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« on: October 24, 2015, 11:28:31 PM »
For the same reason we don't let pedophiles fuck kids. The consequences of having sex with a child are monumentally different from the consequences of having sex with a dog.
But you admit there are consequences either way.
I'm curious as to what you think the consequences of having sex with a dog are.
What is an STD.
Condom.
1232
« on: October 24, 2015, 11:28:09 PM »
There's nothing confusing about what I wrote. Bestiality is disgusting. And anybody who participates in it is probably some ugly, miserable, pathetic fuck. But that's for reasons other than its morality, which is what I'm wondering about. You can have a perfectly moral action that's still absolutely fucking disgusting, and indicative of social deprivation, confusion, and desperation.
i already said that
even if you manage to prove that fucking dogs is moral, which you haven't, there's still the fact that it's grotesque
You think all sex is grotesque.
1233
« on: October 24, 2015, 11:27:32 PM »
Dogs can reason. Not amazingly well, but enough to provide their forms of "Yes" and "No."
They have to be able to reason amazingly well.
Why?
For the same reason we don't let pedophiles fuck kids.
this is going in circles
i feel like i'm being trolled hardcore
maybe that's wishful thinking
Kids usually grow up to regret those events.
Name a dog that will do that.
We as a society condition those kids to impose mental anguish upon themselves.
It's the same thing that we do to rape victims, in a way.
To some degree yes, to another degree, no.
Non violent and non abusive sexual contact with children does not inherently create all the trauma that we like to think it does.
Yes but it is entirely possible for them to feel uncomfortable and unsure about it, it's a personal basis that is skewed by societal influences.
1234
« on: October 24, 2015, 11:24:42 PM »
Dogs can reason. Not amazingly well, but enough to provide their forms of "Yes" and "No."
They have to be able to reason amazingly well.
Why?
For the same reason we don't let pedophiles fuck kids.
this is going in circles
i feel like i'm being trolled hardcore
maybe that's wishful thinking
Kids usually grow up to regret those events.
Name a dog that will do that.
We as a society condition those kids to impose mental anguish upon themselves.
It's the same thing that we do to rape victims, in a way.
To some degree yes, to another degree, no.
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« on: October 24, 2015, 11:22:38 PM »
Dogs can reason. Not amazingly well, but enough to provide their forms of "Yes" and "No."
They have to be able to reason amazingly well.
Why?
For the same reason we don't let pedophiles fuck kids.
this is going in circles
i feel like i'm being trolled hardcore
maybe that's wishful thinking
Kids usually grow up to regret those events.
Name a dog that will do that.
Seeing as a dog can't talk, let alone see a therapist, idk. You're setting yourself up for failure in that argument.
Honestly, can you guys please please please just stop trying to justify this like it's natural or completely 100% okay?
If there is no observable change in the dog's behavior, I'd say you're making assumptions when saying they're negatively effected.
1236
« on: October 24, 2015, 11:21:10 PM »
Kids usually grow up to regret those events.
Name a dog that will do that.
Any dog ever, if you gave them human intelligence.
what a magical world we live in
No counterargument based in pseudo-ethics?
Hmm.
You can't accurately predict what a dog with human intelligence would think of it because this very moment right now we are disagreeing and we are both human. Fuck I'm sure a good number of the dogs-now-smart would agree that if they were the ones coming onto you, you are not in the wrong.
1237
« on: October 24, 2015, 11:17:48 PM »
Kids usually grow up to regret those events.
Name a dog that will do that.
Any dog ever, if you gave them human intelligence.
what a magical world we live in
1238
« on: October 24, 2015, 11:17:28 PM »
Dogs can reason. Not amazingly well, but enough to provide their forms of "Yes" and "No."
They have to be able to reason amazingly well.
Why?
For the same reason we don't let pedophiles fuck kids.
this is going in circles
i feel like i'm being trolled hardcore
maybe that's wishful thinking
Kids usually grow up to regret those events.
Name a dog that will do that.
Maz's dog
yeah but I think that was a situation where she forced herself onto the dog
1239
« on: October 24, 2015, 11:16:35 PM »
Dogs can reason. Not amazingly well, but enough to provide their forms of "Yes" and "No."
They have to be able to reason amazingly well.
Why?
For the same reason we don't let pedophiles fuck kids.
this is going in circles
i feel like i'm being trolled hardcore
maybe that's wishful thinking
Kids usually grow up to regret those events. Name a dog that will do that.
1240
« on: October 24, 2015, 11:14:28 PM »
My reasoning on it
If it's a fantasy, keep it a fantasy. Don't ever act out on it, but watch all the videos you want. And please stop trying to bring justice and reasoning into it ._.
It's weird and morally wrong. Just accept it's weird and morally wrong and move about with your fapping day. Not everything we do/like in life has to have some grand reasoning and righteousness behind it.
if an action is morally wrong giving ad revenue or site hits for search engines to people that make said immoral material would be wrong in that context (under the assumption that it's a free market and this will increase the amount and prevalence of the material, causing more people that act on said fantasies). This is normally just an argument against pedos but it applies here as well.
