Quote from: challengerX on May 23, 2018, 04:36:55 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 23, 2018, 04:02:29 PM

how can you not see that saying "WOW THAT'S SO DISGUSTING THAT YOU COMPARED SLAVERY TO SJWs" is a fucking bitchmade bullshit way to argue

it has to be some kind of logical fallacy, it almost feels like an emotional appeal because you're allowing your personal outrage and disgust over the comparison to cloud the actual argument being made:

that it doesn't matter how bad it gets, you don't get to say "nigger" without social consequences and there should be equal consequences for not respecting someone's gender identity

you can talk all you want about how "nigger" is worse and all that, but the ultimate point being made is that they're extremely fucking rude and cunty things to do and say to someone, and that's what the subject is

that's the only thing being argued here and you're trying to derail it into something else and it's just retarded

There are social consequences for for misgendering trans people in places and social circles where trans people are accepted. I'm not sure what the point of this thread is at all. To me, there's no point. It's as if everybody needs to accept trans people. Ok, great. And the day after that we'll end world hunger and never fight another war. Do you not see how naive this is?

no more naive than the people in the whatever time period who believed we'd eventually live in a time where all racial, sexual, etc. discrimination will collectively be frowned upon in the future

intelligent people already realize that you cannot quash all bigotry, so we go for the next best thing, which is coming to a point in social progression where racism is collectively and severely frowned upon

and it IS, it IS severely frowned upon to be a racist in this country

you can still BE one, and there are still millions of unapologetic racists out there, but the point is that society doesn't view that as "okay," and therefore, the non-racists have more or less "won" the culture war in the best and most feasible way possible without resorting to violence

now, we're more or less trying to clean up the rest, because we still haven't quite reached a point in america where everyone collectively frowns upon transphobia

it's the equivalent of scrubbing the table of social norms and having your boss come in and say "hey, you missed a spot"

sure, you could just leave the spot there, but that's not doing your job

sure, there are trillions of bacteria that will remain in spite of all the scrubbing, but you still have to do your job, you still have to keep scrubbing because someone's gonna eat there and it's better to get the job done rather than letting the scum fester

no more shines billy

Quote from: challengerX on May 23, 2018, 09:17:04 AM

It's not about that. It's about how them behaving as if me calling OP a he is equivalent to calling a black person a nigger. It's fucked up (I guess) but it's not anywhere near as bad. You're not dehumanizing a trans person by "misgendering". They're still a person, you're not calling them a subhuman. There's a huge difference, even if it can be malicious.

so it's perfectly fine to just to disrespect people as long as you recognize them as a human being at the end of the day

if it's NOT then why even fiddle around with this bullshit, who cares what's more "fucked up"

Because what the OP said is wrong. It's wrong to discriminate against anybody, but there is a difference between calling a black person a nigger and a trans person the gender they originally were. It's just a bullshit comparison to try and guilt trip people into behaving in a way they already do.

This whole thing is a nonissue. I don't get it. People are going to be assholes if they want to be, whatever it is they're saying. If people feel like they're being compelled into calling the OP a she I don't know what to tell them. Either do it or don't. Who cares what spineless people like that think about anything?

I think you have a deep misunderstanding of what hip hop culture actually is. Not surprising from white people of the 4chan generation who think being edgy is cool though.

He's black you fucking retard lmao why is everybody you disagree with a white hillbilly redneck who browsed /pol/?

The black community is tired of discrimination. White edgelords can claim "le doesn't exist" but there is a very clear distinction between how different races are treated in this country.  Cops don't beat white people like they do black people and it has everything to do with racism and generalization (see: you generalizing an entire race). Hip hop culture is about embracing the shit you've been dealt with, the poverty and the racial slurs, and making music out of it.  I can tell all of you dumbasses must be from rural Michigan or some garbage flyover state from what I read on here, it's like you don't even interact with black people. I live in Atlanta and almost nobody gives a fuck when I white person says nigga unless it's actually them being racist.  I've seen people get offended by it and they just get laughed at

But of course this is sep7agon, a mutant spawn of retards with brain damage that couldn't quite make it on 4chan.  You can tell with inbreds like challengerx who make up some racist edgelord shit and then disappear when another white loser like himself shoots up a school for the 5th time this month

lmao I already told you I'm not white. I think it's funny how you disappeared after I destroyed you in that other thread where you had no response other than calling me a white hillbilly.

Please fuck off back to Pakistan, there are no white people there for you to cry about online. I'm really getting the vibe that some redneck kid gave you a wet willy in elementary and you've just been butthurt ever since.

Another home run

Quote from: challengerX on May 20, 2018, 12:33:36 PM

Quote from: eggsalad on May 20, 2018, 11:54:04 AM

Speaking from your own biases here. Some old cunt from 1940 probably could just as easily feel that "nigger" does come off the tongue easily, and being able to just say "nigger" instead of otherwise describing a person is incredibly convenient.

