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6991
« on: August 20, 2015, 03:50:54 PM »
IMO I would realistically expect the aliens to be chosen by the forerunners, and humanity would have been attacking them because muh butthurt
Actually, that would have been an original idea. I notice a trend in sci-fi these days. Humanity always seems to land as "muh chosen ones" in some form or another. Portrayed as inherently "good" or "okay," or, "worthy."
Mass Effect was another series guilty of falling into that gay ass cliche of a trap as well.
I was actually thinking this it's always the good ole' humanity that saves the day with kindness and honesty, tbh i would see humanity as the greedy powerful types
Like I said. "Muh chosen ones" complex.
In Halo, in all instances in the lore, humanity had apparently done nothing wrong and was seemingly portrayed as the small kid on the block while everybody else was the big bad bullies to them.
And in Mass Effect, especially in 3 where shit became big time Earth centric, Humanity got themselves flagged as genetically superior by the Reapers and became the prime conversion target.
I don't think I've ever played a game or read a book where Humanity didn't have some sort of pivotal central role because of some special innate and invisible quality.
And it's kinda gay, the more I spot it frankly.
Yeh. Bungie kind of started that trend in games. In fairness, humanity got fucked over by the forerunners before the firing of the array.
But I basically rewrote half my own thing when I realise I was falling into this trap. Then again, my human faction only really got powerful because they arrived in the middle of a war and ended up ring the influencing factor for one side.
Actually, not really. Again, fell into the trap. The Forerunners only ever ended up firing the Halos because they got into a row with the Precursors who decided that humanity would be the inheritors of the mantle. Cue a good long millenia later when the flood return and the rest is history.
I count 3, if not 4 instances in the series alone.
1. Precursors giving the mantle to Humanity and the Forerunners getting all pissy about it, killing the milky way Precursors
2. Humanity aggressively expanding but actually fleeing the Flood, dunked on by the Forerunners, and, expressly taken an interest in by the Flood-Precursors
3.Post-Array activation, Humanity starting up again as delightful little flowers before the big bad bully on the block got all pissy when their leaders learned that Humans weren't relics but in fact, Reclaimers.
Special snowflake syndrome, that is.
I more meant humans being BTFO by the forerunners after their war and being reduced to cavemen.
Anyway;
2- Not really humans fault. The Precursors created the flood as a weapon against the forerunners. Humanity found it first and got destroyed by it.
3- The Primordial took an interest because he believed the Humans had found a cure. It is strongly implied this was a lie and there was no cure, but either way, the Primordial took an interest because he was decieved. Not because humans r special
To be honest, a lot of the forerunner saga stuff had to be written to explain the status quo that bungie enforced in their reign with humans r special. Which is a shame, I'm more of a fan of when someting occurs randomly. I preferred the idea of the flood as this big intergalactic.. thing that had consumed multiple galaxy like the they did the Forerunners before the Forerunner saga solidified the precursors.
Same here. They seemed more threatening as an advanced evolutionary lifeform on their own. Imagine that. A parasite that was so hyper evolved it was operating on galactic scale, enough to give even the Forerunners a kick to the dick.
Over what they are now, basically a tool just like the Reapers.
Yeh.
Honestly, I'm still not sure about the interperetation of the forerunners. It's cool, but seems... Can't put my finger on it, but it doesn't seem right. Maybe it's just the fact I don't like having ancient empires who left behind artifacts for all the new empires to squabble over trope. Seems pretty lazy when that's your motivation for political stuff and wars.
I mean, I like it in moderation. There were a few planets in ME with the descriptions that pre-prothean empires reigned there, but that's it. We don't see them as a major thing, but they provide depth to the universe by reinforcing that the current civilisations and the protheans aren't the only ones that have existed.
All that said, bungie's original intention; that the forerunners were humans and the flood an experiment gone wrong, is even more boring, IMO.
Exactly the same here. I was put off by the ancient empires thing. Not only for humanity but for everybody else too. I always liked the original vibe they set off, which is now at this point, tarnished.
They were alone in their advancements in the galaxy. No other species was going as fast as them. So, obviously, they were caretakers. Then they bumped into the Flood, extra-galactic origin, and waged war, utterly, completely lost, and made the ultimate sacrifice for everybody yet to come, if anything, to buy them some time.
Now I don't see automated machines, the only thing left after the Forerunners hit the killswitch, building the portal to the ark on africa as early man watched them in wonder.
I see politics and, to be honest, a cunt of a species.
Alas, the dangers of "too much information."
I find the inter-rate politics fascinating, honestly. But the series had to get back round to the Forerunners eventually, you can't keep a plot of human vs alien forever, lest it get stale. Despite my own personal distaste for having an ancient species+artifacts in the first place, I think Halo 5 is handling it really well.
