Is this just free fuel until oil runs out or will it just keep coming from nowhere until I die?

If enough people join, I might boot up the 360 if you do any customs.

See, I wouldn't necissarily want to be fighting myself. But I'd still want to be doing something in the military. Like computer systems, stuff I'm good at. I wouldn't be very good at the whole fighting thing myself, so I generally feel that going to something like intelligence or whatever would be a better use of my skills. I'd still be there, doing stuff to help. But in an area more suited to my own skillset.

If any of that makes sense.

I have yet to play F4, but that's good to hear. I really need to get a PS4.

And of course Eden and Autumn are different. Eden was a pretty stock megalomaniacal AI, who didn't really care about the Enclave as much as he cared about America. Autumn's only goals were to take the purifier so he would reestablish the Enclave on the east coast and start restoring it to its former glory. Which, as you know, is a bad thing. Since the Enclave has no problems with genocide, forced genetic mutation, torture, and any number of heinous things. The future of the land under the Enclave may be stable, but it would be anything but good for its inhabitants. Certainly nowhere near the level of prosperity that the Capitol Wasteland under Lyons' BoS would be.

I never got the impression that Autumn cared for any of this. I never got the impression that he hted it, either, but he doesn't seem like that kind of guy. If he did care so much about that, why didn't he go along with the FEV plan? The old Enclave might have been fine with genocide and all that shit, but aside from wiping out super mutants, I don't really see why he would betray Eden as he did and then go along with how the Old Enclave was run anyway. It's really illogical. If he were only going along with Eden until he were in a stage to enact his own scheme and then fuck off with all the troops, then it's because his plan is one that Eden wouldn't accept; not using FEV, winning over the people of the wasteland and building a stable society built on co-operation between the Enclave having the resources and technology and the wasteland being the people who would obey their laws.

Autumn seems to want to use the Enclave as a force to be good. Honestly, Autumn and Lyons' goals weren't really that incompatible. If it weren't for the mandatory brotherhood-enclave war causing him to act like a bit of a dick, then I'd really choose Autumn over Brotherhood anytime.


Yeah. It's pretty awesome, the terminals and character dialogue give a bit of insight into what happened to the Brotherhood after Fallout 3. Sadly, we only have two returning characters from the Brotherhood, Maxson and Doctor Li (They say she went to the Commonwealth in Broken Steel so whatever it's not really a spoiler). Interesting stuff, and does well not to mention anything specific about Fallout 3 choices either.

Because Autumn's goals weren't altruistic like the East Coast Brotherhood's. He wanted to use the purifier as a means of control, so everyone would flock to the Enclave and allow them to start becoming a major power again after the events of Fallout 2. Not as bad as Eden, but the Enclave as a group is an objectively evil organization, and there's no ethical reason to side with them when the BoS is an option.

Autumn wanted to wipe out mutants, ghouls and such like any sane person would. But he realised that using the FEV would do more damage than good. He wanted to use the water as a way of establishing control; if he has a bargaining chip, there'd be a reason for people to flock to the Enclave and follow their laws. Eventually, if given enough time, they'd be able to begin establishing a 'new' USA, for better or for worse.

The Shoddycast guys did a video on it that explains it far better than I ever can. I'll link it if you like. It's a really interesting video.

Either way, I feel it important to distinguish that Eden != Autumn. Eden was batshit evil and there was literally no reason whatsoever to side with him. Autumn had a game plan, and was essentially the leader of the military anyway. Who listened to Eden when Autumn betrayed him?

The Brotherhood traditionally isn't evil, they're morally ambiguous. Their main goal is to hoard powerful pre-war technology and prevent wastelanders from obtaining it, because in their minds, technology is what led to the Great War. And they alone have the caution to wield it. In the first two games, they're presented as asshole bigots who will occasionally work with you against larger threats (Super Mutants, the Enclave). There are branches, but also a central unifying command.

Bethesda, though, needed a big good organization for plotting purposes, I guess. And so they made the Brotherhood fit that role. Lore-wise, the Brotherhood you see in 3 was sent to the east coast just to expand the BoS's influence, but Elder Lyons saw the terrible conditions in the Capitol Wasteland and took it upon himself to fix things. He knew it deviated from his mission, but he did it anyway. The "Brotherhood Outcasts" you sometimes see are actually those who stayed loyal to the mission and seceded from Lyons, believing he was defying the Brotherhood.

Personally, I like the role they've returned to in Fallout 4. They've maintained a healthy balance between the isolationist, militaristic and morally grey West-Coast chapters, while also realising accepting outsiders into their ranks and assisting their neighbours is what will keep them alive, and they've also returned to some founding principles such as the aquisition of high-end technology. Reading terminals on the Prydwen is really interesting, as you learn about how Maxson reunited the Outcasts and Brotherhood and got them working together for an overall goal. I like to imagine the eventually took the Pitt, and that's where they got the facilities to begin making their own tech like the Prydwen.

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Quote from: A Cheese Potato on December 23, 2015, 05:39:24 AM

this would have worked better if I knew who the poe was

should just used the teletubby po mate

TFA character

I mean the one pictured

Yeah I don't know either of them

I found a T-51B power armor set standing all alone inside of a crate. Brought it home with me and modified every part of the armor Winterized for old times sake.

I found a full suit of X-01 at the South Boston Military Checkpoint.

I wish there was an Enclave paint.

Quote from: space boy on December 23, 2015, 03:02:45 AM

Colonel autumn was a good guy. Still nevsr figured out why you have to work against him.

I still don't understand why he is still antagonistic even though he wants the same thing as the brotherhood. Seeing as it's Eden that wants to kill basically everything with even a little radiation damage

Yeah. Autumn was much better placed to be able to distribute the water and rebuild civilisation than the Brotherhood. Especially considering what happens in Broken Steel (which I won't spoil for Verb) with the purifier.

It was a really dumb choice. I wish that we could have got both to work together.

Colonel autumn was a good guy. Still nevsr figured out why you have to work against him.

I think reviewing the base game should be plenty enough, really

Aside from some story stuff that I shan't mention here, but you'll know about if you played Steel, yeah. The base game is enough to review. All the DLC is basically more of the same.

There are more options but it was pointless. Shit like accessorizes on the helmets or on your sides are pointless since they are barley noticeable.

At least it actually felt like the equipment was designed for a purpose rather than this

I once went on 4chan and immediately gave up because of the awful site layout

Quote from: space boy on December 22, 2015, 05:13:19 AM

why does every mod discussion devolve into an argument about whether verb should or shouldn't be a mod?

space boy

triggered

>tfw my only ever pinned thread isn't pinned anymore

why does every mod discussion devolve into an argument about whether verb should or shouldn't be a mod?