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36601
« on: December 10, 2014, 03:18:24 PM »
They're people. Rehabilitation is far better than going to a shithole then coming out and living the same lifestyle.
Too fucking bad. People are responsible for their actions, nobody else. These same people, no matter how much rehab they will go through, will continue their path of being a career criminal
I didn't.
Stop acting like you know everything about criminology just because you're a freshman at a school studying it.
Ancedotal; Studies show a large portion of former prisoners get rearrested again, one by the BJS showing a staggering 67%
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rpr94.pdf
Sophomore, thank-you very much
Has it nevet occurred to you that recidivism is caused by the current paradigm? Which, y'know, barely even touches rehabilitation.
If it was, then recidivism would be like 100%. That 43% shows prison either deterred them from making another mistake or they sought help on their own initiative. You can't force a person to change and the only thing you can do is just place them back behind bars if they commit more crime.
People, especially cartel and gang members, are not afraid of prison because they still can continue to give orders in the prison and have correspondence with others
Can confirm. All gang members are just itching to go to jail, they were all waiting for the day their freedom would be taken and they couldn't eat good food or drive nice cars or even go hang out with their friends and especially not being able to make any money was the most appealing thing.
I'm so proud of you son. :^)
You seriously don't understand the mind of a criminal, don't you? Stealing a car or burglarizing a house if it means a couple years in the pen isn't big of a deal for criminals because they look at the long-time rewards for their actions, including respect and a higher position of power within their organization
If beating up somebody means I would have influence, then I'd do it; same with everybody else
You also don't understand the level of corruption in prisons
There's no long term reward for going to jail. My god, the shit you say is just insanely ignorant. Most everybody turns their back on people who get sent to prison and don't give a shit about them. Why the fuck do you think you always see gangsters writing shit like "free *insert name here*"? Because they like going to jail and there's a long term reward? Get the fuck outta here.
Stop reading these bullshit books and go do an interview or watch some interviews and educate yourself. Nobody wants to go to jail.
Why, once again, are you so damn butt flustered? Are you the one sitting in criminal justice classes? Are you the one getting a lecture from current and former cops? Are you the one reading criminal justice text books? No? Then you're the insanely ignorant one that says shit, not me
Sick rebuttal. I liked the part where you called me butthurt and referred to your biased college classes taught by police who want you to view the world the way they do. Nobody likes to go to jail. You gain nothing from it. Deal with it.
36602
« on: December 10, 2014, 03:15:43 PM »
This is about eradication of an extreme and dangerous sect and terrorist ideals.
Are we eradicating terrorism, or Islam in general?
Cause in either way, bombing countries, committing executions, etc. isn't the correct way to fix either problem.
If eliminating Islam is what it takes then I'm all for it. A large faction that stems terrorism will be gone and I will not weep tears.
You do realize bombs, guns, executions, and torture are not the ways to defeat a religion, correct?
If anything, you're only going to strengthen extremist resolve.
You're right, determination and longevity of dropping those bombs will defeat a religion. A war until they break their resolve. They sure as hell won't stop if we do. We should bomb them back into whatever stone age they're still stuck in, and then some.
Because nobody will mind America committing genocide or try to stop America.
Wow. This is just something else. Have you ever met any of these people you hate so much?
Once again, somebody has to do the dirty work, and it's often the United States. Let them hate us, but we just freed the modern civilized world from a bunch of terrorism for a long time.
Who says I hate them? I pity them, really. It doesn't change how I think we should deal with them though. Sorry you were born in the wrong place and wrong time, but you're not doing anything to change the terrorism going on in the world.
And there we have it. GG I'm far more an American than you will ever be in your entire life.
36603
« on: December 10, 2014, 03:14:04 PM »
Honestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.
ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians.
You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that.
>Icywind
>Being this liberal
What a surprise. Torture the bastards, I say
You realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.
1. You need proof they did that
2. Even if they did, it was for good reason
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse
http://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/faqs%3A-what-are-ghost-detentions-and-black-sites
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-cia-torture-report-what-you-need-to-know/
http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.html
You're seriously going to sit there and say torturing children is good and useful?
Torture gets shit done
Had you read my links, you jingoistic fucktard, you'd know that it accomplished close to nothing and made our standing in the world even less.
Please, explain how torturing a child is useful. I really want to see just how brainwashed and retarded you are.
Because that kid is probably already indoctrinated into being a terrorist anyway and could give intel on possible hideouts and movements
Also
>being this mad
>throwing out insults
Calm your tits you hippie, I haven't insulted you have I?
