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« on: December 02, 2015, 10:26:40 PM »
maybe people should just stop getting so offended
but that's none of my business
"Hey, you there. Yeah, you, you with the depression. Uhhhhhhhhhhh, stop! K? It kind of annoys me sometimes that you're suffering so, uh, don't!"
You don't choose to be depressed. You take offense.
And it's pretty sick to correlate clinical depression with people saying mean words to you, anyway.
There is no denying that words are extremely powerful. This is why playwrights, poets and authors that have been dead for years are to this day still remembered. They can and do have an emotional affect on people. They're how we communicate sentiments and ideas to one another.
Obviously, words can exacerbate depression and make it worse. But they're by no means the root, as Cindo was implying.
I'm implying that words obviously enforce something. You can say "well just choose what to be offended by" all day long, but when the words actually carry weight and aren't simply, "H-HEY, YOU'RE STUPID!!!" it means a lot more. To a person like me, for example, suffering from major depressive disorder, generalized anxiety disorder, and gender dysphoria, saying something to the effect of "you'll never be what you want to be, you'll always be a man, you'll never stop feeling like this, etc." carries a lot more effect that stopping a man on the street and saying, "you're a POOPY head."
632
« on: December 02, 2015, 10:14:47 PM »
maybe people should just stop getting so offended
but that's none of my business
"Hey, you there. Yeah, you, you with the depression. Uhhhhhhhhhhh, stop! K? It kind of annoys me sometimes that you're suffering so, uh, don't!"
633
« on: December 02, 2015, 10:11:19 PM »
>Says it's not a troll thread
>Uses a slur
Anyways, that'd be like asking "how can you like rap music and not be a nigger?"
Check it out, I even put in the slur.
What you like has nothing to do with who you are. You can be a guy who likes playing with dolls and wearing dressed whilst being perfectly comfortable being male, and by the same token you can be a girl who likes watching football and wearing baggy jeans whilst being perfectly comfortable being female. The two don't correlate directly just because activities are typically associated with genders - something that society has reinforced, as well.
SJW
So does "SJW" just mean "not a cunt"?
Am I supposed to be insulted by being called "not a cunt"?
People tend to misuse the term and I don't like it too much as it doesn't roll off the tongue well but it is fairly useful when referring to the particular brand of left wing radicals you typically see on sites like Twitter and Tumblr and in certain colleges because everyone will know what you mean.
But that's just the thing - it has no real definition. It basically just means "more progressive than I am comfortable with" and can be used as such to any degree. I've seen "SJW" used on everything from otherkin that thought they were a goddess and that not worshipping them was 'triggering' to a gay dude that didn't like being referred to as "one of the good ones" because he wasn't overly effeminate. It means nothing.
634
« on: December 02, 2015, 10:03:46 PM »
correction:
choosing not using a word for a specific purpose =/= banning it
You're banning use of it in that context
No more than I'm banning fat hairy guys from going shirtless I'd really prefer you didn't do it, but ultimately I can't stop you
635
« on: December 02, 2015, 10:03:01 PM »
tbh though from general experience tranny is used a lot less malevolently than shit like shemale or it
Well, yeah. Shemale, it, and trap will always be worse than 'tranny', but that doesn't mean that the latter's a lovely thing to hear.
I guess I though it was useful instead of always having to say "trans person"
im always trying to find ways to cut down unnecessary syllables
but now that I think about it there's also no equivalent for cis either
and cissy just sounds dumb
Very
636
« on: December 02, 2015, 09:55:28 PM »
Cindy, why don't you ever reply to my lewd PMs?
I respond to, like, one out of every five.
637
« on: December 02, 2015, 09:54:43 PM »
However, even if he was fine with that, referring to him as-such to a third party would still be a terrible thing to do. why
what if you're not using it in a negative context
why doesn't context matter when referring to him or her to third parties
Because that is a more open forum, and promotes racism/sexism/homophobia/transphobia/etc to other people. When you're only speaking to him or a group of individuals that he is comfortable with, then it's simply nothing greater than the usual type of ragging amongst friends taken to a more racey level. Talking in such a manner to another person, however, promotes nothing more than hate and bigotry.
