Quote from: Mr Psychologist on April 30, 2015, 02:18:40 PM

Is it on iplayer? I don't have a TV connection here >_>

should be

milibumbandit is on at the moment, getting fucking #rekt

Is he still wanking himself off with that ridiculous hand gesture or has he realised that actually talking to your opponent sometimes is good form in a debate?

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I've had a go a few times at basic proxies (just google "proxy server" and it does it all for you), mostly to access AMD for Walking Dead or that Pandora radio thing that seemed interesting at the time.

Now I never use 'em, have no real need, though I now have Hola! (http://hola.org/) in case for VPN's.

I'm an idiot, I was talking about VPNs in my posts

Demet, well yeah VPNs do what I was talking about >.>

What are VPN's?

They do what I was talking about lol, makes it appear that you are from a different region and all that.

I meant what does it stand for lol

Ohh, Virtual Private Networks <.<

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goddamn weebs, derailing yet another thread...

lisn here u lil shit

lol ur short.

Uh oh, you are in a little bit of trouble now comet >.>

Okay so how would you know if it's a secure proxy or not?

No idea really >.>

I just use the Hola one on Chrome and it seems pretty fine for region hopping, if you were thinking of any more more serious than that, I'd say to ask someone who knows their stuff better than I lol.

So are boxes of Special K next? God forbid that we encourage people to eat healthily.

I'm that guy who gets frustrated when the person I'm watching sucks. Don't know why that is.

RPGs + Someone who isn't quite sure what to + Trying to tell them where to go/what to pick up/LOOK OUT FOR THAT ENEMY = just kill me now

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Quote from: Yu on April 30, 2015, 11:07:57 AM

Tru is a lean midget, Oss is skinny, Psy is skinny, LC is of decent build, Bryne, isn't fat either, Septy is underweight, Casper is a skeleton, Kupo said he's chubby, Naoto is probably skinny, I'm neither fat nor skinny, Das is actually chub.

So for the most part no.

That is news to me <.<

I'd say I'm neither but I'm hardly skinny >.>

Well you sure don't look fat, so into the in between skinny and fat portion you go.

Yeh, that's the best fit I think <.<

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weebs are the worst
especially psy
fucking frigate

Go poi yourself.

pls sink and stay sink

mad cuz first kai

your boatfu a ship

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on April 30, 2015, 10:37:58 AM

I do like to, but spring-autumn is a no-no for open windows.

The unending onslaught of chittering, buzzing little bastards that whack you right in the ear whilst you are nodding off to sleep makes it just not worth it.
Some nights it's like a bloody tyranid invasion.

If I can find mozzie nets though, I might be able to open the windows at night more <.<

you forgot to mention the pollen overload...

Ahh well that's not so much of a problem for me <.<

weebs are the worst
especially psy
fucking frigate

Go poi yourself.

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but if it's more along the lines of the plain packaging forced the removal of their branding so they lose out on sales... eh I'd struggle to sympathise one bit with that.

That's one of the reasons it's such a controversial case.

Well then, I'd say fetch the bus and the rope <_<

Do my survey you bitch.

Where is it? >.>

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on April 28, 2015, 08:01:26 PM

It's yet another disgusting 'trade deal' being sharted out of the USA. Hopefully it goes down the drain with the rest of it's countless cousins.

Most of the hype against TTIP is just trumped-up bullshit on the part of the media.

The media loves to reduce the ISDS functions down to "suing for lost future profits", but that really is a mischaracterisation. Even the case with Phillip Morris in Australia--usually held up as the poster-boy for everything that's wrong with ISDS--has some legitimacy. PM aren't suing the Australian government over "lost profits" due to plain cigarette packages, they're suing because the government expropriated their intellectual property without compensation.

And even if you're still against PM and their instance (I'm undecided, myself) most instances of ISDS are nowhere near as egregious or controversial. A large majority of successful cases are when governments disfavour foreign companies; like when Ethyl Corp sued the Canadian government for banning an additive that only they used. Ethyl Corp claimed the government had banned the additive on political, instead of scientific or public-interest grounds.

On the face of it, it looks like Ethyl Corp is acting against the public interest and is simply acting for the sake of its own wallet. However, Ethyl Corp ended up presenting the government's own documents from just a year prior which clearly stated that there was zero risk presented by the additive Ethyl Corp had been using, and the party trying to push through the legislation had close ties with Ethyl Corp's domestic competitors.

And, as with all ISDS cases, it was played out in the media as some fat-cat company suing the government over health and environmental legislation. Nonetheless, the formulators of TTIP have recognised some of the faults in the Phillip Morris case and the TTP and added this:

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and should be without prejudice to the right of the EU and the Member States to adopt and enforce, in accordance with their respective competences, measures necessary to pursue legitimate public policy objectives such as social, environmental, security, stability of the financial system, public health and safety in a non-discriminatory manner

ISDS cases are never as one-sided as they're made out to be.

