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9631
« on: November 30, 2014, 06:53:55 AM »
Aside from the Boba Fett spin off film they're making..
Regardless, I need understood what it was in the films everyone loved. He gets like, 10 minutes of screen time across three films.
I think it's the mysterious part of him people like. Even though he's seen rarely and has a very short screen time people and myself find him more interesting than the main characters.
I guess that makes sense. Then again, I find the clones to be some of the most interesting characters, so I guess it's just personal preference.
9632
« on: November 30, 2014, 06:22:44 AM »
Aside from the Boba Fett spin off film they're making..
Regardless, I need understood what it was in the films everyone loved. He gets like, 10 minutes of screen time across three films.
9633
« on: November 30, 2014, 05:44:07 AM »
It's not Thorne who has one, it's his mom...
It was my impression she had bought it for him, but he left it with her when he joined the military.
9634
« on: November 30, 2014, 05:40:45 AM »
What Thom did is negligible to the plot. Sure, you may not find Siege of Charum Hakkor or Operation: BLIND FAITH particularly interesting, but the characters who defined those events have had an enormous impact on the story and plot, shaping the future of what is to come.
And yet I said nothing about the plot. What I did say is that what Thom did was more impactful to the viewer. Deciding to nuke himself with absolutely no hesitation to destroy a ship he couldn't otherwise destroy had more of an impact on me than Cortana's rampancy.
Who said I do? If I honestly was expecting you to think the same thing as me, I'd be throwing a tantrum. All we're having is a debate. A chance to flex our argumentative muscles and try and make our points of views more logical and understandable to the other.
I just can't see any reason for you to decide to argue a subject based entirely on subjective opinion. All I said was that I found Thom to be an interesting character, so when I got 'BUT WASN'T CORTANA MORE INTERESTING IN HALO 4?' as a response, I was rather taken aback.
Because those methods of saving her are cheap and hollow.
True, but it'd preserve a character they could still wring more interesting plots out of. I'd prefer that over killing her just to build a bit of emotional value.
Also, undignified? Do you even know what dignity means? She seemed very in control of her own actions at her demise, and very serious.
That was mostly just for emphasis.
"Most plot-critical character".
I'd equate that to Mendicant Bias actually for very obvious reasons.
More critical to the plot =/= more critical to the story. The latter is more important to the lore as a whole; the former is more important to the immediate events.
That is, the plot is the game in question, the story is the franchise as a whole.
I don't think they threw her character away at all. All logical paths pointed to her demise. No attempts made by the UNSC to solve the rampancy issue have been effective. She is suffering extreme trauma from being tortured by the Gravemind, and the weight of the Forerunner knowledge she's consumed is crushing her.
And weren't you saying a character who triumphs over their problems is interesting?
In fact, her demise opens up many possibilities. Sure, you are correct that Chief will be emotionally affected by Cortana's death, but it's more than that. Chief's character could not adequately develop with Cortana in the picture. We all know how close they are to each other, and as a result, Cortana often acted as Chief's mouthpiece, answering for Chief instead.
Hence why she was arguably Halo's real protagonist, not John. The series was always more about Cortana's development, while John carries her from place to place, like a reverse satellite character. It's a literary technique - the main character is deliberately left less interesting as the other characters so their personality quirks shine all the brighter.
I understand that killing her allows John to develop more, I just don't agree with it. There was a lot of potential for Cortana. How would she have reacted to the Librarian? To Mendicant Bias? How about the John's 'evolution' midway through Halo 4? She never commented on that, IIRC. We could have seen how she and Halsey would react to one another now after Cortana's image of her was shattered in 'Human Weakness'.
Killing her threw all of those potential stories straight out the window. It wasn't like Johnson's death - he was basically just Chief's sidekick, so there's not really a lot of stories you could get out of him by Halo 3 - but Cortana still had a lot of possibilities.
If she were to still live, it would result in stagnation for Chief's development as a character. Now he must speak for himself, forge his own path, whereas before, Cortana was the one guiding him.
