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Serious / Re: Cameron renews his NHS pledges [TW: UK Politics]
« on: May 18, 2015, 09:54:17 AM »
CAMHS is actually quite good in NI. Maybe because mental health is a bigger issue hear that's harder to brush under the rug than it England.
Yeah <.<

Maaaybe it's just a localised issue/firsthand experience but it's a bit of a cointoss here.

When I was first referred I was assigned to a brilliant psych who helped me sort my shit out, they did EMDR for the PTSD and it was 10/10. Then when I'd spoken to a few people who all got lumped with one of the other shrinks there, jesus christ he sounded like an asshat. Then we did this family therapy thing (10/10 would laugh at again) with him chairing it and christ he shouldn't be a shrink at all. Quite how he's passed the ongoing professional proficiency shit is beyond me.

The changeover period is a farce too, when they get a patient who is 16/17 they tend to just fudge the paperwork for a few months until they are too old to be treated by CAMHS and then say 'oh, you need to be assessed by the adult team and get put onto that waiting list instead' so that's about 15 months it took them to hand me from one service to the other. GG.

>_>

But yeah, in short camhs/amhs need to get their shit together and a bigger budget/more staff would certainly help reduce the waiting times.
My biggest problem with CAMHS was the therapist rotation, every 8 months or so a patient gets a new therapist for little to no reason.

And yeah, they tend to do that here too, at least they did a few years back. Still NIs MHS are far better than Englands, at least from first hand experience.
Egh, that sounds like Locums/Temporary staff rotations <.<

Not a great system really, disrupting any progress like that :l
It's worse than staff rotations, the doctors weren't going onto different patients, they were getting completely different jobs in other facilities/hospitals. Now that was just for CAMHS. I have to say Adult services are far better, Maybe thats the work of the NI Executive or what I don't know but I hear things are going to get worse. NI has it's flaws but I'm thankful we have devolution to blunt the Tories blows.
Well that's... a mess then.

Hm, I forgot about devolution. Lucky sods >_>

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Serious / Re: Cameron renews his NHS pledges [TW: UK Politics]
« on: May 18, 2015, 09:44:44 AM »
CAMHS is actually quite good in NI. Maybe because mental health is a bigger issue hear that's harder to brush under the rug than it England.
Yeah <.<

Maaaybe it's just a localised issue/firsthand experience but it's a bit of a cointoss here.

When I was first referred I was assigned to a brilliant psych who helped me sort my shit out, they did EMDR for the PTSD and it was 10/10. Then when I'd spoken to a few people who all got lumped with one of the other shrinks there, jesus christ he sounded like an asshat. Then we did this family therapy thing (10/10 would laugh at again) with him chairing it and christ he shouldn't be a shrink at all. Quite how he's passed the ongoing professional proficiency shit is beyond me.

The changeover period is a farce too, when they get a patient who is 16/17 they tend to just fudge the paperwork for a few months until they are too old to be treated by CAMHS and then say 'oh, you need to be assessed by the adult team and get put onto that waiting list instead' so that's about 15 months it took them to hand me from one service to the other. GG.

>_>

But yeah, in short camhs/amhs need to get their shit together and a bigger budget/more staff would certainly help reduce the waiting times.
My biggest problem with CAMHS was the therapist rotation, every 8 months or so a patient gets a new therapist for little to no reason.

And yeah, they tend to do that here too, at least they did a few years back. Still NIs MHS are far better than Englands, at least from first hand experience.
Egh, that sounds like Locums/Temporary staff rotations <.<

Not a great system really, disrupting any progress like that :l

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Serious / Re: Why the Tories are bad for Britain.
« on: May 18, 2015, 09:30:02 AM »
I already commented on this video pointing out its flaws.

To the point: most of it is bullshit. Especially about the railways.

Can you copy/paste it here?

