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Mars on the other hand is great.
And already firmly in the sights of firms like SpaceX. Government is good for both basic science research and pushing the fringes of technology; investment in exploratory technology will be more broadly beneficial than simply gathering information about Europa.

You shouldn't run before you can walk.

Ideally, we should be focusing on setting up a fuel facility on Deimos using the ice buried in the surface, so that outbound spacecraft can have a larger Delta-V budget and thus decrease the costs of travel. This benefits everyone, as it decreases the costs of getting to Mars, the asteroids or the Giants.

Ideally, we should have established an orbital propellant depot before going anywhere near the Moon, but the Cold War fucked that one up. It would have been much more efficient but slower.

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Eugh. I hope this doesn't mean yet another change of directive for NASA. This business of changing policies every four years just slows development.

Hopefully NASA are able to concentrate on Mars still.
Well if we could just fucking find a way to travel longer distances in space Europa is actually a much better destination.

Is it?

Pros-
-Undersea ocean may harbour life

Cons-
-Jupiter's glowing blue fields of death would make human habitation almost impossible, even with our radiation protection.
-It's extremely hard to get through the ice to the sea
-Much higher cost and travel times
-Less sunlight means less energy.

Mars on the other hand is great.

Pros-
-Fairly close to Earth
-Phobos and Deimos are perfect places to construct fuel reserves in the moons' ice, to act as gateways both to Mars and to the outer system
-Less fuel cost than Jupiter
-Mars' existing resources can be used to create radiation shielding underground
-And also fuel
-Sunlight is more powerful for solar panels
-Only a twenty minute light gap as opposed to hours
-Can mine out airtight bunkers for habitation

Cons-
-Radiation (not as much as europa)
-Cold (but not cold enough to be unworkable)
-Essentially (for practical purposes) a vaccuum. But this is sort of a nonissue

Mars is a much better place to go first.

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I actually think that NASA (at least, the space side of things) could do well under Trump. Being the president that put people on Mars would definitely feed his ego.

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Eugh. I hope this doesn't mean yet another change of directive for NASA. This business of changing policies every four years just slows development.

Hopefully NASA are able to concentrate on Mars still.

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The Flood / Re: Anyone else notice how they've made Rohan
« on: November 14, 2016, 09:01:50 AM »
I still don't understand how Rohan is supposedly the capitol of a country. The films present it as a small town at best with a couple hundred residents. It barely has any walls for defence and there aren't even any farms surrounding it to feed the people inside.

Talk about retarded castle design.
It didn't need walls Rohan is defended by the Horse Lords ya dip, and when they need better protection they hole up in the best defended fortress in middle earth.

I don't see why you'd risk your defence on your cavalry when horses scare and can be killed, when you could build a wall and drop rocks on your enemies' heads as they try to get in. A good castle can hold off hundreds or thousands of attackers with as few as a dozen defenders - there seems no logical reason to risk all your expensive horses and infantry when you could have them all safe behind your walls and still able to defend the castle.

And Helms Deep is kind of poor in its design. No drawbridge on the main entrance (despite being perfect location for one), no inner gates, no moat on the deeping wall (despite the fact there is a river so a moat would be an obvious choice). A drawbridge and a moat could have stopped the Uruks for a few days if not more. And what if your civilians are attacked going to HD? What if the castle is occupied while you're at HD and now you've lost your seat of power?

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Further, Rohan is safe from the aggression of Mordor by the strength of Gondor, and their border to the North is well protected by roving riders, and even past all that, if you managed to evade all defences, you would surely be sacked by the men of the hills.

I don't see why you entrust your safety on other people. What if Gondor falls or they go to war with Gondor? Why should they rely on men of the hills (I believe they're the guys who Saruman rallies to attack Rohan at the beginning of TTT, no? They don't seem to friendly to Rohan). It still seems like a really shaky foundation to entrust your defence on.

Again, it seems like way too situational of a defence to really work properly. It relies on all belligerents promising to be besties with Rohan and stick true to their word. You could still have all that while having big walls and a ditch around the walls to hold off a siege.

And that doesn't address why the grassland outside the city isn't covered in farmlands. You have to wonder where the food is coming from.

Maybe (and I imagine) it's different and better in the books, but as it's shown in the film it kind of sucks and relies on too many variables to really make a good defence.

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The Flood / Re: Anyone else notice how they've made Rohan
« on: November 14, 2016, 04:53:16 AM »
I still don't understand how Rohan is supposedly the capitol of a country. The films present it as a small town at best with a couple hundred residents. It barely has any walls for defence and there aren't even any farms surrounding it to feed the people inside.

Talk about retarded castle design.

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The results of Brexit and maga do show that rural America and rural UK are closer to eachother than they are to their respective urban populations.

So what you're saying is that the English North and American South should unite into a supercountry?

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Serious / Re: Eight years from now we're going to look back and say...
« on: November 13, 2016, 06:08:16 AM »
Weren't you slamming trump and denouncing him before the result?
Which was before the election, now that my denial and anger are gone, I fully accept Meme God Emperor Trump as our president.

