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« on: January 17, 2016, 12:08:57 PM »
endless amounts of drama which isn't fun for anyone.
No It's plenty fun for some or they wouldn't purposely perpetuate it. In fact it's about the most activity inducing thing the site has going for it, aside from anarchy, which still has drama at its core.
You would be surprised actually, few of the drama generators on here were doing it on purpose. They were simply too boneheaded/volatile/inflammatory to not generate it. It is true though, nothing stirs up activity like a flamewar.
3542
« on: January 17, 2016, 11:55:03 AM »
I had to really barebones this one to make it work <.< That's definitely what I\'m thinking of. So that's what they're called in some places. Alright cool!
Yep, as with psychopathy and depression (really any area of psychology) you can literally make up a term for it and nobody will notice. You get an endless procession of portmanteaus and neologisms coined, which amusingly is similar to one of the clinical criteria for schizophrenia. I guess you really do have to be mad to become a psychologist. Right yeah. That's sort of what I was expecting. All the best to you there!
Yeah, it might change a little especially with the speed at which new developments are coming through but that's the general direction it seems to be headed in. Mind you, after my time shadowing the MDT in august it seemed like it didn't really matter whether or not the psychologists could prescribe medication as they were all working closely with a psychiatrist who can prescribe medication. So they'd consult one another over what they thought was appropriate, with the psychiatrist of course having final say given that medication is still the preserve of medical doctors <.< My bad. 
EDIT: Eh... I fucked up the replies. Whatever.
lol, no worries Quote snipping is a nightmare and I try to avoid it at all costs but eeh, when there are a barrage of questions sometimes it's necessary.
3543
« on: January 17, 2016, 10:31:36 AM »
Dark Souls is a game hanging over my head like the sword of guilty-damocles <_<
I do need to go back and play it, and I've been saying that for a few years now >_>
I stopped playing it because it wasn't doing my blood pressure any favours, which at the time... ehh... I was a pretty angry and volatile chap. That's not the case nowadays, special exceptions for BF4 multiplayer when irritation can appear from time to time.
I ought to give it a go when I get a bit of free time, I do owe it to cheese potato <.<
3544
« on: January 17, 2016, 08:24:36 AM »
Real ethnic hours aside, as time goes on we do lose users for one reason or another.
There are some that I miss and some that I can easily say I'm glad to see gone. Not because I had anything personal against them, but because they always ended up causing themselves and others endless amounts of drama which isn't fun for anyone.
But we also gain new users too and some of them have turned out to be quite alright.
Just wait until SecondClass does another recruitment run.
A strafing run would be equally entertaining e.e
3545
« on: January 17, 2016, 08:24:13 AM »
is to me
ghosts aren't real people though
3546
« on: January 17, 2016, 08:19:29 AM »
Real ethnic hours aside, as time goes on we do lose users for one reason or another.
There are some that I miss and some that I can easily say I'm glad to see gone. Not because I had anything personal against them, but because they always ended up causing themselves and others endless amounts of drama which isn't fun for anyone.
But we also gain new users too and some of them have turned out to be quite alright.
3547
« on: January 17, 2016, 07:24:51 AM »
Ban the Bunglers please thank you
inshallah
3548
« on: January 17, 2016, 07:03:40 AM »
not even 10 users online right now
dead like all the other offsites
3549
« on: January 16, 2016, 07:44:00 PM »
ninja'd
3550
« on: January 16, 2016, 07:43:24 PM »
Well now that's quite the coincidence lol
OP was very similar to another thread made recently, so the post went in there.
FYI op, we don't delete threads upon request but we do lock them. We also could have merged it for you.
No harm no foul tho
3551
« on: January 16, 2016, 06:04:09 PM »
Alright that's all for tonight ladies, gentlemen and shitposters.
Keep the questions coming and the replies, I always run my threads nice and methodically so if you post then I will reply to it in due course <.<
Earlier posts = earlier answers and all that
But for now that's enough mini-essays for one evening
3552
« on: January 16, 2016, 06:02:28 PM »
No need to hide the pyramids, we do things old school ITT Have you done any therapy yet? As a practitioner? Not yet
As a patient? Extensively
Oh dear. I remember that. >.>
Yep, mostly in the past now but I think I still have another round ahead of me before I've put all the demons to bed. If so what was your weirdest experience so far?
The moment of bizarre amusement as I sat in a family therapy session wondering how this eejit got to be qualified. This eejit being the psychologist running the session, If I wasn't so irritated by the atrocious way he handled my younger brothers I probably would have been laughing in his face that day.