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Serious / Re: So I'm writing a 30-page essay about Iran...
« on: May 18, 2015, 09:20:48 AM »
Yank essay formatting is amusing <_<

But yeah, I'd quite like to read it <.<

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Serious / Re: Cameron renews his NHS pledges [TW: UK Politics]
« on: May 18, 2015, 09:20:01 AM »
CAMHS is actually quite good in NI. Maybe because mental health is a bigger issue hear that's harder to brush under the rug than it England.
Yeah <.<

Maaaybe it's just a localised issue/firsthand experience but it's a bit of a cointoss here.

When I was first referred I was assigned to a brilliant psych who helped me sort my shit out, they did EMDR for the PTSD and it was 10/10. Then when I'd spoken to a few people who all got lumped with one of the other shrinks there, jesus christ he sounded like an asshat. Then we did this family therapy thing (10/10 would laugh at again) with him chairing it and christ he shouldn't be a shrink at all. Quite how he's passed the ongoing professional proficiency shit is beyond me.

The changeover period is a farce too, when they get a patient who is 16/17 they tend to just fudge the paperwork for a few months until they are too old to be treated by CAMHS and then say 'oh, you need to be assessed by the adult team and get put onto that waiting list instead' so that's about 15 months it took them to hand me from one service to the other. GG.

>_>

But yeah, in short camhs/amhs need to get their shit together and a bigger budget/more staff would certainly help reduce the waiting times.

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Gaming / Re: The Last of Us Remasterd
« on: May 17, 2015, 08:32:33 PM »
I bought it when it came out last year (TLOU:R, not the original obviously) and it seemed good but ehh screamy corridors full of jumpscare rape-machines was not my idea of fun. So it sat on the shelf for about 9 months and then the other week (3 or so ago) I picked up where I'd left off and just laughed my way through shoulderbitingsimulator2014 (The difference wearing headphones makes eh?) and got through the worst of the jumpscare rape-machines to the point where you are killing meatbags primarily which is a much more enjoyable experience and by that time you have enough weapons to comfortably take out any Ainsley Harriotts that come after you.

I haven't finished the story yet but I know the plot vaguely well enough to tell that I'm close to the end. The story is done pretty well, above average for video game plotlines and if you contrast it with destiny it's shakespeare incarnate but  yeah, the story might be a bit of a generic zombie apocalypse sort of deal but it's done well enough to have you wanting to play the next part rather than just 'Is this over yet?' like some games tend to do.

The CQB kills are deliciously brutal, ramming faces into the edges of walls and all sorts of creative shit. Gunplay is alright, usually comes down to OHK with the 9mm pistol for all meatbag enemies though so it's not really challenging.

I'd say 'predictable' kind of covers the story so far, or the major 'plot-twists' which mostly involve a 'oh this is going to happen' -> It happens.

All in all I'd say it's a fun game/worth buying but it's not quite the HYPEHYPEHYPEGOTYGOTYGOTY chimpout that went on around it's release.

tl;dr you should enjoy it

So it's a lot like the walking dead games?
Not sure really, I played about 10 mins of the one when it was free but they aren't my thing.

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Serious / Cameron renews his NHS pledges [TW: UK Politics]
« on: May 17, 2015, 06:45:50 PM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32772548

Full article
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Prime Minister David Cameron is to renew his vow to boost NHS funding and create a "seven-day" health service in his first major post-election speech.

He will commit to a pre-election pledge to increase budgets by at least £8bn a year by 2020, during his speech at a GP surgery in the West Midlands.

Outlining the government plans, he will say the NHS is "safe in our hands".

The British Medical Council said that without proper detail the announcement was "empty headline-grabbing".

It said the government was yet to explain how it would devlier additional care at a time of "chronic" doctor shortages.

Ahead of the election, the Conservatives gave their backing to a plan by NHS England chief executive Simon Stevens to fill a funding gap estimated at £30bn a year by 2020.

This aims to make £22bn in efficiency savings, with the rest coming from taxpayers.

The prime minister is expected to describe the health service as the embodiment of "one nation" politics.

Mr Cameron is to say the proposals will transform services across the country, with more GPs, faster access to new drugs and treatments.

They will also bring a greater focus on mental health and healthy living, he will say.

