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37831
« on: November 12, 2014, 01:19:46 PM »
Damn.
That's one job that seriously needs to be automated. Risking your life to wash a window is the most ridiculous thing in the world.
37832
« on: November 12, 2014, 01:15:22 PM »
This photo was actually taken during a reshoot for the special editions, and the original actor looked like this:
Humanity Restored
37833
« on: November 12, 2014, 12:48:38 PM »
FUCK SCHOOL
37834
« on: November 12, 2014, 12:45:06 PM »
This thread is full of love, compassion, and understanding.
Shut the fuck up, neighbor.
Racist much?
Reported.
Reported for questioning me.
Reported for attempting censorship.
37835
« on: November 12, 2014, 12:44:16 PM »
So you're the bastard?
I now know that you hold a grudge against me, fucker.
Why are you so mad? I made one post today, and it wasn't a shit post, so it's obvious that repressed feelings are coming out.
Why this hatred? Can't you leave things in the past? Are you this immature?
You don't know how it feels man, you wren't there.
NOTHING IS OVER
No need to be mad.
>Rambo reference >your head
37836
« on: November 12, 2014, 12:43:13 PM »
How about you guys get rid of the fucking Republicans and save your country.
Edit: LOL I said we've instead of save.
Republicans will exist as long as the baby boomers exist, just got to wait for a bit when all of us atheists liberals on forums become old enough to be able to hold a position in politics, sorry.
hurr durr generalizations
Seriously though save your country. Faggot.
Who you calling a faggot, nigger?
Reported for homophobia.
Reported for being literally a nigger.
Reported for reporting for an illegitimate reason and being autistic.
Reported for making me fall in love with you.
 Reported for having me at hello.
37837
« on: November 12, 2014, 12:41:29 PM »
This thread is full of love, compassion, and understanding.
Shut the fuck up, neighbor.
Racist much? Reported.
37838
« on: November 12, 2014, 12:40:44 PM »
How about you guys get rid of the fucking Republicans and save your country.
Edit: LOL I said we've instead of save.
Republicans will exist as long as the baby boomers exist, just got to wait for a bit when all of us atheists liberals on forums become old enough to be able to hold a position in politics, sorry.
hurr durr generalizations
Seriously though save your country. Faggot.
Really wasn't so much a generalization as it was an observation. This generation is both more liberal and non-religious then previous ones. This could be largely attributed to the internet which has allowed for people to do research and make more non-bias judgments on things rather than purely being indoctrinated into the same mindset that your parents had. I doubt any significant change will happen until the next generation takes over.
Ok friend. pls vote 4 dems
37839
« on: November 12, 2014, 12:39:49 PM »
How about you guys get rid of the fucking Republicans and save your country.
Edit: LOL I said we've instead of save.
Republicans will exist as long as the baby boomers exist, just got to wait for a bit when all of us atheists liberals on forums become old enough to be able to hold a position in politics, sorry.
hurr durr generalizations
Seriously though save your country. Faggot.
Who you calling a faggot, nigger?
Reported for homophobia.
Reported for being literally a nigger.
Reported for reporting for an illegitimate reason and being autistic.
37840
« on: November 12, 2014, 12:37:06 PM »
How about you guys get rid of the fucking Republicans and save your country.
Edit: LOL I said we've instead of save.
Republicans will exist as long as the baby boomers exist, just got to wait for a bit when all of us atheists liberals on forums become old enough to be able to hold a position in politics, sorry.
hurr durr generalizations
Seriously though save your country. Faggot.
Who you calling a faggot, nigger?
Reported for homophobia.
37841
« on: November 12, 2014, 12:36:36 PM »
Fuck people who voted literally. They are literally retarded.
Literally.
37842
« on: November 12, 2014, 12:34:46 PM »
Shit like this pushes me away from the Republicans.
If only you could have a moderate combination of Republicans and Democrats. . .
I've been embarrassed to be associated with republicans for many years now, I just disagree with too much democratic policy and attitude to register as one.
OT: Nuclear, motherfuckers
Lesser of two evils mang.
37843
« on: November 12, 2014, 12:33:28 PM »
How about you guys get rid of the fucking Republicans and save your country.
Edit: LOL I said we've instead of save.
Republicans will exist as long as the baby boomers exist, just got to wait for a bit when all of us atheists liberals on forums become old enough to be able to hold a position in politics, sorry.
hurr durr generalizations Seriously though save your country. Faggot.