If you call your friend "that idiot over there," it really only says that you have a good relationship and possibly some contempt for that person. If you call him "that faggot over there," it says something a bit more about how you think of any gay people. Saying it only to him says nothing about what you think about gay people as a whole unless you're saying it in an insulting way or if he has told you - rightfully so - that he's not okay with that word being used around him.
It's literally not promoting anything at all
Simply using a word does not say anything about your views on a subject
It's only that way because you and the rest of your SJW posse say it is
Okay, so, now you're just being an idiot. Are you seriously saying that the language you use doesn't represent the way you think about certain groups?
So saying "bitch" doesn't represent how a person might think about women? Saying "nigger" doesn't represent what a person might think about black people? Are you really that daft?
That's what I'm saying
We as a society need to stop indulging in such pretenses
Like I said before I would not call someone I just met "my nigga" or any other term
I acknowledge this is still a delicate subject and it needs to be handled with some grace but still
To just outlaw any use of "slurs" is ignoring why they exist and the power we have to eradicate them
Nobody said anything about outlawing shit
We're pretty obviously talking about society
Why is "muh free speech" the first thing everyone's minds snap to when someone says, "Hey, you probably shouldn't say this or you'll generally sound like a fuckin' cunt."
No you clearly are talking about outlawing shit
Especially when you get all over someone's ass for saying something
It's not even free speech as I've been saying this whole thread
It's about eradicating the hate from these words and that won't happen when you shush up people at the first mention of something that might be "offensive"
And what you're doing is way beyond "hey you probably shouldn't say this"
You're going out of your way to make people be quiet about shit you just want to push to the side
TIL that saying "hey that dehumanizes people and here's why" is the same thing as saying "you should be imprisoned by the government for saying that word" Woah
638
« on: December 02, 2015, 09:53:12 PM »
Actually, he's not wrong on that being the derivative - just wrong on everthing else.
Gathering sticks is meant to be a woman's work, traditionally, and the term "faggot" was applied to gay and/or effeminate men in order to compare them to women.
Where did you get that from?
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=faggot
Besides, mine is better.
Look at the second one on the list you just linked
Tahdah
That's not what you said though. The only thing similar was it mentioned women and bundles of sticks.
Yeah, yeah, not similar at all. The only similarity was the entire fact that "faggot" is meant to equate gay people to women and originated from the term for a bundle of sticks.
Oh, wait, that's pretty much what I said, isn't it?
Except women are not gathering bundles of sticks.
Bruh, it literally says on the page "I MEAN MAYBE THIS IS WHERE IT'S FROM BUT IUNNO" Wikipedia lists both your example and mine as well as about five others. It's pretty unknown where the slur originated.
639
« on: December 02, 2015, 09:49:44 PM »
tbh though from general experience tranny is used a lot less malevolently than shit like shemale or it
Well, yeah. Shemale, it, and trap will always be worse than 'tranny', but that doesn't mean that the latter's a lovely thing to hear.
640
« on: December 02, 2015, 09:48:09 PM »
Actually, he's not wrong on that being the derivative - just wrong on everthing else.
Gathering sticks is meant to be a woman's work, traditionally, and the term "faggot" was applied to gay and/or effeminate men in order to compare them to women.
Where did you get that from?
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=faggot
Besides, mine is better.
Look at the second one on the list you just linked
Tahdah
That's not what you said though. The only thing similar was it mentioned women and bundles of sticks.
Yeah, yeah, not similar at all. The only similarity was the entire fact that "faggot" is meant to equate gay people to women and originated from the term for a bundle of sticks. Oh, wait, that's pretty much what I said, isn't it?
641
« on: December 02, 2015, 09:47:11 PM »
Why would you need to take mind of such small nuisances in worry of offending someone?
It's promoting the mindset that it's ok to be offended by whatever you want
Yeah, man, I just can't imagine why words exist for different things.
