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The Flood / Re: Is being ironic enough anymore?
« on: November 30, 2016, 03:52:22 PM »
I thought meta-ironic anti-memery was the new meme

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The Flood / Re: Disgusting weaboo music thread
« on: November 30, 2016, 03:50:24 PM »
Nagi is sekai ichi

sekai ichi BAN anta aho da

...しかし大丈夫。 あなたは私と戦争に行きたいですか? かかって来い。 あなたの最悪のことをしてください。 私は正直なところ、私は大嫌いをしないので、私を侮辱し続ける。 私がしなければならないなら、私はこの夜のように議論することができます。 踊りましょう。

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For this and abortion I've been of the opinion that it should be allowed under specific circumstances, but not promoted to the whole public as something normal, it's a final solution to a problem with no other easy answer, and letting it become widespread just breaks people's judgement of value.
Well naturally it's not something to promote, but I don't think it's going to make people value life any less if it becomes a 'normal' occurrence. Normal as in, not newsworthy, rather than frequent in day to day life.

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The Flood / Re: Disgusting weaboo music thread
« on: November 30, 2016, 03:42:29 PM »
Nagi is sekai ichi

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The Flood / Re: Idubbbz mental breakdown when
« on: November 30, 2016, 02:31:10 PM »
muh symbolism

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I guess that makes sense. I just don't like the concept where we get to choose who gets to exercise their rights and who doesn't.

I can't imagine being someone who has legitimately chosen to die and have some out of touch doctor say "No, you're not allowed."
It's not an easy thing to reconcile with ideas like freedom/liberty and personal choice but it's an important distinction to make (in my mind at least).

You would stop a toddler from drinking carbolic acid because it isn't capable of thinking it through properly, to me it's no different than intervening in a suicide attempt because chances are their mind is not working in a healthy way. Then if it turns out that it's the 'right' choice, as opposed to one spurred on by alcohol and a downward spiral in mood - the offer of a clean and painless death shouldn't be denied.

I think that's partly why these cases go before panels, rather than a single doctor. It's a lot harder to make mistakes or have personal biases take over when the process is laid out and takes input from multiple professionals.

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The point is that not being of sound mind doesn't bar you from choosing to not live. What if someone has a permanent mental condition? Are they destined to live in their hell forever until they decide to jump in front of a car?

Same with depression. It's a terrible illness, but you're not obligated to fight it  It's YOUR life, and you have every right to opt out.
If there is no way to cure it, or to improve QoL to the point where life is enjoyable/worth living then it should be an option.

Of course you aren't obligated to fight it, just as you aren't obligated to fight cancer. The only problem with it in this context is that it alters your state of mind* to a point where rational thought is distorted - making it hard for someone to make an informed choice about opting out when all they can 'see' is the same miserable grey instead of the 'real' colours on display. It's a delusional disorder** and so you have to be sure that the person who has given up is making that in a sound judgement rather than through delusion.

*Clinical Depression, not mild
**Same as above

The reason intervention is a thing with it, instead of just saying 'do a flip' is because it's an illness that can in most cases be overcome with the proper treatment.

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Even if you're mentally impaired. You don't get your rights stripped away because you're not sane.
A mentally ill person wouldn't have the proper capacity to exercise these "rights" you keep jerking off over.

Think, before you speak.
Yes, they would. Your human rights are inalienable. If you're concerned about your possibly future mentally ill self exercising a right you don't want to, make this clear in a note.

Otherwise, you can't strip away that right because of a mental condition. What if you're in unimaginable emotional pain constantly, but you're denied euthanasia because you have a screw loose? NO ONE has an obligation to live, especially people who might have a permanent mental condition.
I'd just like to point out that the issue is more the ability to make an informed decision about their treatment rather than whether they are completely mentally sound.

Someone who wishes to die is quite likely going to be depressed, making sure that they don't wish to die purely because depression is altering their mental state (I.e clinical depression) is the safeguard here.