They could have done that without killing her off, you know. Like handing her over to Halsey to see what she can do, while John goes off and does something else for a while. It'd give him some time fighting without his closest ally, and the conflict between Cortana and Halsey could reap some drama as well.
Hey, it just seemed off to me about you being a Thom fanboy and referring him to being awesome because he did something 'manly'.
I never described it as manly, though. And it's mostly how he had the stones to turn and walk away after throwing the nuke that interests me.
I mean, from the 30 seconds we saw of him, we learned three things:
A) he was the reliable one of the team.
B) he isn't afraid to get his hands dirty if it means winning.
C) he isn't afraid to kill himself, either, if need be.
My first thought was 'who is this mysterious soldier, who has absolutely no shits to give about his impending demise?' The fact that he's never given any real personality beyond that is what piques my interest. And it's not like he needs any other characterization - that would just ruin the moment.
So, yes, he isn't a complex character like Cortana, but then, he doesn't have to be a complex character to be interesting. They could have a set of prequel novels filled with nothing but Thom being Halo's Commissar Yarrick and I'd buy the hell out of them.
No shit a commercial is going to be entertaining. But it's a shallow piece of crap in comparison to Cortana's plot in Halo 4.
And yet the former was more interesting to me. The latter had the potential to be interesting, but, well, all it had was the potential.
In fact, I wouldn't even describe it as a sub-plot. I see it as THE plot of Halo 4. To me, Halo 4's story is about Cortana's descent into madness, and the wrapper of the Didact and Infinity are what pokes and prods the plot into its eventual endpoint.
Mm. The Didact is the main threat, and most of the conflict revolves around him and the Prometheans, so I'd call that the main conflict. That said, the twin plots merge toward the end of the game.
Chief and Cortana could have hitched a ride on Infinity to make it to Earth and try whatever they think could save her. But, Cortana and Chief know they can't do that. Their relationship must suffer as Cortana ever so slowly begins to crumble apart because they know they need to defend Earth when no one else can or will.
But in practice this amounts to her glitching occasionally but still functioning as the game's exposition fairy. It sounds good on paper, but it wasn't so interesting when I got to the game itself.
Me, I find that satisfactory on a much deeper level than, Thom throwing a bomb at a ship.
Again, good on paper, not so good in practice. Deep, emotional plots only work well when they audience reacts in the way the storyteller wants them to react.
Thom's commercial was made so the audience would feel a sense of awe and wonder at what he did. And it accomplished that. I reacted in the way they intended for me to react.
Cortana's plot was made so the audience would feel a sense of sadness and loss. And I didn't feel a thing. I did not react in the way they intended for me to react.
The thing you don't seem to get is the scale of the story being told has no bearing on how interesting it is. Even a little half-minute clip can be more impactful (to the viewer) than a multi-hour plot.
Not really. We already know from the beginning of Midnight that what the Librarian did to Cortana has had profound effects on her ability to navigate and understand Forerunner networks. Enough to evade the Didact and even lock him out of his own ship's computer. Then you've got her ordering Chief to merge her into the vessel and her updating your HUD and whispering to you signifying she's still alive.
Yeah, but in practice she still just pulled some shit at the last second and yadda yadda yadda.
I know what she did in the last level, but it still just amounted to her disappearing for a while and spouting some technobabble before John put a grenade on the Didact and ended the game. The premise was more interesting than Thom's trailer, certainly, but the portrayal was not. At least to me.
A deus ex machina if you will.
Not really. Kat was already surrounded by other soldiers - it's not too farfetched for Thom to run up and take the bomb from her.
Cortana replicating and using her computer PMS to stall the Didact, on the other hand, is a deus ex machina. A last minute bit used to write the protagonists out of the mess they're in.
All he did was attempt to move an immovable object, and in the process, inflicted friendly casualties.
So did John at the end of Halo 1, but nobody ever talks about that.
Seriously, he could have accomplished the exact same thing by flying up to the lift, chucking it into the grav lift, and then ordering everyone to retreat so no one was killed or injured in the ensuing explosion.