Trucks, cars, vans, minivans, low riders, limos, monster trucks, lifted trucks, sports cars, race cars, jeeps, ugh
It's all so dumb
Let's just call them all automobiles so I don't have to think too much.
Vehicles don't compare to gender.
Luckily; transvestite, transgender, and transsexual don't refer to gender - they refer to different 'types' of expression someone may have of themselves that isn't cisgender, thus the differentiation. You can't lump everything of that variety as "other" just because you're too lazy to differentiate. There are heavy, HEAVY differences between a transsexual girl and a transvestite man - unless you think Eddie Izzard actually has a vagina and identifies as a woman.
642
« on: December 02, 2015, 09:45:26 PM »
However, even if he was fine with that, referring to him as-such to a third party would still be a terrible thing to do. why
what if you're not using it in a negative context
why doesn't context matter when referring to him or her to third parties
Because that is a more open forum, and promotes racism/sexism/homophobia/transphobia/etc to other people. When you're only speaking to him or a group of individuals that he is comfortable with, then it's simply nothing greater than the usual type of ragging amongst friends taken to a more racey level. Talking in such a manner to another person, however, promotes nothing more than hate and bigotry.
If you call your friend "that idiot over there," it really only says that you have a good relationship and possibly some contempt for that person. If you call him "that faggot over there," it says something a bit more about how you think of any gay people. Saying it only to him says nothing about what you think about gay people as a whole unless you're saying it in an insulting way or if he has told you - rightfully so - that he's not okay with that word being used around him.
It's literally not promoting anything at all
Simply using a word does not say anything about your views on a subject
It's only that way because you and the rest of your SJW posse say it is
Okay, so, now you're just being an idiot. Are you seriously saying that the language you use doesn't represent the way you think about certain groups?
So saying "bitch" doesn't represent how a person might think about women? Saying "nigger" doesn't represent what a person might think about black people? Are you really that daft?
That's what I'm saying
We as a society need to stop indulging in such pretenses
Like I said before I would not call someone I just met "my nigga" or any other term
I acknowledge this is still a delicate subject and it needs to be handled with some grace but still
To just outlaw any use of "slurs" is ignoring why they exist and the power we have to eradicate them
Nobody said anything about outlawing shit We're pretty obviously talking about society Why is "muh free speech" the first thing everyone's minds snap to when someone says, "Hey, you probably shouldn't say this or you'll generally sound like a fuckin' cunt."
643
« on: December 02, 2015, 09:44:19 PM »
Actually, he's not wrong on that being the derivative - just wrong on everthing else.
Gathering sticks is meant to be a woman's work, traditionally, and the term "faggot" was applied to gay and/or effeminate men in order to compare them to women.
Where did you get that from?
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=faggot
Besides, mine is better.
Look at the second one on the list you just linked Tahdah
644
« on: December 02, 2015, 09:39:06 PM »
cindy, how do you feel about the term "cissy"
I dunno, it's a stupid word used primarily by people who're more concerned with "getting back" than with explaining why words like tranny are offensive. Same type of people that say "it's not my job to educate you," which I find to be one of the dumbest things you can say in response to a bigot.
645
« on: December 02, 2015, 09:38:06 PM »
Why would you need to take mind of such small nuisances in worry of offending someone?
It's promoting the mindset that it's ok to be offended by whatever you want
Yeah, man, I just can't imagine why words exist for different things. Trucks, cars, vans, minivans, low riders, limos, monster trucks, lifted trucks, sports cars, race cars, jeeps, ugh It's all so dumb Let's just call them all automobiles so I don't have to think too much.
646
« on: December 02, 2015, 09:36:08 PM »
And yeah, I like MLP and would like to keep my penis thank you very much.
lol when will people learn that being a tranny =/= getting a sex change/crossdressing?
I'm probably one, but you don't see me running around trying to do something that can't be done
When will people like you learn that "tranny," as it is a slur, is incredibly non-descriptive and does just about nothing to describe someone besides "person that doesn't fit my definition of a cisgender individual"
Transvestite is the term that originated 'tranny' as it refers to men who dress in clothes typically meant for females and may try to fit the "look" in an overall sense as well - crossdressers, drag queens, etc. 'Tranny' originates as a slur from this because it is meant to refer to transgender/transsexual individuals as nothing more than a man dressing in women's clothing.
