Quote from: Karjala takaisin on May 24, 2017, 07:34:27 AM

Don't have to deport muslims. You can just say you are not allowed to practice Islam here. If they ask why you can just say because we are not allowed to practice our religion in their country.

You can in a lot of those nations though

You can think of a better reason than that

"But I moved to America because I wanted to get away from an oppressive regi-"

"SHUT UP SHITSKIN. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT GO HOME. LAND OF THE FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE."

>European exceptionalism
>The Greeks

?

Quote from: Cindy on April 23, 2017, 12:03:15 PM

>jobs are disappearing because of automation
>"lmao prove it dipshit"
>okay here are articles
>"lmao everyone knows that, but prove your capitalism thing that you weren't even trying to empirically prove in the first place!"

Lordy

the title of your thread is "the inevitable fall of capitalism"

Yeah because "the maybe fall of capitalism i dunno what do you guys think?" is a less catchy title

>jobs are disappearing because of automation
>"lmao prove it dipshit"
>okay here are articles
>"lmao everyone knows that, but prove your capitalism thing that you weren't even trying to empirically prove in the first place!"

Lordy

Whose going to make those robots though? And whose going to keep them from breaking? Whose going to make the parts that make up the robots? Machines building machines inevitably leads back to some form of human labor. We will never be in a position where there's not a seat for every ass.

As I said in another post - just because new jobs will be created doesn't mean they will be the same amount of new jobs.

Also, maintenance on those robots can be done by other sufficiently advanced robots once a certain level of automation is reached. If/when automated machines become advanced enough to sufficiently compete with human drivers, programmers, constructors, and so on, then those machines would easily also be automated enough to run diagnostics and repairs on themselves and other machines. You say that even that scenario "inevitably leads back to some form of human labor", and you're not wrong, but it doesn't lead back to nearly as much human labor.

I am suggesting that this will lead to a point where there won't be enough jobs for people to consistently work at the same individual rate that they are now, not that jobs will be phased out entirely any time in the near future.

You'll get a subsequent change in the job market to accommodate the influx of automatons. More robots, more software developers, technicians for maintenance, robot designers, specialists so that a robot can do X job.

You'll get niche "human/hand-made markets" as a counter culture to generically mass produced goods. Hell, we already have that now to some extent with large brands doing quantity over some locally produced quality food, tools, decorations and furniture, etc.

If you honestly think that jobs surrounding automation will be as plentiful as jobs without automation, then you're just kinda...wrong. 20 self-checkouts at a store don't require a single person to watch over each one of them, they require a single person to watch over all of them - 1 hiring position instead of 20. Sure, jobs for people will still exist that contribute to the automation, but they will be vastly reduced.

And yeah, the "human markets" niche will probably arise, but that's not exactly enough to support an entire economy. Vinyl sales and 50's diners are both pretty popular in American culture right now, but mp3s and fast food sales still outweigh them to an absurd degree.

Hello, my good friends.

Remember like a year ago when I used to post those big threads that went on long tirades about sociopolitical topics and then asked relevant questions to the community? No? You don't because I only ever made two of those threads and half of you people barely even remember my existence?

Well, too bad, because I'm making another one. As you may have garnered from the title, this post is about capitalism and why it is doomed to fail in the (possibly near) future - at least in the semi-purist sense which it exists in today.

If you like watching videos made by bad content creators, you may have seen this one at some point in the past:



That video has a lot of inherent biases, ignores a lot of data, cherrypicks, and generally isn't something that you should tote as your only knowledge of the subject, but the basic point that it makes is definitely substantial; jobs are disappearing at alarming rates due to rapid automation. This automation even poses threats to jobs in more "advanced" fields of work such as diagnostics and surgery, programming and coding, physical and scientific engineering, and so on. While these pose threats in the long run, however, the far more pressing matter is how quickly mundane jobs which make up the bulk of service will start to disappear.

Taxi and uber services? Inventory, restocking, and manual labor jobs of that sort? Retail and food service industries? Delivery, both short-scale (delivering food) and long-scale (semi-truck drivers, postal service, FedEx/Amazon/etc)? All of those are not only going to become *laughably* easy to automate within the very near future, but are also going to be infinitely more cheap and efficient for companies to buy and put into motion. A self-driving car will be a much more expensive purchase up front than a delivery driver's salary, but in the long term, it will be the cheaper option and will be available for work nearly 24/7. Plenty of restaurants and fast-food chains are already phasing out "waiters" in favor of "servers" who simply bring food to your table that you've already ordered off of an electronic tablet - one that's not going to forget or mis-remember certain aspects of your order and one that doesn't require a week's training before they can be put on the job.