Take the lady referred to in the article for example
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One of those who died was a sex abuse victim who suffered severe anorexia, chronic depression and hallucinations.
You could easily go 'not fit to make the judgement' from making your own snap judgement based on seeing 'chronic depression and hallucinations' as evidence of an unsound mind. But clearly the committee thought they were sound enough to consent to it/request it.

So it's not really a mental illness = unable to make decisions thing, nor is it fine to allow anyone with a condition to opt into euthanasia without checking that they are sound of mind.


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Is he speaking in third person now?

Oh wait oops he retweeted someone. I found it funnier when I thought he was speaking in third person
The Don does not approve of this legislation.

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The way they word it makes it sound like pretty much everything had been tried.
I think that's usually the case, from what flee said about something similar with belgian euthanasia, the ethics panel have to be convinced that nothing more can be done and that the person is of a sound enough mind to make that choice.

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I think everything should be tried before giving up. But in other cases, such as rape victims or worse, let them go out peacefully.
Hmm, I'm a bit more torn on that one.

But I guess it comes down to a similar scenario, if someone with PTSD and related issues is beyond help then forcing them to live is pretty cruel.

If no meds, shrink, doctor or alternate therapy has been able to help then yeah, it's not ideal for it to continue. Equally we don't have a great understanding of how to treat things like that yet, there are of course some very successful therapies out there but it's hardly like antibiotics->infection sort of treatment. It might be jumping the gun on it a little.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/man-holland-netherlands-dutch-euthanised-alcohol-addiction-alcoholic-netherlands-a7446256.html

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A man in the Netherlands has been allowed to die because he could no longer carry on living as an alcoholic.

Mark Langedijk chose the day of his death and was telling jokes, drinking beer and eating ham sandwiches with his family hours before he passed away.

He was killed by lethal injection at his parents’ home on 14 July, according to an account of the ordeal written by his brother and published in the magazine Linda.

The Netherlands introduced a euthanasia law 16 years ago, which is available to people in “unbearable suffering” with no prospect of improvement.

Marcel Langedijk wrote his brother had a “happy childhood” and was loved by both his parents, and only found out he had an addiction eight years ago.

“I was particularly angry at Mark,” he said. “At first we did what most people do; help. My parents especially have done everything humanly possible to save Mark.”

His parents continued to believe in a “happy ending” despite eight years of help and 21 stints in rehab. 

Eventually, Mr Langedijk told his family he wanted to die, but the family originally took the news with “a grain of salt”.

But his brother had no second thoughts. His application for euthanasia was approved by a doctor from the Support and Consultation on Euthanasia in the Netherlands.

On the day of his death, he “laughed, drank, smoked, ate ham and cheese sandwiches and soup with meatballs” until his doctor arrived at his parents’ home at 3.15pm.

His doctor explained the procedure, before telling Mr Landedijk to get into bed and to stay calm.

At this point, they all “started crying, my parents, everyone actually, even Mark”.

“We cried, told each other that we loved each other, that it would be all right, that we would care for each other, that we would see each other again, we held each other,” he said. “If it was not so terrible, it would have been nice.

“Mark's eyes turned away, he sighed deeply. His last. Dr Marijke injected the third syringe. His face changed, lost color. My little brother was dead.”

More than 5,500 people ended their life using Holland’s euthanasia laws last year. One of those who died was a sex abuse victim who suffered severe anorexia, chronic depression and hallucinations.

Fiona Bruce, a Conservative MP, told the Daily Mail news of Mr Landedijk's death was "deeply concerning and yet another reason why assisted suicide and euthanasia must never be introduced into the UK".

“What someone suffering from alcoholism needs is support and treatment to get better from their addiction – which can be provided – not to be euthanised," she added.

“It is once again a troubling sign of how legalised euthanasia undermines in other countries the treatment and help the most vulnerable should receive.”