Transgender is a somewhat all-encompasing term for someone who is not cisgender. They may or may not have taken hormone replacement therapy (HRT), sexual reassignment surgery (SRS), and may simply be nothing more than a person who identifies as the opposing gender but has taken no steps to work towards that direction. It describes one's mental state more than one's physical state.
Transsexual refers to a person who has gone through all the steps - HRT, SRS, fully legalized as their identified gender, legally changed name, etc.
Why would someone go through all that effort to clarify what a non-cis person is? Sounds incredibly autistic.
This SJW logic boggles my mind.
"i hate language"
Seriously, why don't we just stop making synonyms and derivatives?
647
« on: December 02, 2015, 09:35:16 PM »
And yeah, I like MLP and would like to keep my penis thank you very much.
lol when will people learn that being a tranny =/= getting a sex change/crossdressing?
I'm probably one, but you don't see me running around trying to do something that can't be done
When will people like you learn that "tranny," as it is a slur, is incredibly non-descriptive and does just about nothing to describe someone besides "person that doesn't fit my definition of a cisgender individual"
Transvestite is the term that originated 'tranny' as it refers to men who dress in clothes typically meant for females and may try to fit the "look" in an overall sense as well - crossdressers, drag queens, etc. 'Tranny' originates as a slur from this because it is meant to refer to transgender/transsexual individuals as nothing more than a man dressing in women's clothing.
Transgender is a somewhat all-encompasing term for someone who is not cisgender. They may or may not have taken hormone replacement therapy (HRT), sexual reassignment surgery (SRS), and may simply be nothing more than a person who identifies as the opposing gender but has taken no steps to work towards that direction. It describes one's mental state more than one's physical state.
Transsexual refers to a person who has gone through all the steps - HRT, SRS, fully legalized as their identified gender, legally changed name, etc.
Seriously, shut the fuck up. You have been whining about this for 4 pages, JUST LEAVE IT BE.
Sorry, fam, can't hear you with my cock stuffed down your throat
648
« on: December 02, 2015, 09:34:35 PM »
However, even if he was fine with that, referring to him as-such to a third party would still be a terrible thing to do. why
what if you're not using it in a negative context
why doesn't context matter when referring to him or her to third parties
Because that is a more open forum, and promotes racism/sexism/homophobia/transphobia/etc to other people. When you're only speaking to him or a group of individuals that he is comfortable with, then it's simply nothing greater than the usual type of ragging amongst friends taken to a more racey level. Talking in such a manner to another person, however, promotes nothing more than hate and bigotry.
If you call your friend "that idiot over there," it really only says that you have a good relationship and possibly some contempt for that person. If you call him "that faggot over there," it says something a bit more about how you think of any gay people. Saying it only to him says nothing about what you think about gay people as a whole unless you're saying it in an insulting way or if he has told you - rightfully so - that he's not okay with that word being used around him.
It's literally not promoting anything at all
Simply using a word does not say anything about your views on a subject
It's only that way because you and the rest of your SJW posse say it is
Okay, so, now you're just being an idiot. Are you seriously saying that the language you use doesn't represent the way you think about certain groups? So saying "bitch" doesn't represent how a person might think about women? Saying "nigger" doesn't represent what a person might think about black people? Are you really that daft?
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« on: December 02, 2015, 09:33:10 PM »
Faggot is a great insult, though. You're implying that they're only useful in place of firewood. No, because that's a different word. Fagot with one "g". Faggot with two "g"s is a slur. [/quote]Actually, he's not wrong on that being the derivative - just wrong on everthing else. Gathering sticks is meant to be a woman's work, traditionally, and the term "faggot" was applied to gay and/or effeminate men in order to compare them to women.
650
« on: December 02, 2015, 09:31:00 PM »
And yeah, I like MLP and would like to keep my penis thank you very much.
lol when will people learn that being a tranny =/= getting a sex change/crossdressing?
