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The Flood / Re: Would you rather
« on: July 13, 2015, 09:12:48 PM »
Mashallah

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Gaming / Re: I'm getting an Xbone in the next week or so <.<
« on: July 13, 2015, 07:45:19 PM »


Spoiler
Spoiler

you morons stay away hes playing BF4 with us first I swear to god I'll kill you all

Of course, a psyduck always keeps his word <_<

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Serious / Re: Well Germany has the right approach here <.<
« on: July 13, 2015, 07:44:26 PM »
Ditto to what irish said, it's pushing 2am so I shall have to reply to stuff itt in the morning <_<

Too tired lol

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Gaming / Re: I'm getting an Xbone in the next week or so <.<
« on: July 13, 2015, 07:31:49 PM »
Oh shit time to undust the etsbax maybe I'll actually try playing the battleofthericefields4 >.>
Spoiler
Banjo my honey
This is my GT shut the fuck up <.<
Welcome to the Rice Fields motherfucker, it's time for some jihad.

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Serious / Well Germany has the right approach here <.<
« on: July 13, 2015, 07:18:17 PM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-33464970

Full article embed for people who hate links
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Some men who are sexually attracted to children would like help to change their condition but fear doctors will tell the police. In Germany, though, a campaign is under way to persuade them to sign up for confidential treatment, even if they have abused a child - and doctors are hailing it as a big success.

Max is a science graduate, in his early thirties. Articulate, with a ready smile and an infectious laugh. He could be your neighbour, your work colleague or your sister's new boyfriend. A nice guy. An average bloke. Except he's also a paedophile.

Max is sexually attracted to pre-pubescent girls — typically between the ages of six and 11. It's an urge that for years filled him with self-loathing and despair.

"I would see a girl, and I would undress the girl in my mind, and it was just disgusting, and I'd say to myself: 'Stop this.' And it just wouldn't stop. I had feelings of disgust and fear," he says.

Max has never abused a child sexually, nor does he consume child pornography — itself a form of indirect abuse, because children are usually involved in its production. In fact Max is just one of many people who feel an attraction to children, but who are determined not to act on it.

They are sometimes called celibate or "virtuous" paedophiles. The word "paedophilia" describes the sexual attraction, not the abuse itself, so not all paedophiles are child abusers - and not all child abusers are paedophiles, experts say, since abuse sometimes has other root causes.

Celibate paedophiles are a hidden segment of the population. They have never committed an offence, so are unknown to the police. And because of the taboo - and the fear of violence from people who think they are child abusers - they usually keep their attraction secret.

    There is no such thing as the typical paedophile which people imagine. We are all different
    Max

It's a much bigger group than you might think. Recent research suggests that between 3% and 5% of men, from all social and economic backgrounds, could be sexually attracted to children. Some are attracted only to girls. Others only to boys. Others to both. And some are also attracted to adults.

"I don't have greasy hair, pebble glasses and wear tatty clothes," writes Max in a book he has published to help other paedophiles who don't want to abuse children. "There is no such thing as the typical paedophile which people imagine. We are all different, and completely normal people. The only thing we all have in common is a sexual attraction to children… I am learning to control the sexual side of my feelings."

He's doing that partly thanks to a radical treatment for paedophiles called the Dunkelfeld Prevention Project, which is in operation at 11 different centres across Germany.

For a year he attended group therapy, three hours every week.

"It was very painful," he tells me. "It was about getting to know a side of myself that I had hidden, a side that I didn't like to think about. It's painful to acknowledge that you are a paedophile. It was like standing in front of a mirror, and on the one hand thinking: 'What kind of a monster are you?' But it was also very healthy to stand in front of the mirror and say: 'I'm a paedophile, but that's OK, I won't do anything bad.'
Find out more

You can listen to this report on the PM programme on BBC Radio 4 from 17:00 BST on Monday 13 July.

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"A very important thing is acceptance. To be able to think and feel that paedophilia is a part of me, but it's not what defines me. My actions are what define me."

The treatment is a form of cognitive behavioural therapy which analyses past sexual behaviour and feelings, in order to come up with strategies to avoid potentially abusive situations in the future. Some practical advice is very simple, such as never being alone with a child. Other tactics are more complicated, and involve changing attitudes, for example helping the patient to grasp that sexual contact with children can never be consensual.

Controversially, the treatment is also available for men who have abused children in the past — even if that abuse has gone unreported.

So what does a therapist do if a patient says he has abused a child?