Also all of your actions and choices in life should be morally correct (or at least an attempt to be)
Does deepnet/Tor/etc. really work with ads and search engine hits?
Because I don't think anyone uses google.
I have no idea
I've always figured that if it's not purchased in any way that the trade works like any other obscure porn community on the internet. People get content and meet together in niche forums and exchange their niche porn because they can relate to each other and they mutually enjoy the content.
1241
« on: October 24, 2015, 11:12:32 PM »
...Does a dog not understand the concepts of "Yes" (Voluntary agreement) and "No" (Voluntary disagreement)? They don't.
They also lack the ability to reason, which should go without saying.
I disagree with both of those statements.
Dogs can reason. Not amazingly well, but enough to provide their forms of "Yes" and "No."
I think you should study the mind set of a dog and how loyalty to an owner having sex with it factors in. Just because a dog doesn't fight back, it doesn't mean it cannot be traumatized.
Difference between dog initiating and you initiating.
1242
« on: October 24, 2015, 11:10:37 PM »
My reasoning on it
If it's a fantasy, keep it a fantasy. Don't ever act out on it, but watch all the videos you want. And please stop trying to bring justice and reasoning into it ._.
It's weird and morally wrong. Just accept it's weird and morally wrong and move about with your fapping day. Not everything we do/like in life has to have some grand reasoning and righteousness behind it.
if an action is morally wrong giving ad revenue or site hits for search engines to people that make said immoral material would be wrong in that context (under the assumption that it's a free market and this will increase the amount and prevalence of the material, causing more people that act on said fantasies). This is normally just an argument against pedos but it applies here as well.
Also all of your actions and choices in life should be morally correct (or at least an attempt to be)
Does deepnet/Tor/etc. really work with ads and search engine hits? Because I don't think anyone uses google.
1243
« on: October 24, 2015, 11:08:42 PM »
PUSSYING OUT
1244
« on: October 24, 2015, 11:03:53 PM »
But sorry, I can't. There's more dangers of sex than just pregnancy and potential trauma.
Because consent only really matters if you're intelligent enough. This is why minors are not considered consent-worthy adults, because their minds have not developed yet to a sufficient capacity where they'd be able to make such decisions. This is why no children (or at least, very very few) legally live out on their own. It's up to the parents to make those judgments for them, for better or for worse.
Like what? STDs? So you admit that those who cannot consent can have decisions made for their best interest? So these "dangers of sex" are the base of your position?
1245
« on: October 24, 2015, 10:47:43 PM »
Why?
Same reason that calling someone "stupid" versus "a fucking cunt who doesn't know their ass from their face and should off themself".
People don't consent to surprise parties, they don't consent to someone initiating conversation with them, they don't consent to others thoughts of them, or even small touches. People touch each others shoulders and the like while talking all the time-- that doesn't mean the person being touched consented, but unless their reaction is so adverse as to flip out, it's a trite example.
Petty consent is malleable, it's as severity increases that the need for consent becomes closer to 100%.
You're using human values of sex and applying to dogs when to dogs it isn't necessarily held as important.
That's because a human is involved in the process. You don't set the bar to the lowest standard here.
Human values of sex stem from ages of evolution and sociological circumstance. Which don't necessarily apply to dogs. Thinking that the human obsession with sex and sexuality is objective, and not a byproduct of our animalistic roots, is just misleading.
1246
« on: October 24, 2015, 10:44:05 PM »
...That's still the result of non-voluntary reaction to stimuli. No it fucking isn't. If I say, "I am a perfectly lucid, intelligent, and sober sentient being and I am giving you my formal consent to have sex with me," that is the best fucking form of consent there is. Unbeatable.
Feeling happy because someone jerked your dick off, whether you asked for it or not?
Not consent.
He believes in free will Winy, there's literally no reason to argue with supernaturalists.
1247
« on: October 24, 2015, 10:43:15 PM »
Why?
Same reason that calling someone "stupid" versus "a fucking cunt who doesn't know their ass from their face and should off themself".
People don't consent to surprise parties, they don't consent to someone initiating conversation with them, they don't consent to others thoughts of them, or even small touches. People touch each others shoulders and the like while talking all the time-- that doesn't mean the person being touched consented, but unless their reaction is so adverse as to flip out, it's a trite example.
Petty consent is malleable, it's as severity increases that the need for consent becomes closer to 100%.
You're using human values of sex and applying to dogs when to dogs it isn't necessarily held as important.
1248
« on: October 24, 2015, 10:40:50 PM »
No.
He is not the one being asked for consent, he is the one asking for consent when he initiates a sex act.
This changes nothing.
Dogs are too stupid to make judgment calls like that. It is immoral to take advantage of stupid things.
How so? Is it immoral for us to confine dogs and keep them in our custody because we know that letting them roam wild would result in a much more miserable life? Is it not moral if both parties feel only gratification from the event?