I'm a hippie because I don't advocate torturing children? You're a fucking monster. You should be thrown into jail.
Yeah, I'm sure torturing someone who has been taught to hate America will love America after he gets tortured by Americans. And I'm sure he's smart enough and informed about every plan by AQ. Foolproof.
Jesus motherfucking christ. "LETS TORTURE CHILDREN SO THEY WONT BE TERRURISTS HURR DURR FREEDUM"
I'm a monster? Or I just view the world for what it really is? Someone has to do the dirty work.
But that's my point, if they're taught to hate America it won't matter as is. And I never said they would be informed and know of plans, that sounds stupid. I mean indirect intel. Also, children shouldn't be the primary target since there are individuals of greater value to capture.
NO CHILDREN SHOULD BE TORTURED YOU FUCKING PSYCHO
Who the fuck were your parents, Nazis? You don't fucking treat children like that.
Yes, somebody does have to do the dirty work. Cleaning up this mess the CIA made which accomplished NOTHING. You torture a known terrorist who has killed or orchestrated plans to kill or knows about important targets. You don't harm children.
SOMETIMES CHILDREN DO, THOUGH, AND THEIR SACRIFICE IS FOR THE BETTER OF ALL
No, my parents are conservatives who watch Fox News.
Some people can't stomach the gritty work that needs to be done to keep the world a little more safe, and this is one of those jobs. Civilian involvement is inevitable.
Children don't have any valid information. It's just not even a trustworthy source when it comes to interrogation. How can you be this brainwashed? These were sadistic people who tortured children for fun and to get the parents to talk who were also innocent civilians. There's no fucking excuse.
Same difference.
This isn't "gritty work", you sheep. A child is not a valid source of information, especially under duress. This is a clear violation of rights and their humanity, and NOTHING was gained from it. Do you understand that? NOTHING WAS GAINED. Will children inevitably get caught in the crossfire of a battle? Yes. Is it inevitable we torture children for absolutely no reason? Absolutely not. There is nothing to gain and nothing was gained. All we did is make more enemies and justify their cause.
Children don't need valid information, they could also be used as a method of psychological warfare for the enemy. There are no rules in war, so why try to limit ourselves in our effectiveness? It would let the enemy know, hey, we're not fucking around, you're gonna get fucked.
If nothing else then, children can be and should be used in a way to terrorize enemy morale.
Yes there are rules in war. There are universal human rights that we as the supposed leaders of the free world shouldn't violate.
Thank goodness you're not in any position of power. All you'd do is have America eternally hated by more and more people. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Really, now? That's why our enemies completely follow the bullshit rules we've laid out? That's why they torture and kill our POWs, suicide bomb crowds of civilians, behead people while screaming ALLAH AKBAR, and so on and so forth. No, there are no rules, and never should be any guidelines for something as brutal as war. All bets are off and it should be whatever it takes to win, no matter the cost. THAT is war, and THAT is exactly how the terrorists are fighting it. So why aren't we? We should torture all the people we can if it will break their morale, we should parade their broken bodies in the streets. We should have mass executions in towns that hide terror scum so they know we won't fuck around. They want to bomb civilian areas? Then so will we.
I know fully well what I'm talking about, I know what war means. Too many people want it to be civilized when it's anything but.
"Let's stop terrorism and win over our enemies by having mass executions of innocent civilians and torturing children then parading their bodies through the the streets. God Bless America :^)"
Who said anything about winning them over? This is about eradication of an extreme and dangerous sect and terrorist ideals. We're not trying to win over anybody, let them hate America all they want if it means we've destroyed their idealistic bullshit once and for all. If it means killing off a huge amount of these crazy bastards, then do it. It's better for everyone in the long run.
Eradicating their hatred of America is what will stop them from attacking the West. Making them hate us more by killing innocent people will only justify their cause. They'll have won completely.
You don't destroy a fucked up ideology by senseless killing, you show them why they're wrong. You defend yourself in the meanwhile, but you don't kill civilians. Get that through your head.
They will never stop hating America. Also, I fail to see how they've have won "completely" just by us using methods that need to be used. It's like finding a blown in half terrorist about to die in the street, waving his arm angrily at us saying "Ha, jokes on you, we won!". Really? Tell that to the other half of your body, you're dead and so is your culture. Bombed to nonexistence.