The one thing that puts me off is the fact that we're actually facing Forerunners now. It doesn't seem feasible, especially with their engineering feats and capabilities. I'd have preffered if things related to forerunners stayed automated to their machinery.
And what really gets me iffy is the fact that now, for some apparent reason, the forerunners get a nerf. Forerunner aircraft getting taken out by homing rockets?
Simple ballistics? Battlesuits and hardlight getting demolished by bullets?
Really? Come on now. The hell happened to all that powerful engineering?
Gameplay != canon. remember, plasma bolts burn peoples faces off and needlers can kill with one crystal exploding and spreading micro-shrapnel throughout the body.
Besides, the didact wasn't even killed by falling into slipspace, and you saw just how badly John was getting massacred by the Didact. It took six composers exploding at the same time while a section of halo ring was detached to fall into the gravity well of a gas giant to kill him. Even then, he's referred to as 'contained' rather than dead.
Well, see, here's the thing.
Gameplay equates to the experience and the story. If you pass through a level and blow up some forerunner aircarft with your hydra homo rockets over there, then that's technically how it went. If you drop that section of the story into a book, the outcome is still the same.
And that's what I'm saying. I really, really want my gameplay to start reflecting canon. It'd be cool if they could find some way of doing that. Would help with the immersion.
If they did it by canon, then it'd be like playing on Legendary ++ all the time. Bullets would be literally useless.
Actually, it would get rid of making unsc weapons the staple weapons..
Anyway. It has been said that gameplay is done for balancing purposes and shouldn't be a factor for deciding that gun's damage in the canon or whatever. Rather, the campaign should be seen as a guide to the general story (IE Chief gets out of a crashed pelica, defends a courtyard from covenant, moved through the alleys of mombasa, drives a warthog through the underpass and then drives a tank across a bridge, for example).
Because in-lore, bullets are useless against shielding, grunts are lucky to even get a plasma pistol and unsc forces prefer to pick up covenant weapons whenever they can because they're superior.
WHY THE FUCK CAN'T THEY SHOW IT THEN.
Instead we get cutscenes of eggheads and co. in the Infinity mary-suing about. Spartan-ops. Infinity was boarded.
Lasky went rambo on Promethian Soldiers with a shotgun.
And grunts with no weapons? In book lore, Grunts are known for being sturdy as fucking shit. They can rip apart marines with their hands easily. Why can't we have mobs of rabid, melee based grunts trying to rip you apart?
Dunno. Needs to be exciting, I guess.
That would be awesome.
Seconded. I'd love a Halo game like that.
You know what might be nice? A Halo game using something like X-com mechanics. Those games are noted for not fucking around with pissy aliens. And by extension, none of the aliens in Halo are pissy.
Grunts are only noted as Grunts because they're used as throwaway canon fodder. They're short and stocky but they've the strength to walk and fire a fuel rod cannon one handed.
Something a Spartan can't do without two hands. Just once, I'd love a Halo game where the Covenent were portrayed like they are. A credible and incredibly dangerous threat that trumped Humanity on almost all levels.
That shit is only like 50 pounds.
A fuel rod? no A fully trained ODST had trouble picking one up in first strike. and a grunt could probably duel wield those things
6992
« on: August 20, 2015, 03:48:52 PM »
Thank you!
4% downloaded
6993
« on: August 20, 2015, 03:35:45 PM »
Ooh! Ground Zeroes is only 5gb. I can set this to download overnight.
Pro-tip, if you plan on playing MGS3 anytime soon don't play MGSV.
But if not then go ahead. Make sure you read the pre-mission story stuff. You'll know it when you see it.
I might to a verbatim style thing where I report my progress and give my impressions.
I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts. It's cool to hear how these games hold up to today's gamers.
I'll efinitely read the context. I'm that guy who reads all the books in skyrim because he enjoys playing video games to read.
6994
« on: August 20, 2015, 03:34:39 PM »
I might to a verbatim style thing where I report my progress and give my impressions. :^)
ye wot m90?
6995
« on: August 20, 2015, 03:33:47 PM »
It's free on gold so I may as well. Anyway, I'm setting it to download overnight, should be done by tomorrow.
what should I know going into GZ? Are there any tricks I should learn that they don't teach you?
I'll probably do, like, my impressions as I go along (shamelessly ripping off verb's idea) so it should be fun.
6996
« on: August 20, 2015, 03:30:25 PM »
Wup, verb's now on T&R
Y'know, while I'm on the subject. You can't understand my glee when we were doing about apartheid in history and how they set up 'Truth and Reconciliation' commitees for people to admit what they did after apartheid was done.