The PM is expected to say it is "shocking" how death rates for patients admitted to hospital on a Sunday are up to 16% higher than those admitted on a Wednesday and that a seven-day service would help save lives

"There is nothing that embodies the spirit of one nation coming together - nothing that working people depend on more - than the NHS," he will say.

"Our commitment to free healthcare for everyone - wherever you are and whenever you need it.

"So I believe that together - by sticking to the plan - we can become the first country in the world to deliver a truly seven-day NHS."
The government is promising better access to doctors and healthcare

This must be done to preserve the values of the NHS that are "so central to our national identity", Mr Cameron will add.

"To keep our people healthy, to look after them when they fall ill, to care for the elderly with dignity and to ensure that free healthcare is always there whenever people need it most."

Mr Cameron is expected to deny that staff will have to work longer hours.

He will argue instead that work patterns must be more flexible, to ensure doctors and nurses are available at the right times.

Dr Mark Porter, BMA council chairman, said the government needed to clarify how it intended to "translate this announcement into reality".

"The real question for the Government is how they plan to deliver additional care when the NHS is facing a funding gap of £30bn and there is a chronic shortage of GPs and hospital doctors, especially in acute and emergency medicine, where access to 24-hour care is vital," he said.

"Without the answer to these questions this announcement is empty headline-grabbing and shows that even after polling day, politicians are still avoiding the difficult questions and continuing to play games with the NHS."

Downing Street said the GP Access Fund, set up under the previous Conservative and Liberal Democrat coalition government, was already extending opening hours.

Consumer group Which? called for the government to make reforming the complaints system an integral part of its plans.

Its executive director Richard Lloyd said: "Last year we found that four in 10 people who had a problem with the NHS didn't complain, with one in seven saying they were put off from doing so because they feared getting worse care or treatment as a result."

Snipping the bits that piqued my interest
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The British Medical Council said that without proper detail the announcement was "empty headline-grabbing".

It said the government was yet to explain how it would devlier additional care at a time of "chronic" doctor shortages.
1. Pretty much, seeing a proper plan would at least help assuage the scepticism of the tories just getting the knives out to carve it up <_<
2. lol@BBCtypo
3. I'd really like to see what they plan to do about this too.

For the next few bits, I'll take them at their word/give them the benefit of the doubt for once.

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They will also bring a greater focus on mental health and healthy living, he will say.
Thank fucking god
CAMHS is a farce beyond belief and the changeover handling is a disgrace. Let alone the way the MH departments get shafted budgetwise despite the cost of hiring shrinks being a fraction of hiring a consultant/GP. Treat more people for the same price = Duhoy.

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"Our commitment to free healthcare for everyone - wherever you are and whenever you need it.

"So I believe that together - by sticking to the plan - we can become the first country in the world to deliver a truly seven-day NHS."

It sounds like wishful thinking but hell, as I said I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. If they can pull this off, then that's most likely going to earn them my vote despite the IDS and Osbournes <_<

Assuming that they mean what they say about free healthcare remaining free that is.

The full quote by the BMA chairman is probably worth noting though, as a bucket of cold water to check the wishful thinking above

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Dr Mark Porter, BMA council chairman, said the government needed to clarify how it intended to "translate this announcement into reality".

"The real question for the Government is how they plan to deliver additional care when the NHS is facing a funding gap of £30bn and there is a chronic shortage of GPs and hospital doctors, especially in acute and emergency medicine, where access to 24-hour care is vital," he said.

"Without the answer to these questions this announcement is empty headline-grabbing and shows that even after polling day, politicians are still avoiding the difficult questions and continuing to play games with the NHS."

Sooooooo, thoughts?

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Gaming / Re: The Last of Us Remasterd
« on: May 17, 2015, 06:32:38 PM »
I bought it when it came out last year (TLOU:R, not the original obviously) and it seemed good but ehh screamy corridors full of jumpscare rape-machines was not my idea of fun. So it sat on the shelf for about 9 months and then the other week (3 or so ago) I picked up where I'd left off and just laughed my way through shoulderbitingsimulator2014 (The difference wearing headphones makes eh?) and got through the worst of the jumpscare rape-machines to the point where you are killing meatbags primarily which is a much more enjoyable experience and by that time you have enough weapons to comfortably take out any Ainsley Harriotts that come after you.

