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3481
« on: January 09, 2015, 12:29:49 AM »
*Eyebrow raising intensifies*
3482
« on: January 09, 2015, 12:09:26 AM »
We have game nights, and need more content for the Sep7agon channel...
So... game nights are part of the channel stuff, right?
And if they're not, would it be feasible to set it up that way?
3483
« on: January 08, 2015, 11:51:36 PM »
Inb4Ossku
3484
« on: January 08, 2015, 08:09:58 PM »
So there's a difference between knowledge and intelligence. How does education support intelligence as it exists? Knowledge?
By providing knowledge at a level in which in compatible with a person's intelligence. That why a one-size-fits-all approach is stupid, because not everybody learns at the same rate or in the same way.
And to what I understand, genius would be the proper application of intelligence and knowledge to excel in a field.
And is excelling a societal or self label? I guess I should ask which is more important in defining yourself as a genius, do you think?
I agree, a one size fits all approach is idiotic, because it fails to account for individual difference. What about standardized tests? Why are they necessary if they approach intelligence by appealing to standards?
I would define "excelling in a field" as performing at a high level (e.g. someone performing in the 98th percentile of their field would be high performance). I wouldn't define it too strictly, because since intelligence itself isn't a fixed point neither can genius. It would have to be a spectrum of highest performance levels.
Standardized testing is also idiotic. All it does it promote memorization vs understanding, or knowing the answer vs knowing why it's the answer. And since understanding lasts longer than strict, short-term memorization, it follows that standardized testing is a failure on two accounts: measuring knowledge learned and providing a solid foundation to further build on. The only best replacement would be to establish an early baseline of intelligence, provide education that fits the results, and monitor progress by providing benchmarks (of which are compared to the individuals previous scores, not at a state or national level) over the rest of the term to further tweak or improve the education of the such said person.
Is there really such thing as intelligence predestination? It seems like a lot of people hold a belief that individuals have set learning potentials, and if it isn't realized early that correlates to less overall intelligence.
3485
« on: January 08, 2015, 08:05:00 PM »
are geniuses naturally endowed with a special understanding of logical or numerical reasoning?
That's why I'd wager it's genetic.
The objective basis of logic and, by extension, mathematics makes it much easier to identify potential geniuses in--say--a physicists' department than an artists' department. I think we're hesitant to even regard people like da Vinci as "artistic geniuses", purely on the basis that we're talking about something aesthetic; da Vinci seems to be a genius because he's a polymath more than anything (which is, of course, a valid enough reason).
I'd argue that our very conception of the idea of a "genius" gives us a bias towards looking among people with this mathematical bent. Calling somebody a "genius" carries a level of objective superiority or adeptness, which seems difficult to justify in things like literature or art--especially in our day and age.
I always wonder how much we know about genetics to ascertain whether an individual is defined genius dominantly by their "nature or nurture."
If Tesla qualifies as a genius, I know he exhibited heightened perceptions, especially hearing (he claimed being able to hear a fly's buzzing a few rooms over) and visualization (being able to recall and project things in such great detail they had lifelike vividness) certainly playing a role in developing his genius. Later in life he was able to utilize visualization to conceptualize inventions. Tesla's father discouraged him reading, yet Tesla made the conscious choice to disobey his father. He had a drive to learn from that point in childhood. However, the thing Tesla thought precipitated his success the most was self mastery, a very high degree of it.
The latter factors seem to suggest motivation for learning was an integral part of Tesla's development and self mastery, more along the notions of nurture, but his inherent visualization seems to suggest this helped him effect inventions for him to be recognized as a genius.
Could it be said that genius is partially tied to world perception and conceptualization, understanding the physical nature of reality, and this is the piece for scientists that has the most direct correlation to inherited genius (in a scientific sense)?
3486
« on: January 08, 2015, 07:30:10 PM »
So there's a difference between knowledge and intelligence. How does education support intelligence as it exists? Knowledge?
By providing knowledge at a level in which in compatible with a person's intelligence. That why a one-size-fits-all approach is stupid, because not everybody learns at the same rate or in the same way.
And to what I understand, genius would be the proper application of intelligence and knowledge to excel in a field.
And is excelling a societal or self label? I guess I should ask which is more important in defining yourself as a genius, do you think?
I agree, a one size fits all approach is idiotic, because it fails to account for individual difference. What about standardized tests? Why are they necessary if they approach intelligence by appealing to standards?
3487
« on: January 08, 2015, 07:19:14 PM »
How do you view cruelty and unfairness?
3488
« on: January 08, 2015, 07:16:14 PM »
Knowledge is owning information.
Intelligence is your ability to employ it.
What is the difference between genius and intelligence, if there is one?
I don't have a decent answer to that.
You'd have a better answer than a lot of people, I'd be willing to say pretty safely.