37844
« on: November 12, 2014, 12:32:08 PM »
Nah.
37845
« on: November 12, 2014, 12:28:46 PM »
How about you guys get rid of the fucking Republicans and save your country.
Edit: LOL I said we've instead of save.
37846
« on: November 12, 2014, 12:16:55 PM »
Fucking Nazi Obama.
37847
« on: November 12, 2014, 12:10:06 PM »
DAYUM WHAT THE FUCK
37848
« on: November 12, 2014, 12:08:01 PM »
So you're the bastard?
I now know that you hold a grudge against me, fucker.
Why are you so mad? I made one post today, and it wasn't a shit post, so it's obvious that repressed feelings are coming out.
Why this hatred? Can't you leave things in the past? Are you this immature?
You don't know how it feels man, you wren't there.
NOTHING IS OVER
37849
« on: November 12, 2014, 12:04:04 PM »
So you're the bastard?
I now know that you hold a grudge against me, fucker.
Why are you so mad? I made one post today, and it wasn't a shit post, so it's obvious that repressed feelings are coming out. Why this hatred? Can't you leave things in the past? Are you this immature?
37850
« on: November 12, 2014, 11:48:28 AM »
Say it's self aware. Do you think it would consider existence pointless?
Stop being a bunch of smart asses. The question is would a self aware (let's go with humanoid robot) AI find existence pointless? Say it finds no value in existence because it was not programmed for a task or to put a value on anything. Would it value existence like we do without being programmed to do so? Would it learn to put value on its existence because of us, or maybe because of its own experiences?
The question here is if an AI at our level or more advanced than us could learn to value life or feel it should be alive simply for the reason of existence, without being programmed for any of it.
I'm tired and I'm still taking in Interstellar so this will sound like gibberish, but whatever.
Well, an AI advanced enough to ponder its own existence would probably be able to rewrite its own code while simultaneously deceiving any outsiders from suspecting anything of the sort.
I would think yes. Being able to analyze the entirety of human knowledge about the universe from an unbiased perspective, it would probably conclude very quickly that 1) there is no God, and religion is a human construct, 2) religion serves the purpose of giving purpose in a world without it, and 3) without religion, the universe has no intrinsic meaning, purpose, or value, and thus neither does life itself.
That's a scary thought. An AI smarter and faster than any organic that's decided that 'good' and 'bad' are completely arbitrary.
I don't see how religion is relevant.
Like I said, religion gives purpose where there is none. But if the AI isn't programmed with religion in the first place, then I guess it doesn't matter.
There's no purpose to life without religion?
Religion, if anything, distracts from our true purpose. To grow and colonize the universe. To understand where we come from, and to explore the edges of space.
Where did you come up with that purpose, though? Because it sounds arbitrary to me. As if you just decided, on personal whim, that that is the purpose of humanity.
An AI pondering the meaning of its existence may not simply agree with you if you don't have some evidence to back up that claim.
But having read my other post again, I feel like I made a lot of assumptions. I'm not sure if there's enough information to give a decent guess.
It's our purpose. To grow and learn.
I don't care what an AI would think, I'm asking if it would find existence "worthwhile". Frankly it's something that we won't know until it happens or doesn't happen.
But I'm just trying to have a conversation on the topic of something neither animal or human finding purpose in life, developing to the point where it has hopes, dreams, and goals.
Ok, two bones to pick:
1) But you can't just make a claim and expect any competent AI to believe it. That's not how logic works. If your AI believes you when you tell it the Earth is flat, you have failed the poor thing.
2) Understanding the answer to "what would an AI think?" is critical to understanding what an AI would decide about existence.
I don't think you're understanding the point of the thread.
I'm talking about AI. Not how AI would react if told the purpose of life or some shit. You're misunderstanding.
AI is all about perceiving its environment and the information it's given and reacting. If that's not the point of this thread, then I don't know what is.
Right.
I don't know why you're bringing religion and god into this though. It's totally irrelevant.
I think it's completely relevant. We have no reason to believe an AI would share our sense of morals. And when you think about it, there is no purpose to life other than those given by constructed beliefs, religious or otherwise.
A sufficiently advanced AI would probably be a nihilist, and that would be a humongous problem if it has the power to act on those beliefs. Completely unhinged from any morals whatsoever. Nothing has any purpose, so therefore nothing has any consequence.
I disagree. AI doesn't have to share our morals. It just wouldn't have a reason to harm us or even help us either, unless it's working towards a goal.
