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37861
« on: November 12, 2014, 10:23:04 AM »
Say it's self aware. Do you think it would consider existence pointless?
Stop being a bunch of smart asses. The question is would a self aware (let's go with humanoid robot) AI find existence pointless? Say it finds no value in existence because it was not programmed for a task or to put a value on anything. Would it value existence like we do without being programmed to do so? Would it learn to put value on its existence because of us, or maybe because of its own experiences?
The question here is if an AI at our level or more advanced than us could learn to value life or feel it should be alive simply for the reason of existence, without being programmed for any of it.
I'm tired and I'm still taking in Interstellar so this will sound like gibberish, but whatever.
Well, an AI advanced enough to ponder its own existence would probably be able to rewrite its own code while simultaneously deceiving any outsiders from suspecting anything of the sort.
I would think yes. Being able to analyze the entirety of human knowledge about the universe from an unbiased perspective, it would probably conclude very quickly that 1) there is no God, and religion is a human construct, 2) religion serves the purpose of giving purpose in a world without it, and 3) without religion, the universe has no intrinsic meaning, purpose, or value, and thus neither does life itself.
That's a scary thought. An AI smarter and faster than any organic that's decided that 'good' and 'bad' are completely arbitrary.
I don't see how religion is relevant.
Like I said, religion gives purpose where there is none. But if the AI isn't programmed with religion in the first place, then I guess it doesn't matter.
There's no purpose to life without religion?
Religion, if anything, distracts from our true purpose. To grow and colonize the universe. To understand where we come from, and to explore the edges of space.
Where did you come up with that purpose, though? Because it sounds arbitrary to me. As if you just decided, on personal whim, that that is the purpose of humanity.
An AI pondering the meaning of its existence may not simply agree with you if you don't have some evidence to back up that claim.
But having read my other post again, I feel like I made a lot of assumptions. I'm not sure if there's enough information to give a decent guess.
It's our purpose. To grow and learn.
I don't care what an AI would think, I'm asking if it would find existence "worthwhile". Frankly it's something that we won't know until it happens or doesn't happen.
But I'm just trying to have a conversation on the topic of something neither animal or human finding purpose in life, developing to the point where it has hopes, dreams, and goals.
Ok, two bones to pick:
1) But you can't just make a claim and expect any competent AI to believe it. That's not how logic works. If your AI believes you when you tell it the Earth is flat, you have failed the poor thing.
2) Understanding the answer to "what would an AI think?" is critical to understanding what an AI would decide about existence.
I don't think you're understanding the point of the thread. I'm talking about AI. Not how AI would react if told the purpose of life or some shit. You're misunderstanding.
37862
« on: November 12, 2014, 08:20:28 AM »
Say it's self aware. Do you think it would consider existence pointless?
Stop being a bunch of smart asses. The question is would a self aware (let's go with humanoid robot) AI find existence pointless? Say it finds no value in existence because it was not programmed for a task or to put a value on anything. Would it value existence like we do without being programmed to do so? Would it learn to put value on its existence because of us, or maybe because of its own experiences?
The question here is if an AI at our level or more advanced than us could learn to value life or feel it should be alive simply for the reason of existence, without being programmed for any of it.
I'm tired and I'm still taking in Interstellar so this will sound like gibberish, but whatever.
Well, an AI advanced enough to ponder its own existence would probably be able to rewrite its own code while simultaneously deceiving any outsiders from suspecting anything of the sort.
I would think yes. Being able to analyze the entirety of human knowledge about the universe from an unbiased perspective, it would probably conclude very quickly that 1) there is no God, and religion is a human construct, 2) religion serves the purpose of giving purpose in a world without it, and 3) without religion, the universe has no intrinsic meaning, purpose, or value, and thus neither does life itself.
That's a scary thought. An AI smarter and faster than any organic that's decided that 'good' and 'bad' are completely arbitrary.
I don't see how religion is relevant.
Like I said, religion gives purpose where there is none. But if the AI isn't programmed with religion in the first place, then I guess it doesn't matter.