6997
« on: August 20, 2015, 03:28:49 PM »
Ooh! Ground Zeroes is only 5gb. I can set this to download overnight. I might to a verbatim style thing where I report my progress and give my impressions. Thanks, guys  Spoiler Then once I've done this, I'll be doing dark souls. If I don't give up again. that should be fun
6998
« on: August 20, 2015, 03:26:46 PM »
It's like you guys don't take into account the MP when comparing Halo games.
They don't.
I'm sure my opinion of the Halo series would be massively different if I disregarded the hundreds upon hundreds of hours I spent in matchmaking/customs/forge, and judged it solely on a few linear 3-4 hour campaigns.
Why would I judge a game on the part I don;t give a shit about?
Many of us would say the same thing in reply to the "full priced games should be able to stand on their own in singple player" thing.
The difference is, what is the point paying for a fully priced game when you can't guarantee you'll be able to play it? If people stop playing, the servers go down, you have a bad conenction or a whole myriad of other issues, then you've just got an expensive paperweight.
Titanfall and Evolve are both basically empty servers now. It sucks if you bought them and you can't play them because no one else is playing. Whereas with Halo 3, I can still replay the campaign, should I want to, regardless of if there's other people.
I don't see how that applies at all to the Halo discussion
A game should always be able to stand on its single player alone
The single player will always be play-able (lol except destiny) regardless of playerbase or connection issues. Multiplayer won't.
That doesn't apply to any of the Halo games aside from like, MCC and maybe the Spatan Ops games. CE, 2, 3, ODST, Reach, and H4 all had local competitive and cooperative multiplayer options. I get what you're saying but it doesn't matter in this context.
I'm a loser and have no friends But seriously. I know of no one irl who would prefer to splitscreen. But that's another argument also; Spoiler lol halo 5 doesn't have splitscreen
6999
« on: August 20, 2015, 03:22:14 PM »
7000
« on: August 20, 2015, 03:21:28 PM »
It's like you guys don't take into account the MP when comparing Halo games.
They don't.
I'm sure my opinion of the Halo series would be massively different if I disregarded the hundreds upon hundreds of hours I spent in matchmaking/customs/forge, and judged it solely on a few linear 3-4 hour campaigns.
Why would I judge a game on the part I don;t give a shit about?
Many of us would say the same thing in reply to the "full priced games should be able to stand on their own in singple player" thing.
The difference is, what is the point paying for a fully priced game when you can't guarantee you'll be able to play it? If people stop playing, the servers go down, you have a bad conenction or a whole myriad of other issues, then you've just got an expensive paperweight.
Titanfall and Evolve are both basically empty servers now. It sucks if you bought them and you can't play them because no one else is playing. Whereas with Halo 3, I can still replay the campaign, should I want to, regardless of if there's other people.
I don't see how that applies at all to the Halo discussion
A game should always be able to stand on it's single player alone The single player will always be play-able (lol except destiny) regardless of playerbase or connection issues. Multiplayer won't.
7001
« on: August 20, 2015, 03:20:11 PM »
...w..what..?
"I only play single player cuz le story I am lore master"
Its CSGO.
oh I don't even counter-strike anyway. I prefer combined-arms warfare in my multiplayer. Besides, I am the lore master. I generally read up the lore on most game series I play- Halo, Mass Effect, Fallout, Elder Scrolls and so forth I'm that guy who reads all the books in skyrim because I play video games to read books C:
7002
« on: August 20, 2015, 03:17:38 PM »
Are there many for the PS2? I still have one of those and PS2 games are dirt cheap now.
RPGs or Metal Gear?
metal gear
7003
« on: August 20, 2015, 03:17:14 PM »
7004
« on: August 20, 2015, 03:16:16 PM »
I might get a PS3 at some point then
there's a couple games I want to play, and I'm guessing PS3's are relatively cheap now. I got a PS3 slim 250gb model for £58 the other week on ebay. You definitely should get one, if not for the complete MGS experience, then for the other franchises you missed.
Aside from MG, I want to play Killzone, Last of Us (Shut up I think it looks cool) and Shadow of the Colosus HD port. ?
TLoU is a fantastic game. Nobody is judging you for it.
whenever it's mentioned, I always see it referred to as ladder simulator and shit I might get a PS3 at some point then
Probably your best bet. Especially since the prices are dropping fast.
FUCK I knew I should have got it on my account while it was free
Pretty sure it's still free, though. I wouldn't pay for it, to be honest. Too overpriced.
Don't think it is. I think that was last month's game. I'll have a look now. I have something else I need to do on xbox anyway...