Ask the question again in a couple of years and I might have some fun stories to tell from the perspective I think you were hoping for
Yeah I was going with you being on the other side of the psych. chair. The one diagnosing. I can only imagine what being on the receiving end of a bad psych. would be like. Not fun. [/quote] Yeh It's simply awful and it makes me genuinely angry when I hear of incompetence from psychologists, a bad psych can do far more harm through their stupidity than a bad doctor can do. The result of someone at breaking point reaching out for help and being smacked down through a dipshit with a checklist is [teeth grinding] My axe to grind aside, bad psychologists should be rounded up and shot. Or made into chartered accountants. Is sociopathy, psychopathy and ASPD the same thing? I seem to be getting conflicting answers on this one. Yes, No, Maybe, I don't know.
The trouble with psychology is that you can use any number of different terms to refer to the same condition.
MDD, MD, Clinical Depression, Severe Depression etc are all the same condition.
With Socio/Psycho/ASPD it's a tricky one. The way I have it pinned in my head, which is by no means definitive but there is no definitive answer here soooo
Sociopath - Someone who exhibits the traits as a result of abuse in early childhood (i.e Socially made)
Psychopath - Someone who exhibits the traits from an early age, without a history of abuse (i.e genetically made 'the warrior gene')
ASPD - the mincing fluffy way of diagnosing someone as a psychopath without the same level of stigma because the idiots who take a diagnosis of psychopathy and run to the press screaming tall tales of serial killers tend to be below the cognitive ability to pay attention to the term 'Antisocial Personality Disorder'
or to put it in a better light, it is the DSM's way of writing psychopathy as they believe it fits in better as a form of personality disorder rather than as a standalone clinical diagnosis. (I don't really agree here)
Ah yeah, similar to what my Dad said, especially on ASPD. This seems to be the answer from all the people who have actually studied psych.
Ah good, at least I'm not barking up the wrong tree then lol. Are you going for a PhD? Yes and No
Depending on your country it might be written as ClinPsyD or PsyD or PhD but it's all the same thing, just different ways of writing out 'Doctor of Clinical Psychology'
so yes
eventually
Ah I didn't know it was different. But yes, having the title of Dr.
Yeah it varies a little but that's the goal. How much do you know about cognitive distortions? I'm afraid this might need a bit more elaboration, the term doesn't quite fit into a category but I'm farily sure I know a bit about any of the possibilities.
Do you mean someone who holds FUBAR cognitive schemas that result in distorted patterns of thinking?
or someone who holds delusions at the cognitive level?
That might be it, it's pretty closely related with CBT iirc.
Say an example of a patient jumping to conclusions (jumping to conclusions being one of the distortions) and being anxious because of doing so.
I'm not sure what they're called beyond that so...
Ahh, yes in that case I do. Faulty schemas, assumptions and leaps of logic that go on in people's minds are what CBT sets out to correct. The example of someone you know not saying hello to you in the street can be explained as Faulty - they are ignoring me on purpose, they must dislike me or i've done something wrong -> avoid in future Normal - They were probably just busy or preoccupied, not a big deal I'll send them a message sometime and see how they are Also how much do you know of CBT? (Cognitive Behavior Therapy)
A fair bit, from the theoretical and patient level.
It's certainly one of the better psychological therapies out there.
Have you started thinking about what type(?) of therapy you would use regularly. (If that's a thing, i'm not entirely sure.)
Or does it vary on the patient?
Hmm, well I'm aiming to become a clinical psychologist which allows you to basically work with any of the major theoretical perspectives to tailor the treatment to the patient's requirements. So if they need CBT you can provide that, if they need humanistic counselling you can provide that, if they need something else - you can either do it or refer them to the right person for it. Really the only thing a clinpsy can't do is prescribe medication, which in some places is starting to change (extra clinical training to put them on par with a nurse practicioner and the like, so maybe by the time i qualify that's the new norm and I can add another tool to the toolbox <.< [pls no more spoilers it breaks the quotes and it took me 10 mins to fix this reply ;-;]
3553
« on: January 16, 2016, 05:48:38 PM »
Why do we fear death?
For the immediate panic and reaction to a grisly fate?
I would be inclined to think that's to do with simple biological programming.
If you look at the basic impulses of a life-form, avoidance of injury (pain) is a pretty strong command signal. Sticking your hand on a radiator that is too hot results in you moving away and probably swearing before you've had time to think.
For the more existential stuff?
Egh that's pretty open ended.
You could look at the effects of consciousness, how a person enjoys living and dislikes the cessation of enjoyment (Skinnerites) or from a more cognitive standpoint.
Fear of the unknown, fear of not finishing what you wanted to complete, fear of causing pain to loved ones. There are lots of ways to look at why we fear death and I think it will vary greatly from person to person.