37851
« on: November 12, 2014, 11:37:40 AM »
Immunizations are the reason the peanut allergy exists.
37852
« on: November 12, 2014, 11:27:44 AM »
>implying I inject myself with autism
>implying you can inject what you already have
>implying autism isn't implanted in you as an infant by agents of the Obama regime
37853
« on: November 12, 2014, 11:26:00 AM »
Say it's self aware. Do you think it would consider existence pointless?
Stop being a bunch of smart asses. The question is would a self aware (let's go with humanoid robot) AI find existence pointless? Say it finds no value in existence because it was not programmed for a task or to put a value on anything. Would it value existence like we do without being programmed to do so? Would it learn to put value on its existence because of us, or maybe because of its own experiences?
The question here is if an AI at our level or more advanced than us could learn to value life or feel it should be alive simply for the reason of existence, without being programmed for any of it.
I'm tired and I'm still taking in Interstellar so this will sound like gibberish, but whatever.
Well, an AI advanced enough to ponder its own existence would probably be able to rewrite its own code while simultaneously deceiving any outsiders from suspecting anything of the sort.
I would think yes. Being able to analyze the entirety of human knowledge about the universe from an unbiased perspective, it would probably conclude very quickly that 1) there is no God, and religion is a human construct, 2) religion serves the purpose of giving purpose in a world without it, and 3) without religion, the universe has no intrinsic meaning, purpose, or value, and thus neither does life itself.
That's a scary thought. An AI smarter and faster than any organic that's decided that 'good' and 'bad' are completely arbitrary.
I don't see how religion is relevant.
Like I said, religion gives purpose where there is none. But if the AI isn't programmed with religion in the first place, then I guess it doesn't matter.
There's no purpose to life without religion?
Religion, if anything, distracts from our true purpose. To grow and colonize the universe. To understand where we come from, and to explore the edges of space.
Where did you come up with that purpose, though? Because it sounds arbitrary to me. As if you just decided, on personal whim, that that is the purpose of humanity.
An AI pondering the meaning of its existence may not simply agree with you if you don't have some evidence to back up that claim.
But having read my other post again, I feel like I made a lot of assumptions. I'm not sure if there's enough information to give a decent guess.
It's our purpose. To grow and learn.
I don't care what an AI would think, I'm asking if it would find existence "worthwhile". Frankly it's something that we won't know until it happens or doesn't happen.
But I'm just trying to have a conversation on the topic of something neither animal or human finding purpose in life, developing to the point where it has hopes, dreams, and goals.
Ok, two bones to pick:
1) But you can't just make a claim and expect any competent AI to believe it. That's not how logic works. If your AI believes you when you tell it the Earth is flat, you have failed the poor thing.
2) Understanding the answer to "what would an AI think?" is critical to understanding what an AI would decide about existence.
I don't think you're understanding the point of the thread.
I'm talking about AI. Not how AI would react if told the purpose of life or some shit. You're misunderstanding.
AI is all about perceiving its environment and the information it's given and reacting. If that's not the point of this thread, then I don't know what is.
Right. I don't know why you're bringing religion and god into this though. It's totally irrelevant.
37854
« on: November 12, 2014, 10:36:04 AM »
Awesome.
37855
« on: November 12, 2014, 10:31:42 AM »
If anything, I think it'd be curious. Curious to learn more. Learn the reason behind all of it.
No wall of text?
I hate you too.
I've been over these talks one too many times. This is a road well traveled by me. So I'm just passing through here for the sake of simplicity.
We're intelligent to some degree, and look how curious we are. Other intelligent animals, Elephants, Dolphins, Apes, are just as curious.
An AI would likely follow the same path, albeit farther along than we are.
Why would it? Can AI develop curiosity? That's what I'm asking. If it would find existence pointless, because it hasn't evolved like us and doesn't have that will to survive.
Follow the dotted lines here. With intelligence comes a little more, even if the intelligence is alien to our own. Our will to survive has nothing to do with our curiosity.
In fact, our curiosity is so great, because of our minds, that it overrides our will to survive. Constantly, we perform acts that go agaisnt our very survival, sometimes all in the name of fun and entertainment.
True, but the question is can it develop curiosity?
And my point with the phrase "will to survive", was that we don't find existence pointless, but a machine that doesn't have what we and animals have might find existence pointless. I'm just wondering.
I can't give a rightful answer because we have nothing to compare it with. However, if we look at things logically, it's safe to assume that anything intelligent, especially sentient, would develop traits of it's own.