Honestly, that might need to be done. We should probably just bomb whole areas to rubble and craters. A couple nukes in the East might do the trick just like it did to Japan.
The terrorists have already defeated you. You've become so full of fear and hatred that you advocate doing the same shit we've sworn to stop. Who are you to tell them not to throw acid in the face of a little girl when you would gladly torture and kill children? You're a lost cause.
36604
« on: December 10, 2014, 03:08:27 PM »
This is about eradication of an extreme and dangerous sect and terrorist ideals.
Are we eradicating terrorism, or Islam in general?
Cause in either way, bombing countries, committing executions, etc. isn't the correct way to fix either problem.
If eliminating Islam is what it takes then I'm all for it. A large faction that stems terrorism will be gone and I will not weep tears.
You do realize bombs, guns, executions, and torture are not the ways to defeat a religion, correct?
If anything, you're only going to strengthen extremist resolve.
You're right, determination and longevity of dropping those bombs will defeat a religion. A war until they break their resolve. They sure as hell won't stop if we do. We should bomb them back into whatever stone age they're still stuck in, and then some.
Because nobody will mind America committing genocide or try to stop America. Wow. This is just something else. Have you ever met any of these people you hate so much?
36605
« on: December 10, 2014, 03:05:12 PM »
Honestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.
ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians.
You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that.
>Icywind
>Being this liberal
What a surprise. Torture the bastards, I say
You realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.
1. You need proof they did that
2. Even if they did, it was for good reason
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse
http://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/faqs%3A-what-are-ghost-detentions-and-black-sites
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-cia-torture-report-what-you-need-to-know/
http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.html
You're seriously going to sit there and say torturing children is good and useful?
Torture gets shit done
Had you read my links, you jingoistic fucktard, you'd know that it accomplished close to nothing and made our standing in the world even less.
Please, explain how torturing a child is useful. I really want to see just how brainwashed and retarded you are.
Because that kid is probably already indoctrinated into being a terrorist anyway and could give intel on possible hideouts and movements
Also
>being this mad
>throwing out insults
Calm your tits you hippie, I haven't insulted you have I?
I'm a hippie because I don't advocate torturing children? You're a fucking monster. You should be thrown into jail.
Yeah, I'm sure torturing someone who has been taught to hate America will love America after he gets tortured by Americans. And I'm sure he's smart enough and informed about every plan by AQ. Foolproof.
Jesus motherfucking christ. "LETS TORTURE CHILDREN SO THEY WONT BE TERRURISTS HURR DURR FREEDUM"
I'm a monster? Or I just view the world for what it really is? Someone has to do the dirty work.
But that's my point, if they're taught to hate America it won't matter as is. And I never said they would be informed and know of plans, that sounds stupid. I mean indirect intel. Also, children shouldn't be the primary target since there are individuals of greater value to capture.
NO CHILDREN SHOULD BE TORTURED YOU FUCKING PSYCHO
Who the fuck were your parents, Nazis? You don't fucking treat children like that.
Yes, somebody does have to do the dirty work. Cleaning up this mess the CIA made which accomplished NOTHING. You torture a known terrorist who has killed or orchestrated plans to kill or knows about important targets. You don't harm children.
SOMETIMES CHILDREN DO, THOUGH, AND THEIR SACRIFICE IS FOR THE BETTER OF ALL
No, my parents are conservatives who watch Fox News.
Some people can't stomach the gritty work that needs to be done to keep the world a little more safe, and this is one of those jobs. Civilian involvement is inevitable.
Children don't have any valid information. It's just not even a trustworthy source when it comes to interrogation. How can you be this brainwashed? These were sadistic people who tortured children for fun and to get the parents to talk who were also innocent civilians. There's no fucking excuse.
Same difference.
This isn't "gritty work", you sheep. A child is not a valid source of information, especially under duress. This is a clear violation of rights and their humanity, and NOTHING was gained from it. Do you understand that? NOTHING WAS GAINED. Will children inevitably get caught in the crossfire of a battle? Yes. Is it inevitable we torture children for absolutely no reason? Absolutely not. There is nothing to gain and nothing was gained. All we did is make more enemies and justify their cause.
Children don't need valid information, they could also be used as a method of psychological warfare for the enemy. There are no rules in war, so why try to limit ourselves in our effectiveness? It would let the enemy know, hey, we're not fucking around, you're gonna get fucked.
If nothing else then, children can be and should be used in a way to terrorize enemy morale.
Yes there are rules in war. There are universal human rights that we as the supposed leaders of the free world shouldn't violate.