I would fear death because it's the end of my usefulness on this planet, I'll quite probably die thinking that I could have done more to help others and that will suck shit through a straw.
That might be quite different from someone who fears death because they love the baser things in life (money, cars, nightclubs etc) and they don't want the party to stop.
The latter question, but I guess both are good answers. It's hard to phrase it in a way that is psychological and not philosophical.
Ah good, Philosophy was never my strong point.
3554
« on: January 16, 2016, 05:47:33 PM »
How does the language that synapses use to convey memories and thoughts look like? Is this a more effective language than everything that we have so far? Sure, neurons receive and send signal substances, but dopamine or some other stuff isn't gonna make me remember the colour and shape of a tv. In fact, even if there is some substance that conveys that sort of information, how does the pattern or w/e compare to remembering other objects?
See, your field seems boring when comapred to these questions imo
If we answer these questions, we could display our dreams and thoughts on tv, and we'd be able to transfer data to the mind at a remarkable pace. In fact, schools would be null, and we'd be able to control peoples' thoughts.
Action Potentials I think is the form it takes, this was briefly covered in a chapter on psychoneurology. I'll be honest and say that psycho-neurology is one of the fields I am not very confident in, as we haven't studied it in any depth. These are also the cutting edge of current understanding, so it's quite likely we won't have the answers for a good while. I believe they can all be answered eventually through interdisciplinary work between psychology and neurology (like cognitive neuroscience)
3555
« on: January 16, 2016, 05:42:51 PM »
What are good psychology books I can read that'll help me dominate social situations better and pretty much get me whatever I want? If that makes sense
Another question along those lines is what are some psychology tricks/tips I can learn about that are applicable in the real world, particularly when dealing in business settings or other people?
Thanks brizzy
Hmm Ordinarily I'm not a fan of people who use psychology in that fashion because it feels rather dishonest. However, I can direct you to someone that I think will show you what you are looking for but hopefully in the process teach you a bit more about whether it's right or wrong to use them. The closest thing I have to an idol I suppose, which is really just a person who's work I thoroughly enjoy and who's thoughts on life I truly respect. Dr Paul Ekman His books on human emotion and expression are basically as good of a scientific background to reading people that you will get. He also is very clear as to the limitations of these tools/teachings. To summarise it, if you study his materials and work thoroughly and take home the meanings you should get the following out of it - Being able to read a person's emotional state accurately and quickly, this comes with obvious benefits for dealing with other people. Knowing when to back down, when to press home and the like. - Clues towards deception, basically being good at spotting 'lies' in simple terms but more accurately when someone is concealing their true emotions from another person. This is where microexpressions come into play, if you get the hang of them then you'll be pretty well set for dealing with dishonest people. - Hopefully you will also come away with a broader view of the world, regarding in particular the aspects of human emotional lives and the like. Three points and three books Emotions Revealed Telling Lies Emotional Awareness (Conversation between Ekman and the Dalai Lama) I'd read them in that order, because ER lays the groundwork for human emotions TL shows you about humans being deceptive with their emotions and EA is an interesting book, because they touch on numerous concepts. What I would hope EA can bring to a person is an appreciation for the value of a peaceful mind. If buddhist style stuff isn't your cup of tea, then skip this book but I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to learn more about humanity. tldr those three books will let you look a person in the eyes and read their mental state, then hopefully lead you to the wisdom of knowing what to do with that knowledge.
3556
« on: January 16, 2016, 05:31:22 PM »
when will america realize how awful juries are
Probably when the juries start to make autonomous decisions
3557
« on: January 16, 2016, 05:31:02 PM »
Is this man crazy for thinking he could build this city on rock & roll?
yes see a psychiatrist asap
3558
« on: January 16, 2016, 05:29:32 PM »
Have you done any therapy yet? As a practitioner? Not yet As a patient? Extensively If so what was your weirdest experience so far?