There was a song playing over the whole thing and nobody said anything at all. Maybe he did and we just didn't hear it.
So basically have another contest of who can have the coolest death?
No, a story where plot armor is nonexistent. It'd have to have much more character-building than Reach did, certainly, but I think it could be done well.
343i has already been very liberal at killing off or seriously incapacitating the characters in Halo's story. I find that almost anyone is at risk for death.
They killed Cortana, and...who else? Characters that matter? If they killed off the Didact at the end of Halo 4, I'd be impressed. Maybe if they killed Halsey, sure. How about Thel? 'Mdama?
The evident reason is fairly obvious.
"I only held enough back to get you off the ship."
Not to mention, after the sheer amount of Forerunner techno-porn in Halo 4, I think anyone could easily deduce they were in a hard light box.
There were still people inquiring what happened back when the game first came out. If the audience is clueless, the scene was not clear enough.
John don't do that. The marines killed themselves, by sacrificing their only way off 04 (Truth and Reconciliation) by destroying the ship to stop flood samples escaping. This was shortly before the PoA exploded so they were all dead anyway, bar the ones on Johnson's pelican.
9635
« on: November 30, 2014, 05:20:08 AM »
Fallout 3 was a good game, but not a good Fallout game. I enjoy it, but I just ignore the MQ because it sucks.
If only Van Buren was canon...
9636
« on: November 30, 2014, 05:18:34 AM »
Playing games.
Rinse and repeat all my free time.
9637
« on: November 29, 2014, 05:14:32 PM »
U FUKEN WOT ILL REK U I SWER ON MI MUMS HAMSTER
9638
« on: November 29, 2014, 01:00:46 PM »
Don't get me wrong i LOVE the empire, but with a new trilogy i was expecting a whole new enemy faction. Yea I know, it's not the same empire but probably just the remains or some sort revived uprise. I know it was just a teaser trailer, but from what it seems there isn't a new enemy faction...yet.
In the proper EU, the empire was around in some form for centuries after the GCW. I really hope we see Yuuzhan Vong in this trilogy though. They're so cool,
9639
« on: November 29, 2014, 12:45:10 PM »
I saw transformers 4 last night
shit be 3 hours long
9640
« on: November 29, 2014, 12:42:49 PM »
Ayyy
oaml
U
wot
m8
dont make me rek u
let's rumble
9641
« on: November 29, 2014, 12:38:52 PM »
Ayyy
oaml
U
wot
m8
dont make me rek u
9642
« on: November 29, 2014, 12:31:37 PM »
9643
« on: November 29, 2014, 12:18:28 PM »
Get back to anarchy. Don't make me get my baseball bat.
9644
« on: November 29, 2014, 10:33:05 AM »
u fuken wot m8
9645
« on: November 29, 2014, 09:09:31 AM »
It's not like this is any more practical
Yes it is. Not to mention that's Halo and Elites fight a specific way.
Not really. That would be much easier to cut a finger off considering the blade is around the entire hand.
9646
« on: November 29, 2014, 09:05:32 AM »
>implying chavs are people
9647
« on: November 29, 2014, 09:02:19 AM »
It's not like this is any more practical
9648
« on: November 28, 2014, 05:58:30 PM »
MODSMODSMODSMODSMODSMODSMODSMODSMODS
9649
« on: November 28, 2014, 05:03:00 PM »
Fired a 12G shotgun when I was in Wales on holiday. My parents know a guy who has a farm and we went shooting.
It was surprisingly light, though the kick gave me a bruise for a week.
9650
« on: November 28, 2014, 04:22:23 PM »
Is this for a story you are writing?
More the backhistory for my universe, though this is like a quarter of the timeline.
9651
« on: November 28, 2014, 04:10:49 PM »
Does the interplanetary war get the attention of the aliens? Or do refugees stumble into their territory?
I don't see people licking their wounds after a huge war going out exploring in such a small time frame.
Other than that, it all seems well planned out.