Thank goodness you're not in any position of power. All you'd do is have America eternally hated by more and more people. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Really, now? That's why our enemies completely follow the bullshit rules we've laid out? That's why they torture and kill our POWs, suicide bomb crowds of civilians, behead people while screaming ALLAH AKBAR, and so on and so forth. No, there are no rules, and never should be any guidelines for something as brutal as war. All bets are off and it should be whatever it takes to win, no matter the cost. THAT is war, and THAT is exactly how the terrorists are fighting it. So why aren't we? We should torture all the people we can if it will break their morale, we should parade their broken bodies in the streets. We should have mass executions in towns that hide terror scum so they know we won't fuck around. They want to bomb civilian areas? Then so will we.
I know fully well what I'm talking about, I know what war means. Too many people want it to be civilized when it's anything but.
"Let's stop terrorism and win over our enemies by having mass executions of innocent civilians and torturing children then parading their bodies through the the streets. God Bless America :^)"
Who said anything about winning them over? This is about eradication of an extreme and dangerous sect and terrorist ideals. We're not trying to win over anybody, let them hate America all they want if it means we've destroyed their idealistic bullshit once and for all. If it means killing off a huge amount of these crazy bastards, then do it. It's better for everyone in the long run.
Eradicating their hatred of America is what will stop them from attacking the West. Making them hate us more by killing innocent people will only justify their cause. They'll have won completely. You don't destroy a fucked up ideology by senseless killing, you show them why they're wrong. You defend yourself in the meanwhile, but you don't kill civilians. Get that through your head.
36606
« on: December 10, 2014, 03:01:45 PM »
They're people. Rehabilitation is far better than going to a shithole then coming out and living the same lifestyle.
Too fucking bad. People are responsible for their actions, nobody else. These same people, no matter how much rehab they will go through, will continue their path of being a career criminal
I didn't.
Stop acting like you know everything about criminology just because you're a freshman at a school studying it.
Ancedotal; Studies show a large portion of former prisoners get rearrested again, one by the BJS showing a staggering 67%
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rpr94.pdf
Sophomore, thank-you very much
Has it nevet occurred to you that recidivism is caused by the current paradigm? Which, y'know, barely even touches rehabilitation.
If it was, then recidivism would be like 100%. That 43% shows prison either deterred them from making another mistake or they sought help on their own initiative. You can't force a person to change and the only thing you can do is just place them back behind bars if they commit more crime.
People, especially cartel and gang members, are not afraid of prison because they still can continue to give orders in the prison and have correspondence with others
Can confirm. All gang members are just itching to go to jail, they were all waiting for the day their freedom would be taken and they couldn't eat good food or drive nice cars or even go hang out with their friends and especially not being able to make any money was the most appealing thing.
I'm so proud of you son. :^)
You seriously don't understand the mind of a criminal, don't you? Stealing a car or burglarizing a house if it means a couple years in the pen isn't big of a deal for criminals because they look at the long-time rewards for their actions, including respect and a higher position of power within their organization
If beating up somebody means I would have influence, then I'd do it; same with everybody else
You also don't understand the level of corruption in prisons
There's no long term reward for going to jail. My god, the shit you say is just insanely ignorant. Most everybody turns their back on people who get sent to prison and don't give a shit about them. Why the fuck do you think you always see gangsters writing shit like "free *insert name here*"? Because they like going to jail and there's a long term reward? Get the fuck outta here. Stop reading these bullshit books and go do an interview or watch some interviews and educate yourself. Nobody wants to go to jail.
36607
« on: December 10, 2014, 02:55:43 PM »
Honestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.
ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians.
You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that.
>Icywind
>Being this liberal
What a surprise. Torture the bastards, I say
You realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.
1. You need proof they did that
2. Even if they did, it was for good reason
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse
http://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/faqs%3A-what-are-ghost-detentions-and-black-sites
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-cia-torture-report-what-you-need-to-know/
http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.html
You're seriously going to sit there and say torturing children is good and useful?
Torture gets shit done
Had you read my links, you jingoistic fucktard, you'd know that it accomplished close to nothing and made our standing in the world even less.
Please, explain how torturing a child is useful. I really want to see just how brainwashed and retarded you are.
Because that kid is probably already indoctrinated into being a terrorist anyway and could give intel on possible hideouts and movements
Also
>being this mad
>throwing out insults
Calm your tits you hippie, I haven't insulted you have I?