The moment of bizarre amusement as I sat in a family therapy session wondering how this eejit got to be qualified. This eejit being the psychologist running the session, If I wasn't so irritated by the atrocious way he handled my younger brothers I probably would have been laughing in his face that day. Ask the question again in a couple of years and I might have some fun stories to tell from the perspective I think you were hoping for Is sociopathy, psychopathy and ASPD the same thing? I seem to be getting conflicting answers on this one. Yes, No, Maybe, I don't know. The trouble with psychology is that you can use any number of different terms to refer to the same condition. MDD, MD, Clinical Depression, Severe Depression etc are all the same condition. With Socio/Psycho/ASPD it's a tricky one. The way I have it pinned in my head, which is by no means definitive but there is no definitive answer here soooo Sociopath - Someone who exhibits the traits as a result of abuse in early childhood (i.e Socially made) Psychopath - Someone who exhibits the traits from an early age, without a history of abuse (i.e genetically made 'the warrior gene') ASPD - the mincing fluffy way of diagnosing someone as a psychopath without the same level of stigma because the idiots who take a diagnosis of psychopathy and run to the press screaming tall tales of serial killers tend to be below the cognitive ability to pay attention to the term 'Antisocial Personality Disorder' or to put it in a better light, it is the DSM's way of writing psychopathy as they believe it fits in better as a form of personality disorder rather than as a standalone clinical diagnosis. (I don't really agree here) Are you going for a PhD? Yes and No Depending on your country it might be written as ClinPsyD or PsyD or PhD but it's all the same thing, just different ways of writing out 'Doctor of Clinical Psychology' so yes eventually How much do you know about cognitive distortions? I'm afraid this might need a bit more elaboration, the term doesn't quite fit into a category but I'm farily sure I know a bit about any of the possibilities. Do you mean someone who holds FUBAR cognitive schemas that result in distorted patterns of thinking? or someone who holds delusions at the cognitive level? Also how much do you know of CBT? (Cognitive Behavior Therapy)
A fair bit, from the theoretical and patient level. It's certainly one of the better psychological therapies out there.
3559
« on: January 16, 2016, 05:14:44 PM »
How do you reconcile the concept of mental disease with the nature of evolution meaning that change and mutation are natural? Where does one draw the line between mental abnormality and mutation?
Ahh now I do like this question. I'm afraid it's probably one that I cannot answer in a satisfactory manner but I'll give it a go. Attempt 1 - I left this in because it might be of use but after writing it I wasn't too happy with it. Pinch of salt required This requires a couple of assumptions to operate, that mental disease can be fully reduced to biological effects (i.e genetic) rather than environmental (including everything from culture to toxins in the air) and that those biological effects are the result of mutation in the course of evolution.
You could argue that (and i agree with) all mental illness is natural, it's a natural response to X enviromental stimuli or a result of Y biological predisposition. Because psychology is such a fickle subject, particularly mental health it becomes a lot easier to focus it down to the individual level here.
A person who is clinically depressed is at a major disadvantage in life, if they lived 20,000 years ago or 20 years ago. Being unable or unwilling* to get up and go food gathering/to work results in dependence on others or death.There may be a hidden advantage from an evolutionary perspective here but quite frankly if the person dies because of it (suicide or neglect of themselves) it's a useless one. In certain cases the individual dying for the good of the herd can be argued, but when it is a disease model rather than a self-sacrifice one - I don't think it really fits.
I don't think it is correct that mental illness is a mutation, I think it's the downside to certain other genetic traits. The diathesis stress model is the name for this, where a person is given a predisposition by their genetics and this then develops into an illness as a result of external stressors.
*A bit of word dancing here, of course, it's not to do with them not wanting to but the fact that their willpower/drive/essence has been drained by the depression so they are unwilling to do so.
Attempt #2 In simple terms, mental illness isn't reducible to a mutation (in most cases) it's the result of a combination of the biological predisposition and the environmental factors in their life. In terms of evolution it's more likely attributable to a weakness that has yet to be ironed out rather than a test drive by mother nature. I think it's the result of evolving sentience, as far as we can see on this planet when you look at the simplest organisms they do not have very complex internal or emotional lives but the closer to man you get the more interesting it gets. Perhaps we will evolve to a point where it doesn't affect us, but I don't think the two are really linked. To me it's like parasitic organisms, you can evolve to a point where one type no longer affects your species but another will evolve to take it's place. A dualistic reality, you cannot have sentience without having mental adversities as the cost. In more direct human terms, the problem is viewed at the individual level. This person is suffering because of X Y and Z, we find a way to alleviate their suffering by medicating X, teaching them how to deal with Y and letting them come to terms with Z in their own way. // Hopefully some of that is of use/interest, it's not an easy question to answer because I'm not an evolutionary psychologist and afaik they tend to go towards social psychology rather than psychopathology.
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« on: January 16, 2016, 04:55:51 PM »
Why do we fear death?