Does it involve high amount of drive and vision?
3489
« on: January 08, 2015, 07:12:53 PM »
Knowledge is owning information.
Intelligence is your ability to employ it.
What is the difference between genius and intelligence, if there is one?
3490
« on: January 08, 2015, 07:07:57 PM »
it's my understanding that intelligence is usually associated with someone's capacity for learning, which seems reasonable to me.
there's intelligence, which is your ability to learn, retain, and apply information with critical thinking skills. and then, there's learnedness- i'm sure there's a better word for that, but i think you know what i mean. Bobby B might have the same capacity for intelligence as Susie Q, but Bobby B has only read Animal Farm- Susie Q has read both Animal Farm and 1984. Does that necessarily mean that Bobby B is any less intelligent than Susie Q? No, Susie Q just has more learnedness
that exposition didn't really lead anywhere substantive, i think, but the important thing is that intelligence is your capacity to learn and apply information, rather than the sum total of your knowledge.
So there's a difference between knowledge and intelligence. How does education support intelligence as it exists? Knowledge?
3491
« on: January 08, 2015, 07:04:20 PM »
wow i bet this thread is gonna be so deep dude lol xD
Should I have said I had a definition for it initially?
Would that have been better for conversation?
3492
« on: January 08, 2015, 06:55:56 PM »
wow i bet this thread is gonna be so deep dude lol xD
Eh... Not really expecting much.
3493
« on: January 08, 2015, 06:45:23 PM »
I don't really have a definition, and I was curious to see how other people think about it.
I realize this topic has been broached on multiple occasions, and at the expense of being redundant I'd like to do so again. Who knows, maybe someone had an epiphany since the last time and this post makes them recall it (you're welcome).
3494
« on: January 08, 2015, 04:59:13 PM »
You guys ever had a fapathon?
3495
« on: January 08, 2015, 04:38:04 PM »
I just realized I had a dream about cheerios. I am afraid.
3496
« on: January 08, 2015, 05:17:53 AM »
People try to tell me
What they think is right for me
Think there's some value
To what they got to say
But I won't listen to them
Don't need their advice
I wouldn't ever have it
Any other fucking way
Can't tell no one
What to do
Can't tell no one
What to do
Can't tell no one
What to do
Can't tell no one what to do
Rules are made for idiots
People that can't think
I'm treated like I don't
Have a mind of my own
Stupid fucking idiots
With stupid fucking ideals
When will they ever
Fucking leave me alone
Damn. Is that what I really sound like?
sometimes you've gotta go your own way.
Yeah. Wish there were more immortal gurus though.
3498
« on: January 08, 2015, 05:14:33 AM »
People try to tell me
What they think is right for me
Think there's some value
To what they got to say
But I won't listen to them
Don't need their advice
I wouldn't ever have it
Any other fucking way
Can't tell no one
What to do
Can't tell no one
What to do
Can't tell no one
What to do
Can't tell no one what to do
Rules are made for idiots
People that can't think
I'm treated like I don't
Have a mind of my own
Stupid fucking idiots
With stupid fucking ideals
When will they ever
Fucking leave me alone
Damn. Is that what I really sound like?
3500
« on: January 08, 2015, 05:03:00 AM »
Don't talk shit about mangoes
They are fucking delicious.
/opinions
 However, my opinion is the right one...
3501
« on: January 08, 2015, 04:58:37 AM »
Don't talk shit about mangoesThey are fucking delicious.
3502
« on: January 08, 2015, 04:02:49 AM »
Talking to residential pumpkins about my problems.
3503
« on: January 08, 2015, 01:03:30 AM »
Me probs.
3504
« on: January 07, 2015, 11:27:20 PM »
3505
« on: January 07, 2015, 11:17:54 PM »
>tfw you just broke 500
3506
« on: January 07, 2015, 11:05:58 PM »
ITT: Presumptions abound
3507
« on: January 07, 2015, 11:01:21 PM »
 Almost brings something else to mind. Huh.
3508
« on: January 07, 2015, 10:59:34 PM »
*Raises hand*
How do I not derail this one?
Look son, glad you asked. When the Nazis invaded France, it was the best thing.
*Raises hand*
But isn't that you derailing yourself?
....
You're going places, not college, but places.
*Raises hand*
Is that an insinuation that college is an optimal place to be for reaching life potential? By pandering the will of some society that ultimately doesn't give a fuck about who you are as a person, but as a servant to its perpetuation?
Just stop talking
(:
*Raises hand*
Is this solicitation of my unambiguous victory by default?
Edit: Totes victory
3509
« on: January 07, 2015, 10:57:50 PM »
 You sure about that, brother?
3510
« on: January 07, 2015, 10:54:54 PM »
Ryle. The wicked elixir is terrible. For everyone.
Halt your Faygo consumption before it becomes terminal. Please.
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