Are you blowing things up for a just cause or just cause?

I'm just going to cut this down a bit, because I don't really feel inclined to spend more time over nitpicking. Call it whatever you like, I really just don't care for another round of quote pyramids over the same old shit.

I think we will reach the singularity, if you'd rather see the human race and all life wipe itself out before that point then power to you. That's idealistic on both fronts, you want to see mass extinction and I'd like to see a race of AI created, neither of which are particularly likely to happen in a natural lifespan. Have at it.

The part I want to address more clearly is regarding mental illness, mostly because that's one of the few things in this discussion I genuinely care about as opposed to just kill time discussing.

As it has been pointed out, there are people who wish to die that are not mentally ill. Typically that would include terminally ill patients, in countries where euthanasia is legal that is usually how it works. The person requesting it has to be assessed to show that they are of a sound mind i.e not Clinically Depressed, then it can go ahead after ethics panels/committees and the like.

The reason that people who are not of a sound mind, in the medical/legal sense, are not allowed to be euthanised is because they are not making an informed choice - their mental illness is affecting their judgement and so any choice over their own mortality is suspended until they are shown to be healthy again. Then when they are treated/cured, if they still wished to die it would be more likely to proceed.

The part where you said that MHCs have an evil responsibility though, you think that preventing harm from occurring to the vulnerable or those around them is evil? That's what they do, it's not some One flew over the cuckoo's nest malarkey. People who are in danger of harming others or themselves as a result of hallucinations, delusions, paranoia or suicidal depression (Not exhaustive) shouldn't be left to carry out these actions, you see cases like the one in London a few months ago where a schizophrenic man stuck a pair of scissors into another man's chest as a result of his delusions. The guy died and the patient is now committed indefinitely, is it evil to force people like him to receive treatment? Which would have saved the other man's life and perhaps led to Hunter being returned to a normal enough state to function in society.

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I'd like to add that wanting to die isn't necessarily tied to mental instability; there are states in the US that allow euthanasia so long as the person is making the decision sound of mind.

How would that sort of thing be judged, anyway? Because, in my opinion, nobody is "sound of mind". What does that even mean, realistically?

Depression Inventories are an example, albeit ones in much more depth than these
http://www.humber.nhs.uk/Downloads/Services/IAPT%20ER/Outcome%20measures%20questionnaire.pdf
A full clinical assessment can last 1-2 hours, there are various questionnaires and inventories along with diagnostic criteria from the DSM/ICD to go by as well. So in the same way that a GP would run a battery of blood tests a Psychologist or Psychiatrist can run a battery of Mental Health tests to determine if a patient has any issues/what they might be/would they affect their state of mind.

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Are you still there?
In the loosest sense of the term, I check the place more often for Destiny shit than I do for the forums. That's how little I go there now.

Are you happy with the way this place turned out?
Yup pretty happy, given the amount of teething problems/tantrums that have gone on over the last few months it's a miracle this place is still standing but I enjoy it enough to log in every day and talk to people, so that counts for something.

Anything besides the nazis that you're unhappy about?
That we don't get to wear the snazzy uniforms whilst shooting the innocents :/

Shut up fag

i cry evrytiem

You think this is some kind of game?

Are you still there?
In the loosest sense of the term, I check the place more often for Destiny shit than I do for the forums. That's how little I go there now.

Are you happy with the way this place turned out?
Yup pretty happy, given the amount of teething problems/tantrums that have gone on over the last few months it's a miracle this place is still standing but I enjoy it enough to log in every day and talk to people, so that counts for something.

Anything besides the nazis that you're unhappy about?
That we don't get to wear the snazzy uniforms whilst shooting the innocents :/

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But the mods leave a joke topic like this in serious?

Lol this fucking website

Surely you of all people would know that a controversial opinion =/= a joke.

Looking at the other viewpoint as to why some people might think it's justified (Such as the scumbags who committed the attack) can help to understand how to prevent that from happening again. Simply ignoring the psychology of the enemy isn't going to do anything other than bend over and present for the next one.