I'm probably one, but you don't see me running around trying to do something that can't be done
When will people like you learn that "tranny," as it is a slur, is incredibly non-descriptive and does just about nothing to describe someone besides "person that doesn't fit my definition of a cisgender individual" Transvestite is the term that originated 'tranny' as it refers to men who dress in clothes typically meant for females and may try to fit the "look" in an overall sense as well - crossdressers, drag queens, etc. 'Tranny' originates as a slur from this because it is meant to refer to transgender/transsexual individuals as nothing more than a man dressing in women's clothing. Transgender is a somewhat all-encompasing term for someone who is not cisgender. They may or may not have taken hormone replacement therapy (HRT), sexual reassignment surgery (SRS), and may simply be nothing more than a person who identifies as the opposing gender but has taken no steps to work towards that direction. It describes one's mental state more than one's physical state. Transsexual refers to a person who has gone through all the steps - HRT, SRS, fully legalized as their identified gender, legally changed name, etc.
651
« on: December 02, 2015, 09:26:16 PM »
"tranny" is a slur, fuckheads
Well it's not a very good one
Neither are paki, sandnigger, fagot, jap, or chinaman
And yet, there they are
LOL
did you seriously call "faggot" a slur
because it's not any more
tranny and faggot cannot compare to those other words you listed
Please, I'd love to hear how they can't.
Because those other derogatory terms are racist, and are much more stigmatized by our society.
Yes, probably because racism hasn't been accepted for a very long time. Homophobia has been accepted partially up until very recently, and transphobia is still HEAVILY predominant within society.
"Nigger" wasn't looked at as an evil word in 1920's because black people weren't seen as equals in the 1920's. Similarly, "tranny" is pretty common today because transgender/transsexual individuals are more commonly looked at as freaks and oddities than actual people.
I'm in the same boat as you though and none of this is an issue for me. It's a matter of you being too sensitive to what assholes think.
That "live and let live" attitude works a lot better when you don't have a statistical 1 in 12 chance of being murdered via hate crime
652
« on: December 02, 2015, 09:24:53 PM »
However, even if he was fine with that, referring to him as-such to a third party would still be a terrible thing to do. why
what if you're not using it in a negative context
why doesn't context matter when referring to him or her to third parties
Because that is a more open forum, and promotes racism/sexism/homophobia/transphobia/etc to other people. When you're only speaking to him or a group of individuals that he is comfortable with, then it's simply nothing greater than the usual type of ragging amongst friends taken to a more racey level. Talking in such a manner to another person, however, promotes nothing more than hate and bigotry. If you call your friend "that idiot over there," it really only says that you have a good relationship and possibly some contempt for that person. If you call him "that faggot over there," it says something a bit more about how you think of any gay people. Saying it only to him says nothing about what you think about gay people as a whole unless you're saying it in an insulting way or if he has told you - rightfully so - that he's not okay with that word being used around him.
653
« on: December 02, 2015, 09:20:19 PM »
"tranny" is a slur, fuckheads
Well it's not a very good one
Neither are paki, sandnigger, fagot, jap, or chinaman
And yet, there they are
LOL
did you seriously call "faggot" a slur
because it's not any more
tranny and faggot cannot compare to those other words you listed
Please, I'd love to hear how they can't.
Because those other derogatory terms are racist, and are much more stigmatized by our society.
Yes, probably because racism hasn't been accepted for a very long time. Homophobia has been accepted partially up until very recently, and transphobia is still HEAVILY predominant within society. "Nigger" wasn't looked at as an evil word in 1920's because black people weren't seen as equals in the 1920's. Similarly, "tranny" is pretty common today because transgender/transsexual individuals are more commonly looked at as freaks and oddities than actual people.
654
« on: December 02, 2015, 09:18:27 PM »
Except I'm not using it in an offensive way
To ban words like that is to accept their inherent offensiveness so to speak
"Look, I'm not referring to my black, gay friend as, 'that faggot-ass nigger' in an OFFENSIVE way! He just needs to learn to be less thin-skinned! Also, I've never faced any type of prejudice and cannot comment on what it feels like to be treated as a 'lesser' member of society, but I'll pretend that I know anyways so I don't have to be considerate!"