For the immediate panic and reaction to a grisly fate? I would be inclined to think that's to do with simple biological programming. If you look at the basic impulses of a life-form, avoidance of injury (pain) is a pretty strong command signal. Sticking your hand on a radiator that is too hot results in you moving away and probably swearing before you've had time to think. For the more existential stuff? Egh that's pretty open ended. You could look at the effects of consciousness, how a person enjoys living and dislikes the cessation of enjoyment (Skinnerites) or from a more cognitive standpoint. Fear of the unknown, fear of not finishing what you wanted to complete, fear of causing pain to loved ones. There are lots of ways to look at why we fear death and I think it will vary greatly from person to person. I would fear death because it's the end of my usefulness on this planet, I'll quite probably die thinking that I could have done more to help others and that will suck shit through a straw. That might be quite different from someone who fears death because they love the baser things in life (money, cars, nightclubs etc) and they don't want the party to stop.
3561
« on: January 16, 2016, 04:48:49 PM »
Do you think tulpas are as fucked up as I do?
I'm not too familiar with buddhist-psychology, although it has become of great interest to me lately courtesy of a wonderful book/conversation. It sounds like a hallucination induced by some sort of meditation, which is perfectly possible for a number of raisins from a psychology perspective rather than a theological one. When human eyes fixate on something, when the person remains very still and lets their mind wander freely it is possible to enter a sort of trance in which you experience visual disturbances. This is part of the reason why it isn't fully recommended* to people with a history of mental disorders along the lines of delusional/psychosis**. Despite that, meditation is becoming an embraced concept for certain lines of psychology because of the demonstrable positive effects on a person's holistic psyche for future resilience rather than simply patching them up in the moment. (This is why buddhism, mindfulness and CBT are becoming firm friends) *The advice I last read was 'supervision required' because it can result in the person ending up in a worse state than when they began to meditate. Excessive rumination when severely depressed or prone to psychotic breaks is kind of a bad idea for fairly obvious reasons. **You can kind of test this for yourself by starting at a dot on a blank wall until you start to feel a bit out of it, or if you reaaaaaaally want to put the creeps on yourself go and sit infront of a mirror and stare into your own eyes for as long as you feel like it. I don't recommend that btw, you will probably see some kind of messed up shit happen to your mirror image as a result of staring too long <_<
3562
« on: January 16, 2016, 04:41:23 PM »
Why do some men want to see the world burn?
Because they don't like tangerines.
3563
« on: January 16, 2016, 02:16:43 PM »
Question
Is the hydra available in SP? with the DLC and the like obviously
IIRC, no. All the heist DLC stuff is restricted to MP-only.
lame ah well, that'll save me the cost of getting it on the next gen systems
3564
« on: January 16, 2016, 01:12:05 PM »
Question
Is the hydra available in SP? with the DLC and the like obviously
3565
« on: January 16, 2016, 01:04:53 PM »
I hear voices in my head, they talk to me, they understand...they talk to me!
You know what to do.
hey now, all they're telling me is to drink more tea and kill more rotters.
Carry on citizen.
3566
« on: January 16, 2016, 12:55:18 PM »
It feels like forever since I made an actual psychology thread, so this is to partly gauge interest and partly to start it off again. The idea of this thread is quite simple, you ask literally anything that is somewhat related to psychology (and associated pseudosciences) and I'll do my best to answer it or to discuss the question. I'll just add a couple of disclaimers/points for obvious reasons Spoiler 1. My area of interest, current and future study and (hopefully) future career is Mental Health. You can expect more detailed answers in this field than say if you asked about relationships or perception but I've studied most of the fields of psychology now (5 years lets you cover a decent amount of material) so I can give it a shot regardless.
2. Following on from that, I am just a student - I'm not qualified to give medical/psychological treatments or diagnoses and whenever someone has asked me for help with something I do make that clear. What I am able to do is help someone to understand what might be the problem and where to seek help from, explain psychological theories of illnesses and other bits of advice - but as always take with a pinch of salt because the field itself changes with every year regardless. I'll be AFK for a while, so take your time with any questions you might have and I'll come back to them later tonight/tomorrow depending on how heavy they are. I reserve the right to ignore posts mentioning sigmund freud and any posts by the user himself.
Psychology is a pseudoscience and a scam, keep giving your money to therapists and they'll keep laughing their way to the bank. Freud was a troll, Jung was a bad troll, Beck ripped off the buddhists, skinner was a techpriest and harlow was a psychopath. Avoid psychologists.
3567
« on: January 16, 2016, 12:16:32 PM »
I hear voices in my head, they talk to me, they understand...they talk to me!
You know what to do.
3568
« on: January 16, 2016, 11:58:22 AM »
As long as the Flood stays green, I don't really mind.
Something tongue in cheek is best for serious though, to save it from getting too caught up in it's own srsness.
3569
« on: January 16, 2016, 10:15:47 AM »
[laughs about thread in staff chat]
3570
« on: January 16, 2016, 10:07:37 AM »
Passive aggressive link to the septagon forum whilst locking this thread
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