That's bogus. It doesn't matter why, what matters preparing so you can stop them from doing it again.

We had this same discussion over why people would study the nazis >.>

Understanding why something happens, how people are led to believe this evil and why they are predisposed to do so in the first place is key to making sure it never happens again.

I think it does matter why, quite a lot infact. Knowing your enemy is knowing how to defeat them, when you are fighting an ideology it's doubly so. Part of preparing to stop them from doing it again is knowing what to look for in other people.

Take the boston bomber for example, if everyone simply went 'Oh what an evil man, he must have been born a monster and is going to die a monster' rather than going 'Okay, so let's find out what kind of bullshit he ate up that led him to do this atrocity' then the next budding bomber is going to be harder to look for. If you find out that he spoke to this preacher, went to this camp and learned to make bombs from this guy you can then track people through those same networks and apprehend them before they strike.

That's called defending yourself properly. We know they're brainwashed by bullshit preachers.

That doesn't mean we need to study them in depth to understand they're crazy and think they're carrying out the invisible sky man's orders.

And you can't destroy an ideology.

Alright, so how do you propose defending ourselves against the jihadists? <.<

And I know this, but that doesn't mean you can't combat it at all. You just don't fight it with bullets and bombs as you would a conventional enemy.

This is why the NSA exists.

Indeed, and GCHQ too.

How do they know what to look for in the masses of data they sift through?
Aside from the Four Lions who send texts about bombing a boots, the ones who have some semblance of wit about themselves. They have to know what to look for and that involves studying the enemy.

Not at all.

Tactics used can just as easily catch a lone attacker with no ties to terrorist groups as much as it can catch a member of AQ. Their ideology is irrelevant as long as you keep tabs on mosques, churches, and keep your ear to the ground.

Uh, yeah. GCHQ is the bonger equivalent of the NSA, they do the same work on this side of the atlantic.

I know what GCHQ is.

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Keeping tabs on mosques is the perfect fuel for creating more radicals, people who normally would just get on with their lives and religions being under constant scrutiny because they *might* be terrorists is a surefire way to generate some pissed off sentiments.

I don't think you understand what "keeping tabs" are. It's discretely keeping eyes and ears on someone/a group of people.

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I don't get why you seem to be so against the study of twisted ideologies, it's no different to the research into pathogens. Knowing exactly what is causing the disease helps to cure it, if you know what is leading people to turn to radical ideologies then you can prevent others from doing the same. It's a better path to peace than just sitting and waiting for someone to turn and then gunning them down/locking them up for the rest of their life.

You really can't, though. We've studied the Nazis to death and there are more Neo Nazis every day.

There is genocide still being committed. You guys can say ">Africa" and make your little jokes all you want, but jacking off to Nazi documentaries hasn't stopped genocide worldwide.

An ideology can't be treated by studying it, because the basis of ideologies where you're supposed to hate people is based on natural traits, which is almost always fear or the need to blame others for your problems.

Ideologies come and go, they're just excuses for us to hate each other and act on that hatred.

Which inevitably comes to light, thus breeding more hatred. Discriminating against a group of people by singling them out for monitoring in that way doesn't foster goodwill, integration or assimilation. It makes the mistrust deeper.

Because not enough is being done to combat it in the right manner. The Exit Deutschland group is currently one of the only ones that seems to be dealing with this in the right manner. The combination of losing a social support structure and being subject to violence for leaving the organisations keep people in there. If that sounds like gangs it's because it's exactly how it works, organised crime to benefit those running the show and feeding bullshit ideology to those within the hierarchy. Why do they go there in the first place? Because they somehow are born hating the jews and the blacks? Or because they get led to join these places?

People aren't born racist as I'm sure you know, they learn it from others and what is learned can be unlearned. You just have to approach it correctly, that involves the study of it.

