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Serious / Reports: ISIS committing ethnic cleansing and genocide in Iraq
« on: August 14, 2015, 05:41:48 PM »
Amnesty International released a report accusing ISIS of committing an ethnic cleansing in Iraq. The United Nations agreed with that assertion at the time.

Several months later, the UN released its own report, this time accusing ISIS of genocide.

This may come as little surprise considering that Saddam Hussein's former operatives are helming ISIS and would likely share a similar agenda.

This all begs the the question: Just what has the Iraq War accomplished? It's cost over $2 trillion, and has claimed the lives of nearly 4,500 US troops and left over 32,000 troops injured (which itself is a significant burden, costing the US around $134.7 billion as of 2013, and will continue to increase for the rest of their lives), and about 134,000 Iraqi civilian deaths, all just to get one guy--although his followers and successors are continuing a similar agenda beyond his death.

When we get past the fearmongering, the lies and coverups of WMDs, and the premature declarations of victory, the only justification left seems to be ending the human rights abuses of a morally bankrupt dictatorship. Presenting this argument as the primary rationale for the invasion is revisionist at best, as the supporters of the war only resorted to that argument when all the others failed to withstand scrutiny. But either way, in retrospect, it seems to have been for naught, because it seems as if the human rights situation in Iraq has only regressed since Saddam's ouster. ISIS comes across as a bit more unhinged than the Hussein administration ever was.

(Even if the situation were looking better, the human rights argument in this context would still be logically problematic, given that there were other abuses taking place too, but only Iraq got any mentionable amount of attention from the West.)

The US will be tied to ensuring stability in the Middle East for years to come--what has the war actually accomplished that isn't invalidated by the aftermath?

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The Flood / ok fine
« on: August 14, 2015, 05:40:32 PM »
i said i wouldn't be back so this is a little awkward

one last time though, maybe

unrelated:


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The Flood / Funny faces thread
« on: March 26, 2015, 01:42:31 PM »
T4R







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This turns into a bit of a rant at the end, but stay with me >.>

Politicians accept correspondence (letters and email, etc) from their constituents (the people, specifically voters in the politician's jurisdiction) to get an idea of what they want, to help them navigate the many departments of government, and to expedite their cases. In the latter instances, personal information is sometimes necessary, including name, address, phone number, and Social Security number. There is a legally binding document signed by the constituent to ensure that the office does not share this information with any third parties, lest the office be held accountable. These correspondences can be of a very sensitive nature, so the guarantee of privacy is an important one.

Jeb Bush fucked that all to hell.

In an attempt to one-up Hillary Clinton, currently defending herself from her personal email server controversy, the former Florida governor released email correspondence from his time in office.

What makes this so completely incompetent is that his office did not redact a single piece of information from these correspondences... whatsoever. And that's a huge problem.

(Follow the link for the pictures)
http://www.theverge.com/2015/2/10/8013531/jeb-bush-florida-email-dump-privacy

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Jeb Bush dumps emails including social security numbers of Florida residents online

Florida man strikes again

Jeb Bush, a rumored 2016 Republican presidential candidate, just decided to publish hundreds of thousands of emails sent to him during his time as governor of Florida. On its face it seems like a great idea in the name of transparency, but there's one huge problem: neither Bush nor those who facilitated the publication of the records, including the state government, decided to redact potentially sensitive personal information from them.

"In the spirit of transparency, I am posting the emails of my governorship here," a note on Bush's website says. "Some are funny; some are serious; some I wrote in frustration." Some also contain the email addresses, home addresses, phone numbers, and social security numbers of Florida residents. The emails are available in Outlook format, and can be searched on the web at Bush's website.

The Verge did not receive a response from Mr. Bush or his Political Action Committee's office at the time of publication.

"In the spirit of transparency, I am posting the emails of my governorship."

We reviewed many of the emails released by Bush, and found a wide variety of communications — everything from religious parables, to praise of the governor's support of creationism, to routine bureaucratic correspondence. But some of the emails appear to be highly sensitive or personal. Many, like the one excerpted below, share tales of personal struggle or sorrow.