I haven't finished the story yet but I know the plot vaguely well enough to tell that I'm close to the end. The story is done pretty well, above average for video game plotlines and if you contrast it with destiny it's shakespeare incarnate but  yeah, the story might be a bit of a generic zombie apocalypse sort of deal but it's done well enough to have you wanting to play the next part rather than just 'Is this over yet?' like some games tend to do.

The CQB kills are deliciously brutal, ramming faces into the edges of walls and all sorts of creative shit. Gunplay is alright, usually comes down to OHK with the 9mm pistol for all meatbag enemies though so it's not really challenging.

I'd say 'predictable' kind of covers the story so far, or the major 'plot-twists' which mostly involve a 'oh this is going to happen' -> It happens.

All in all I'd say it's a fun game/worth buying but it's not quite the HYPEHYPEHYPEGOTYGOTYGOTY chimpout that went on around it's release.

tl;dr you should enjoy it

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The Flood / Re: Wowwww this place is pretty dead
« on: May 17, 2015, 06:20:01 PM »
Well it's always slower on Sundays.

^This, sundays are slowdays <.<
And do you want to know why?
Spoiler


In general it's been slow the last while but I'm kinda guessing that's to do with it being crunchtime at school/college/university for a lot of people. Things should start to pick up a bit more after the exam bongarong.

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Gaming / Re: Iconic theme songs
« on: May 17, 2015, 03:45:22 PM »
YouTube


Iconic for anyone who has played a dawn of war game ever <_<

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The Flood / Re: Fury Road or Road Warrior?
« on: May 17, 2015, 02:05:19 PM »
Is the new one already out in the UK?
Yup, came out Thursday.

Ooh nice, I'll have to go and see it <.<

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The Flood / Re: Fury Road or Road Warrior?
« on: May 17, 2015, 02:00:07 PM »
Is the new one already out in the UK?

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The Flood / Re: Loli is legal according to US law.
« on: May 17, 2015, 10:10:50 AM »
I think it's pretty disgusting, I don't think it should be illegal though. Giving people who are inclined that way a harmless outlet for their impulses is much better than repressing them to the point where they snap and go and act upon them.

Paedophiles - Empathy and treatment to make sure they never act upon the urges and don't just end up killing themselves over it.

Child Molestors - A noose is too kind for them

Simple distinctions are the key here.

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The Flood / Re: Attack on Titan movie trailer
« on: May 17, 2015, 08:15:42 AM »
1:18 Hanji is using a stinger and an RPG...
This should be amusing.

It looks slightly less shit than I thought it would be from that leaked poster thing, probably worth a watch at some point <.<

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The Flood / Re: what would you do to be a mod on here
« on: May 17, 2015, 08:12:32 AM »
Hmm well if I get to have robotics instead of human limbs, then this is as good a time as any to start <_<

It's good to see some of you have the right idea about what the jerb is like though.

Watch this video
YouTube

Then add this one
YouTube

Finally ending with a
YouTube


Then resolve these three issues.

That's a day in the life of a mod <_<

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Gaming / Re: Minecraft aesthetic
« on: May 16, 2015, 08:53:37 PM »
Psy pretty much got it but I might as well give my two cents.

Probably two of the most important details in creating good looking builds is block variety and depth. A big wall of the same block looks incredibly boring, so try breaking up any large surfaces with different blocks and patterns. As for large walls you'll want to include depth by either having several layers and carving into them, or by using stair blocks and slabs to make indentations. It's a lot like sculpting. You sometimes gotta dig in to figure it out. 


Like in this example above, being the palace I'm building on Green's server the front (while needing some finishing touches) aesthetically is pretty much complete paired with block patters, varieties, and some chiseled depth.