Now I'm not referring to wanking yourself silly over pictures of the holocaust and the latest ISIS beheading, that's utterly useless beyond documenting what has happened. It's the bigger picture, how hitler wormed his way into power and how ISIS propaganda is hitting home with all of the disillusioned muslims in the west. If you don't counter their mind war and just focus on the physical then they will win. Sure putting a bullet in them might kill one, maybe blowing hitler/al bagdadhi sky high would have stopped some of it but that just cycles the next lieutenant into power who continues the same shit.

You don't treat the ideology, you treat the people who are going to fall victim to it and become another gear in that machine. If someone is suckered into joining ISIS, they are first a victim and then a murdering bastard. If you can stop people from being led astray in the first place, you have prevented a murdering bastard from existing without any need for violence. Not that it doesn't have it's place, but you cannot hope to fight something like this with bullets and bombs. Look how Britain reacted to the Nazis bombing the bejeesus out of us during the blitz, it didn't do anything other than galvanize the will to crush them later on.

I'm sure you run into plenty of idolaters online, who do just jack off to this shit. That isn't studying the enemy, that's glorifying them. I don't have time for that but I do have time for the people who spend their lives getting inside the heads of the opposing side to figure out how to stop them. That's not done by you or I, or anyone who sits on liveleak all day but by the people employed by MI5/6 and the CIA etc.

You can't really tell these people to change how they think. They have to want to do that.

The sad truth is you can only educate people so much if they don't want to be educated.

Indeed, which is why you have to get to them before this starts to set in <.<

It can be something as mundane as just more community involvement and the like, the tories are doing some kind of token gesture at 'instilling british values' in our yoof but hell they are at least on the right track about it. You start young and make them into better citizens, rather than just leaving everyone to their own devices when it comes to that sort of shit. It doesn't have to go full fledged scream the pledge or die, because that's again counter-intuitive, but finding ways to integrate people rather than leaving them to turn into outcasts is a start.

Knock it off the pair of you, any further shit after the courtesy two minute grace period = warning time.

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It depends on your connection speed, the fact that it's fiber means shit if your ISP still caps you at 5mbps.

Well it looks like we are getting 80 down 40 up so I'm kinda hoping that is actually true and not just the usual advertising bullshit <.<

Advertising.
How else will they pull people in?

By shitting up the broadband like they have done the last few weeks <_<

It can't be coincidence that lagspikes happen several times a day now that they have installed fibre to the street <_<

What the fuck does this have to do with gaming?

If you have fibre optic internet/superfast MLG connectionshit, and someone in your house is streaming netflix while you are playing an online game - do you still suffer from horrendous lag or is it just stream away/game away etc.

<_<

Oh boy sure haven't seen this joke before.

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But the mods leave a joke topic like this in serious?

Lol this fucking website

Surely you of all people would know that a controversial opinion =/= a joke.

Looking at the other viewpoint as to why some people might think it's justified (Such as the scumbags who committed the attack) can help to understand how to prevent that from happening again. Simply ignoring the psychology of the enemy isn't going to do anything other than bend over and present for the next one.

That's bogus. It doesn't matter why, what matters preparing so you can stop them from doing it again.

We had this same discussion over why people would study the nazis >.>

Understanding why something happens, how people are led to believe this evil and why they are predisposed to do so in the first place is key to making sure it never happens again.

I think it does matter why, quite a lot infact. Knowing your enemy is knowing how to defeat them, when you are fighting an ideology it's doubly so. Part of preparing to stop them from doing it again is knowing what to look for in other people.

Take the boston bomber for example, if everyone simply went 'Oh what an evil man, he must have been born a monster and is going to die a monster' rather than going 'Okay, so let's find out what kind of bullshit he ate up that led him to do this atrocity' then the next budding bomber is going to be harder to look for. If you find out that he spoke to this preacher, went to this camp and learned to make bombs from this guy you can then track people through those same networks and apprehend them before they strike.

That's called defending yourself properly. We know they're brainwashed by bullshit preachers.

That doesn't mean we need to study them in depth to understand they're crazy and think they're carrying out the invisible sky man's orders.