7005
« on: August 20, 2015, 03:14:32 PM »
It's sad knowing 343 won't ditch the shitty outdated human weapons because people will just cry about it.
But... but muh shitty and useless SMGs!!
ay bruh dont be talking smack about the smg, i fuck shit up with those things in halo 3
dual wield that shit, niggas just drop before they can get their little br 4-shot in
>dual wielding in Halo 3
I bet you were one of those bks that wouldn't veto Team Duals
you bet your mexican ass i dont veto team duals
I'll shrek you with a Plasma Rifle/SMG combo
you wanna go mate
let's go right now what's your fucking gay ass GT
If you could buy me a 360 with a disc tray that reads games and Gold I'll 1v1 against you
typical cop-out smh
still more respectable than going 4-25
If we played, I guaran-damn-tee there won't be cross-map Mauler shots
I don't know man, those things have some impressive range on them Spoiler compared to a melee strike
7006
« on: August 20, 2015, 03:12:52 PM »
...w..what..?
7007
« on: August 20, 2015, 03:12:10 PM »
Rising is fun.
It's silly fun.
I'm one of those cool edgy kids who doesn't really enjoy a game unless it takes itself seriously
Not in the gears of war sense of "manliest man competition" serious, but not being over the top
Except the lego games. Those games are great.
MGS does have some silly stuff in it, like pictures of random Japanese girls being on the inside of locker doors and toilet cubicles.
I know there's an easter egg where photos of the developers are there in frames on a wall or something
7008
« on: August 20, 2015, 03:11:08 PM »
To be honest you could just start playing at Ground Zeroes and still enjoy yourself. TPP is going to be a blast, and Kojima said new fans won't be left behind, due to flashbacks and stuff.
I mean, it's a gameplay heavy game, so even if you don't get the story, we can explain it on Sep7agon and you can still enjoy the masterful gameplay.
FUCK I knew I should have got it on my account while it was free
7009
« on: August 20, 2015, 03:10:12 PM »
Because ever since watching that, it pretty much turned me off metal gear. I'm not a big fan of the japanese thing of having people wielding swords the size of helicopter blades flying through the air.
Oh, I concur. I'm not the biggest fan of Japanese culture (or, modern Japanese culture) but Metal Gear is certainly not weeb shit, if that's what you're thinking.
I mean, it definitely has it's Eastern influences (the translation, the writing style and the MGS4) but I've always seen Kojima as a backwards weeb: he's a Jap that's infatuated with Western culture. I think the mix is absolutely perfect.
As Lemon said, the complete experience is on PS3. But MGS1 can be emulated flawlessly on a computer (I think it's actually better this way, the keyboard is better suited to it's retro gameplay) and MGS4 can be skipped entirely (though that's controversial in itself. Basically, MGS4 is the Halo 3 of MGS: overrated by nostaligafags.) As for MGSV, it's on X1, so. . .
I might get a PS3 at some point then there's a couple games I want to play, and I'm guessing PS3's are relatively cheap now. Spoiler Aside from MG, I want to play Killzone, Last of Us (Shut up I think it looks cool) and Shadow of the Colosus HD port.
7010
« on: August 20, 2015, 03:07:39 PM »
It's sad knowing 343 won't ditch the shitty outdated human weapons because people will just cry about it.
But... but muh shitty and useless SMGs!!
ay bruh dont be talking smack about the smg, i fuck shit up with those things in halo 3
dual wield that shit, niggas just drop before they can get their little br 4-shot in
>dual wielding in Halo 3
I bet you were one of those bks that wouldn't veto Team Duals
you bet your mexican ass i dont veto team duals
I'll shrek you with a Plasma Rifle/SMG combo
you wanna go mate
let's go right now what's your fucking gay ass GT
If you could buy me a 360 with a disc tray that reads games and Gold I'll 1v1 against you
typical cop-out smh
still more respectable than going 4-25
7011
« on: August 20, 2015, 03:05:17 PM »
It's sad knowing 343 won't ditch the shitty outdated human weapons because people will just cry about it.
But... but muh shitty and useless SMGs!!
ay bruh dont be talking smack about the smg, i fuck shit up with those things in halo 3
dual wield that shit, niggas just drop before they can get their little br 4-shot in
>dual wielding in Halo 3
I bet you were one of those bks that wouldn't veto Team Duals
you bet your mexican ass i dont veto team duals
I'll shrek you with a Plasma Rifle/SMG combo
you wanna go mate
let's go right now what's your fucking gay ass GT
Ooh! another 1v1 livestream!
7012
« on: August 20, 2015, 03:01:57 PM »
It's sad knowing 343 won't ditch the shitty outdated human weapons because people will just cry about it.