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This is just a sharing...today..i feel beaten down... ... want to help many and hope I can get there some day....through my empowerment it will be a testament to my message and the ability to share my future resources...its a lonely road...so many seem actively against you...your back is to the wall...you have many another two months of business survival...

P.S. this is just sharing with a friend... please no action or follow-up or any communications or assistance sought of nay kind...its my struggle to work through and find a way...just feeling "beaten" today...at 37 I feel like 60 today :) .....and tomorrow will be better.

Confidential communications intended for indicated recipient only

Other emails include potentially sensitive details about government operations. One email reviewed by The Verge discussed termination of a Florida Lottery employee; the email revealed the reasons for his termination, including "conduct unbecoming a public employee, insubordination, and neglect of duty." The employee had emailed then-governor Bush to appeal for reinstatement. Bush followed up with a lottery official to see if his request could be granted.

Some include personal appeals from citizens with medical or employment issues. And a subset of these messages contain sensitive data like social security numbers, as in the email shown below. (The redactions are our own.)

Another email, sent on behalf of a healthcare representative and shown below, contains information about a child with a life-threatening medical condition. The email exposes the child and mother's name, the mother's home state and phone number, her social security number, and her healthcare identification number.
     
Florida's freedom of information laws are very broad. As Bush notes in the signature of many of his emails, "Florida has a very broad public records law," and "your email communications may therefore be subject to public disclosure."  However, social security numbers in particular are protected. As Florida private attorney Richard A. Harrison tells The Verge, social security numbers are "both confidential and exempt" from public disclosure under state law. "They can be released only for the limited purposes specified in that section, of which this is not one," Harrison says. "It doesn't matter how an agency or official obtained the information; once obtained it is a public record and the SSNs are confidential and exempt under the law." But that doesn't mean the former governor is legally responsible for the data leak. Harrison says the state's legal custodian of records is charged with ensuring no confidential or exempt information is released.

Under Florida law, that custodian might get off with just a scratch. Violation of the public records statute in this circumstance is considered a "noncriminal infraction" that's punishable by a fine "not exceeding $500." Someone who knowingly or willfully violates the privacy law is subject to harsher penalties — but it might be pretty easy to avoid those given the immense size of the records.

Jeb Bush's camp was quick to shift blame to the state. Kristy Campbell, a spokesperson for Bush, told BuzzFeed News that the release is "an exact replica of the public records on file with the Florida Department of State and are available at anyone's request under Chapter 119 sunshine laws." Of course, that statement isn't entirely true, since social security numbers are definitely exempt (and confidential) under that same chapter of the law.

Social Security Numbers are both confidential and exempt from disclosure under Florida law
Many of the same emails Bush released today may have already been available online as of December, 2014, thanks to a request made by the Florida Center for Investigative Reporting. Some publications, including The Washington Post and The Hill, combed the email records for policy insight, but did not appear to stumble upon sensitive personal information.

Obviously one of the lessons here is that you shouldn't email information to public officials that you want to keep private, at least not in Florida. But even if most of these emails are broadly subject to disclosure under the state's sunshine law, it's concerning that such a huge, indiscriminate data dump could include so much personal information. "Emails that bear on public decisions should be made public, but certainly emails with social security numbers or private medical information are not relevant to that," Bruce Jacob, a constitutional and criminal law professor at Florida's Stetson University told The Verge. "It's hard to imagine a court finding a persona guilty of a crime if it was a mistake, but certainly this is not a good thing for private information of that kind to be released."

At minimum, the data dump shows a serious ignorance of the volume of sensitive information in the records and a carelessness about their disclosure. And while a Florida bureaucrat may ultimately be to blame, it's not a good look for Jeb Bush — someone who called himself the first "eGovernor," and a man who may want to sit in the White House.

Update, 3:10 PM: This story has been updated to include additional emails from the archive, as well as prior reports on the archive from December, 2014.