Responding to Mrs Bruce, Marcel Langedijk told the Independent: "You can close your eyes to it and keep telling yourself everyone is curable but the fact remains, not everyone is.

"My brother suffered from depression and anxiety and tried to 'cure' it with alcohol. He's from a normal family, he did not want this to happen. He did not take an easy way out. Just a humane one.

"If that's troubling for Mrs Bruce that's a pity. I am just glad my brother did not have to jump in front of a train or live a few more years in agony before dying of his abuse.

"Alcoholism and depression are illnesses, just like cancer. People who suffer from it need a humane way out.

"It's not like we go around killing people in Holland. It took my brother a year and a half and many struggles to get it done."

What do you make of this?

I can kind of sympathise with the argument that when a person has been unable to be treated for a significant period of time for something like this, the option shouldn't be denied to them.

The thing his brother said stood out
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I am just glad my brother did not have to jump in front of a train or live a few more years in agony before dying of his abuse.

Is it more humane to allow someone to die properly, rather than trying to treat them until a bloody end?
Or is it wrong to give up on trying to help someone to get better?

Then you also have fairly unethical treatment options, with a pretty good rate of success, as performed by certain russian doctors. I can't remember his name but the procedure is the injection of an implant that causes uncontrollable nausea and vomiting when there is alcohol in the blood (I *think* it's derived from rubber tree extract). So you essentially force a person to stop drinking through classical conditioning.

It's not a mainstream treatment because of the risk of strokes, cardiac arrest and a couple of other undesirable possibilities - but for last resort alcoholic patients, should something like that be attempted before euthanasia is available?

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Serious / Re: Moral Machine
« on: November 30, 2016, 10:15:15 AM »
It's my phone
Psy you need to talk like this if you want be secretly
We can't let them know our plans
http://moralmachine.mit.edu/results/-1154049973
Every slider except for intervention is irrelevant.
The car should always stay its path.


what if it's a flock of skypes on the other lane crossing though?
It's almost as bad as replying in the middle of a quoted post.
Gocha
Over my cold dead memes will I use such a terrible way to reply
it was an accident I swear
A likely story schlomo
it sometimes just starts the text above everything else at the top of the post box.
they've gotten to you das

it's all over

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The Flood / Re: Cringe Thread: 2016 Year in Review
« on: November 30, 2016, 10:12:11 AM »

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Serious / Re: Moral Machine
« on: November 30, 2016, 10:11:34 AM »
Psy you need to talk like this if you want be secretly
We can't let them know our plans
http://moralmachine.mit.edu/results/-1154049973
Every slider except for intervention is irrelevant.
The car should always stay its path.


what if it's a flock of skypes on the other lane crossing though?
It's almost as bad as replying in the middle of a quoted post.
Gocha
Over my cold dead memes will I use such a terrible way to reply
it was an accident I swear
A likely story schlomo

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Serious / Re: Moral Machine
« on: November 30, 2016, 10:09:20 AM »
Psy you need to talk like this if you want be secretly
We can't let them know our plans
http://moralmachine.mit.edu/results/-1154049973
Every slider except for intervention is irrelevant.
The car should always stay its path.


what if it's a flock of skypes on the other lane crossing though?
It's almost as bad as replying in the middle of a quoted post.
Gocha
Over my cold dead memes will I use such a terrible way to reply

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Serious / Re: Moral Machine
« on: November 30, 2016, 08:20:03 AM »
We can't let them know our plans
http://moralmachine.mit.edu/results/-1154049973
Every slider except for intervention is irrelevant.
The car should always stay its path.
what if it's a flock of skypes on the other lane crossing though?
Gocha

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Serious / Re: Moral Machine
« on: November 30, 2016, 07:57:46 AM »
http://moralmachine.mit.edu/results/-1154049973
Every slider except for intervention is irrelevant.
The car should always stay its path.
what if it's a flock of skypes on the other lane crossing though?

