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6931
« on: August 20, 2015, 07:06:52 PM »
Do you have the Duke controller or the slim controller? ummmmmm
i love how OG xbox shit is impossible to google, because if you just type "xbox", it assumes you mean 360
but if you type "xbox 1"...
it's an S, yeah
Are you going to play Halo 2 as well?
6932
« on: August 20, 2015, 07:05:06 PM »
what form is it coming out in?
paperback
I don't think halo does hardbacks all that much. aside from the art books and the reference books.
Oh, its a novel?
Thought it would be animated or something...
By December, we'll have had over the past two years; 24 comics Six books Three games (4 if you count the spartan strike port to consoles and steam) About sixty canon fodder articles Nightfall Fall of Reach Animated And people say 343 don't care about the story. Ha!
6933
« on: August 20, 2015, 07:01:37 PM »
Plasma weapon + pistol shot to the head I haven't seen any pistols in a long time. I guess they just weren't available in those levels.
I meant when you have one. Sorry.
Also run things over when possible to take advantage of CE's terrible acceleration physics.
It's not the acceleration physics. They just couldn't program the game to detect I your moving at a certain speed and what damage to deal and instead said fuck it and made it so any vehicle impact will insta kill an enemy. Or friendly. Or you.
6934
« on: August 20, 2015, 06:32:59 PM »
silent cartographer is a 'hog level. Just a heads up.
Anyway, your best bet in Halo is this; plasma weapons do amazing damage against shields, and bullets do amazing damage against unshielded enemies
When fighting the bigger elites, shooting their shields with a plasma rifle or overcharging a plasma pistol by holding the trigger will deplete their shields quickly, then a pistol shot to the head will take any enemy out in one hit
As for hunters, run round the right and hit them in the orange bit in the back between the armour. That counts as the 'head' for the game, so one pistol or sniper round will do them in. They take zero damage to armour, though.
Marty's music got a lot better throughout the games. Particularly in ODST.
Also, master Chief has survived falls from orbit twice as of now. So be glad the fall damage was removed until Reach (Well, ODST has it but you play as a regular human then so whatever) then removed again in 4.
Also, the sniper's night-scope has been removed since CE. So has the flashlight in general. It only appears in the campaign. You get a proper night vision in ODST and Reach though.
Also, grenade indicators weren't added until Halo 4. Before then, you were expected to hear grunts shouting to look at their blue balls.
6935
« on: August 20, 2015, 06:24:45 PM »
oh my
150 replies before the game is downloaded
6936
« on: August 20, 2015, 06:22:35 PM »
Hey guys, remember when the Didact in the terminals wasn't a mind-clone?
Yeah, me too.
I'm still unsure about that It feels like they wanted him in Halo 4 and needed to come up with an excuse to keep him being the one who activated the array canon Personally, I feel they could have pulled it off and kept the end result (HAving a Didact activate the rings then go into stasis on Requiem or something) it's going to be fun when the other didact comes back into the fold. It was hard enough trying to explain to many people why one forerunner was alive, let alone a forerunner of the same name and role but not the same guy, and a bunch of other ones who have been mentioned in three books and that's it.
6937
« on: August 20, 2015, 06:19:21 PM »
what form is it coming out in?
paperback I don't think halo does hardbacks all that much. aside from the art books and the reference books.
6938
« on: August 20, 2015, 06:18:33 PM »
and bacon, the forerunners (i guess the precursors) are what interested me the most
Fair enough. I can understand that. In some ways, I feel that the Forerunner Saga was too much information, too fast. I guess part of the thing originally was tht the Forerunners were a drip feed of information, and I suppose a lot of people had their own ideas and speculations of how the species worked. I suppose when the info you're given smashes the ideas you have had, it doesn't feel too good. Still, at least 343 haven't had to out-right retcon anything. They even managed to fix Halo Reach's mess and the Forerunner saga interferes very little, if any, with the preestablished lore.
6939
« on: August 20, 2015, 06:08:57 PM »
Some of the best stuff is post-Halo 3 and post-Bungie, though.
I doubt it gets any better than Halo 3's terminals.
You'd be surprised. Honestly, I'm just looking forward to when the terminals can stop having to be summaries of what we already know and we can start getting new stuff again. Halo 4's were a recap of the forerunner books and the Halo 2 terminals a recap of what we knew of Thel from Cole Protocol and the history of the Arbiter. Of course, it depends on your interests. I've never been overly excited about having the precursor trope in sci-fi, I'm more interested in the human-covenant political stuff so the recent emdia has been great for me. A lot of it has been dealing with the UNSC-Swords of Sanghelios alliance after the war and the ongoing Great Schism.