I'm a hippie because I don't advocate torturing children? You're a fucking monster. You should be thrown into jail.
Yeah, I'm sure torturing someone who has been taught to hate America will love America after he gets tortured by Americans. And I'm sure he's smart enough and informed about every plan by AQ. Foolproof.
Jesus motherfucking christ. "LETS TORTURE CHILDREN SO THEY WONT BE TERRURISTS HURR DURR FREEDUM"
I'm a monster? Or I just view the world for what it really is? Someone has to do the dirty work.
But that's my point, if they're taught to hate America it won't matter as is. And I never said they would be informed and know of plans, that sounds stupid. I mean indirect intel. Also, children shouldn't be the primary target since there are individuals of greater value to capture.
NO CHILDREN SHOULD BE TORTURED YOU FUCKING PSYCHO
Who the fuck were your parents, Nazis? You don't fucking treat children like that.
Yes, somebody does have to do the dirty work. Cleaning up this mess the CIA made which accomplished NOTHING. You torture a known terrorist who has killed or orchestrated plans to kill or knows about important targets. You don't harm children.
SOMETIMES CHILDREN DO, THOUGH, AND THEIR SACRIFICE IS FOR THE BETTER OF ALL
No, my parents are conservatives who watch Fox News.
Some people can't stomach the gritty work that needs to be done to keep the world a little more safe, and this is one of those jobs. Civilian involvement is inevitable.
Children don't have any valid information. It's just not even a trustworthy source when it comes to interrogation. How can you be this brainwashed? These were sadistic people who tortured children for fun and to get the parents to talk who were also innocent civilians. There's no fucking excuse.
Same difference.
This isn't "gritty work", you sheep. A child is not a valid source of information, especially under duress. This is a clear violation of rights and their humanity, and NOTHING was gained from it. Do you understand that? NOTHING WAS GAINED. Will children inevitably get caught in the crossfire of a battle? Yes. Is it inevitable we torture children for absolutely no reason? Absolutely not. There is nothing to gain and nothing was gained. All we did is make more enemies and justify their cause.
Children don't need valid information, they could also be used as a method of psychological warfare for the enemy. There are no rules in war, so why try to limit ourselves in our effectiveness? It would let the enemy know, hey, we're not fucking around, you're gonna get fucked.
If nothing else then, children can be and should be used in a way to terrorize enemy morale.
Yes there are rules in war. There are universal human rights that we as the supposed leaders of the free world shouldn't violate.
Thank goodness you're not in any position of power. All you'd do is have America eternally hated by more and more people. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Really, now? That's why our enemies completely follow the bullshit rules we've laid out? That's why they torture and kill our POWs, suicide bomb crowds of civilians, behead people while screaming ALLAH AKBAR, and so on and so forth. No, there are no rules, and never should be any guidelines for something as brutal as war. All bets are off and it should be whatever it takes to win, no matter the cost. THAT is war, and THAT is exactly how the terrorists are fighting it. So why aren't we? We should torture all the people we can if it will break their morale, we should parade their broken bodies in the streets. We should have mass executions in towns that hide terror scum so they know we won't fuck around. They want to bomb civilian areas? Then so will we.
I know fully well what I'm talking about, I know what war means. Too many people want it to be civilized when it's anything but.
"Let's stop terrorism and win over our enemies by having mass executions of innocent civilians and torturing children then parading their bodies through the the streets. God Bless America :^)"
36608
« on: December 10, 2014, 02:53:37 PM »
NO CHILDREN SHOULD BE TORTURED YOU FUCKING PSYCHO
Who the fuck were your parents, Nazis? You don't fucking treat children like that.
Yes, somebody does have to do the dirty work. Cleaning up this mess the CIA made which accomplished NOTHING. You torture a known terrorist who has killed or orchestrated plans to kill or knows about important targets. You don't harm children.
You know, invoking Godwin's Law is not a good way to make an argument, plus you are resulting to ad hominem. You have to understand that children are a commonly used means of plotting terrorist attacks. It is not out of the realm of feasibility that the child may hold information which could prevent a future terrorist attack.
Seeing how that's some bullshit "law" made up by some dude, I couldn't care less. I've never heard of an 11 year old told to blow up a target. Would you like to provide some proof to back up your claims that children are commonly used?
36609
« on: December 10, 2014, 02:51:28 PM »
They're people. Rehabilitation is far better than going to a shithole then coming out and living the same lifestyle.