Above is a long distant side view of the palace, looking at the walls and the cylinder that makes up one of my onion domes you can see it's a very flat surface, while with some block variety is kinda dull.

With future improvements I plan to cut in and add more to the sides to flesh them out a bit. I'm thinking to open up the upper half  of the long wall to be (on both sides) sort of sun rooms with plenty of seating and a good view of the sky accompanied by archways and hanging gardens. the cylinder I will add more along the sides for more details such as fences, additional sandstone and grey brick supports. This should bring out the cylinder more with the additional edges.

Spoiler
The dirt wall will be covered up by massive sandstone walls, as I plan to make this into an acropolis.

I also use some mods that tend to cover up minor imperfections so if you'd like the texture pack I'm using and the shaders mod I'll go ahead and link them here.

Sonic Ethers Unbelievable Shaders. Just follow the guidelines in the thread (I recommend turning it off when mining, or else you can't see shit.)
http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/mapping-and-modding/minecraft-mods/1280299-sonic-ethers-unbelievable-shaders-v10-1

HerrSommer Medieval Texture Pack.
http://www.planetminecraft.com/texture_pack/herrsommer-medieval-14/
or
http://resourcepack.net/herrsommer-medieval-resource-pack/


Sorry if I'm not as in depth as you'd like, I'm pretty poor at walking people through things.

Bloody hell those textures/shaders .-.
10/10

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The Flood / Re: I can't believe I never saw this
« on: May 16, 2015, 11:44:32 AM »
lol yeah, all those years of MLG montage parodies and hearing the screams that pretty much came from this one video and I only saw it a few months ago now.

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Gaming / Re: Minecraft aesthetic
« on: May 16, 2015, 11:42:22 AM »
Spend a while in creative on a SP map and play around with a few designs, you can draw ideas from existing architecture too if you aren't really able to get a good idea.

For example



This guy's base looks really cool, the design of the house isn't the important part but the way it's situated/built into the landscape to get a nice view out of his window. So I guess that would be the second tip, rather than building a dollhouse out of generic materials and having it immaculate I'd say build with the landscape.

The third one I'd suggest is depending on your aesthetic tastes, you can make a purely functional base and then enjoy the look of that. This might apply more for modded minecraft mind you, but I quite like having bases that serve a purpose in multiple buildings to create a bigger 'house'. So for tekkit stuff, a power plant and a hydroponics bay with a factory and all that in various areas of the base <.<

[Rambling intensifies]

Hopefully something in that^ is useful lol.

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Serious / Re: The UK fox hunting ban
« on: May 16, 2015, 11:12:00 AM »
However chasing the poor bastard across miles and miles literally hounded every step of the way by horseback-mounted trumpet blaring little wankers to the point of exhaustion upon which it's shredded by the hounds...
I agree, which is why I said:

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I wouldn't say I agree with the hunts with a lot of pomp, which go on for furlongs and furlongs

Yeah, the trouble is all the pomp and poofery that goes with it is as much a part of the foxhunt as the actual killing of the fox. If it was steeple chasing with dogs and a truckload of ceremony crap then that's one thing but the issue arises from the way they kill the poor bastard.

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I've seen what's left of a fox after a pack of hounds has set to it, there is no way on earth it meets a quick and painless end.
Come on, man, you can't use what you've seen after a hunt to induce what happened during the hunt. And you certainly can't say that it simply must be worse than the possibility of a misplaced bullet because you've seen a mangled fox's corpse.

I agree that the pompous ceremonial attitude that goes with it is uncivilised and barbaric, but for the most part coursing seems like a fairly standard way of both controlling the population and protecting livestock. It can't be any coincidence that farmers' unions were vehemently opposed to the ban.
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I'd actually refer you here to the guardian article you yourself linked >.>

The dogs don't just kill it neatly with a broken neck, there is a mob of frenzied hounds all clamouring to take a bite out of the fox and it ends up being torn to shreds/mauled before it actually dies. A bullet to the head will kill pretty quickly if it's done properly, a retriever hound isn't going to destroy the game it's retrieving but foxhounds really go to town on the foxes and there is barely anything left at times.