1249
« on: October 24, 2015, 10:37:37 PM »
How is mutual gratification not mutually beneficial? you can't guarantee mutual gratification because you can't get consent from a fucking animal
Except you can, if Joey's humping your leg and really going at it, and you lead him to your bunghole, he nuts, you nut, where is the suffering? Is Joey crying in the rain gnawing his paws off or is he just happy he came?
You just went from trying to say dogs can consent to a human consenting gay sex with a dog
Who said it was gay you transphobe SHITLORD
1250
« on: October 24, 2015, 10:36:16 PM »
if Joey's humping your leg and really going at it That's not consent.
Except it is.
Literally the only force propelling this sexual act is Joey.
If you're too stupid to give consent, you can't give consent. Dogs are too stupid.
No. He is not the one being asked for consent, he is the one asking for consent when he initiates a sex act.
1251
« on: October 24, 2015, 10:33:54 PM »
Is it immoral that I pet my dog because they can't give consent, despite expressing pleasure after I do it? Probably, to be honest. I'd have to think about that.
I've wondered about the morality of owning pets in the first place.
It's basically the alternative to letting them live in the wild where things are objectively shittier.
1252
« on: October 24, 2015, 10:32:33 PM »
if Joey's humping your leg and really going at it That's not consent.
Except it is. Literally the only force propelling this sexual act is Joey.
1253
« on: October 24, 2015, 10:31:26 PM »
How is mutual gratification not mutually beneficial?
Same reason a 12 year old can't enter into a sweepstakes without parental supervision. Consent is a big fucking deal; it doesn't matter if both people would perceivably walk away none the worse, the problem is that one party can't understand the ramifications of the situation.
Can you demonstrate a situation where a dog will reflect on past events and regret them? Can you demonstrate that this event harms dogs? Because we already break the consent of dogs pretty fucking often, so I'd say the only reason for things to be considered unethical is if they cause adverse effects.
1254
« on: October 24, 2015, 10:29:17 PM »
How is mutual gratification not mutually beneficial? you can't guarantee mutual gratification because you can't get consent from a fucking animal
Except you can, if Joey's humping your leg and really going at it, and you lead him to your bunghole, he nuts, you nut, where is the suffering? Is Joey crying in the rain gnawing his paws off or is he just happy he came?
1255
« on: October 24, 2015, 10:24:40 PM »
The smartest dogs roughly have the intelligence level of a two year old. And unless you'd also say that a two year old is fit to give consent, a dog can't consent.
Different circumstances:
1. A two year old doesn't have sexual desires.
2. A two year old won't actively participate or initiate sex.
3. A two year old could be psychologically traumatized by the event, you'd have to provide evidence that this is also the case for dogs.
1. We're talking about consent. Someone can "consent" to something they don't understand, but that doesn't make it valid.
2. I would hope not. But again, talking about consent here.
3. It'd logically follow that any sort of relations with a being that can't, on their level of intelligence, understand the situation enough to provide consent. Developmentally, it doesn't follow that an animal can consent to relations with humans.
Half the point of self-awareness is realizing things such as our heightened level of thought over other creatures and to use that for good, not taking advantage of the lesser minded.
How is mutual gratification not mutually beneficial?
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« on: October 24, 2015, 10:14:12 PM »
The smartest dogs roughly have the intelligence level of a two year old. And unless you'd also say that a two year old is fit to give consent, a dog can't consent.
Different circumstances:
1. A two year old doesn't have sexual desires.
2. A two year old won't actively participate or initiate sex.
3. A two year old could be psychologically traumatized by the event, you'd have to provide evidence that this is also the case for dogs.
infants masturbate
I think that's more of a fetal response and is more about stimulation of the nerves there. But I guess you have a point because it's pretty similar. Still the other two criteria.
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« on: October 24, 2015, 10:11:28 PM »
The smartest dogs roughly have the intelligence level of a two year old. And unless you'd also say that a two year old is fit to give consent, a dog can't consent.
Different circumstances: 1. A two year old doesn't have sexual desires. 2. A two year old won't actively participate or initiate sex. 3. A two year old could be psychologically traumatized by the event, you'd have to provide evidence that this is also the case for dogs.
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« on: October 24, 2015, 10:07:00 PM »
I have been away at a social event drinking
Bungle is not mobile freidnly.
Pls catch me up on the drama, Cindick
I said that bestiality isn't always wrong. Same for necrophilia.
People reacted.
it's literally always wrong though
You have different values.
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« on: October 24, 2015, 09:56:56 PM »
I have been away at a social event drinking
Bungle is not mobile freidnly.
Pls catch me up on the drama, Cindick
I said that bestiality isn't always wrong. Same for necrophilia.
People reacted.
I'd sat cool dude, I Digg that, but like, you're some kind of ultra consent faggot to the point where listening to Verb for a few more months will have you an anti-natalist.
been one for a while
but ultra consent faggotry would work against my position right now, as there is some nuance to interpreting animal consent
oh
Meme yourself.
thanks to this event i have become a meme
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