6940
« on: August 20, 2015, 06:01:51 PM »
I haven't kept up with the lore for a good reason tho
but... muh blind wolves
Pretty meh tbh
what are you
like
lord of admirals now
I've always liked halo lore since I first got introduced to the games like, I played the halo 3 campaign at a friend's house then went home and found out there were books (I spent the rest of the night reading on the story) and so I bought and read all the books and comics. This was years ago.
6941
« on: August 20, 2015, 06:00:06 PM »
I haven't kept up with the lore for a good reason tho
Why?
IMO, it hasn't really been interesting since Halo 3.
The Forerunner saga ruined a lot of the intrigue for me.
Yeah. I can understand that. It's a shame though, some of the more recent stuff this and last year has been great. We've had a book all about Buck and what happened after the war, a book about the Covenant just after it's formation, one about going back to the Ark, this and soon one that we don't know much about apart from the title 'Shadow of Intent'. The 2557-2558 time period stuff is really ramping up now. It's good 
6942
« on: August 20, 2015, 05:57:29 PM »
I haven't kept up with the lore for a good reason tho
but... muh blind wolves
6943
« on: August 20, 2015, 05:53:10 PM »
Cartographer is probably one of the iconic levels from the series. Like, the one that most people would pcik for CE's iconic mission, if that makes sense.
I can give you a tip that will make the mission time half of what it would be, but then it might spoil the plot.
6944
« on: August 20, 2015, 05:50:00 PM »
I'm not a fan of that art...
eh, I dunno
Not weeb enough for you?
>no boobs
>no anime girls
>no over-sexual looking 15 year olds
Yeah, this wont cut it
y'know what's creepy?
cortana was technically 7 in halo 4
that's all i'm saying
6945
« on: August 20, 2015, 05:46:15 PM »
New Spartan III stuff makes me happy.
Still holding on to the hope of a Headhunter game.
Just make far cry with a halo skin and I'll die happy
6946
« on: August 20, 2015, 05:45:25 PM »
I'm not a fan of that art...
eh, I dunno
Not weeb enough for you?
>no boobs
>no anime girls
>no over-sexual looking 15 year olds
Yeah, this wont cut it
y'know what's creepy? cortana was technically 7 in halo 4 that's all i'm saying
6947
« on: August 20, 2015, 05:43:14 PM »
Just like Halo 4!
It's more akin to Halo 3, like I said.
Seriously it's an awful game.
He means the nanomachines (son) part. Halo 4 uses them as explanations for some things.
This ^
nanotechnology is the explanation for why John's armour magically changed between games. I think people were using as an explanation for the Forward unto Dawn at some point as well.
Nah. FuD was a straight up artistic retcon.
For the better too. The original Charon-class design is literal ass.
Actually, I think the canon design is the Halo 3 era one. It's just that they wanted to make a more intersting level for Halo 4. Canonically, though, it's the Halo 3 design.
6948
« on: August 20, 2015, 05:41:19 PM »
When the teacher says her name for register, jump out of your seat and shout NUTS
says her name for register register
it's called (taking) attendance you crazy bastard
>america
>ever
If it wasn't for America you wouldn't be on the Internet, have a computer, and this site wouldn't exist.
England is literally the most overly nationalistic hellhole on the planet, because you guys contribute next to nothing to humanity.
Oh wait, almost forgot, you had an empire where you killed lots of brown people and drank tea. Jolly good old chap.
you cant barrage the farage
Fucking faggot that models his shit on American Republicans.
6949
« on: August 20, 2015, 05:34:58 PM »
Just like Halo 4!
It's more akin to Halo 3, like I said.
Seriously it's an awful game.
He means the nanomachines (son) part. Halo 4 uses them as explanations for some things.
This ^ nanotechnology is the explanation for why John's armour magically changed between games. I think people were using as an explanation for the Forward unto Dawn at some point as well.
6950
« on: August 20, 2015, 05:30:38 PM »
When the teacher says her name for register, jump out of your seat and shout NUTS
says her name for register register
it's called (taking) attendance you crazy bastard
>america
>ever
If it wasn't for America you wouldn't be on the Internet, have a computer, and this site wouldn't exist.