Too fucking bad. People are responsible for their actions, nobody else. These same people, no matter how much rehab they will go through, will continue their path of being a career criminal
I didn't.
Stop acting like you know everything about criminology just because you're a freshman at a school studying it.
Ancedotal; Studies show a large portion of former prisoners get rearrested again, one by the BJS showing a staggering 67%
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rpr94.pdf
Sophomore, thank-you very much
Has it nevet occurred to you that recidivism is caused by the current paradigm? Which, y'know, barely even touches rehabilitation.
If it was, then recidivism would be like 100%. That 43% shows prison either deterred them from making another mistake or they sought help on their own initiative. You can't force a person to change and the only thing you can do is just place them back behind bars if they commit more crime.
People, especially cartel and gang members, are not afraid of prison because they still can continue to give orders in the prison and have correspondence with others
Can confirm. All gang members are just itching to go to jail, they were all waiting for the day their freedom would be taken and they couldn't eat good food or drive nice cars or even go hang out with their friends and especially not being able to make any money was the most appealing thing. I'm so proud of you son. :^)
36610
« on: December 10, 2014, 02:48:48 PM »
Honestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.
ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians.
You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that.
>Icywind
>Being this liberal
What a surprise. Torture the bastards, I say
You realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.
1. You need proof they did that
2. Even if they did, it was for good reason
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse
http://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/faqs%3A-what-are-ghost-detentions-and-black-sites
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-cia-torture-report-what-you-need-to-know/
http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.html
You're seriously going to sit there and say torturing children is good and useful?
Torture gets shit done
Had you read my links, you jingoistic fucktard, you'd know that it accomplished close to nothing and made our standing in the world even less.
Please, explain how torturing a child is useful. I really want to see just how brainwashed and retarded you are.
Because that kid is probably already indoctrinated into being a terrorist anyway and could give intel on possible hideouts and movements
Also
>being this mad
>throwing out insults
Calm your tits you hippie, I haven't insulted you have I?
I'm a hippie because I don't advocate torturing children? You're a fucking monster. You should be thrown into jail.
Yeah, I'm sure torturing someone who has been taught to hate America will love America after he gets tortured by Americans. And I'm sure he's smart enough and informed about every plan by AQ. Foolproof.
Jesus motherfucking christ. "LETS TORTURE CHILDREN SO THEY WONT BE TERRURISTS HURR DURR FREEDUM"
I'm a monster? Or I just view the world for what it really is? Someone has to do the dirty work.
But that's my point, if they're taught to hate America it won't matter as is. And I never said they would be informed and know of plans, that sounds stupid. I mean indirect intel. Also, children shouldn't be the primary target since there are individuals of greater value to capture.
NO CHILDREN SHOULD BE TORTURED YOU FUCKING PSYCHO
Who the fuck were your parents, Nazis? You don't fucking treat children like that.
Yes, somebody does have to do the dirty work. Cleaning up this mess the CIA made which accomplished NOTHING. You torture a known terrorist who has killed or orchestrated plans to kill or knows about important targets. You don't harm children.
SOMETIMES CHILDREN DO, THOUGH, AND THEIR SACRIFICE IS FOR THE BETTER OF ALL
No, my parents are conservatives who watch Fox News.
Some people can't stomach the gritty work that needs to be done to keep the world a little more safe, and this is one of those jobs. Civilian involvement is inevitable.
Children don't have any valid information. It's just not even a trustworthy source when it comes to interrogation. How can you be this brainwashed? These were sadistic people who tortured children for fun and to get the parents to talk who were also innocent civilians. There's no fucking excuse.
Same difference.
This isn't "gritty work", you sheep. A child is not a valid source of information, especially under duress. This is a clear violation of rights and their humanity, and NOTHING was gained from it. Do you understand that? NOTHING WAS GAINED. Will children inevitably get caught in the crossfire of a battle? Yes. Is it inevitable we torture children for absolutely no reason? Absolutely not. There is nothing to gain and nothing was gained. All we did is make more enemies and justify their cause.
Children don't need valid information, they could also be used as a method of psychological warfare for the enemy. There are no rules in war, so why try to limit ourselves in our effectiveness? It would let the enemy know, hey, we're not fucking around, you're gonna get fucked.
If nothing else then, children can be and should be used in a way to terrorize enemy morale.
Yes there are rules in war. There are universal human rights that we as the supposed leaders of the free world shouldn't violate. Thank goodness you're not in any position of power. All you'd do is have America eternally hated by more and more people. You have no idea what you're talking about.