So basically you just 180 when the other side is winning.

Ok

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The Flood / Re: Friends? We're not friends
« on: November 12, 2016, 06:28:04 PM »
I'll stop if you 1v1 me on Halo 3.

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The Flood / Re: Friends? We're not friends
« on: November 12, 2016, 06:24:42 PM »
MEMEPOCALYPSE

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The Flood / Re: Friends? We're not friends
« on: November 12, 2016, 06:21:17 PM »
MEME

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Gaming / Re: Doing a survey about Halo 5 for a class project.
« on: November 12, 2016, 04:02:35 PM »
Done.

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The Flood / Re: Political megathread
« on: November 12, 2016, 03:36:49 PM »
Imperials>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stormclooaks

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I mean, this place is basically /pol/ lite

For all the shit I give Bungle about being terrible with arguments, I wouldn't even begin to try and actually convince anyone here

It's an exercise in futility

Well, you are trying to convince the brickwalls of this forum, and not very well at that.

Anywho it'll be interesting to see what the American left does. Here, Labour had a leader resign, a party leadership vote, a civil war, another party leadership vote (with the same result) and a complete reshuffle of the shadow cabinet, whilst the Lib Dems seemed to have teetered off onto non existence and UKIP rests comfortably in its grave.

Second liberal uprising when?

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The Flood / Re: super retards use lenny face
« on: November 12, 2016, 07:05:45 AM »
I'll play Battlefield sometime. What's your GT?

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Serious / Re: Eight years from now we're going to look back and say...
« on: November 12, 2016, 06:41:17 AM »
Weren't you slamming trump and denouncing him before the result?

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Gaming / Re: Skyrim Remastered looks like dogshit
« on: November 11, 2016, 05:56:09 PM »
Finally got round to picking this up today. Can't wait to play Skyrim again.

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The Flood / Re: Hey DAS!
« on: November 11, 2016, 03:14:21 PM »
My great grandfather died at Normandy while in a Tank.

Man, it felt so good today though. We were doing a two minute silence in class and some dicks decided to try and be funny halfway through, I guess expecting some banter. Everyone else in the class just glared at them for a solid minute and they didn't say anything for the rest of the class.

Feels pretty good man.
Haha yeah, same, but it was during a presentation and it was me who tried to cheer people up by being funny. It ended the same way though.

Yeah but these guys were complaining all morning that they had to sit and not talk for two minutes because they didn't see the point of it. Like, genuinely just being shitty.
I'm glad everyone glared though.

It was pretty good how they expected to start everyone laughing or something and got completely shut down.

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The Flood / Re: Hey DAS!
« on: November 11, 2016, 03:09:31 PM »
My great grandfather died at Normandy while in a Tank.

Man, it felt so good today though. We were doing a two minute silence in class and some dicks decided to try and be funny halfway through, I guess expecting some banter. Everyone else in the class just glared at them for a solid minute and they didn't say anything for the rest of the class.

Feels pretty good man.
Haha yeah, same, but it was during a presentation and it was me who tried to cheer people up by being funny. It ended the same way though.

Yeah but these guys were complaining all morning that they had to sit and not talk for two minutes because they didn't see the point of it. Like, genuinely just being shitty.

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The Flood / Re: Hey DAS!
« on: November 11, 2016, 03:05:22 PM »
My great grandfather died at Normandy while in a Tank.

Man, it felt so good today though. We were doing a two minute silence in class and some dicks decided to try and be funny halfway through, I guess expecting some banter. Everyone else in the class just glared at them for a solid minute and they didn't say anything for the rest of the class.

Feels pretty good man.

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Gaming / Re: Elder Scrolls
« on: November 11, 2016, 02:21:52 PM »
I've played Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim. Morrowind and Skyrim are good but Oblivion was shit.

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The Flood / Re: what a disgusting fucked up society
« on: November 11, 2016, 11:41:16 AM »

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Gaming / Re: Weird glitches
« on: November 10, 2016, 09:46:03 AM »
try and buy period

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The Flood / Re: Art Hub
« on: November 10, 2016, 09:37:20 AM »


One of the Asteroid Tugs I mentioned in my last post.

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While many orbital colonies make their livings mining larger asteroids for their mineral value, digging into the rocks and building their homes inside them, some Earth and Mars-based resource extraction companies prefer to bring the asteroids home as to reduce the costs of flying out, mining and bringing the minerals home. These asteroid tugs have their propulsion mounted in front of their cargo, pulling the habitation module and asteroid behind the vessel. Like Freighters, most Tugs are powered with chemical engines, though they aren't used in quite the same way. To set off from Earth, the tug uses arrays of orbital/ lunar PHALANX laser batteries to propel its solar sail, using the destination's laser arrays to slow the vessel. From here is the lengthy process of mounting the asteroid firmly on the ship, so that it won't break under the stress of acceleration and deceleration. The ship then fills its' fuel tank, and sets off home once again propelled by lasers. However, the difference here is that to decelerate, the more powerful chemical engines are ignited for a long and powerful burn, bringing the ship to a halt in high orbit around the planet in question, where the asteroid is moved to an orbital refinery and the ship prepares to set off again.