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Gaming / Re: Hey Verbatim.
« on: November 30, 2016, 07:54:18 AM »
That's right, you read my post correctly,
MODDING IS A FUCKING JOKE
"But Verb, Modding is all about showcasing creativity without placing the same restrictions as developers on your work."
NO ITS NOT
nowadays its fucking commercialism, and every year people eat that shit up and download shit they don't really need to have right now because its free, because FUCK HUMAN LIFE, lets push everyone over like cattle just to get our shit.
You wanna know what I really wanna mod guys?

NOTHING
Cause it's Nothing but a joke. A waste of valuable time. You could be doing more productive things.
Like.... actually playing the games!
sorry verb i know this isn't even a good imitation of yours
you forgot the best bit tho

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The Flood / Re: Christmas is a joke
« on: November 30, 2016, 07:47:52 AM »
ohshitmahb

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The Flood / Re: Christmas is a joke
« on: November 30, 2016, 07:47:36 AM »
But anyway let's discuss how

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...But alright. You wanna go to war with me? Bring it on. Do your worst. Keep insulting me, because I honestly don't give a shit. I can argue like this all night if I have to. Let's dance.

can be added at the end of just about any statement and still work.
No it fucking can't you idiot

...But alright. You wanna go to war with me? Bring it on. Do your worst. Keep insulting me, because I honestly don't give a shit. I can argue like this all night if I have to. Let's dance.

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Serious / Re: Moral Machine
« on: November 30, 2016, 07:40:43 AM »

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Serious / Re: Car & Knife Attack on Ohio State Uni Campus
« on: November 29, 2016, 03:50:56 PM »
So you're telling me Sam Hyde WASN'T involved?
No this starvin marvin is just taking the fall for him

he can't keep getting away with this

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The Flood / Re: Fucking Black Friday
« on: November 28, 2016, 02:39:27 PM »
Pickles are fucking nasty though.

You should get a jar of pickles for occasions like that.
Precisely

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The Flood / Re: Fucking Black Friday
« on: November 28, 2016, 02:35:47 PM »
One of the older ladies I work with is all like "JUST GIVE THEM THE PICKLE!" then tells me some story about a sandwich place that normally doesn't give pickles and how some guy just gave away a pickle and they got a whole bunch of positive recognition for it. And I'm like "I'm just going to give them this Mickey plush for free because he forgot his wallet and Disney doesn't give a shit about a $20 plush".

^

Apologise for it, remove the sign and honour that transaction.
I mean I get it if it's a major fuck up for a few hundred, but when it comes to the small stuff it's better to keep a happy customer (who then returns again) than to kike them out over a few shillings.
You should get a jar of pickles for occasions like that.

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Serious / Re: Active Shooter on Ohio State Uni Campus
« on: November 28, 2016, 02:32:09 PM »
Oh boy religion of peace?
When will buddhists disavow this behaviour???

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The Flood / Re: Fucking Black Friday
« on: November 28, 2016, 02:31:07 PM »
god I love Michigan

if an item is incorrectly labelled here, you have to sell it to the customer for that price/bargain

that's how it should be
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Apologise for it, remove the sign and honour that transaction.
I mean I get it if it's a major fuck up for a few hundred, but when it comes to the small stuff it's better to keep a happy customer (who then returns again) than to kike them out over a few shillings.

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Serious / Re: Active Shooter on Ohio State Uni Campus
« on: November 28, 2016, 02:27:50 PM »
A peaceful religious fellow who got involved with the wrong crowd and decided to take part in normie hunting season. It's a real shame that so many young people get caught up in this craze.

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The Flood / Re: The Holocaust on ice!
« on: November 28, 2016, 01:58:17 PM »
oy vey

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Serious / Re: Where do you look for alternative political input?
« on: November 28, 2016, 01:45:15 PM »
Halo Archive's Politics thread.
I can only hope that it's as spectacular as serious used to be.

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