England is literally the most overly nationalistic hellhole on the planet, because you guys contribute next to nothing to humanity.
Oh wait, almost forgot, you had an empire where you killed lots of brown people and drank tea. Jolly good old chap.
you cant barrage the farage
6951
« on: August 20, 2015, 05:29:20 PM »
 Last Light releases next month. It's about Blue Team and, more importantly, the Spartan III's doing shit between Halo 3 and 4. It would seem that on the cover is Fred (S-II), Olivia (Spartan next to him) and likely Tom and Lucy in the background. so, for people who want to know more about what happened to those characters after GoO, you might want to pick this up I can't wait for it.
6952
« on: August 20, 2015, 05:24:24 PM »
The idea behind Raiden was good.
Raiden himself sucks shit.
I disagree. Honestly I liked him in MGS2, but I thought he was shit in 4 for being too broody. Broody characters come off as annoying to me anyway.
Revengence they at least gave him his sense of humor back, which is important. Only annoyance was that "Jack the Ripper" thing.
Revengeance tossed away every bit of development he got in GotP.
'I don't have to fight anymore, I'll just live with my family in peace. WAIT NO LEMME KILL SOME MORE PEOPLE THOUGH.'
Metal Gear Solid 4 was a retcon mess in general. I couldn't take any of what he said serious, along with a lot of other crap.
It made a SHIT ton of stuff established in MGS2 gone with the stroke of "Nanomachines".
Just like Halo 4!
6953
« on: August 20, 2015, 05:22:39 PM »
When the teacher says her name for register, jump out of your seat and shout NUTS
says her name for register register
it's called (taking) attendance you crazy bastard
Aw that's cute.
wait
don't tell me colleges say that
if your college takes attendance - you are probably special and in a special college.
Or you're in England where college means something else
6954
« on: August 20, 2015, 05:21:37 PM »
IMO I would realistically expect the aliens to be chosen by the forerunners, and humanity would have been attacking them because muh butthurt
Actually, that would have been an original idea. I notice a trend in sci-fi these days. Humanity always seems to land as "muh chosen ones" in some form or another. Portrayed as inherently "good" or "okay," or, "worthy."
Mass Effect was another series guilty of falling into that gay ass cliche of a trap as well.
I was actually thinking this it's always the good ole' humanity that saves the day with kindness and honesty, tbh i would see humanity as the greedy powerful types
Like I said. "Muh chosen ones" complex.
In Halo, in all instances in the lore, humanity had apparently done nothing wrong and was seemingly portrayed as the small kid on the block while everybody else was the big bad bullies to them.
And in Mass Effect, especially in 3 where shit became big time Earth centric, Humanity got themselves flagged as genetically superior by the Reapers and became the prime conversion target.
I don't think I've ever played a game or read a book where Humanity didn't have some sort of pivotal central role because of some special innate and invisible quality.
And it's kinda gay, the more I spot it frankly.
Yeh. Bungie kind of started that trend in games. In fairness, humanity got fucked over by the forerunners before the firing of the array.
But I basically rewrote half my own thing when I realise I was falling into this trap. Then again, my human faction only really got powerful because they arrived in the middle of a war and ended up ring the influencing factor for one side.
Actually, not really. Again, fell into the trap. The Forerunners only ever ended up firing the Halos because they got into a row with the Precursors who decided that humanity would be the inheritors of the mantle. Cue a good long millenia later when the flood return and the rest is history.
I count 3, if not 4 instances in the series alone.
1. Precursors giving the mantle to Humanity and the Forerunners getting all pissy about it, killing the milky way Precursors
2. Humanity aggressively expanding but actually fleeing the Flood, dunked on by the Forerunners, and, expressly taken an interest in by the Flood-Precursors
3.Post-Array activation, Humanity starting up again as delightful little flowers before the big bad bully on the block got all pissy when their leaders learned that Humans weren't relics but in fact, Reclaimers.
Special snowflake syndrome, that is.
I more meant humans being BTFO by the forerunners after their war and being reduced to cavemen.
Anyway;
2- Not really humans fault. The Precursors created the flood as a weapon against the forerunners. Humanity found it first and got destroyed by it.