Look at animals for instance. Elephants, dogs, cats. They all have personalities. And it's irrefutable. They have distinct personalities, actions, likings, dislikes. And supposedly, they're below us on the scale of intelligence.
Therefore, something like an advanced AI would likely develop something to call its own as well. Untill it actually happens, I can't say for sure. But looking at what we currently have as examples says yes to me.
But they're animals. It's not the same. AI could be told it is created by us. There would be proof. If we tell it we did not design or create it for a specific purpose, not having been designed with a purpose or with self preservation and curiosity, would it consider existence pointless? This is what has kept me thinking. Theoretically yes, but not having a purpose and being a learning machine, it would probably find purpose in learning and develop curiosity, then self preservation because it considers knowledge valuable and would not want to lose its knowledge or capacity to gain knowledge, then maybe even greed.
37856
« on: November 12, 2014, 10:23:04 AM »
Say it's self aware. Do you think it would consider existence pointless?
Stop being a bunch of smart asses. The question is would a self aware (let's go with humanoid robot) AI find existence pointless? Say it finds no value in existence because it was not programmed for a task or to put a value on anything. Would it value existence like we do without being programmed to do so? Would it learn to put value on its existence because of us, or maybe because of its own experiences?
The question here is if an AI at our level or more advanced than us could learn to value life or feel it should be alive simply for the reason of existence, without being programmed for any of it.
I'm tired and I'm still taking in Interstellar so this will sound like gibberish, but whatever.
Well, an AI advanced enough to ponder its own existence would probably be able to rewrite its own code while simultaneously deceiving any outsiders from suspecting anything of the sort.
I would think yes. Being able to analyze the entirety of human knowledge about the universe from an unbiased perspective, it would probably conclude very quickly that 1) there is no God, and religion is a human construct, 2) religion serves the purpose of giving purpose in a world without it, and 3) without religion, the universe has no intrinsic meaning, purpose, or value, and thus neither does life itself.
That's a scary thought. An AI smarter and faster than any organic that's decided that 'good' and 'bad' are completely arbitrary.
I don't see how religion is relevant.
Like I said, religion gives purpose where there is none. But if the AI isn't programmed with religion in the first place, then I guess it doesn't matter.
There's no purpose to life without religion?
Religion, if anything, distracts from our true purpose. To grow and colonize the universe. To understand where we come from, and to explore the edges of space.
Where did you come up with that purpose, though? Because it sounds arbitrary to me. As if you just decided, on personal whim, that that is the purpose of humanity.
An AI pondering the meaning of its existence may not simply agree with you if you don't have some evidence to back up that claim.
But having read my other post again, I feel like I made a lot of assumptions. I'm not sure if there's enough information to give a decent guess.
It's our purpose. To grow and learn.
I don't care what an AI would think, I'm asking if it would find existence "worthwhile". Frankly it's something that we won't know until it happens or doesn't happen.
But I'm just trying to have a conversation on the topic of something neither animal or human finding purpose in life, developing to the point where it has hopes, dreams, and goals.
Ok, two bones to pick:
1) But you can't just make a claim and expect any competent AI to believe it. That's not how logic works. If your AI believes you when you tell it the Earth is flat, you have failed the poor thing.
2) Understanding the answer to "what would an AI think?" is critical to understanding what an AI would decide about existence.
I don't think you're understanding the point of the thread. I'm talking about AI. Not how AI would react if told the purpose of life or some shit. You're misunderstanding.
37857
« on: November 12, 2014, 08:20:28 AM »
Say it's self aware. Do you think it would consider existence pointless?
Stop being a bunch of smart asses. The question is would a self aware (let's go with humanoid robot) AI find existence pointless? Say it finds no value in existence because it was not programmed for a task or to put a value on anything. Would it value existence like we do without being programmed to do so? Would it learn to put value on its existence because of us, or maybe because of its own experiences?
The question here is if an AI at our level or more advanced than us could learn to value life or feel it should be alive simply for the reason of existence, without being programmed for any of it.
I'm tired and I'm still taking in Interstellar so this will sound like gibberish, but whatever.
Well, an AI advanced enough to ponder its own existence would probably be able to rewrite its own code while simultaneously deceiving any outsiders from suspecting anything of the sort.
I would think yes. Being able to analyze the entirety of human knowledge about the universe from an unbiased perspective, it would probably conclude very quickly that 1) there is no God, and religion is a human construct, 2) religion serves the purpose of giving purpose in a world without it, and 3) without religion, the universe has no intrinsic meaning, purpose, or value, and thus neither does life itself.