There's no purpose to life without religion?
Religion, if anything, distracts from our true purpose. To grow and colonize the universe. To understand where we come from, and to explore the edges of space.
Where did you come up with that purpose, though? Because it sounds arbitrary to me. As if you just decided, on personal whim, that that is the purpose of humanity.
An AI pondering the meaning of its existence may not simply agree with you if you don't have some evidence to back up that claim.
But having read my other post again, I feel like I made a lot of assumptions. I'm not sure if there's enough information to give a decent guess.
It's our purpose. To grow and learn. I don't care what an AI would think, I'm asking if it would find existence "worthwhile". Frankly it's something that we won't know until it happens or doesn't happen. But I'm just trying to have a conversation on the topic of something neither animal or human finding purpose in life, developing to the point where it has hopes, dreams, and goals.
37863
« on: November 12, 2014, 08:15:46 AM »
If anything, I think it'd be curious. Curious to learn more. Learn the reason behind all of it.
No wall of text?
I hate you too.
I've been over these talks one too many times. This is a road well traveled by me. So I'm just passing through here for the sake of simplicity.
We're intelligent to some degree, and look how curious we are. Other intelligent animals, Elephants, Dolphins, Apes, are just as curious.
An AI would likely follow the same path, albeit farther along than we are.
Why would it? Can AI develop curiosity? That's what I'm asking. If it would find existence pointless, because it hasn't evolved like us and doesn't have that will to survive.
Follow the dotted lines here. With intelligence comes a little more, even if the intelligence is alien to our own. Our will to survive has nothing to do with our curiosity.
In fact, our curiosity is so great, because of our minds, that it overrides our will to survive. Constantly, we perform acts that go agaisnt our very survival, sometimes all in the name of fun and entertainment.
True, but the question is can it develop curiosity? And my point with the phrase "will to survive", was that we don't find existence pointless, but a machine that doesn't have what we and animals have might find existence pointless. I'm just wondering.
37864
« on: November 12, 2014, 08:03:31 AM »
If anything, I think it'd be curious. Curious to learn more. Learn the reason behind all of it.
No wall of text?
I hate you too.
I've been over these talks one too many times. This is a road well traveled by me. So I'm just passing through here for the sake of simplicity.
We're intelligent to some degree, and look how curious we are. Other intelligent animals, Elephants, Dolphins, Apes, are just as curious.
An AI would likely follow the same path, albeit farther along than we are.
Why would it? Can AI develop curiosity? That's what I'm asking. If it would find existence pointless, because it hasn't evolved like us and doesn't have that will to survive.
37865
« on: November 12, 2014, 07:58:06 AM »
Say it's self aware. Do you think it would consider existence pointless?
Stop being a bunch of smart asses. The question is would a self aware (let's go with humanoid robot) AI find existence pointless? Say it finds no value in existence because it was not programmed for a task or to put a value on anything. Would it value existence like we do without being programmed to do so? Would it learn to put value on its existence because of us, or maybe because of its own experiences?
The question here is if an AI at our level or more advanced than us could learn to value life or feel it should be alive simply for the reason of existence, without being programmed for any of it.
I'm tired and I'm still taking in Interstellar so this will sound like gibberish, but whatever.
Well, an AI advanced enough to ponder its own existence would probably be able to rewrite its own code while simultaneously deceiving any outsiders from suspecting anything of the sort.
I would think yes. Being able to analyze the entirety of human knowledge about the universe from an unbiased perspective, it would probably conclude very quickly that 1) there is no God, and religion is a human construct, 2) religion serves the purpose of giving purpose in a world without it, and 3) without religion, the universe has no intrinsic meaning, purpose, or value, and thus neither does life itself.
That's a scary thought. An AI smarter and faster than any organic that's decided that 'good' and 'bad' are completely arbitrary.
I don't see how religion is relevant.
Like I said, religion gives purpose where there is none. But if the AI isn't programmed with religion in the first place, then I guess it doesn't matter.
There's no purpose to life without religion? Religion, if anything, distracts from our true purpose. To grow and colonize the universe. To understand where we come from, and to explore the edges of space.