It's cruelty plain and simple, hunting should not be done to cause as much carnage as possible simply for the entertainment of the hunter.

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Serious / Re: The UK fox hunting ban
« on: May 16, 2015, 09:03:52 AM »
I've lived in the countryside for the best part of my life, foxes have killed a few chickens that belong to a friend of the family and they shit on our lawn so the dogs roll around in it and come into the house reeking to high hell.

And yet, our friend's chicken coop was DIY and made out of a weak wire mesh that you could bend with your pinkie finger and deer, birds, badgers, hedgehogs and god knows what else uses the lawn as a latrine. I'm not rearing to shoot creatures for acting naturally.

If a fox is in your henhouse and you shoot it to save your chickens, that's fair enough. However chasing the poor bastard across miles and miles literally hounded every step of the way by horseback-mounted trumpet blaring little wankers to the point of exhaustion upon which it's shredded by the hounds... yeah that's not alright at all.

I've seen what's left of a fox after a pack of hounds has set to it, there is no way on earth it meets a quick and painless end.

A ghille stalker going around the woods and shooting the odd animal for either conservation (Deer) or food (Deer/Birds) is fine, it's not done primarily for entertainment and is usually quick and clean.

It's not done to protect livestock as surprise surprise the chicken farming industry didn't collapse overnight upon the ban coming into force, it's done for 'fun' and it is typically the preserve of the upper classes because the necessary equipment costs an arm and a leg hence the 'aristocratic barbarism' image. The best argument I can see for it being repealed is a traditions/heritage one, and yet that's still not good enough to justify killing animals for fun.

tl;dr Bloodsports involving animals are disgusting and wrong, repealing this ban would be a terrible running jump backwards in terms of how civilised the country is. If we want to degenerate to the level of the spaniards and make a spectator sport out of murdering/tormenting creatures then god help the UK.

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As of 30 minutes ago:
Roll out of bed, cough, turn on laptop/PS4, get dressed, talk to a friend, make tea, sit down at my desk and eat cereal.

I'd say I'm not screwed at all.

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Serious / Re: Dzhokhar Tsarnaev got death penalty.
« on: May 15, 2015, 09:37:23 PM »
And then in a wider sense it's more the differing approaches to combating the problem, I'd rather see things that discredit and undermine the enemy ideology deployed rather than physical attacks. Stuff kind of like this -> Jordinian muftis countering ISIS interpretations of the quran That could just be the adage of if all your tools are hammers then all the problems look like nails (Psychology is the hammer here <.<)

Actually, IS interpretations of the Qu'ran are generally accurate and valid. The problem is that the Qu'ran and the Hadiths are so broad and vague, that you can use them to justify anything. For example: the Qu'ran typically bans burning people alive. So what IS used to get around that to burn the Jordanian pilot is that a Hadith states that you may punish an enemy using the same thing that he did. And those bombings that the pilot did often incinerated people alive, so there's IS's justification for burning him alive which is Qu'ran-friendly.

Many of these Middle Eastern states accusing IS of not being Islamic are just lying, since IS follows the Qu'ran extremely literally. If anything, states like Saudi Arabia and Jordan are not Islamic, since they've diverged from the Qu'ran a lot more than IS.

tl;dr: IS is very Islamic, and anyone who claims that they're un-Islamic are bullshitting themselves.

inb4i'maccusedofbeingaterrorist

Ehh yeah, good point.

I suppose it's the same shit with how you can argue that throwing rocks at gay people is 'Christian' because it's in the bible, sure it might be in your holy book but it makes you a savage to be doing it. Alternatively you can look at 'turn the other cheek' and 'love thy neighbour' and still be a christian with the added benefit of not being a lunatic.