"If he comes to us and says, 'I have done something illegal in the past and don't want to do it again,' and that's the normal case for us, then we can help him to build up his self-regulatory behaviour to not do that again," says Dr Anna Konrad of the Charite hospital in Berlin.

But surely, I suggest, it's difficult to sit opposite a man who has abused children and try to help him?

"The main aim of the project is to protect children from being abused, and if I can help the person not to do that again, then for me it's quite clear that I should do that," she says.

In Germany, therapists are not only not obliged to report past abuse to the authorities, it is illegal to violate the principle of patient confidentiality - unlike in Britain, where therapists have a duty to report.

The British approach makes it extremely difficult to treat someone properly, Konrad says. The past behaviour of abusers can't be analysed effectively, and paedophiles rarely come forward for treatment in the first place because of the fear of arrest - if they have committed a crime they are right to be afraid, and even if they haven't they may still consider it too risky.

Max agrees with this.

"A treatment like this can prevent the first offence. Criminalisation — if it works very, very well, and it usually doesn't — can only prevent the second offence," he says.

More than 430 men have started the treatment. And because of a lack of places, there are long waiting lists. Since it was first set up in 2005 more than 5,350 people have contacted the network for advice or to find out more about the therapy. Anna Konrad says patients are asked to fill in a questionnaire at the start of the treatment and at the end - and that a comparison of the two suggests the success rate is good.

"I always knew that I was different, and what others thought about people like me," say masked men in a television commercial — one dressed as a doctor, another as a workman, another as a student.

"No-one is guilty because of their sexual inclination — but everyone is responsible for their behaviour," says the final young man as he takes the mask off, adding: "I don't want to become an offender."

The idea behind the policy is not to help the perpetrator instead of the victim — but rather to help the potential perpetrator, in order to prevent there being a victim in the first place.

tl;dr is that Germany is treating paedophiles in pretty much the best possible way to prevent first and further instances of abuse. If you make the seeking help part of it free from stigma and the like then rather than forcing people to hide and fall prey to their own inclinations (Stuffing skeletons into the closet only works for so long) and then end up crossing the line and ruining the life of another person.

If they can go to a therapist, ask for help and discuss the matter freely without then being thrown in a cell you are much more likely to prevent any future abuse from occuring. If they get thrown in jail and are abused by the public upon learning of their conviction, that's sure as shit going to stop people from seeking help in the first place.

But for discussion here, the controversial part I imagine is where the therapists are obliged by law to not report past abuses where they are in the UK. As an example

UK
Patient explains they abused a child wo years ago
Therapist has to report this by law, then the patient goes to jail and the possibility of helping them is forever trashed. The plus side of course is the justice being done for the victim, but that only goes so far to prevent other victims.

Germany
Patient explains they abused a child two years ago
Therapist is obligated to keep their fucking mouth shut when it comes to patient confidentiality, paedophile is helped to overcome their urges and then never abuses another child again. The down side being that there is no punitive justice for the victim.

So thoughts on the idea of putting prevention before punishment?
Would you rather just see all of them lynched and be done with it?
And what do you think about the way confidentiality is handled between the two systems?

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Gaming / Re: I'm getting an Xbone in the next week or so &lt;.&lt;
« on: July 13, 2015, 06:58:09 PM »
GT: Rocketman287

Surprised aren't you?

Verily

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The Flood / Re: list reasons why sociology is not a science
« on: July 13, 2015, 06:06:06 PM »
One thing though, for a more serious note, people really aren't rational beings and trying to assert that they are is just downright silly.
Seriously, read Friedman.

It's silly to think economists haven't thought of this.
Gimme a book name and I'll take a look for one perhaps <.<

Pretty much, I mean if Economics and Psychology teamed up like Psychology and Game Design did, and was half as effective, you'd have some pretty solid theories floating around <_<
Just look at how addictive the stuff King churns out is, and how many millions of people play their crappy games all day every day on their phones >_>

That's what happens why psychs use their powers for evil.

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The Flood / Re: list reasons why sociology is not a science
« on: July 13, 2015, 06:01:30 PM »
>people are not rational actors

somebody forgot to read their friedman
Have you met the great british public?
They aren't rational they are fucking mongs.
you mean like psychologists who think they're rational but make disparaging statements about a science, of which they know very little?