3- The Primordial took an interest because he believed the Humans had found a cure. It is strongly implied this was a lie and there was no cure, but either way, the Primordial took an interest because he was decieved. Not because humans r special
To be honest, a lot of the forerunner saga stuff had to be written to explain the status quo that bungie enforced in their reign with humans r special. Which is a shame, I'm more of a fan of when someting occurs randomly. I preferred the idea of the flood as this big intergalactic.. thing that had consumed multiple galaxy like the they did the Forerunners before the Forerunner saga solidified the precursors.
Same here. They seemed more threatening as an advanced evolutionary lifeform on their own. Imagine that. A parasite that was so hyper evolved it was operating on galactic scale, enough to give even the Forerunners a kick to the dick.
Over what they are now, basically a tool just like the Reapers.
Yeh.
Honestly, I'm still not sure about the interperetation of the forerunners. It's cool, but seems... Can't put my finger on it, but it doesn't seem right. Maybe it's just the fact I don't like having ancient empires who left behind artifacts for all the new empires to squabble over trope. Seems pretty lazy when that's your motivation for political stuff and wars.
I mean, I like it in moderation. There were a few planets in ME with the descriptions that pre-prothean empires reigned there, but that's it. We don't see them as a major thing, but they provide depth to the universe by reinforcing that the current civilisations and the protheans aren't the only ones that have existed.
All that said, bungie's original intention; that the forerunners were humans and the flood an experiment gone wrong, is even more boring, IMO.
Exactly the same here. I was put off by the ancient empires thing. Not only for humanity but for everybody else too. I always liked the original vibe they set off, which is now at this point, tarnished.
They were alone in their advancements in the galaxy. No other species was going as fast as them. So, obviously, they were caretakers. Then they bumped into the Flood, extra-galactic origin, and waged war, utterly, completely lost, and made the ultimate sacrifice for everybody yet to come, if anything, to buy them some time.
Now I don't see automated machines, the only thing left after the Forerunners hit the killswitch, building the portal to the ark on africa as early man watched them in wonder.
I see politics and, to be honest, a cunt of a species.
Alas, the dangers of "too much information."
I find the inter-rate politics fascinating, honestly. But the series had to get back round to the Forerunners eventually, you can't keep a plot of human vs alien forever, lest it get stale. Despite my own personal distaste for having an ancient species+artifacts in the first place, I think Halo 5 is handling it really well.
The one thing that puts me off is the fact that we're actually facing Forerunners now. It doesn't seem feasible, especially with their engineering feats and capabilities. I'd have preffered if things related to forerunners stayed automated to their machinery.
And what really gets me iffy is the fact that now, for some apparent reason, the forerunners get a nerf. Forerunner aircraft getting taken out by homing rockets?
Simple ballistics? Battlesuits and hardlight getting demolished by bullets?
Really? Come on now. The hell happened to all that powerful engineering?
Gameplay != canon. remember, plasma bolts burn peoples faces off and needlers can kill with one crystal exploding and spreading micro-shrapnel throughout the body.
Besides, the didact wasn't even killed by falling into slipspace, and you saw just how badly John was getting massacred by the Didact. It took six composers exploding at the same time while a section of halo ring was detached to fall into the gravity well of a gas giant to kill him. Even then, he's referred to as 'contained' rather than dead.
Well, see, here's the thing.
Gameplay equates to the experience and the story. If you pass through a level and blow up some forerunner aircarft with your hydra homo rockets over there, then that's technically how it went. If you drop that section of the story into a book, the outcome is still the same.
And that's what I'm saying. I really, really want my gameplay to start reflecting canon. It'd be cool if they could find some way of doing that. Would help with the immersion.
If they did it by canon, then it'd be like playing on Legendary ++ all the time. Bullets would be literally useless.
Actually, it would get rid of making unsc weapons the staple weapons..
Anyway. It has been said that gameplay is done for balancing purposes and shouldn't be a factor for deciding that gun's damage in the canon or whatever. Rather, the campaign should be seen as a guide to the general story (IE Chief gets out of a crashed pelica, defends a courtyard from covenant, moved through the alleys of mombasa, drives a warthog through the underpass and then drives a tank across a bridge, for example).
Because in-lore, bullets are useless against shielding, grunts are lucky to even get a plasma pistol and unsc forces prefer to pick up covenant weapons whenever they can because they're superior.
WHY THE FUCK CAN'T THEY SHOW IT THEN.
Instead we get cutscenes of eggheads and co. in the Infinity mary-suing about. Spartan-ops. Infinity was boarded.