There were six main colonise syyems with a few fringe worlds being explored and settled by random people. One of these private groups would jump to a planet to find two fleets standing off in orbit, where they then relayed their findings back to the Earth government.
9652
« on: November 28, 2014, 08:02:45 AM »
So you're not handing out lollipops?
9653
« on: November 28, 2014, 08:02:11 AM »
There's a catch. There's always a catch.
9654
« on: November 28, 2014, 07:58:54 AM »
Elsweyr or bust.
Go back to furaffinity you furvert.
I just want to see a desert in TES. It has a chance for some really cool Shadow of the Colossus type stuff.
That type of stuff will most likely be only in your dreams. With the amount of effort they put into Skyrim it's safe to say you're not going to get anything creative for creatures that resemble the colossus.
I can dream. I can dream.It's a shame. I love Skyrim but it is no where near a perfect game. I mean, even adding something as simple as a hardcore mode like FNV would have gien it new life, especially considering the amount of food in the game. However, I do want to see a post-war Cyrodiil or Summerset Isle under control of the Aldmeri. We need a Shadow of the Colossus 2.
9655
« on: November 28, 2014, 07:56:31 AM »
-Present to 2160-ish- human expansion through space and colonisation of other worlds
-2160-2214-First interplanetary war
-2221- First contact. Aliens are in the midst of a civil war, which humans opt to avoid
-2260-2263 Human colony is attacked by accident. Human forces (Note, they have much more troops and infrastructure as opposed to aliens, though the tech is weaker) counterattack and choose a side. They gradually force the weaker army back to their homeworld and force a surrender.
-2263-2346- The shattered alien empires begin to rebuild based off the superior human economy and military. Humans rapidly become a powerful force and eventually assume full control in what becomes the Imperial Age. Xenophobic attitudes from the previous war remain and the Imperium gradually becomes a massively human-centric empire that only benefits the humans
-2346-2654- The Imperial age, of alien oppression. Realising that rebellion is possible, a newly discovered system is prepared as a fallback named Exodus, for the event humanity is pushed to lose dominance.
-2654- Earth is attacked by a new empire called the S'pher, that destroys the human army completely and pushes them out of their territory. The humans fall back to Exodus, and launch a counteroffensive in 2683 to reclaim their territory, making a multifrontal assault back into their lost systems. In 2701, they launch the final invasion of Earth and begin the event eventually called the Endgame.
Does this sound like the pacing is about rioght or should it be slowed down to roughly half the time?
9656
« on: November 28, 2014, 07:34:28 AM »
Elsweyr or bust.
Go back to furaffinity you furvert.
I just want to see a desert in TES. It has a chance for some really cool Shadow of the Colossus type stuff.
9657
« on: November 28, 2014, 06:31:23 AM »
Elsweyr or bust.
9658
« on: November 28, 2014, 06:21:39 AM »
Honestly, I think the question here is, who wouldn't fanboy over a genuine Spartan?
I wonder, if in Halo canon, there's a fangirl site dedicated to Chief.
Well Thorne has a Master Chief Action Figure so I'm going to guess there would be.
What a queer
 u wot
9659
« on: November 28, 2014, 05:50:17 AM »
I am Chakas
fuken 345 fanboy Spoiler It's funny because not many people will know what you mean.
9660
« on: November 28, 2014, 05:45:37 AM »
I have never heard of anyone calling it the worst in the original trilogy, that would have to be A New Hope. Not that any of the films are bad, but A New Hope was the slowest and most predictable, which is not bad. Still an amazing movie, and Empire is the greatest Star Wars film, and likely always will be. Jedi had some kinda ridiculous scenes, especially with the Ewoks, but that final space battle is one of the best to ever be in a movie.
As much as people hate the prequels, I have to say that the Battle of Coruscant was the best space battle in the entire series. The prequels were great for their battle scenes and lightsaber duels, though lacking elsewhere (Geonosis remains my favourite battle in the entire series, unless Umbara from TCW counts)
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