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The Flood / Re: Is being ironic enough anymore?
« on: November 30, 2016, 03:52:22 PM »
I thought meta-ironic anti-memery was the new meme
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The Flood / Re: Is being ironic enough anymore?« on: November 30, 2016, 03:52:22 PM »
I thought meta-ironic anti-memery was the new meme
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The Flood / Re: Disgusting weaboo music thread« on: November 30, 2016, 03:50:24 PM »Nagi is sekai ichi ...しかし大丈夫。 あなたは私と戦争に行きたいですか? かかって来い。 あなたの最悪のことをしてください。 私は正直なところ、私は大嫌いをしないので、私を侮辱し続ける。 私がしなければならないなら、私はこの夜のように議論することができます。 踊りましょう。 753
Serious / Re: Mark Langedijk - Netherlands Man chooses Euthanasia for Alcoholism« on: November 30, 2016, 03:47:06 PM »For this and abortion I've been of the opinion that it should be allowed under specific circumstances, but not promoted to the whole public as something normal, it's a final solution to a problem with no other easy answer, and letting it become widespread just breaks people's judgement of value.Well naturally it's not something to promote, but I don't think it's going to make people value life any less if it becomes a 'normal' occurrence. Normal as in, not newsworthy, rather than frequent in day to day life. 754
The Flood / Re: Disgusting weaboo music thread« on: November 30, 2016, 03:42:29 PM »
Nagi is sekai ichi
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The Flood / Re: Idubbbz mental breakdown when« on: November 30, 2016, 02:31:10 PM »
muh symbolism
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Serious / Re: Mark Langedijk - Netherlands Man chooses Euthanasia for Alcoholism« on: November 30, 2016, 02:25:00 PM »I guess that makes sense. I just don't like the concept where we get to choose who gets to exercise their rights and who doesn't.It's not an easy thing to reconcile with ideas like freedom/liberty and personal choice but it's an important distinction to make (in my mind at least). You would stop a toddler from drinking carbolic acid because it isn't capable of thinking it through properly, to me it's no different than intervening in a suicide attempt because chances are their mind is not working in a healthy way. Then if it turns out that it's the 'right' choice, as opposed to one spurred on by alcohol and a downward spiral in mood - the offer of a clean and painless death shouldn't be denied. I think that's partly why these cases go before panels, rather than a single doctor. It's a lot harder to make mistakes or have personal biases take over when the process is laid out and takes input from multiple professionals. 757
Serious / Re: Mark Langedijk - Netherlands Man chooses Euthanasia for Alcoholism« on: November 30, 2016, 02:14:28 PM »The point is that not being of sound mind doesn't bar you from choosing to not live. What if someone has a permanent mental condition? Are they destined to live in their hell forever until they decide to jump in front of a car?If there is no way to cure it, or to improve QoL to the point where life is enjoyable/worth living then it should be an option. Of course you aren't obligated to fight it, just as you aren't obligated to fight cancer. The only problem with it in this context is that it alters your state of mind* to a point where rational thought is distorted - making it hard for someone to make an informed choice about opting out when all they can 'see' is the same miserable grey instead of the 'real' colours on display. It's a delusional disorder** and so you have to be sure that the person who has given up is making that in a sound judgement rather than through delusion. *Clinical Depression, not mild **Same as above The reason intervention is a thing with it, instead of just saying 'do a flip' is because it's an illness that can in most cases be overcome with the proper treatment. 758
Serious / Re: Mark Langedijk - Netherlands Man chooses Euthanasia for Alcoholism« on: November 30, 2016, 01:57:13 PM »I'd just like to point out that the issue is more the ability to make an informed decision about their treatment rather than whether they are completely mentally sound.Yes, they would. Your human rights are inalienable. If you're concerned about your possibly future mentally ill self exercising a right you don't want to, make this clear in a note.Even if you're mentally impaired. You don't get your rights stripped away because you're not sane.A mentally ill person wouldn't have the proper capacity to exercise these "rights" you keep jerking off over. Someone who wishes to die is quite likely going to be depressed, making sure that they don't wish to die purely because depression is altering their mental state (I.e clinical depression) is the safeguard here. Take the lady referred to in the article for example Quote One of those who died was a sex abuse victim who suffered severe anorexia, chronic depression and hallucinations.You could easily go 'not fit to make the judgement' from making your own snap judgement based on seeing 'chronic depression and hallucinations' as evidence of an unsound mind. But clearly the committee thought they were sound enough to consent to it/request it. So it's not really a mental illness = unable to make decisions thing, nor is it fine to allow anyone with a condition to opt into euthanasia without checking that they are sound of mind. 759
The Flood / Re: Where were you when the President trash talked a 16 year old?« on: November 30, 2016, 12:18:55 PM »Is he speaking in third person now?The Don does not approve of this legislation. 760
Serious / Re: Mark Langedijk - Netherlands Man chooses Euthanasia for Alcoholism« on: November 30, 2016, 12:17:56 PM »The way they word it makes it sound like pretty much everything had been tried.I think that's usually the case, from what flee said about something similar with belgian euthanasia, the ethics panel have to be convinced that nothing more can be done and that the person is of a sound enough mind to make that choice. 761