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The Flood / Re: REAL HUMAN BEAN
« on: May 15, 2015, 09:32:06 PM »
Fuck you psy

I dindu nuffin

YouTube

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Serious / Re: David Cameron and the Tories are ready for class war
« on: May 15, 2015, 04:46:17 PM »
afaik the BIJ is independent enough for it to not be the usual slander and speculation that passes for news. lol.
I fucking hope so. The election coverage--especially after the Tory win--has really turned me off mainstream media. I pretty much only read the Financial Times now.

Yeah that's certainly understandable. I don't normally read much of the politics section though, BBC Headlines, Science and Technology + BPS fortnightly digest = my news <.<

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Serious / Re: Dzhokhar Tsarnaev got death penalty.
« on: May 15, 2015, 04:31:09 PM »
but killing someone for having a shitty ideology or a wrong one is unpleasantly reminiscent of exactly what the people with said ideologies would like to do.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I agree. You're a scumbag if you're murdering Islamic militants in the streets, I'm just saying we shouldn't forget we have the intellectual capacity to be proportionate between different levels of immorality. It's all well and good comparing actions to ideal counterfactuals, but actual moral considerations often don't give us the luxury of such counterfactuals.

I don't think the killing of Tsarnaev is moral in any absolute sense, it's just the least immoral option.
Hmm true, I still think that throwing him into a cell for the rest of his natural life is slightly less immoral than executing him though. In some ways anyway, the moral highground is less bloodied but on the other hand he has to suffer a miserable existence at the taxpayer's expense which kind of muddies the waters.

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Serious / Re: Dzhokhar Tsarnaev got death penalty.
« on: May 15, 2015, 04:17:17 PM »
but it's still sinking to their level.
Hardly. Motives matter.

Killing somebody as a display of intolerance towards toxic, fascist ideologies (prisoner or not) is always going to be more moral than killing somebody (prisoner or not) in pursuit of those very same toxic, fascist ideologies. Even if the net body count is the same at the end of the day. Some people have more moral worth than others.

I was opposed to the death penalty for a very long time, and still am in most instances, but the nature of war has changed. People like Tsarnaev aren't just criminals, they're enemy combatants willing to bomb civilians in pursuit of their Medieval world-view. I can't morally justify keeping him alive on the taxpayer's dime.

Ehh that's a bit of a relative judgement to make, not necessarily a wrong one but killing someone for having a shitty ideology or a wrong one is unpleasantly reminiscent of exactly what the people with said ideologies would like to do.

I suppose ultimately war criminals can be executed for their crimes, we hung the nazis at nuremberg for their crimes so perhaps it's not all that bad to do the same again here but it really doesn't strike me as something that will make an improvement in the world which begs the question as to what the purpose of doing it is.

And then in a wider sense it's more the differing approaches to combating the problem, I'd rather see things that discredit and undermine the enemy ideology deployed rather than physical attacks. Stuff kind of like this -> Jordinian muftis countering ISIS interpretations of the quran That could just be the adage of if all your tools are hammers then all the problems look like nails (Psychology is the hammer here <.<)

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Serious / Re: David Cameron and the Tories are ready for class war
« on: May 15, 2015, 04:10:31 PM »
but it's not really great for the government of a country to be implementing policies that result in the population going hungry.
I agree, but it seems like more of a function of an incredibly unwieldy welfare system that has been added to constantly since the premier of Lloyd George. Take Universal Credit, for example, it's a good idea that falls flat on its fucking face because piecemeal reforms to a complicated system don't work.

But, of course, I'm not claiming the Tories are without malicious idiots. I don't know whether IDS is malicious, or just an idiot, but when people like Edwina Currie say that individuals who use food banks also waste their money on tattoos and dog food there's clearly an issue. But it's the individuals at fault, not some imaginary ethos of the whole party.

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Even if it's not technically corruption, it still reeks of it and does nothing to dismiss the 'looking out for your pals' image that the tories have.
To be honest, I don't really know enough about the sale itself to comment so I'll have to read up on it further.

Indeed, there are some truly unpleasant tories and plenty of more than respectable ones.
Two smaller calibre examples are the MP for my constituency and the MP for my grandparent's one.