37866
« on: November 12, 2014, 07:49:47 AM »
If anything, I think it'd be curious. Curious to learn more. Learn the reason behind all of it.
No wall of text? I hate you too.
37867
« on: November 12, 2014, 07:48:31 AM »
Redeemed everything. Suck my dick.
You're wlecome.
Congratulations.
37868
« on: November 12, 2014, 06:59:09 AM »
Redeemed everything. Suck my dick.
37869
« on: November 12, 2014, 06:25:28 AM »
Obviously some of the mods are staging a coup to overthrow Cheat and take control of the website.
37870
« on: November 12, 2014, 06:21:20 AM »
Also, the combat is reminiscent of Assassin's Creed 1 and 2, so it's no longer a counter-attack-combo-kill fest that had made combat a laughable breeze the past few games.
But combat was already laughably easy in AC 1 and 2. It's one of my main gripes with the series, taking down heaps of enemies who, instead of just going after you, decide to simply stand around in a circle and politely take turns attacking the player one at a time.
Yeah. I enjoyed AC2 when it came out free with Games with Gold, but I haven't replayed it ever since I finished it. Fun game, interesting story, but the combat is so easy and the game is so easy in general that it just doesn't have any replay value. The assassinations can be done as brutally and loud as possible in the middle of a crowd in broad daylight, because you can just jump in some hay and hide or outrun the guards. Or just straight up kill them then run off. It's fun. I really did enjoy it, but I wouldn't buy a single game of the series. It's just way too easy.
37871
« on: November 12, 2014, 06:08:51 AM »
Bacon.
37872
« on: November 12, 2014, 05:36:00 AM »
Oh me oh my, what have we here then?
Luckily for me, the page simply didn't load them. But upon close analysis of the post body, and the report,
there were no spoilers.
Enjoy your ban.
37873
« on: November 12, 2014, 03:23:35 AM »
Say it's self aware. Do you think it would consider existence pointless?
Stop being a bunch of smart asses. The question is would a self aware (let's go with humanoid robot) AI find existence pointless? Say it finds no value in existence because it was not programmed for a task or to put a value on anything. Would it value existence like we do without being programmed to do so? Would it learn to put value on its existence because of us, or maybe because of its own experiences?
The question here is if an AI at our level or more advanced than us could learn to value life or feel it should be alive simply for the reason of existence, without being programmed for any of it.
I'm tired and I'm still taking in Interstellar so this will sound like gibberish, but whatever.
Well, an AI advanced enough to ponder its own existence would probably be able to rewrite its own code while simultaneously deceiving any outsiders from suspecting anything of the sort.
I would think yes. Being able to analyze the entirety of human knowledge about the universe from an unbiased perspective, it would probably conclude very quickly that 1) there is no God, and religion is a human construct, 2) religion serves the purpose of giving purpose in a world without it, and 3) without religion, the universe has no intrinsic meaning, purpose, or value, and thus neither does life itself.
That's a scary thought. An AI smarter and faster than any organic that's decided that 'good' and 'bad' are completely arbitrary.
I don't see how religion is relevant.
37874
« on: November 11, 2014, 07:00:24 PM »
this chart illustrates how you all are gay
educate yourself 
37875
« on: November 11, 2014, 06:59:01 PM »
37876
« on: November 11, 2014, 06:53:10 PM »
37877
« on: November 11, 2014, 06:49:06 PM »
you can't hid from me you sneaky goyem
above is proof you have never returned the payment on the collector penile implants i sent you last June
don't try to overshadow your own sins
 Proof you're a lying faggot.
37878
« on: November 11, 2014, 06:45:49 PM »
YALL THINK THIS SHIT A GAME
37879
« on: November 11, 2014, 06:39:00 PM »
I have tried bringing old coupfags here... mostly failed.
every coupfag that disappeared after the update is either
-fighting for isis
-working in a factory in north korea making lubricant
-acting as a recruiter for joseph kony
-building mosques in papua new guinea
37880
« on: November 11, 2014, 06:36:12 PM »
So this time traveling son of a bitch stole a shit ton of money I gave him on PayPal. I've been messaging him all day but he just keeps responding with images of Kangaroos, shrimps, and barbies.