IF YOU DON'T READ YOUR FUCKING FRIEDMAN, YOU WON'T GET NO CUNTING CANDY
Now I know I'm sure as shit not rational, I'm way too many eggs short of a basket for that.

also
>candy
>britbong
08457 909090

One thing though, for a more serious note, people really aren't rational beings and trying to assert that they are is just downright silly. If you want some nice psycho-economics stuff for the example, look at how people can be manipulated with contemptuous ease in stores. The best example of it all is why all the checkouts are rammed with chocolates and chewing gum, that was the work of Watson I think (after his fall from grace) where he demonstrated that placing impulsive goods near the final transaction location resulted in, surprise surprise, people buying stuff they didn't need and probably should either but they buy them relentlessly.

Or how when you go food shopping with low blood sugar you end up walking away with a trolley full of crap you don't normally buy because your stomach overrides your higher thinking functions with I'M FUCKING HUNGRY BUY THAT WHOLE TRIFLE AND EAT IT LIKE THE PIG THAT YOU ARE etc.

I could go on but I'm tired and thinking about work after work is not something I'd like to do too much <_<

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The Flood / Re: Favorite dog breeds?
« on: July 13, 2015, 05:49:39 PM »
I do love whippets, they only have one downside (well two but one isn't really a problem if you train them well) they are very... vocal... animals <_<

It's like a chimp, parakeet and howler monkey all mixed into a dog's voice box.

Other than that, they are mischievous little sods and very clever <.<

I cannot STAND yappy dogs, I have a Yorkshire terrier and it just keeps yapping...and yapping...and yapping...I swear I want to throw him out the window sometimes.

Not that I would though.
God yeah, I'd never harm my dogs but one of them brings me so very close so very often with his nerve destroying screeches.

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The Flood / Re: list reasons why sociology is not a science
« on: July 13, 2015, 05:48:46 PM »
>people are not rational actors

somebody forgot to read their friedman
Have you met the great british public?
They aren't rational they are fucking mongs.

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Gaming / Re: I'm getting an Xbone in the next week or so <.<
« on: July 13, 2015, 05:47:19 PM »
I am disappointed in you, son.

I was getting ready to play PC games with you

and you do this
oh

Well a PC is the next big purchase for me (after a car) <.< but as long as my laptop is still chugging along I don't want to offend it's machine spirit >.>
what about a skeleton transplant
I'd need a bit more than a minimum wage job for one of those unfortunately.

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Gaming / Re: I'm getting an Xbone in the next week or so <.<
« on: July 13, 2015, 05:31:45 PM »
I am disappointed in you, son.

I was getting ready to play PC games with you

and you do this
oh

Well a PC is the next big purchase for me (after a car) <.< but as long as my laptop is still chugging along I don't want to offend it's machine spirit >.>

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The Flood / Re: list reasons why sociology is not a science
« on: July 13, 2015, 05:18:18 PM »
Economics is not a science.
i'll wreck you so bad you're marginal utility will increase during sex and you'll die of friction burns
QFF

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The Flood / Re: list reasons why sociology is not a science
« on: July 13, 2015, 05:16:13 PM »
Well given that psychology is the science of pseudosciences, having a pseudopsychologist state that sociology is a pseudoscientist ought to be enough of a convoluted statement that you just accept it like one of meta's econ101 threads.

sociology is a pseudoscience

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Gaming / I'm getting an Xbone in the next week or so <.<
« on: July 13, 2015, 04:57:57 PM »
t4r

Ordered it on amazon so it should be here within a week give or take, 21st is the estimate but sometimes it's faster. Getting master glitch collection and BF4.

So if anyone wants to add me on the Xbone, assuming I can transfer my old GT across without too much trouble then that should be all fine <.<

So post ITT with your GT if you want to, reason being that way I can double check later when I inevitable lose track of who's GT goes with who's username which is what happened on Bnet at one point >_>

If you are in the super secret illerminerty group already then you don't need to post ITT <_<

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The Flood / Re: Would you go to war?
« on: July 13, 2015, 04:46:25 PM »
I'd have no qualms about working with the intelligence side of things or the medical corps and the like, it'd probably be a better use of my skills than infantry work.

Hell if I was to be really put in my element then PsyOps/Propaganda and the like would be the best use for me.

But if it came down to watching bongistan get invaded and reamed by some commies, and it would be die as a grunt or in a gulag then I'll try and take some commies with me <.<

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The Flood / Re: when you first did drugs
« on: July 13, 2015, 07:23:10 AM »

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The Flood / Re: You can get rid of one type of insect
« on: July 13, 2015, 07:21:27 AM »
Daddly Long-legs (flies) or Cranefly as yanks call them <.<

I can live with flies and moths at night, a nuisance but tolerable. Those fucking things make it so that I can't open the windows more than a slice or else I'm getting divebombed by the fuckers all night ._.

