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Fuck Fallen Empires

There I am, happily preparing to kick off the organic genocide and replace the universe with synthetics and then this splitjaw coonrat decides to swan over and kick my shit in with tachyon lances because I built some bots.

I had to reload a save about an hour previous to have enough time to build up a counter fleet and start slaughtering them before they hit me.

Great game though

Quote from: Mr. Psychologist on August 27, 2016, 12:19:39 PM

So yeah, bit of a change of pace from the usual
Brexit -> Trump -> Economics -> Russia -> Islam cycle of serious

Quote from: Mr. Psychologist on August 27, 2016, 12:19:39 PM

Brexit

So you're saying Brexit thread?

You know you fucked up when PlayStation, steam, and amazon are all offering refunds no questions asked lol

...Playstation is offering refunds?

Man they've fucked up hard here.

Quote from: Risay117 on August 28, 2016, 03:49:26 AM

what do you think this might mean for the civil war?

A genocide which will result in the deaths of 1.5million Syrian people.

What genocide?

Quote from: Mr. Psychologist on August 28, 2016, 09:01:50 AM

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I'd rather not read that, but I can make a decently educated guess on what's going on.

I think we should try to teach them how to become a slightly more civilized society. If that fails, we should take their children at a very young age (infancy, ideally) and sterilize the remaining adults.

That would save some of them, but what about the slightly older children who have already been through hell?

It's possible to treat them for the trauma and possibly turn them into slightly less warped humans, but it's not a great chance given the level and form of abuse that goes on.

I wouldn't take the risk.

Which is fair enough looking at the bigger picture, but you then find yourself in the situation where you are leaving children (albeit damaged beyond repair*) in the hands of their abusers.

*Hypothetically speaking

I'd probably just bomb them all if it was up to me. These people are beyond repair.

Ironically that might just be one of the more humane solutions to this

But then you end up committing actual genocide instead of just destroying a culture that makes worship of moloch seem like a parish council meeting.

So basically it's totally calm that we colonised Australia.

Pretty much

welcome to the mute list shitows

I can hear the screaming turks already

Fair warning, the link and contents are not for the faint hearted. It's not ayy lmao gorey xddddd or muh childrens but it's just flat out disturbing reading to see the kind of shit that goes on and more depressingly how long it has been going on for unabated.

A little while back Chally (I think, maybe door or mordo) posted a memey thread here about cultural relativity and it linked this screenshot extract from a paper on aboriginal 'killer mothers' and it was pretty unpleasant reading to say the least.

Being bored after work today prompted me to look for the source and I almost wish I hadn't, but it did bring up interesting points mixed in with the pages and pages of atrocities that are a part of indigenous life (In certain places, mostly Oceania from the looks of it, but Africa isn't exactly clean either).

http://psychohistory.com/books/the-origins-of-war-in-child-abuse/chapter-7-child-abuse-homicide-and-raids-in-tribes/

To give a short summary without the colourful descriptions of the abuse itself, the author suggests that part of the reason for the failure to transition beyond subsistence living is in part due to a failure (understatement) to form any sort of meaningful bonds within these tribes. Mothers abuse and murder their children, traumatising surviving siblings in the process who then go on to (shock horror) develop severe mental issues which are then replicated onto the next generation in a pretty much perfect example of abusive vampirism (transmitting abuse from one generation to the next by repeating the patterns of abuse they experienced). This leaves the tribe as a whole unable to rally behind a leader or chief as such, due to the rampant schizoid disorders induced in the tribal population (paranoid, delusional, psychotic, violent).

The general idea being that these tribes remain trapped in this sort of living hell where abuse is the norm to receive and perpetrate and because of the isolation and small initial populations it has become endemic. They haven't been able to progress far in the technology tree (Guns, Germs and Steel points aside) because these tribes are essentially just going through a groundhog day of horrors for the last 750,000 years.

If anyone feels like reading it, it's fairly long and utterly despicable but it's not just some memer slagging off tree dwellers for the sake of it. It's well cited and seems pretty considered. So yeah, bit of a change of pace from the usual
Brexit -> Trump -> Economics -> Russia -> Islam cycle of serious

Any thoughts on the paper?

Bonus question for consideration; making the assumption that the things described in this paper are accurate, do you think that it is right or wrong for a more developed culture to intervene in things to stop this cycle from repeating itself?
(Preferably in a better manner than blackbird hunting and reservations)

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Quote from: Mr. Psychologist on August 26, 2016, 02:49:47 PM

I'm actually reading that at the moment, it's pretty damn good.

It's my favorite book. Is it your first time reading it?

Yep, got it at christmas I think but I've been busy with the dune series up until now. Finished all of the original dune books about two weeks ago I think.

It's very well written, kinda surprised me how easily I fell into it.

The dune series could be a little heavy at times, it takes a lot for me to put down a book because I'm too tired to actually read/understand it and they managed it a few times. Good books though, thoroughly enjoyed the God-Emperor of Dune and seeing how the author mixed his ecologist background with the philosophical ones to make 'the long view' a central theme to the whole series.

I'm about halfway through Ender's Game but I have seen the film so I think that's probably going to mess with reading it for the first time but either way it's a great look at smart-bastard children and how they deal with the world.

It's kind of a shame that the movie gave away the surprise for you, but I think it was okay in that sense. I'm sure the Peter/Valentine stuff was weird for you since it was omitted from the movie. I think Asa Butterfield did a decent job playing Ender, but all of the other characters weren't very accurate.

I keep forgetting to read Dune, and I'm pretty sure you've recommended it to me before. I'll put it on the list.

Yeah, I mean it was quite a surprise in the film so it'll be good to see how it's handled in the book.

The peter/valentine stuff has kinda just kicked off with Locke/Demosthenes and it was a biiiiiiiiiit of a stretch to me how quickly and neatly they seemed to achieve their aims (in progress so keeping it vague for spoilers) but it's intriguing all the same.

Yeah I pretty much shill for dune in every book thread these days, kind of a shame he died before finishing the plotlines post-tyrant but the 'main' story around the kwisatz haderach was at least completed and that's the bit that interested me the most.

Quote from: Mr. Psychologist on August 26, 2016, 02:49:47 PM

I'm actually reading that at the moment, it's pretty damn good.

It's my favorite book. Is it your first time reading it?

Yep, got it at christmas I think but I've been busy with the dune series up until now. Finished all of the original dune books about two weeks ago I think.

It's very well written, kinda surprised me how easily I fell into it.

The dune series could be a little heavy at times, it takes a lot for me to put down a book because I'm too tired to actually read/understand it and they managed it a few times. Good books though, thoroughly enjoyed the God-Emperor of Dune and seeing how the author mixed his ecologist background with the philosophical ones to make 'the long view' a central theme to the whole series.

I'm about halfway through Ender's Game but I have seen the film so I think that's probably going to mess with reading it for the first time but either way it's a great look at smart-bastard children and how they deal with the world.

ok i'm gonna hurry the fuck up and get the pc already

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