Whether or not "nigger" rolls off the tongue doesn't make it a word that's used for convenience or one of the main every day words in the English language. "Nigger" could be erased from the world and the English language would be fine, not the case for "he/she".

Maybe "nigger" used to be the acceptable way to refer to a black person, but it fell out of use by the insistence of black people that it be stopped. It didn't just happen naturally; the acceptability of the phrase had to be intentionally erased. I imagine we're seeing the same thing here, where maybe it's currently okay (but really not) to intentionally refer to an open transperson by a pronoun or name they don't prefer, and they're fighting against it so that in X number of years people will see it as as hateful of an intention as using the word "nigger".

I can't believe I have to explain this a second time. "He/she" isn't a slur. "Nigger" is a racial slur. In no old documents was it used officially, they'd almost always say "negro". Using the "wrong pronoun" is at worst a mistake or misunderstanding on the speaker's part. And even if it's used maliciously on purpose, it's still in no way comparable to hundreds of years of oppression and slavery. Maybe they've been denied jobs and housing, and some have even been killed just for being trans, but it's not the same. They have always had rights, they're not descendants of slaves and the ones that pass for the most part I assume have no issues in day to day life. So this is a ridiculous comparison.

Quote from: challengerX on May 22, 2018, 07:28:52 AM

Quote from: Carmen on May 22, 2018, 06:36:22 AM

what the FUCK

how am I a sexual predator are you legit just making shit up now??

>underage
>very cute

shes 18 l m a o

keep grasping

18 years younger than you

^judgers above

maybe dont be evil

not a lot to ask

let people make THEIR OWN choices - who cares if she didnt go to HS? You're all losers yourselves so....

>a sexual predator is calling other people evil

Sneed

Gun ban will stop shootings.

based

not based

Quote from: challengerX on May 20, 2018, 05:11:40 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 20, 2018, 05:05:48 PM

Quote from: challengerX on May 20, 2018, 05:03:33 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 20, 2018, 04:38:51 PM

Quote from: challengerX on May 20, 2018, 04:32:39 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 20, 2018, 02:58:36 PM

you don't have to actively dislike it, but to have a particular fondness for cheap instant ramen noodles?

like, i almost envy you

People enjoy eating crackers too, it's practically the same thing. I don't get why you're taking a jab at Mark over something so trivial.

because that's what the thread is about

did you not take a jab at me for eating plain hot dog buns

It was a joke. It's not something you're supposed to get all bent out of shape over fucking lol dude chill out once in a while.

i'm not sure what's making you think i'm getting bent out of shape

Your posts

but my posts would suggest otherwise

You need to💡up

And how can you take a jab at someone for eating instant noodles when you eat hotdog buns on their own hahaha wtf

you don't have to actively dislike it, but to have a particular fondness for cheap instant ramen noodles?

like, i almost envy you

People enjoy eating crackers too, it's practically the same thing. I don't get why you're taking a jab at Mark over something so trivial.

Speaking from your own biases here. Some old cunt from 1940 probably could just as easily feel that "nigger" does come off the tongue easily, and being able to just say "nigger" instead of otherwise describing a person is incredibly convenient.

Whether or not "nigger" rolls off the tongue doesn't make it a word that's used for convenience or one of the main every day words in the English language. "Nigger" could be erased from the world and the English language would be fine, not the case for "he/she".

The person who wants to use it may claim they don't mean it in a malicious way. "Nigger" is just how they describe black people. To them "nigger" could just means someone has dark skin.

lmao find me a person like this. I'll wait. "Nigger" is a discriminatory word which comes from "negro" in Spanish which means black. Calling someone a negro was once upon a time ok to do, it isn't today. So calling someone a negro/nigger is inherently malicious.

Yeah that's sort of the point.

There was no need to cut that sort of my post, my sentence wasn't finished and it's as if you're interrupting me mid sentence while I'm trying to make a point. So either you have bad manners or you're trying to make it seem like you have more to say than you actually do.

Never claimed as such.

No shit. Had you not cut my post up you wouldn't look like a dumbass and be saying stupid shit like this.

I don't see how something not being inherently malicious means we can't address situations in which it is malicious.

I didn't say otherwise. I'm trying to let you know why there's a huge difference between calling some a nigger and "misgenderi g" someone.

Hell, "nigger" isn't inherently malicious either. It can be said for historical or contextual reasons, like it is right now, ironically.

We're still talking about how malicious it is. We're not calling people niggers, but we fully recognize that it is a racial slur and nothing else.

And all of this just seems to be arguments why one should be restricted and the other not, but doesn't really tell me why one is "compelled" speech and the other not, which is more what I intended to be the scope of this conversation.

What should be restricted? Me referring to you as "he/him"? Restricted how? I can say nigger all I want, too. All using "bigoted" language results in is social ostracism. You're not arrested for any of this, and rightly so. Unless I'm calling for death to all niggers/trannies and I have a stash of weapons, there's no reason to arrest me.