Whilst that is a little reassuring, as in it's not quite doomsday should it get signed, I still don't really fancy the idea of corporations being able to sue governments, not because of 'muh corporations' because for the vast majority of them I really don't mind about their business practices, it's the thought of giving Monsanto and Co more litigious power when they already run rampant with their lawsuits.

I'm not against GM foods and the like, but Monsanto gives the entire GM industry such a shitty reputation with a justifiable reason too <_<

In terms of the tobacco company, it's harder because I'd love to see it get thrown under the bus and come out mauled to death but ehh. When you say their IP do you mean that the aussie government used their packaging in anti-smoking advertisements or the like? Because that's easy enough to nail down as wrong but if it's more along the lines of the plain packaging forced the removal of their branding so they lose out on sales... eh I'd struggle to sympathise one bit with that.

-They all literaly have Destiny Supers

It's yet another disgusting 'trade deal' being sharted out of the USA. Hopefully it goes down the drain with the rest of it's countless cousins.

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on April 28, 2015, 10:49:54 AM

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The part I want to address more clearly is regarding mental illness, mostly because that's one of the few things in this discussion I genuinely care about as opposed to just kill time discussing.

Wonderful, because it's actually the part of the discussion that is not only in my least interest, it's also the furthest from the original topic. At least with anti-natalism, I could get away with it, but this is just a little bit too far gone, don't you think, Mr. Mod?

Suit yourself then, and yeah this is heading in a different direction. The intention being to make a new thread after this if you were interested, but apparently not so I'm done after this reply.

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The reason that people who are not of a sound mind, in the medical/legal sense, are not allowed to be euthanised is because they are not making an informed choice - their mental illness is affecting their judgement and so any choice over their own mortality is suspended until they are shown to be healthy again. Then when they are treated/cured, if they still wished to die it would be more likely to proceed.

If we euthanized someone whose judgement was affected by the disease, I really don't think it would be that big of a tragedy.

Now I really am done with this.

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Especially because most people with terminal illnesses are essentially at the end of their lives anyway. They've probably had it. So to have this mommy state kind of thing where the mommy state is gonna tell you that your life is worth prolonging doesn't sound very appealing to me.

Which is why euthanising the terminally ill isn't a big problem, euthanising people who are not terminally ill but have a mental illness is.

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The part where you said that MHCs have an evil responsibility though, you think that preventing harm

Preventing harm? Are you familiar with the adage, "death heals all wounds"? I really don't see how prolonging one's suffering, which is essentially these people's job, is, in any way, preventing harm.

I'm not even going to bother with this one, the best way to prevent harm is not to start killing all your patients to ease their suffering.

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those around them

Look, even if one of my loved ones honestly and genuinely wanted to die, do you think I'd try to stand in their way? Well, maybe. But your choice to die should be no one's business but your own. It would be rather selfish of me to say that my loved ones have to live to sate my interests, because I want to have them around. That's a little bit selfish.

Wanting people to live for your own wishes is selfish, wanting to make sure that strangers do not kill themselves and cause strife for those they leave behind is not.

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People who are in danger of harming others or themselves as a result of hallucinations, delusions, paranoia

And this has anything to do with the right to die? No, obviously, I only think part of what they do is evil. Making decisions for other people without their say-so tends to be pretty evil. Do most people want to live? Yeah. Do most people want to be operated on if they are injured? Yeah. But if there's one person who says he wants to end his life, I say give him that courtesy, regardless of whether he is of "sound mind" or not. And I'm sure there are a lot of people who have said something like that on their death bed, but managed to pull through, and then they looked back and said, "Wow, I must have been crazy for wanting to die."

But if you asked them if they'd like to relive that horror? You'd probably get an interesting result.

They are people who are not of sound mind, their judgement is impaired by their illness in the same way that someone who is under the influence is considered impaired in judgement. Different types of impairment, but impairment nonetheless.

I think you would get the same result for asking anyone if they wanted to go through the pain of terminal illness, people who are terminally ill and have sound judgement, which is the vast majority of cases (as rare as they are anyway) given how the proportions of judgement affecting mental illnesses appear in the population are really quite low. If someone has terminal illness, they should be allowed to die if the doctors have determined that there is nothing more they can do for them that kind of goes without question, it is different for those who are not terminally ill and wish to die - that has to be assessed for mental illness. If they are physically and mentally healthy and they wish for euthanasia, I could see the argument for allowing it.

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you see cases like the one in London a few months ago where a schizophrenic man stuck a pair of scissors into another man's chest as a result of his delusions. The guy died and the patient is now committed indefinitely, is it evil to force people like him to receive treatment?

Bla bla bla. Again, that's not the subject. I don't think I ever said that everything they do is evil.

Anyway, I'm done with this now. Call it a victory if you like, but I have better things to be doing with my time than this. If you do wish to discuss euthanasia and the mentally ill, you can make another thread or I can. Otherwise feel free to go back to the other discussions ITT.