Update, 3:22 PM: Updated with a statement by a spokesperson for Jeb Bush.

Update, 3:53 PM: Time reporter Zeke Miller, reporting from a Q&A with Jeb Bush, reported on Twitter that Bush is now aware of the personal information in the email dump, and that it will be removed. Miller reports that Bush's PAC posted only what is already in the public record, echoing the statement given by Bush's spokesperson to BuzzFeed News. We're not sure how long that will take, or if Bush's PAC will take down the emails temporarily in the meantime (it will presumably take a while to scan through hundreds of thousands of emails), but we'll keep you updated.
 
Update, 5:35 PM: Researchers are now poring over the email dump for personal information. It appears Bush's team, and perhaps Florida state government, will have lots of work to do if they want to purge the data from the records — and some explaining about how this happened. It's more than a few bits of personal information.
 
Update, 11:00PM: The raw .pst files have now been removed from Jeb Bush's site. "We were informed that some personal information was available in the raw data so we removed these files," reads an error message. "You may still read these emails on the email calendar link, where we have redacted personal information we have been able to locate."

While the data is off Bush's site now, the damage has already been done, because it's already out there on the Internet. Keep in mind, this is a candidate who also supports the NSA's mass surveillance programs--though he seems to have great difficulty grasping the concept of privacy, or he just doesn't care.

On a related note, Ted Cruz's campaign also seems to be technologically illiterate, unable to prevent the most basic of mishaps. Is he not aware of whitehouse.com? Watching the GOP in 2016 could be like watching a grandparent learn how to use a computer for the first time... except that grandparent is also your tech support.

Don't get me wrong, I feel sorry for the Jeb Bush emailers--he violated their trust and screwed them over while doing so, all for political gain. It'll just be humorous, though, to watch the GOP (metaphorically) shoot themselves in the foot again.

Is there any question now that Jeb Bush is not qualified to be president (along with Hillary)?

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The Flood / "Football players are dumb idiots"
« on: March 23, 2015, 11:08:45 PM »
That moment when you realize this guy:
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Earned his degree in math in three years, graduated with a master’s degree in math in one year, and is working on a second master’s in math education, while maintaining a 4.0 GPA...Served as the student marshal for mathematics majors at the 2012 spring commencement.

Wrote this paper.

RIP in peace my brain


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Gaming / Wanting to play KOTOR II for the first time
« on: March 21, 2015, 07:52:55 PM »
Well, technically not the first time--I played a few years ago, but I never got very far, and I've forgotten most of it past Peragus II, so it would mostly be like the first time all over again.

I bought the game for ultra-cheap on Steam a few years ago, and I'm looking to play it again now that I'm older and would appreciate it more.

tl;dr But I wanted to know: should I play it with the restoration mods installed? IE, the Restored Content Mod and maybe the M4-78 mod. I want the best experience for (essentially) my first playthrough, yada yada help me, only hope, you know the deal.

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The Flood / With this thread, I now have 3,000 posts
« on: March 17, 2015, 11:23:47 AM »
I need a nameplate.


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Gaming / GTA V Heists team? (X360)
« on: March 14, 2015, 06:42:24 PM »
The randoms in GTA Online are baddies who keep dying or quitting and they're just REALLY unreliable. So I wanted to know if anybody from Sep7agon wanted to play some heists.

I know I've seen Gatsby play some but I've never been online at the same time >.>

So... anyone wanna make bank?

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Gaming / Halo: Reach game night (GET OVER HERE)
« on: March 11, 2015, 02:18:02 PM »
Ayy I was thinking of hosting another Halo: Reach game night on Friday, how many of you are interested?

7pm EST as usual

8 confirmed, 3 maybes and counting!  8)

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>.> I meant to announce it earlier this week but I got sidetracked.

The last game night was tons of fun, and I can't wait to do another one.