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The Flood / Re: when you first did drugs
« on: July 13, 2015, 06:38:27 AM »
There are plenty of people who know how you think better than you do.

There's a whole science behind it.
and most of it is absolute hogwash
Also,
Ehh well there isn't a right or wrong point here as such.

A lot of psychology is hogwash, a lot of it isn't. It's still a fledgling science partly because the thing it's trying to measure is more malleable than just about anything else in existence (that we know of).

As for knowing what someone is thinking better than they do, that's a very tricky one. A good shrink can seem like a mind reader, but that boils down to knowing how people tend to think in general (studying it, experiencing it) and being perceptive enough to read non-verbal cues or to extract sub-contexts from the sentences being spoken aloud.

But for a general term, psychs don't know what you are thinking better than you do. They are very good at finding out what you are thinking and then knowing/revealing why you are thinking like that but it's not actually a psyker school <.<

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The Flood / Re: "I did not have sexual relations with that anime."
« on: July 12, 2015, 07:33:18 PM »
Where do you get your fine selection of avatars from?

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The Flood / Re: Favorite dog breeds?
« on: July 12, 2015, 06:16:06 PM »
I do love whippets, they only have one downside (well two but one isn't really a problem if you train them well) they are very... vocal... animals <_<

It's like a chimp, parakeet and howler monkey all mixed into a dog's voice box.

Other than that, they are mischievous little sods and very clever <.<

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The Flood / Re: Ninjas and the overlords of sep7agon
« on: July 12, 2015, 05:52:48 PM »
Marshalla brother.
Mashallah <.<

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The Flood / Re: What beers, whiskies, etc... have you drank?
« on: July 12, 2015, 05:00:13 PM »
My mum thought it would be funny to let 6 year old me try Chartreuse, you see at the time a glow in the dark green drink seems very appealing to a little child but since it was like tasting a glass of petrol and I spat it all over the floor I don't really count that.

So basically none and that's the way I intend it to stay.

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The Flood / Re: Fun Fact!
« on: July 12, 2015, 04:13:41 PM »
If a mod posts a shitpost, is it still a shitpost?
If you shoot a man before throwing him out of a plane, is that a nice thing to do or a nasty thing to do?

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The Flood / Re: Fun Fact!
« on: July 12, 2015, 04:04:15 PM »
So what is your avatar of?
Tru has embedded a large scale of it, but this is a wonderful shop that SuperIrish did where he stuck the angry techpriest face onto the body of Legate Lanius from FNV and the other version has the text 'Shitposters like you belong on a cross' parodying the 'Degenerates like you belong on a cross'.

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The Flood / Re: Fun Fact!
« on: July 12, 2015, 03:50:54 PM »

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Serious / Re: Why didn't the Jews fight back?
« on: July 12, 2015, 03:49:28 PM »
Why didn't the Japanese-Americans fight back? Why didn't black slaves fight back? Why didn't the Irish fight ba- oh, bad example. Anyways, they really had no means to do so. They were starved and worked, with no tools or means for organization.
I think the better question would be why didn't the French fight back? Jews could have been safe there.
They did, they just did the usual frenchman's job of it and surrendered after a few broken baguettes and a couple of squashed bries.
obligatory the french have won dozens of wars post

I mean lol I agree
The only war they won that was actually worth anything was the 1066 conquest <_<


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Turns out the Gulf War was clearly justified and had significant positive ramifications for the country, and to call Saddam a "two-bit dictator" exposed how worryingly out of touch Sanders was and is.
LOL

never taking an opinion of yours seriously again
Actually the gulf war was fairly justified, given that Saddam was straight up genociding ethnic groups he didn't like and invading other countries for their oil fields.

Sure it was a bad idea that laid the groundwork for further strife in the region, but then again that's nothing new in the shithole of a region. If anything it was the Soviets invading afghanistan whilst the yanks poured weapons into the region that started this whole mess off <.<

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The Flood / Fun Fact!
« on: July 12, 2015, 07:02:45 AM »
You can't spell Autopsy without Psy.



I have a space next week if anyone would like some discount surgery, byob recommended because fire extinguishers only do so much for anaesthetic.

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