Of course, this is all buildup to the main point I'm trying to make - the fall of modern capitalism and how this is going to affect society.

Now, this applies to many western (and worldwide, really) nations, but I'm going to use American culture as the primary example both because it's where I've lived for the last 11 years and thus have a better understanding of, and because free-market capitalism has been something of a hotly debated topic in recent American history. The culture which surrounds "work" in America is...weird. As anyone who's ever lived in Europe (or knows anything substantial about Western and Northern European culture) will tell you, economical and political leanings in America slant fairly heavy to the right even when they appear to slant left from an American viewpoint. There's this hyper-conservative ideal that's really just commonplace and accepted in America that a person's worth is inherently tied to what is often said to be their "contribution to society" but really just ends up being "their monetary worth in their direct surroundings" in many cases. A poor man born into poverty who works two manual labor jobs to provide for his family is often considered to be a leech on society not worthy of assistance while a rich man who contributes little aside from being rich is often heralded as a job creator and wonderful benefactor, which seems a bit backwards.

But these are my socialistic viewpoints intruding too heavily on the argument - the point of this thread isn't for me to challenge the current work-centric and capitalistic mindset of most nations, it's to ask how society will change these viewpoints in the coming future.

Sooner or later, enough jobs will be automated and enough people will exist that, reasonably, enough jobs will not exist for people to inhabit them but enough resources will exist for those same people to live in at least a semi-comfortable lifestyle. We're already seeing this coming at odds with the capitalist mindset; something like four times as many empty houses exist in the United States as homeless people, and our current president is fighting tooth and nail in attempts to bring a nearly three-centuries old system of energy production back into the limelight all in the name of "keeping jobs".

Capitalism, mercantilism, feudalism, and so on are all things that I would consider necessary in an environment that requires most of its populace to directly contribute to the well-being of a state. But once most of the populace doesn't need to contribute? These systems are no longer required and start to appear archaic. We're soon going to be looking at a situation in which most of the populace not only won't need to contribute to the workforce, but in which a significant portion simply statistically cannot contribute to the workforce. In cultures such as America or Japan where a person's worth is often judged primarily on the basis of them having a job and the poor are looked at as "deserving" of their status because they didn't "earn" the right to live comfortably, I personally think this could have a rather devastating impact as the cultures adjust.

But what are your thoughts on this phenomenon, friends?

I should transition and post a picture just out of spite - see the reactions from everyone when the bullshit they've been spouting is finally disproven

>purposefully ruining your transition and self-image just to get back at a bunch of losers on a dying Bungie offshoot forum

wew

even CIS girls over 6' get weird looks and people wondering if they're trans, let alone an ACTUAL transgender person being above 6'

"Oh man some people think tall girls are trans because they're stupid so I can't transition!"

Eesh

Quote from: Casper on April 08, 2017, 03:02:02 PM

I still wouldn't be able to give birth

what in cunt's name would you even want to do that for

Gotta agree with Verby on this one tbh

So many trans girls are sad because they don't really have uteruses and could never be a "true" mother

Meanwhile I'm celebrating that I'll never have to use birth control

It's SHIT

wrong

haha dumb idiot

So I'm confused

Do we wanna be friends with Russia and say that Assad isn't really that bad, the terror attacks are false flags, and Putin isn't actually a dictator and we should just be best buddies

OR

Is Assad evil and Trump can do no wrong by suddenly firing a bunch of missiles at a foreign power without congressional approval or investigations into the recent allegations?

Which one are Trump-bots spouting out, now? I've lost track.

So many peaceful muslims

>white people laugh at violence towards minorities
>"it's just a joke dude calm down stop being such a sensitive libbie"
>minorities laugh at violence towards white people
>"RELIGION OF PEACE AMIRITE? FUCKING DEGENERATES. AAAA."

Hmmm

Quote from: Cindy on February 17, 2017, 08:09:19 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on February 17, 2017, 07:51:00 PM

and these are people who don't have a prejudiced bone in their bodies

Verby, come on now

Let's be honest with ourselves, here

Are you really trying to say that Sep7 is a site without any traces of prejudice?

Do you think you're without prejudice?

Only an idiot would say they're completely without prejudice

There's a difference between acknowledging you have prejudices and trying to move past them and ignoring the fact that prejudice exists to make shitty jokes on the internet.