Time would probably be 7pm like last time, but that's negotiable. I know Flee couldn't make it last time because it was 1 in the morning for him, and I felt a little bad about that >.>

Alright, sign up!

~~~

EDIT: holy shit this is a lot of people >.> Just let me know if I forgot to put you on the list.

ATTENDEES:

Kupo
Gatsby
CK97
Tackelberry
The Lord Ruler
Jet Wave
Simseo
Luis


MAYBES:

Sandtrap
Atticus
Lemon

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The Flood / Why are old people so goddamn dense with computers?
« on: March 10, 2015, 09:25:08 PM »
You see this?

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This is a typewriter. It's been around for a really, really long time. My grandma used to own a typewriter to type up my mom's school reports. Also, notice the layout. It was the basis for this:

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But give it to my grandma, and she'll act like it looks like this:

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WTF is up with old people not understanding computers?

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The Flood / Why is Brian Griffin an atheist
« on: March 08, 2015, 10:56:27 PM »
If he's met Jesus multiple times?

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#showerthoughts

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The Flood / Can Cheat report his own posts?
« on: March 04, 2015, 03:58:36 PM »
What if Cheat went rampant and needed to be put in time out? How would Cheat report himself without his own report button?

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The Flood / I think Cowboy BeBop is a pretty cool guy
« on: March 02, 2015, 11:09:39 PM »
eh has a boy's name and doesn't afraid of antying



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can we get a Pretty Cool Guy thread up in here?

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The Flood / Can Cheat like his own posts?
« on: March 02, 2015, 02:14:26 PM »
If Cheat is truly omnipotent, then surely he can like his own posts.

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Serious / One way to manipulate elections: redistricting
« on: March 02, 2015, 09:50:09 AM »
One problem in US elections is that every so often, the major parties engage in something called redistricting, which is essentially redrawing the district lines in a state to make it easier to win elections.

Arizona's redistricting issue has gone nuclear. There had been an independent commission set up to handle the drawing of districts instead of elected officials doing so. But Arizonan Republicans and the ever-insane Jan Brewer didn't like that, and decided to do away with the commission.

Now the issue is heading to the Supreme Court... and it's not looking good. Simply put, there doesn't seem to be any constitutional basis for independent commissions doing the work of the legislature.

It's the kind of thing that would likely have to be resolved through an amendment to the Constitution, but seeing as both major parties depend on this practice to get elected, it's unlikely to ever change.

http://www.npr.org/2015/03/02/389573352/supreme-court-to-weigh-power-of-redistricting-commissions

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Take a look at a congressional district map, and it can look like a madman's jigsaw puzzle. The reason is, in part, that the district lines are drawn by state legislators seeking to maximize partisan advantage. It's a process that critics say is responsible for much that's wrong with Washington.

That's why some states have tried setting up independent commissions to draw the map. Arizona voters created such a commission in 2000. But when the commission chair displeased the governor and state Senate, they tried, unsuccessfully, to remove her.

The power of the commission to draw district lines has now reached the U.S. Supreme Court, which could hand that power back to the legislators in Arizona, California, and a dozen other states.

Although the Supreme Court has viewed partisan gerrymandering of legislative districts as a bad practice that deprives citizens of fair representation, the court has also thrown up its hands when it comes to policing the practice. The reason is simple: the justices have been unable to come up with neutral and judicially-manageable rules for drawing electoral boundaries. So, in recent years, some states have been experimenting with independent commissions.

The commissions vary in form and in how much influence they allow incumbents to have in drawing their own districts.

Arizona's independent commission presents the test case before the Supreme Court on Monday. Fifteen years ago the state's voters overwhelmingly approved a referendum that amended the state constitution to put the decennial redistricting in the hands of an independent, five-person commission. Two of the commissioners were to be Republicans, two Democrats, and the commission's chair was to be an Independent.

In a state with 35 percent registered Republicans, 35 percent Independents, and 30 percent Democrats, the congressional map the commission drew after the 2010 census had four safe Republican seats, two safe Democratic seats, and three competitive districts.