"What is context?"
your logic is falling apart on its own ass
It's really not
If my gay, black friend was perfectly fine with me calling him "faggot-ass nigger" to his face, then I don't think there'd be a single thing wrong with that. However, even if he was fine with that, referring to him as-such to a third party would still be a terrible thing to do.
And etc etc same for tranny and blah blah blah. My friend can call me tranny all he wants, but I'll fuckin' crack a board over his head if that's how he starts referring to me towards other people.
Context.
Yes, that's...what I'm talking about. Are you trying to argue against me by saying the word that is the standpoint of my argument?
655
« on: December 02, 2015, 09:17:57 PM »
This thread isn't long for this world so I might as well throw something in.
On MLP: Ain't got a clue why grown men enjoy a show specifically designed for young girls.
On Trannies: I'm shortening it because I'm too lazy to spell out the whole word, fite me. But isn't it technically a mental abnormality? When diverging from the usual XY and XX chromosomes and basing your gender on your feelings is that not against nature and biology? Sure humans defy nature regularly but we can only go so far before something fucks up royally, and that seems to be starting in the general vicinity of sex and reproduction.
Homosexuals, trans, downies, ect. I don't have anything against their existence and their lives should not be excluded from everyone else's, but I'm certainly not for prolonged promotion of mental disability/abnormalities. Such things most likely will and should slowly breed out of the gene pool.
Spoiler I'm going to be fucked for this post
I mean, I could respond do it, but honestly it just sounds like something from the 1950's, so it's not worth the time.
656
« on: December 02, 2015, 09:16:22 PM »
Except I'm not using it in an offensive way
To ban words like that is to accept their inherent offensiveness so to speak
"Look, I'm not referring to my black, gay friend as, 'that faggot-ass nigger' in an OFFENSIVE way! He just needs to learn to be less thin-skinned! Also, I've never faced any type of prejudice and cannot comment on what it feels like to be treated as a 'lesser' member of society, but I'll pretend that I know anyways so I don't have to be considerate!"
"What is context?"
your logic is falling apart on its own ass
It's really not If my gay, black friend was perfectly fine with me calling him "faggot-ass nigger" to his face, then I don't think there'd be a single thing wrong with that. However, even if he was fine with that, referring to him as-such to a third party would still be a terrible thing to do. And etc etc same for tranny and blah blah blah. My friend can call me tranny all he wants, but I'll fuckin' crack a board over his head if that's how he starts referring to me towards other people.
657
« on: December 02, 2015, 09:14:03 PM »
"tranny" is a slur, fuckheads
Well it's not a very good one
Neither are paki, sandnigger, fagot, jap, or chinaman
And yet, there they are
LOL
did you seriously call "faggot" a slur
because it's not any more
tranny and faggot cannot compare to those other words you listed
Please, I'd love to hear how they can't.
658
« on: December 02, 2015, 09:12:54 PM »
Except I'm not using it in an offensive way
To ban words like that is to accept their inherent offensiveness so to speak
"Look, I'm not referring to my black, gay friend as, 'that faggot-ass nigger' in an OFFENSIVE way! He just needs to learn to be less thin-skinned! Also, I've never faced any type of prejudice and cannot comment on what it feels like to be treated as a 'lesser' member of society, but I'll pretend that I know anyways so I don't have to be considerate!"
659
« on: December 02, 2015, 09:11:05 PM »
"tranny" is a slur, fuckheads
Well it's not a very good one
Neither are paki, sandnigger, fagot, jap, or chinaman And yet, there they are
660
« on: December 02, 2015, 09:09:10 PM »
you can reclaim words, nigga
ugh
well yeah, that's a hypocrisy of cindy's actually
>gets offended by slurs
>uses "nigga" all the time
>is white
you're all fucking idiots
why don't we just recognize that words are fucking words and stop flipping our shit anytime someone spouts a collection of syllables
"I failed my high school history classes and have no idea how language can contribute to dehumanization."
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