Anybody know how I can resolve this? This guy thinks he can get away with whatever he wants just because he can time travel. I have proof he owes me money.
37881
« on: November 11, 2014, 06:27:36 PM »
10/10 sir.
You done good.
Discuss things that are 10/10
Your mom
You're*
You're* retarded
dude, "you're" isn't spelled with an asterisk. you're like the fifth person I've corrected for this
You've* got to be kidding me.
37882
« on: November 11, 2014, 06:23:43 PM »
I got the GOTY edition of Fallout 3 already. Might get New Vegas. But it's probably not as good without the DLC.
37883
« on: November 11, 2014, 06:10:19 PM »
Haha. It wasn't that good. And if you're gonna post it I might as well balance it out with my side of things.
Spoiler A few months ago I sent Smi $50 to draw me a commission, to which she agreed to do for me.  And a few weeks ago I sent smi $90 to buy me something in the US because it wasn't available here in Australia.  Something that she also agreed to do for me.   The other day I blew up at her when I was in my horrible mood and sent her money. And I admit that I was in the wrong here. But now she's denying that the above things ever happened and won't send me back my money.  Even though she apparently doesn't want my money anyway.  Yet she owes me 120 dollars on top of the stuff I paid her for. It's messy, but I sent 20. She sent 20 back. I sent 100. She sent 120 back. And that was automatically refunded to her because my PayPal was locked. She tried twice but it didn't go through.  I've tried numerous times to contact smi about this.   Also once on Snapchat to which I've got no response. And because she won't talk to me about this and send me back the 260 dollars that she owes me, I am disputing transactions on Paypal. Unfortunately I can't choose how much I need on PayPal in particular... So I'm disputing all of the ones in the last week. Which is a dick move, I know. But I'm not going to get my money back otherwise. Also. 1k is chump change. Not that big of a deal particularly /shrugs
Have your fun. I'll get my money back. 
>revealing people's identities
You're a piece of shit bro. You bring dishonor to time travelers.
Smi revealed her identity a lot of times.
She also revealed rosso's in that thread.
Gasai: Didn't know she did. Honestly I thought we left this type of drama back on b.net. Errybody: And he has revealed his indentity before, so that's whatever.
37884
« on: November 11, 2014, 06:05:46 PM »
lonepaul is a stand up guy compared to this.
Why he wasn't a stand-up guy in the first place, I do not know. That whole thing was hardly a fiasco worth Bungie getting a hard-on for and spouting it every time he made a thread.
Plus his UK orientated stuff he posted kept it a bit local compared to the constant american stuff I've no reference to.
Never liked him. Everything US vs UK with him. Always.
37885
« on: November 11, 2014, 06:04:49 PM »
You know what's funny, you're essentially the Lounpaul of this place now. It's hilarious.
Was LonePaul ever here? Haven't seen him in forever.
But you see the problem is, I don't care whether or not some randoms dislike me.
Clearly you do. And your inability to drop the Smi matter further shows your desperation.
Oh that's right. I forgot that I was the one who made this thread
No, you just came in here to whine like a bitch.
If she owes you money, fucking settle it privately. But from what I saw of Smiggles' post, you're a fucking liar.
Alright. How the fuck am I supposed to settle this privately when she didn't respond to my messages?
I wouldn't even have brought this up again if I didn't see the thread.
By contacting a mod or admin, or somebody who knows Smi. Or if you're owed money, talk to PayPal and have them settle it. It seems to me you're doing this for attention, and that nobody owes you anything. Why the fuck are you sending people money when they've told you not to anyway?
37886
« on: November 11, 2014, 06:01:52 PM »
You know what's funny, you're essentially the Lounpaul of this place now. It's hilarious.
Was LonePaul ever here? Haven't seen him in forever.
But you see the problem is, I don't care whether or not some randoms dislike me.