Asteroid Tugs utilise Brachistochrone trajectories, meaning they can launch at any time of year as they do not need to wait for planetary alignment. They are also often utilised to tug derelict ships from interplanetary space into orbit for scrapping, and smaller variants are utilised in the Chronian Rings to collect rocks to take to refineries in the orbit of Saturn. Similarly, these ships are utilised within the asteroid belt to bring large rocks into the space around Ceres, where the rocks are then bought/ sold to companies on Earth who use their own tugs to transport the rocks home.

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The Flood / Re: Art Hub
« on: November 10, 2016, 08:46:17 AM »


Concept of a Freighter I intend to model and texture.

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Freighters like these spend the majority of their time split between the long Hohmann Transfer Orbits taking physical cargo between the planets of the Solar system and in dock, recieving maintenance and being outfitted. They are generally equipped only with simple chemical combustion engines as opposed to more advanced Fission and Fusion designs used on starliners and warships, as they are intended to be low-cost vehicles even f that means the cargo they carry takes many months or years to reach its' destination.

Because of the amount of time these vessels are in space, they are almost entirely automated, except for no more than a half-dozen maintenance personnel there to fix anything the on-board maintenance drones cannot, and to act as the human commanding element of a large spacecraft (In keeping with interplanetary regulations on unmanned spacecraft forbidding large and high-mass vessels to be entirely automated). These half-dozen personnel are expected to live in microgravity for extended periods of time even with the addition of a centrifuge for recreation. Despite this, crews rarely have to do much in the way of actually maintaining the ship, meaning vessels must be equipped with recreational facilities to keep crew entertained (Though some also stock cryogenic storage facilities). The pay afforded to crew is initially fairly high, though expenses removed for feeding/ sheltering a crewmember, providing their medical care and other such duties on behalf of the parent company leave the remaining pay fairly meagre. Oftentimes, the crew embarking on such a vessel are merely temporary residents who sign on for a one-way trip to the Outer System's resource extraction facilities and orbital colonies.

As for the cargo carried by the freighters, it largely depends on the destination. Departing from Earth will usually bring luxury foods and items unable to be manufactured in the Jovian and Chronian systems such as meat, chocolate, "real" foods, and so forth, while returning vessels will typically carry advanced polymers synthesised in Titan's hydrocarbon lakes and rare earth metals like Palladium, Gold and Iridium mined in the Asteroids.

Due to the launch windows utilised by these ships every few months (Depending on planetary alignment), flotillas of Freighters, Tankers, Asteroid Tugs, Starliners*, Hydroponics Vessels, Orbital Guard escort frigates and merchant vessels will all travel on a similar trajectory. As such, they rarely travel alone, and the nature of space means that piracy is largely impossible - meaning Freighters can make huge mass savings on weaponry/ defensive systems (Or lack of such). However, at least one crew member will be trained in microgravity combat.

Oh, and if you're wondering why the solar panels are facing away from the sun in the image, it's because they're not solar panels. They're heat radiators. At the end of a burn, they will glow red-hot for days or weeks as they gradually cool.

Also also: there should be two centrifuges but I forgot to add the other. There needs to be two spinning in opposite directions so that they both counteract the other's rotation and stop the vessel as a whole being sent on a wild trajectory. In the model I'll probably make the space between them and the cargo a bit larger so they can fold down when the ship is accelerating/ decelerating.

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The Flood / Re: Go Britain Go
« on: November 10, 2016, 07:29:24 AM »
I never want to hear fucking hold music for a uni ever again after results day

Was it the TOP national anthem

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Gaming / Re: Fallout Megathread
« on: November 10, 2016, 05:52:44 AM »
Happy birthday fallout 4

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The Flood / Re: what a disgusting fucked up society
« on: November 10, 2016, 03:48:07 AM »
So regarding all the rioting and stuff that's going on in california....



Is it time to Ave yet?

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Gaming / Re: Halo 5 mega thread
« on: November 10, 2016, 03:36:00 AM »
Really? I guess I never get it. If that's the case than mostly just QoL fixes are needed for the MCC.

1. No more issues with the UI
2. Population counts for playlists
3. Veto
4. Consistent updates on playlists and maps
5. DLC if they can do it, I'd love to haver the entire H2 map pool remade for H2A

I haven't touched MCC since I got H5, is it still very active? I know some of the more niche playlists like H4 didn't have any population during non-peak hours.

dominion shows up a couple of times in btb, and every time it does, i'm usually the only one ptfo. i remember i had 8 captures and the next best score was 2. wat

Several friends of mine (who don't know/ play with each other) all say that they find games easier in MCC now than Halo 5. I never play either so I don't know personally, just what people have told me.

Take that as you will.

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