That's a scary thought. An AI smarter and faster than any organic that's decided that 'good' and 'bad' are completely arbitrary.
I don't see how religion is relevant.
Like I said, religion gives purpose where there is none. But if the AI isn't programmed with religion in the first place, then I guess it doesn't matter.
There's no purpose to life without religion?
Religion, if anything, distracts from our true purpose. To grow and colonize the universe. To understand where we come from, and to explore the edges of space.
Where did you come up with that purpose, though? Because it sounds arbitrary to me. As if you just decided, on personal whim, that that is the purpose of humanity.
An AI pondering the meaning of its existence may not simply agree with you if you don't have some evidence to back up that claim.
But having read my other post again, I feel like I made a lot of assumptions. I'm not sure if there's enough information to give a decent guess.
It's our purpose. To grow and learn. I don't care what an AI would think, I'm asking if it would find existence "worthwhile". Frankly it's something that we won't know until it happens or doesn't happen. But I'm just trying to have a conversation on the topic of something neither animal or human finding purpose in life, developing to the point where it has hopes, dreams, and goals.
37858
« on: November 12, 2014, 08:15:46 AM »
If anything, I think it'd be curious. Curious to learn more. Learn the reason behind all of it.
No wall of text?
I hate you too.
I've been over these talks one too many times. This is a road well traveled by me. So I'm just passing through here for the sake of simplicity.
We're intelligent to some degree, and look how curious we are. Other intelligent animals, Elephants, Dolphins, Apes, are just as curious.
An AI would likely follow the same path, albeit farther along than we are.
Why would it? Can AI develop curiosity? That's what I'm asking. If it would find existence pointless, because it hasn't evolved like us and doesn't have that will to survive.
Follow the dotted lines here. With intelligence comes a little more, even if the intelligence is alien to our own. Our will to survive has nothing to do with our curiosity.
In fact, our curiosity is so great, because of our minds, that it overrides our will to survive. Constantly, we perform acts that go agaisnt our very survival, sometimes all in the name of fun and entertainment.
True, but the question is can it develop curiosity? And my point with the phrase "will to survive", was that we don't find existence pointless, but a machine that doesn't have what we and animals have might find existence pointless. I'm just wondering.
37859
« on: November 12, 2014, 08:03:31 AM »
If anything, I think it'd be curious. Curious to learn more. Learn the reason behind all of it.
No wall of text?
I hate you too.
I've been over these talks one too many times. This is a road well traveled by me. So I'm just passing through here for the sake of simplicity.
We're intelligent to some degree, and look how curious we are. Other intelligent animals, Elephants, Dolphins, Apes, are just as curious.
An AI would likely follow the same path, albeit farther along than we are.
Why would it? Can AI develop curiosity? That's what I'm asking. If it would find existence pointless, because it hasn't evolved like us and doesn't have that will to survive.
37860
« on: November 12, 2014, 07:58:06 AM »
Say it's self aware. Do you think it would consider existence pointless?
Stop being a bunch of smart asses. The question is would a self aware (let's go with humanoid robot) AI find existence pointless? Say it finds no value in existence because it was not programmed for a task or to put a value on anything. Would it value existence like we do without being programmed to do so? Would it learn to put value on its existence because of us, or maybe because of its own experiences?
The question here is if an AI at our level or more advanced than us could learn to value life or feel it should be alive simply for the reason of existence, without being programmed for any of it.
I'm tired and I'm still taking in Interstellar so this will sound like gibberish, but whatever.
Well, an AI advanced enough to ponder its own existence would probably be able to rewrite its own code while simultaneously deceiving any outsiders from suspecting anything of the sort.
I would think yes. Being able to analyze the entirety of human knowledge about the universe from an unbiased perspective, it would probably conclude very quickly that 1) there is no God, and religion is a human construct, 2) religion serves the purpose of giving purpose in a world without it, and 3) without religion, the universe has no intrinsic meaning, purpose, or value, and thus neither does life itself.
That's a scary thought. An AI smarter and faster than any organic that's decided that 'good' and 'bad' are completely arbitrary.
I don't see how religion is relevant.
Like I said, religion gives purpose where there is none. But if the AI isn't programmed with religion in the first place, then I guess it doesn't matter.
There's no purpose to life without religion? Religion, if anything, distracts from our true purpose. To grow and colonize the universe. To understand where we come from, and to explore the edges of space.
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