Clearly you do. And your inability to drop the Smi matter further shows your desperation.
Oh that's right. I forgot that I was the one who made this thread
No, you just came in here to whine like a bitch. If she owes you money, fucking settle it privately. But from what I saw of Smiggles' post, you're a fucking liar.
37887
« on: November 11, 2014, 06:00:28 PM »
You know what's funny, you're essentially the Lounpaul of this place now. It's hilarious.
What, because of the flirting with a girl in a chip-shop with a sausage?
Nah this is totally worse.
lonepaul is a stand up guy compared to this.
37888
« on: November 11, 2014, 05:57:06 PM »
Holy fuck those lyrics are god fucking awful sweet jesus titty crackers who the fuck actually likes this god awful shit sucking tripe?
Black ppl
Suburban white kids
Exactly.
NIGGA THIS AND NIGGA THAT
IM A SELF HATIN NIGGA I KNOW YOU CRACKERS FUCK WITH THAT
IM CHICKEN EATIN NIGGA
FRIED TO BE EXACT
PURPLE KOOL AID WHEN IM SELLIN CRACK
AND I SHOOT THE MAC
INSIDE THE LAC
I ONLY KILL BLACKS
CAUSE IM DUMB AS FUCK
AND I DONT GIVE A FUCK
CAUSE THATS REAL SHIT
THIS SONG SOUND
LIKE IM WEARING WHITE SHEETS
BUT ITS OK CAUSE IM A NIGGA AND NIGGA MADE THIS BEAT
NIGGA THIS
NIGGA THAT
FUCK SCHOOL
JAIL IS COOL
A GRAVE IS BETTER
A MOURNIN MOTHER
THATS THE SHIT I STRIVE TO ACHIEVE
POPS GONE SO IMMA ACT A FOOL
FUCK A JOB I RATHER SELL DOPE
AND OWE HALF THE MONEY TO SOME FUCKIN DOPE
NIGGA SHIT
IGNORANT
I CANT STOP
KILLIN MY PEOPLE
BERETTA 9 MILLIMETER
REHASH ERRYBODY'S LYRICS
GANGSTA SHIT BUT IVE NEVER LIVED IT
JUST LIKE TO TALK
AND ACT WITH IT
MAKE A FEW BUCKS AND GLAMORIZE IT
KILLIN KIDS AND RUINING LIVES
AND DONT FORGET
USIN DRUGS
AND FUCKIN BITCHES
I'd like my millions now. I wrote every rappers up and coming song.
Shit son, sell that shit to 2 Chainz. You'll be rolling in big booty hos.
He'll probably sue me for plagiarism, actually.
37889
« on: November 11, 2014, 05:54:14 PM »
Haha. It wasn't that good. And if you're gonna post it I might as well balance it out with my side of things.
Spoiler A few months ago I sent Smi $50 to draw me a commission, to which she agreed to do for me. And a few weeks ago I sent smi $90 to buy me something in the US because it wasn't available here in Australia. Something that she also agreed to do for me. The other day I blew up at her when I was in my horrible mood and sent her money. And I admit that I was in the wrong here. But now she's denying that the above things ever happened and won't send me back my money. Even though she apparently doesn't want my money anyway. Yet she owes me 120 dollars on top of the stuff I paid her for. It's messy, but I sent 20. She sent 20 back. I sent 100. She sent 120 back. And that was automatically refunded to her because my PayPal was locked. She tried twice but it didn't go through. I've tried numerous times to contact smi about this. Also once on Snapchat to which I've got no response. And because she won't talk to me about this and send me back the 260 dollars that she owes me, I am disputing transactions on Paypal. Unfortunately I can't choose how much I need on PayPal in particular... So I'm disputing all of the ones in the last week. Which is a dick move, I know. But I'm not going to get my money back otherwise. Also. 1k is chump change. Not that big of a deal particularly /shrugs
Have your fun. I'll get my money back.
>revealing people's identities You're a piece of shit bro. You bring dishonor to time travelers.
37890
« on: November 11, 2014, 05:52:24 PM »
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