And you can't destroy an ideology.

Alright, so how do you propose defending ourselves against the jihadists? <.<

And I know this, but that doesn't mean you can't combat it at all. You just don't fight it with bullets and bombs as you would a conventional enemy.

This is why the NSA exists.

Indeed, and GCHQ too.

How do they know what to look for in the masses of data they sift through?
Aside from the Four Lions who send texts about bombing a boots, the ones who have some semblance of wit about themselves. They have to know what to look for and that involves studying the enemy.

Not at all.

Tactics used can just as easily catch a lone attacker with no ties to terrorist groups as much as it can catch a member of AQ. Their ideology is irrelevant as long as you keep tabs on mosques, churches, and keep your ear to the ground.

Uh, yeah. GCHQ is the bonger equivalent of the NSA, they do the same work on this side of the atlantic.

I know what GCHQ is.

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Keeping tabs on mosques is the perfect fuel for creating more radicals, people who normally would just get on with their lives and religions being under constant scrutiny because they *might* be terrorists is a surefire way to generate some pissed off sentiments.

I don't think you understand what "keeping tabs" are. It's discretely keeping eyes and ears on someone/a group of people.

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I don't get why you seem to be so against the study of twisted ideologies, it's no different to the research into pathogens. Knowing exactly what is causing the disease helps to cure it, if you know what is leading people to turn to radical ideologies then you can prevent others from doing the same. It's a better path to peace than just sitting and waiting for someone to turn and then gunning them down/locking them up for the rest of their life.

You really can't, though. We've studied the Nazis to death and there are more Neo Nazis every day.

There is genocide still being committed. You guys can say ">Africa" and make your little jokes all you want, but jacking off to Nazi documentaries hasn't stopped genocide worldwide.

An ideology can't be treated by studying it, because the basis of ideologies where you're supposed to hate people is based on natural traits, which is almost always fear or the need to blame others for your problems.

Ideologies come and go, they're just excuses for us to hate each other and act on that hatred.

Which inevitably comes to light, thus breeding more hatred. Discriminating against a group of people by singling them out for monitoring in that way doesn't foster goodwill, integration or assimilation. It makes the mistrust deeper.

Because not enough is being done to combat it in the right manner. The Exit Deutschland group is currently one of the only ones that seems to be dealing with this in the right manner. The combination of losing a social support structure and being subject to violence for leaving the organisations keep people in there. If that sounds like gangs it's because it's exactly how it works, organised crime to benefit those running the show and feeding bullshit ideology to those within the hierarchy. Why do they go there in the first place? Because they somehow are born hating the jews and the blacks? Or because they get led to join these places?

People aren't born racist as I'm sure you know, they learn it from others and what is learned can be unlearned. You just have to approach it correctly, that involves the study of it.

Now I'm not referring to wanking yourself silly over pictures of the holocaust and the latest ISIS beheading, that's utterly useless beyond documenting what has happened. It's the bigger picture, how hitler wormed his way into power and how ISIS propaganda is hitting home with all of the disillusioned muslims in the west. If you don't counter their mind war and just focus on the physical then they will win. Sure putting a bullet in them might kill one, maybe blowing hitler/al bagdadhi sky high would have stopped some of it but that just cycles the next lieutenant into power who continues the same shit.

You don't treat the ideology, you treat the people who are going to fall victim to it and become another gear in that machine. If someone is suckered into joining ISIS, they are first a victim and then a murdering bastard. If you can stop people from being led astray in the first place, you have prevented a murdering bastard from existing without any need for violence. Not that it doesn't have it's place, but you cannot hope to fight something like this with bullets and bombs. Look how Britain reacted to the Nazis bombing the bejeesus out of us during the blitz, it didn't do anything other than galvanize the will to crush them later on.

