be remembered for as long as we're still around, and people whose positive contributions to the species will always be extolled

none of them were nihilists

in fact, i'd wager most of them were anti-nihilists

it's almost like some ideas are better at propagating themselves than others, similar to natalism.

you look like spongebob

like this or?

have i posted a pic here?
should i post a pic here?

they made it hard to play fashion souls with dargon head

Strictly assigning bathrooms based on genitalia or sex chromosomes works against the goal of making the environment more comfortable because it means transmen who look and act like men have to use women's restrooms, and transwomen who look like women have to use men's restrooms. Considering trans people use bathrooms more often than hypothetical rapists in drag invade bathrooms, I'm going to say that following the genital rule is working against yourself.

Peeping and gawking at naked people is still sexual harassment regardless of gender, nothing has ever changed that.

what's the statute of limitations on two towers

Because the game, the game creator, and everyone who plays the game deeply hold onto that fact.

Genocide ending holds up perfectly well on its own. You just don't feel satisfied by it because you're a little puss who doesn't understand that tragedy is a genre.

What the fuck? Obviously I don't believe that choices in VIDEO GAMES represent the morality of the player, I'm saying that's the attitude of the game and its players.

why can't the game make moral assessments on actions you make
it's like you're literally feeling accused of being a murderer because a game does it for the sake of trying to give you a meaningful experience. it's hilarious. calling your viewpoint autistic isn't just a meme, you literally have trouble interpreting the intentions and feelings behind communication.

You're getting way too defensive. You say it isn't black and white, but it totally is. One is the perfect, great ending where everyone is happy. One is the terrible ending where everyone is in doom and despair. And god help you if you choose the half of the game that's delegated as bad. YOU, not Frisk, are a bad person if you do so.

uh
why is an ending with doom and despair the "wrong ending".

More like the fact that there are two almost impossible to beat bosses solely designed to punish you for doing a genocide run

Those aren't punishments, they're fucking rewarding, fun fights that you just suck at.

you can never get the good ending if you do it first (even though ruining the good ending by doing genocide second is objectively more immoral)

unless you mean "perfect ending" that sums up to a few lines of dialogue, you can get the pascifist ending. Again, you're just scared pissless of consequences to your actions in a game that expresses itself as having permanent ones. go play bejewled you fucking scrub

and that Chara is set up to be this terrible person but didn't do anything as bad as Asgore

Chara kills because she hates everything. She's a product of her environment, but she is just a feral monster. Asgore would have to kill people one way or the other in order to free the monsters. He's not of respectable ethical character but he's not evil.

Those aren't realistic "consequences", they're meta mechanics solely put into place because the SJW creator is obsessed with "muh no one has to die tagline"

uh
what?
characters hating you aren't realistic consequences? characters should just have no response to the fact you're murdering everyone?

or are you saying that stylistic reflections of the nature of your actions aren't good for the game. in which case you should posit why they aren't effective. because nothing about those aspects are bad.


Undertale is a flawed game that easily dislikable, but these aren't the reasons.

Quote from: eggsalad on April 15, 2016, 12:01:57 PM

They're all written like they belong in homestuck, which means they all start to sound the same over time.

Also people like you are the reason why a lot of games have shitty, token "choices" that don't change the game's course or tone at all. If you don't want your choices to have consequences, then you might as well not be making any at all.

The fact you complain about characters being dynamic and responsive to your choices just tells me you don't understand good writing.

Quote from: SecondClass on April 15, 2016, 10:18:08 AM

Quote from: Batch on April 15, 2016, 09:44:01 AM

Hell, I'd do more then talk down to you if you started murdering people...

Not the characters, the game itself. The reactions from the characters are fine even if the characters thenselves are bad, but it's just the way the game preaches to you and drones on and on about how you're making a bad choice. Like how Sans says "you're not going to have a good time if you keep going this way" in a very meta sense.

Why even have the option to do a non peaceful run if the game is going to constantly cram in your face that that's the only right way to play it?

Maybe read through the thread next time

Nothing about that post changes what I said.

It's your fault you choose to interpret everything to childish degree as "right and wrong way to play" rather than seeing it as an aspect of the narrative. If experiencing negative emotions and character feedback for choosing to act evil is considered discouraging to you then I think you missed the point completely in being able to take such a path.

They're all written like they belong in homestuck, which means they all start to sound the same over time.

Also people like you are the reason why a lot of games have shitty, token "choices" that don't change the game's course or tone at all. If you don't want your choices to have consequences, then you might as well not be making any at all.

The fact you complain about characters being dynamic and responsive to your choices just tells me you don't understand good writing.

Quote from: ReGrip Chaos on April 13, 2016, 02:19:44 PM

Like when they did not let that Transman at Brown sit on the council for diversity, because through identifying as a white male, they suddenly became the enemy oppressor.

Transmen are constantly treated unfairly and shittily in many trans circles, especially Tumblr. This is partially the reason why some people choose only to use the term transmisogyny now, instead of transphobia: once they become a man, everything must be magical and perfect for them now, so they don't matter.

I'd say transmisogyny exists as a word because to many transphobes, transmen aren't even blips on the radar. Shit like that is evidenced by all these bathroom bills that specifically target transwomen while none of the legislature even considered the fact that transmen exist. For fuck's sake there isn't even really any backlash when transmen come out about the issue, people who were previously describing transwomen as hairy pedophiles just resign with an "oh".

Of course, being thought of as a thing that doesn't exist is a bag of worms of its own, but I think there is an important distinction that warrants some more specific words.

>tumblrinas have lists of sexualities that don't exist
"omg this shit is ridic"
>tumblrinas start recognizing there are legitimate and illegitimate things to consider sexualites
"lol look at these people and their infighting"


anyways,
i can kind of get behind pan, but dem is literally retarded

Honesty doesn't fucking matter to me that something dies. What matters is how that kill is done, minimizing the experienced suffering of the livestock. With less complex organisms, you have less to consider as they don't have the faculties to feel stressed out about certain circumstances. A mammal usually needs more breathing room and sanitation than an invertebrate in order to feel adequately comfortable.

Currently the industry really doesn't give a shit about anything like that. I don't oppose killing animals for food, I oppose keeping them in such destitute and torturous conditions. I would pay more for meat not made by sociopaths.