36611
« on: December 10, 2014, 02:41:28 PM »
If torturing a child is preventing the loss of human life, I'm 100% for it.
It never has. Information obtained from a child, even not under duress, can't be trusted. Not to mention children (even if they know terrorists) know little to nothing in the first place.
36612
« on: December 10, 2014, 01:21:13 PM »
This thread is certified dank.
36613
« on: December 10, 2014, 01:19:57 PM »
Dankness
36614
« on: December 10, 2014, 01:17:59 PM »
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36615
« on: December 10, 2014, 12:27:01 PM »
I'd spread it around for everybody.
36616
« on: December 10, 2014, 12:26:27 PM »
Someone has to do the dirty work.
I'd be fully in support of torture - even of children
36617
« on: December 10, 2014, 12:13:01 PM »
Yeah I'm pretty sure Al Qaeda leaders are giving the children all the intel.
They have teenagers strapping on bomb vests, so nothing would surprise me.
You think they are really giving teenagers, sent on suicide missions, valuable info?
I mean, it's unlikely, but if they're desperate, they might.
The answer is probably not. Hell, even grown men suicide bombers don't have a ton of crucial information - if you're being sent out to blow shit up and kill yourself, terrorist organizations aren't going to waste time trying to explain shit.
Suicide bombers don't get info. They get their target and that's it. Might they have learned something during their time in the organization? Maybe, but not enough to torture them for and torture has rarely worked anyway.
36618
« on: December 10, 2014, 11:54:13 AM »
We laugh at preppers because they not all there emotionally or mentally. They're pretty much batshit insane.
Most people just stockpile water, food, equipment, and medicine. Anybody taking it farther than that is just being dumb and is probably not mentally stable.
36619
« on: December 10, 2014, 11:45:45 AM »
It uses your mom's fat ass.
36620
« on: December 10, 2014, 11:00:23 AM »
Fuck no. The less government regulation there is the better.
36621
« on: December 10, 2014, 06:06:48 AM »
Honestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.
ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians.
You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that.
>Icywind
>Being this liberal
What a surprise. Torture the bastards, I say
You realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.
1. You need proof they did that
2. Even if they did, it was for good reason
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse
http://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/faqs%3A-what-are-ghost-detentions-and-black-sites
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-cia-torture-report-what-you-need-to-know/
http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.html
You're seriously going to sit there and say torturing children is good and useful?
Torture gets shit done
Had you read my links, you jingoistic fucktard, you'd know that it accomplished close to nothing and made our standing in the world even less.
Please, explain how torturing a child is useful. I really want to see just how brainwashed and retarded you are.
Because that kid is probably already indoctrinated into being a terrorist anyway and could give intel on possible hideouts and movements
Also
>being this mad
>throwing out insults
Calm your tits you hippie, I haven't insulted you have I?
I'm a hippie because I don't advocate torturing children? You're a fucking monster. You should be thrown into jail.
Yeah, I'm sure torturing someone who has been taught to hate America will love America after he gets tortured by Americans. And I'm sure he's smart enough and informed about every plan by AQ. Foolproof.
Jesus motherfucking christ. "LETS TORTURE CHILDREN SO THEY WONT BE TERRURISTS HURR DURR FREEDUM"
I'm a monster? Or I just view the world for what it really is? Someone has to do the dirty work.
But that's my point, if they're taught to hate America it won't matter as is. And I never said they would be informed and know of plans, that sounds stupid. I mean indirect intel. Also, children shouldn't be the primary target since there are individuals of greater value to capture.
NO CHILDREN SHOULD BE TORTURED YOU FUCKING PSYCHO
Who the fuck were your parents, Nazis? You don't fucking treat children like that.
Yes, somebody does have to do the dirty work. Cleaning up this mess the CIA made which accomplished NOTHING. You torture a known terrorist who has killed or orchestrated plans to kill or knows about important targets. You don't harm children.
SOMETIMES CHILDREN DO, THOUGH, AND THEIR SACRIFICE IS FOR THE BETTER OF ALL
No, my parents are conservatives who watch Fox News.
Some people can't stomach the gritty work that needs to be done to keep the world a little more safe, and this is one of those jobs. Civilian involvement is inevitable.