I'm sure you run into plenty of idolaters online, who do just jack off to this shit. That isn't studying the enemy, that's glorifying them. I don't have time for that but I do have time for the people who spend their lives getting inside the heads of the opposing side to figure out how to stop them. That's not done by you or I, or anyone who sits on liveleak all day but by the people employed by MI5/6 and the CIA etc.

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Quote from: PSU on April 27, 2015, 11:37:20 AM

But the mods leave a joke topic like this in serious?

Lol this fucking website

Surely you of all people would know that a controversial opinion =/= a joke.

Looking at the other viewpoint as to why some people might think it's justified (Such as the scumbags who committed the attack) can help to understand how to prevent that from happening again. Simply ignoring the psychology of the enemy isn't going to do anything other than bend over and present for the next one.

That's bogus. It doesn't matter why, what matters preparing so you can stop them from doing it again.

We had this same discussion over why people would study the nazis >.>

Understanding why something happens, how people are led to believe this evil and why they are predisposed to do so in the first place is key to making sure it never happens again.

I think it does matter why, quite a lot infact. Knowing your enemy is knowing how to defeat them, when you are fighting an ideology it's doubly so. Part of preparing to stop them from doing it again is knowing what to look for in other people.

Take the boston bomber for example, if everyone simply went 'Oh what an evil man, he must have been born a monster and is going to die a monster' rather than going 'Okay, so let's find out what kind of bullshit he ate up that led him to do this atrocity' then the next budding bomber is going to be harder to look for. If you find out that he spoke to this preacher, went to this camp and learned to make bombs from this guy you can then track people through those same networks and apprehend them before they strike.

That's called defending yourself properly. We know they're brainwashed by bullshit preachers.

That doesn't mean we need to study them in depth to understand they're crazy and think they're carrying out the invisible sky man's orders.

And you can't destroy an ideology.

Alright, so how do you propose defending ourselves against the jihadists? <.<

And I know this, but that doesn't mean you can't combat it at all. You just don't fight it with bullets and bombs as you would a conventional enemy.

This is why the NSA exists.

Indeed, and GCHQ too.

How do they know what to look for in the masses of data they sift through?
Aside from the Four Lions who send texts about bombing a boots, the ones who have some semblance of wit about themselves. They have to know what to look for and that involves studying the enemy.

Not at all.

Tactics used can just as easily catch a lone attacker with no ties to terrorist groups as much as it can catch a member of AQ. Their ideology is irrelevant as long as you keep tabs on mosques, churches, and keep your ear to the ground.

Uh, yeah. GCHQ is the bonger equivalent of the NSA, they do the same work on this side of the atlantic.

Keeping tabs on mosques is the perfect fuel for creating more radicals, people who normally would just get on with their lives and religions being under constant scrutiny because they *might* be terrorists is a surefire way to generate some pissed off sentiments.

I don't get why you seem to be so against the study of twisted ideologies, it's no different to the research into pathogens. Knowing exactly what is causing the disease helps to cure it, if you know what is leading people to turn to radical ideologies then you can prevent others from doing the same. It's a better path to peace than just sitting and waiting for someone to turn and then gunning them down/locking them up for the rest of their life.

>tfw yanks still take banter seriously

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I get up to 30mbps down. The only time I have a problem is when the internet decides to be a fat cunt and goes slow. Other than that it's completely fine.

So is that with someone streaming netflix at the same time? >.>

I guess that the number of people who might be able to answer this is fairly low but I need to ask anyway.

So currently my household has broadband (5mbps down 0.02 up) which is pretty garbage I know but we are having fibre installed on the 5th of may. (Finally)

The current scourge of the household is one of my brothers, affectionately referred to henceforth as 'The neet' who as you might imagine sits on the sofa gorging food all day and marathoning House/Top Gear 24/7 on netflix. This shits up the connection for the rest of us who actually do something with our lives, i.e Me for when I've finished studying and shit.

Rambling over, the simple question is;
If you have fibre optic internet/superfast MLG connectionshit, and someone in your house is streaming netflix while you are playing an online game - do you still suffer from horrendous lag or is it just stream away/game away etc.

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