Lasky went rambo on Promethian Soldiers with a shotgun.
And grunts with no weapons? In book lore, Grunts are known for being sturdy as fucking shit. They can rip apart marines with their hands easily. Why can't we have mobs of rabid, melee based grunts trying to rip you apart?
Dunno. Needs to be exciting, I guess.
That would be awesome.
Seconded. I'd love a Halo game like that.
You know what might be nice? A Halo game using something like X-com mechanics. Those games are noted for not fucking around with pissy aliens. And by extension, none of the aliens in Halo are pissy.
Grunts are only noted as Grunts because they're used as throwaway canon fodder. They're short and stocky but they've the strength to walk and fire a fuel rod cannon one handed.
Something a Spartan can't do without two hands. Just once, I'd love a Halo game where the Covenent were portrayed like they are. A credible and incredibly dangerous threat that trumped Humanity on almost all levels.
That shit is only like 50 pounds.
A fuel rod? no
A fully trained ODST had trouble picking one up in first strike. and a grunt could probably duel wield those things
Idk this might be a canon fuck up cuz on wiki leaks it says 51 pounds loaded
http://www.halopedia.org/Type-33_fuel_rod_gun
Grunts are strong but they would still get whooped by humans in a straight up 1 v 1 fight. inb4 11 page argument
Not in the lore
Grunts eat people
They were basically set loose on civilian populations and ate them
Those things are fucking vicious
I know, but 1 they were civilians and 2 the gruntos probably outnumbered the people by a huge margin.
Not saying they aren't viscous. The one thing I'd love in a halo game is being swarmed by thousands of grunts.
Marines also have been dunked by grunts before as well. Happened on Reach. However.
50 pounds you say? Refer to my post above. The cannon itself may be "light" but the recoil on the weapon is tremendous. And for the record, 50 pounds is not light to hold in one arm, at all. I know what 50 pounds weighs like.
So I have a grasp of what firing a 50 pound object with recoil would be like. Judging by the fact that the cannon can lob rounds for a few hundred feet, as I said, the recoil on that gun is going to be fucking massive.
So do I, I've hauled shit over 50 pounds countless times while working construction with my brother.
If I recall correctly in one of the books a grunt named dabab gets fucking raped by a lone ship captain before an engineer throws a rock at his head.
Usually humans are somewhere within the grunt-jackal range of strength in halo.
The captain had a fire hydrant and took Dadap by surprise. and the engineer threw the rock with such a force it caved the guy's skull in. this was first contact, remember, so they had never encountered humans before.
Shit I meant fire extinguisher
6955
« on: August 20, 2015, 05:15:05 PM »
When the teacher says her name for register, jump out of your seat and shout NUTS
says her name for register register
it's called (taking) attendance you crazy bastard
>america >ever
6956
« on: August 20, 2015, 05:12:24 PM »
6957
« on: August 20, 2015, 05:04:47 PM »
Ruined this thread with shit Moba talk Bahaha that was my plan the whole time
fuk of outta my thread m80
6958
« on: August 20, 2015, 05:03:50 PM »
When the teacher says her name for register, jump out of your seat and shout NUTS
and if she does it first, wife her hard.
if she does it first, you must shout HA GOT EM
6959
« on: August 20, 2015, 05:02:33 PM »
fair enough
how far are you in the lvel?
i don't know
second big gold elite w/ an energy sword
You're in the bridge? Right. FYI, here' the rank system in the covenant; orange grunts/ blue elites and jackal shields = minor red grunts and elites and jackal shields = major gold elites = zealot invisible elites = Spec Ops And hunters are hunters. Aside from the gold ones you see in ODST, they don't have ranks. They just walk over (literally) jackals and grunts if they get in the way, and only communicate with Elites. I like hunters, the idea of a bunch of worms making up this massive creature is probaby the most alien alien in the series.
6960
« on: August 20, 2015, 04:59:39 PM »
Ironically the most peaceful species in the Covenant was the first to kill a human.
really?
Yeah. A Huragok killed a human with a rock.
I think it was a wrench, actually. But yeah, it was a Huragok.
Also, Johnson was the only human alive to see both the start of the war (First human to kill Covenant) and the end of the War (Assasination of Truth)
shame he had to die twenty minutes later
Lighter Than Some used the rock Dabab used to kill bugs.
Ah right. Need to re-read Harvest. Haven't read it for a while. Need to finish ASOIAF first.
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