Quote from: Cup-O on November 30, 2015, 02:14:46 PM

Not necessarily, you don't know that.

We kinda do, though.

Yes, there's still going to be marginal improvements between now and 9th gen through driver optimisations and such, but nothing anywhere near as close to what we saw last gen.

Plus we're at the point of diminishing returns, too.

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343i isn't necessarily going to make a game exactly like Bungie would, because they're not Bungie, and they had to do a lot from scratch, even though they were used the Reach engine on steroids.

Okay?
It's no secret that a lot was sacrificed to gain that level of fidelity. Even then, Halo 4 is pretty ugly in many places. Textures are pretty low quality. AI is retarded. Framerate. Lightning isn't very good. Explosions are low quality and downgraded.
Among other things.
Halo 4 struggled on forge and splitscreen too.

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It still doesn't explain the vast majority of other late-gen 360 games.

lol
Like 70% of those images are bullshots.



This gen isn't anything like last gen. Developers almost know completely what the PS4 and Xbone can do.
They're gimped PCs with weak, outdated, off the shelf hardware, using the same x86 architecture as PCs.
There's no changing this.

>ignoring the perfectly valid argument that 360 graphics have objectively improved over the console's lifespan

The Nvidia 8800/9800 GT released in 2006/2008. Recommended specs for this. Also the recommended specs for this. Meets the minimum requirements for games as recent as this and this.

I think the reason you have to cherrypick apart my own argument, instead of actually producing your own evidence, is that you have none. There is zero precedence for any of the bullshit you're spewing about hardware limitations.

It's not going to look any better for PS4/Xbone games. He does know that because there is such a thing as looking at the hardware in a console.

That logic has never held true for any hardware, ever.

Quote from: Luciana on November 30, 2015, 12:20:51 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on November 30, 2015, 12:16:48 PM

also, fuck 60fps

don't do that

i know you're pent up but please leave the frames out of your lustful fantasies

i'm just saying

it's inconceivable to me how someone would value 60fps over having some form of local multiplayer

Erm, yeah, it's a legitimate question. I was wondering it myself.

I specifically remember 343i pushing the 'competitive' scene for Halo 5, but there's no answers as to how they intend to do that without splitscreen, or LAN at the very least. Competitive communities don't just grow on trees; they need to be cultivated, given the things they need to thrive. (LAN is preferred over the Internet because the Internet is unreliable, and because latency, and because it's easier and cheaper to set up.) MS can't just host major tournaments without minor, local tournaments too. That's not how it works.

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Quote from: Fruitcake on November 30, 2015, 12:24:43 PM

Also... Isn't Halo 5 only 60 fps in a small bubble around you?

Yeah

Enemy animations at distance are 30

Sounds like Dark Souls 2.

It's kinda pathetic that the XB1's first 'proper' exclusive can barely maintain 60fps. The resolution alters when things get hectic to keep a consistent frame rate.

It's not pathetic at all when you realize the hardware was out of date since before it even came out. On both platforms.

The 360 and PS3's potential was far more powerful and greater, and actually ahead on the market (even with PC's) in many cases. Not the fact with Xbone and PS4. I assume due to how much it costs building it, inflation, etc.

Last gen didn't hit its limit until around a decade later. Current gen hit it before it even hit the markets.

That's what I meant. Eight-gen concoles are hilariously underpowered.

Ehhhh

It's still early in the console's life span. This used to be considered good graphics. If you took Halo 4 into a time machine, and showed it to people in 2005, no one would have believed that it would be an Xbox 360 game.

You're both talking out of your asses.

I cant engrish well

you are dishonor to famiry

Quote from: Cup-O on November 30, 2015, 12:30:24 AM

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I'm unconvinced 343 didn't just use the "Pacing content" excuse as a way to weasel out of admitting that their game was, again, unfinished. This game shouldn't have been released until all of the staple features were properly implemented. Forge should've been in this game from day one, and the same goes for the rest of the custom game options. Their absence discouraged a lot of people from continuing to play the game, including myself.

It's kinda weird, but it has crossed my mind that maybe the game really is *that* unfinished.

But my main thinking here is that Microsoft is horrifically afraid of yet another situation where the player base dies off quickly and never recovers. Halo's their flagship game series, and that sort of situation has happened for two games now, H4 and MCC. A third failure is not only embarrassing, but could be seen as a damning sign that Halo is a dying series, and 343i will never repeat what Bungie did. Halo 5 dying off like its recent predecessors would be a pretty devastating failure.

It's already struggling to stay in the top 10 most played XBL titles. Last time I checked, the only games below it were CODAW and Fifa 15.

Ugh :[

OT: RNG wouldn't feel so bad if so many unlocks didn't feel redundant--ie, three versions of the same armor with different paint schemes, a shit-ton of visors.

I've been getting Silver REQs religiously and I'm starting to get more starting weapon variations and Rare permanent REQs.

IIRC the problem with DMR REQs is that the most basic DMR is an Ultra Rare.

I'm unconvinced 343 didn't just use the "Pacing content" excuse as a way to weasel out of admitting that their game was, again, unfinished. This game shouldn't have been released until all of the staple features were properly implemented. Forge should've been in this game from day one, and the same goes for the rest of the custom game options. Their absence discouraged a lot of people from continuing to play the game, including myself.

It's kinda weird, but it has crossed my mind that maybe the game really is *that* unfinished.

But my main thinking here is that Microsoft is horrifically afraid of yet another situation where the player base dies off quickly and never recovers. Halo's their flagship game series, and that sort of situation has happened for two games now, H4 and MCC. A third failure is not only embarrassing, but could be seen as a damning sign that Halo is a dying series, and 343i will never repeat what Bungie did. Halo 5 dying off like its recent predecessors would be a pretty devastating failure.

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Quote from: Cup-O on November 28, 2015, 08:54:34 PM

hmm

too bad beer tastes like piss though

There are good beers though. Just ignore the people who buy Bud Light. I personally have a coffee beer I'm partial to. Get it every time I go to the pizza joint that has it.

Quote from: Cup-O on November 28, 2015, 08:54:34 PM

hmm

too bad beer tastes like piss though

can't blame you for saying that if all you've tried is bud light or any other similar macrobrew

the beer in my OP tastes almost exactly like root beer, far from what i'd consider to be a piss flavor

Yeah like seriously though, I have yet to try not-piss beer. Every time I go to a restaurant and the waiter/waitress 'recommends' a beer, not even my parents like it. Eugh.

hmm

too bad beer tastes like piss though