But... but muh shitty and useless SMGs!!
ay bruh dont be talking smack about the smg, i fuck shit up with those things in halo 3
dual wield that shit, niggas just drop before they can get their little br 4-shot in
>dual wielding in Halo 3
I bet you were one of those bks that wouldn't veto Team Duals
you bet your mexican ass i dont veto team duals
I'll shrek you with a Plasma Rifle/SMG combo
1v1 me plasma pistols only no dual wielding
7013
« on: August 20, 2015, 03:01:15 PM »
Rising is fun.
It's silly fun.
I'm one of those cool edgy kids who doesn't really enjoy a game unless it takes itself seriously Not in the gears of war sense of "manliest man competition" serious, but not being over the top Except the lego games. Those games are great.
7014
« on: August 20, 2015, 02:59:14 PM »
Revengeance looked... over the top, I guess. just ridiculous.
I can get past some janky gameplay for a cool plot. I still happily play mass effect 1, after all.
Thanks for the advice ^ ^
Rising Revengeace was developed by Platinum Games. Those kind of games are their thing.
Ah. In regards to the playstation thing. They're making a shit ton of titles available on launch of the program. It's a 360 emulator rather than a MCC style port; they said the hardest bit is getting the license to port the games. So hopefully they'll be ported. I'm planning on selling my 360 when the compatability is out as the only games I still play on it are my RPGs. Are there many for the PS2? I still have one of those and PS2 games are dirt cheap now.
7015
« on: August 20, 2015, 02:56:33 PM »
It's sad knowing 343 won't ditch the shitty outdated human weapons because people will just cry about it.
But... but muh shitty and useless SMGs!!
ay bruh dont be talking smack about the smg, i fuck shit up with those things in halo 3
dual wield that shit, niggas just drop before they can get their little br 4-shot in
dual wielding silenced smg's in h2A is pretty fun
7016
« on: August 20, 2015, 02:55:52 PM »
It's sad knowing 343 won't ditch the shitty outdated human weapons because people will just cry about it.
But... but muh shitty and useless SMGs!!
the crying about the rocket launcher was bad enough
god help them if they try to make the battle rifle a reasonably balanced weapon
there will be tears
but muhh one gun that dominates and makes the rest of the sandbox the equivalent of throwing rocks
no no no you can only be good at the game if you can use the easiest weapon to use proficiently I have more respect for people who can run around with a plasma repeater or an smg than people who can use something that is useful in pretty much any situation
7017
« on: August 20, 2015, 02:53:41 PM »
It's like you guys don't take into account the MP when comparing Halo games.
They don't.
I'm sure my opinion of the Halo series would be massively different if I disregarded the hundreds upon hundreds of hours I spent in matchmaking/customs/forge, and judged it solely on a few linear 3-4 hour campaigns.
Why would I judge a game on the part I don;t give a shit about?
Many of us would say the same thing in reply to the "full priced games should be able to stand on their own in singple player" thing.
The difference is, what is the point paying for a fully priced game when you can't guarantee you'll be able to play it? If people stop playing, the servers go down, you have a bad conenction or a whole myriad of other issues, then you've just got an expensive paperweight. Titanfall and Evolve are both basically empty servers now. It sucks if you bought them and you can't play them because no one else is playing. Whereas with Halo 3, I can still replay the campaign, should I want to, regardless of if there's other people.
7018
« on: August 20, 2015, 02:51:01 PM »
Revengeance looked... over the top, I guess. just ridiculous.
I can get past some janky gameplay for a cool plot. I still happily play mass effect 1, after all.
Thanks for the advice ^ ^
7019
« on: August 20, 2015, 02:49:27 PM »
Is Revengeance 'that game' for the series, like Reach for Halo, or is most of the Metal Gear series like that? Because if it isn't, I might have a look into it.
Yes. Yes. Yes.
Revengeance is the furthest thing you could get from Metal Gear.
Like if you have a 360, get the HD Collection.
Ah. Because ever since watching that, it pretty much turned me off metal gear. I'm not a big fan of the japanese thing of having people wielding swords the size of helicopter blades flying through the air. I like stuff that takes itself more seriously. I might look into getting the HD collection once XB1 gets backwards compatibility. I'm planning on having another go at dark souls at some point.
7020
« on: August 20, 2015, 02:46:40 PM »
It's sad knowing 343 won't ditch the shitty outdated human weapons because people will just cry about it.
But... but muh shitty and useless SMGs!!
the crying about the rocket launcher was bad enough
god help them if they try to make the battle rifle a reasonably balanced weapon there will be tears
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