Serious / Re: Mark Langedijk - Netherlands Man chooses Euthanasia for Alcoholism« on: November 30, 2016, 12:16:59 PM »I think everything should be tried before giving up. But in other cases, such as rape victims or worse, let them go out peacefully.Hmm, I'm a bit more torn on that one. But I guess it comes down to a similar scenario, if someone with PTSD and related issues is beyond help then forcing them to live is pretty cruel. If no meds, shrink, doctor or alternate therapy has been able to help then yeah, it's not ideal for it to continue. Equally we don't have a great understanding of how to treat things like that yet, there are of course some very successful therapies out there but it's hardly like antibiotics->infection sort of treatment. It might be jumping the gun on it a little. 762
Serious / Mark Langedijk - Netherlands Man chooses Euthanasia for Alcoholism« on: November 30, 2016, 11:24:27 AM »
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/man-holland-netherlands-dutch-euthanised-alcohol-addiction-alcoholic-netherlands-a7446256.html
Quote A man in the Netherlands has been allowed to die because he could no longer carry on living as an alcoholic. What do you make of this? I can kind of sympathise with the argument that when a person has been unable to be treated for a significant period of time for something like this, the option shouldn't be denied to them. The thing his brother said stood out Quote I am just glad my brother did not have to jump in front of a train or live a few more years in agony before dying of his abuse. Is it more humane to allow someone to die properly, rather than trying to treat them until a bloody end? Or is it wrong to give up on trying to help someone to get better? Then you also have fairly unethical treatment options, with a pretty good rate of success, as performed by certain russian doctors. I can't remember his name but the procedure is the injection of an implant that causes uncontrollable nausea and vomiting when there is alcohol in the blood (I *think* it's derived from rubber tree extract). So you essentially force a person to stop drinking through classical conditioning. It's not a mainstream treatment because of the risk of strokes, cardiac arrest and a couple of other undesirable possibilities - but for last resort alcoholic patients, should something like that be attempted before euthanasia is available? 763
Serious / Re: Moral Machine« on: November 30, 2016, 10:15:15 AM »It's my phonethey've gotten to you dasit sometimes just starts the text above everything else at the top of the post box.A likely story schlomoit was an accident I swearPsy you need to talk like this if you want be secretlyOver my cold dead memes will I use such a terrible way to replyWe can't let them know our plansIt's almost as bad as replying in the middle of a quoted post.http://moralmachine.mit.edu/results/-1154049973 it's all over 764
The Flood / Re: Cringe Thread: 2016 Year in Review« on: November 30, 2016, 10:12:11 AM »his fucking face holy shit 765
Serious / Re: Moral Machine« on: November 30, 2016, 10:11:34 AM »A likely story schlomoit was an accident I swearPsy you need to talk like this if you want be secretlyOver my cold dead memes will I use such a terrible way to replyWe can't let them know our plansIt's almost as bad as replying in the middle of a quoted post.http://moralmachine.mit.edu/results/-1154049973 766
Serious / Re: Moral Machine« on: November 30, 2016, 10:09:20 AM »Psy you need to talk like this if you want be secretlyOver my cold dead memes will I use such a terrible way to replyWe can't let them know our plansIt's almost as bad as replying in the middle of a quoted post.http://moralmachine.mit.edu/results/-1154049973 767
Serious / Re: Moral Machine« on: November 30, 2016, 08:20:03 AM »We can't let them know our plansGochahttp://moralmachine.mit.edu/results/-1154049973what if it's a flock of skypes on the other lane crossing though? 768
Serious / Re: Moral Machine« on: November 30, 2016, 07:57:46 AM »http://moralmachine.mit.edu/results/-1154049973what if it's a flock of skypes on the other lane crossing though? 769
Gaming / Re: Hey Verbatim.« on: November 30, 2016, 07:54:18 AM »you forgot the best bit thosorry verb i know this isn't even a good imitation of yours 771
The Flood / Re: Christmas is a joke« on: November 30, 2016, 07:47:36 AM »But anyway let's discuss howNo it fucking can't you idiot ...But alright. You wanna go to war with me? Bring it on. Do your worst. Keep insulting me, because I honestly don't give a shit. I can argue like this all night if I have to. Let's dance. 773
Serious / Re: Car & Knife Attack on Ohio State Uni Campus« on: November 29, 2016, 03:50:56 PM »So you're telling me Sam Hyde WASN'T involved?No this starvin marvin is just taking the fall for him he can't keep getting away with this 774
The Flood / Re: Fucking Black Friday« on: November 28, 2016, 02:39:27 PM »Pickles are fucking nasty though.PreciselyYou should get a jar of pickles for occasions like that. 775
The Flood / Re: Fucking Black Friday« on: November 28, 2016, 02:35:47 PM »One of the older ladies I work with is all like "JUST GIVE THEM THE PICKLE!" then tells me some story about a sandwich place that normally doesn't give pickles and how some guy just gave away a pickle and they got a whole bunch of positive recognition for it. And I'm like "I'm just going to give them this Mickey plush for free because he forgot his wallet and Disney doesn't give a shit about a $20 plush".You should get a jar of pickles for occasions like that.^ 776
Serious / Re: Active Shooter on Ohio State Uni Campus« on: November 28, 2016, 02:32:09 PM »Oh boy religion of peace?When will buddhists disavow this behaviour??? 777
The Flood / Re: Fucking Black Friday« on: November 28, 2016, 02:31:07 PM »god I love Michigan^ Apologise for it, remove the sign and honour that transaction. I mean I get it if it's a major fuck up for a few hundred, but when it comes to the small stuff it's better to keep a happy customer (who then returns again) than to kike them out over a few shillings. 778
Serious / Re: Active Shooter on Ohio State Uni Campus« on: November 28, 2016, 02:27:50 PM »
A peaceful religious fellow who got involved with the wrong crowd and decided to take part in normie hunting season. It's a real shame that so many young people get caught up in this craze.
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Serious / Re: Where do you look for alternative political input?« on: November 28, 2016, 01:45:15 PM »Halo Archive's Politics thread.I can only hope that it's as spectacular as serious used to be. |