Mark Garnier - Mine - Got re-elected despite taking 'gifts' (See: Bribes) from tobacco companies shortly before voting against the packaging reforms. Small fry, true but it's not what I'd like to see in an MP.

Peter Bone - Grandparent's - Got re-elected and has a brilliant track record of standing up for his constituent's interests and surprisingly for a backbencher turns up in parliament a hell of a lot <.<

The nasty party crap is indeed nothing better than the daily mail's ranting about everything from bottled water to carcinogenic oxygen, but there are still some legitimate and fairly serious concerns about the tories (Same for all really)

The preferred investor stuff is detailed in the link reasonably well, afaik the BIJ is independent enough for it to not be the usual slander and speculation that passes for news. lol.

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The Flood / Re: ITT: Verbatim might get angry
« on: May 15, 2015, 04:04:58 PM »
Why don't they give all the waste foods to a foodbank or charity again?

Because that would be nice.

We have to throw out tons of meat a year, to honor the bloody sacrifice of those animals we slaughtered.

Meatbags are such unpleasant creatures <_<

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Serious / Re: Dzhokhar Tsarnaev got death penalty.
« on: May 15, 2015, 04:04:37 PM »
ISIS totally didn't see a surge in popularity shortly after Al Qaeda died off.
Which also coincided with the Coalition pulling out of Iraq, a surge in Saudi support and their victory in capturing East Syrian oilfields.

True, I'm not saying we shouldn't have killed Bin Laden but a combat kill isn't the same as an execution. Killing your enemy in war is fine, which is why it's all well and good to bomb the bejeesus out of them (Provided that isn't codeword for bombing villages full of civvies because one guy owns an AK)

Executing a prisoner though, is a harder thing to justify even if the shithead is guilty as sin. I get that derka derkas aren't really the POW respecting types, but that's not reason enough for us to do what they do even if it is dressed up nicely and done with clinical efficiency.

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Whereas if they slung the little shit into a supermax to rot away, that's not going to give him any publicity about his pathetic cause.
I highly doubt that; Islamists are still enamoured with the murder of Lee Rigby and anybody willing to perform domestic terrorist attacks or fly over to Syria doesn't need Tsarnaev's death to galvanise them. It's like saying video games cause violent behaviour; we know that hate crime and terrorism aren't linked to variables like education, economic well-being or mental illness. It's the result of toxic values, which need no help from bombings to develop.

I don't agree with everything the West is doing, Cameron and May's new Extremism Disruption Orders make me uneasy. But, make no mistake, we are at war.
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Of course, but refer to my previous points about conduct in war. Killing POWs isn't an acceptable practice for a first world nation, no matter how scummy or terrible their actions are. Yeah we aren't going to break out the BBQ and grill some long pork like ISIS did, but it's still sinking to their level.

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Serious / Re: David Cameron and the Tories are ready for class war
« on: May 15, 2015, 03:58:51 PM »
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Yeah, IDS is a fucking scumbag. Not even going to try and defend him, there.

Good good, I would have been quite worried if you did <.<

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there has been a vast increase in the number of people needing to use foodbanks
What's the problem? Is it bad that people can voluntarily pull together after the greatest recession in our country's history? Not to mention, the amount of people on foodbanks is something like 1.5pc of the population for an average of 3 days each.

That's one way to spin it, I'm not saying it's the end of days and the great depression all over again, but it's not really great for the government of a country to be implementing policies that result in the population going hungry. Expecting charities to pick up the pieces isn't something that I would say is responsible governance.

If at the end of it all the population is back in work and no longer starving, sure that's perhaps grounds to justify the means but it's not one I'd be too quick to accept as right.

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or how the sale of royal mail went.
It went fine; it's ridiculously hard to value a company "properly" which has never traded privately or needed to attract private capital.
That's not the issue though, the valuation storm in a teacup distracts from the more important point of preferred investory status being given to groups that have ties to the governing party. Even if it's not technically corruption, it still reeks of it and does nothing to dismiss the 'looking out for your pals' image that the tories have.

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