Children don't have any valid information. It's just not even a trustworthy source when it comes to interrogation. How can you be this brainwashed? These were sadistic people who tortured children for fun and to get the parents to talk who were also innocent civilians. There's no fucking excuse. Same difference. This isn't "gritty work", you sheep. A child is not a valid source of information, especially under duress. This is a clear violation of rights and their humanity, and NOTHING was gained from it. Do you understand that? NOTHING WAS GAINED. Will children inevitably get caught in the crossfire of a battle? Yes. Is it inevitable we torture children for absolutely no reason? Absolutely not. There is nothing to gain and nothing was gained. All we did is make more enemies and justify their cause.
36622
« on: December 10, 2014, 05:45:43 AM »
Honestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.
ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians.
You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that.
>Icywind
>Being this liberal
What a surprise. Torture the bastards, I say
You realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.
1. You need proof they did that
2. Even if they did, it was for good reason
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse
http://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/faqs%3A-what-are-ghost-detentions-and-black-sites
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-cia-torture-report-what-you-need-to-know/
http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.html
You're seriously going to sit there and say torturing children is good and useful?
Torture gets shit done
Had you read my links, you jingoistic fucktard, you'd know that it accomplished close to nothing and made our standing in the world even less.
Please, explain how torturing a child is useful. I really want to see just how brainwashed and retarded you are.
Because that kid is probably already indoctrinated into being a terrorist anyway and could give intel on possible hideouts and movements
Also
>being this mad
>throwing out insults
Calm your tits you hippie, I haven't insulted you have I?
I'm a hippie because I don't advocate torturing children? You're a fucking monster. You should be thrown into jail.
Yeah, I'm sure torturing someone who has been taught to hate America will love America after he gets tortured by Americans. And I'm sure he's smart enough and informed about every plan by AQ. Foolproof.
Jesus motherfucking christ. "LETS TORTURE CHILDREN SO THEY WONT BE TERRURISTS HURR DURR FREEDUM"
I'm a monster? Or I just view the world for what it really is? Someone has to do the dirty work.
But that's my point, if they're taught to hate America it won't matter as is. And I never said they would be informed and know of plans, that sounds stupid. I mean indirect intel. Also, children shouldn't be the primary target since there are individuals of greater value to capture.
NO CHILDREN SHOULD BE TORTURED YOU FUCKING PSYCHO Who the fuck were your parents, Nazis? You don't fucking treat children like that. Yes, somebody does have to do the dirty work. Cleaning up this mess the CIA made which accomplished NOTHING. You torture a known terrorist who has killed or orchestrated plans to kill or knows about important targets. You don't harm children.
36623
« on: December 10, 2014, 05:36:17 AM »
Honestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.
ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians.
You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that.
>Icywind
>Being this liberal
What a surprise. Torture the bastards, I say
You realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.
1. You need proof they did that
2. Even if they did, it was for good reason
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse
http://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/faqs%3A-what-are-ghost-detentions-and-black-sites
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-cia-torture-report-what-you-need-to-know/
http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.html
You're seriously going to sit there and say torturing children is good and useful?
Torture gets shit done
Had you read my links, you jingoistic fucktard, you'd know that it accomplished close to nothing and made our standing in the world even less.
Please, explain how torturing a child is useful. I really want to see just how brainwashed and retarded you are.
Because that kid is probably already indoctrinated into being a terrorist anyway and could give intel on possible hideouts and movements
Also
>being this mad
>throwing out insults
Calm your tits you hippie, I haven't insulted you have I?
I'm a hippie because I don't advocate torturing children? You're a fucking monster. You should be thrown into jail. Yeah, I'm sure torturing someone who has been taught to hate America will love America after he gets tortured by Americans. And I'm sure he's smart enough and informed about every plan by AQ. Foolproof. Jesus motherfucking christ. "LETS TORTURE CHILDREN SO THEY WONT BE TERRURISTS HURR DURR FREEDUM"
36624
« on: December 10, 2014, 05:28:04 AM »
wait all of this over a name??
God some of you are such nerds. It's just a name
Sheev'd right in the feels.
36625
« on: December 10, 2014, 05:22:47 AM »
It doesn't. The sole fact that there's a new story and new map made to play in every AC is more change than 7 football games.
36628
« on: December 10, 2014, 04:59:30 AM »
Honestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.
ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians. You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that. >Icywind
>Being this liberal
What a surprise. Torture the bastards, I say
You realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.
36629
« on: December 10, 2014, 04:36:54 AM »
Probably some guy who made an account and never posted.
I mean somebody has to defend him. He never posts.
36630
« on: December 09, 2014, 07:30:28 PM »
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