"Some of the most competitive races in the country are in Arizona now, and I attribute that directly to the commission's work," says Commission Chair Colleen Coyle Mathis.

Even before the map was completed, however, the Republican who was governor, Jan Brewer, fired Mathis, backed by a vote of the Republicans in the state Senate, who had a two-thirds majority.

The controversy ended up in the Arizona Supreme Court, which held a hearing and took just two hours to overrule the firing. The unanimous ruling was that there was no sufficient cause for removing Mathis as chair.

Having failed to block the commission's work that way, Republican state officials went to federal court, to challenge the commission as unconstitutional. Their appeal has now reached the U.S. Supreme Court.

At the heart of the case is the Elections Clause of the Constitution, which says that the "times, places and manner of holding elections" for Congress "shall be prescribed in each state by the legislature thereof."

Those words resolve the issue, says former U.S. Solicitor General Paul Clement, now representing the Arizona State Legislature in the Supreme Court.

"We make the radical claim that when the Framers used the word 'legislature' they meant the word 'legislature,'" says Clement.

Not so, says former Solicitor General Ted Olson. He contends that the founding fathers were "actually very suspicious" of state legislatures and wanted to have "the people" hold the ultimate power over legislatures.
"We looked back at the definition of 'legislature' at the time the Constitution was written and it didn't mean a particular body, it meant the entity or collection of individuals that made the law," says Olson. And that includes the people in Arizona who created the commission there.

Olson and Clement served, one after the other, as the top legal advocate in the George W. Bush administration. But in this case they are on opposite sides.

Olson filed a friend-of-the-court brief on behalf of Republican former governors of California who pushed for the creation of that state's independent commission. He argues that leaving redistricting to the legislature means that in the age of computers, the party in power can manipulate the drawing of district lines to be "whatever they want it to be." And the result is self-perpetuating, polarized districts, where incumbents are guaranteed re-election and are accountable only to the extremes of their party to fend off primary challenges.

The Framers, he argues, wanted the people to be able to extricate themselves from this sort of gridlock, to experiment and have wide authority over the election process.

"What California and Arizona have done," says Olson, "is simply to try to fulfill the goals of the Framers to make a system where our elections are reasonably competitive, and that the people then have a choice and aren't boxed in to one particular party or the another."

Clement counters that the Framers did not believe in direct democracy.

"The whole idea of the Constitution was that we're going to form a republican government, that we can't have direct democracy," he contends. "They didn't give this authority to the people at large, they gave it specifically to the state legislature."

Olson rebuts that proposition, pointing to the second part of the Constitution's Elections Clause. That clause gives Congress the power to make laws to alter state election regulations.

And Congress, he maintains, did just that in the early 20th century when it adopted a statute allowing states to be redistricted by referendum instead of by the legislature.

That statute, as amended, permits redistricting "as prescribed by the law of the state." And the law in the state of Arizona, he argues, is the state constitutional amendment enacted by referendum giving the power to redistrict to an independent commission.

Clement dismisses that argument, calling it "just a red herring."

"The one thing the second Clause doesn't give Congress is the ability to rewrite the first Clause," he says. "It's not the people who will formulate these election maps in Arizona. It's five unelected state officials as part of this commission."

Indeed, Arizona's state Senate President Andy Biggs complains that the Independent Redistricting Commission leaves the state legislature all but impotent in the redistricting process.

"We're just totally irrelevant to the process other than at the beginning where you have slight participation," says Biggs, referring to the legislature's mandate to pick commissioners from a slate of vetted candidates.

Of course, the legislature does have the power to put the redistricting commission on the ballot again to get it repealed. But Biggs confesses that effort would likely be futile. So what would he tell the voters who seem to like the Independent Redistricting Commission?

"I would tell them, 'I understand your cynicism and skepticism, but the reality is the U.S. Constitution says that the legislature's supposed to draw the congressional lines,'" he says.

Now the Supreme Court will decide whose reading of the Constitution will prevail.

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The Flood / I would like to join the Sep7agon web development team
« on: February 27, 2015, 04:01:30 PM »
Here's my resume. Please make sure to read the entire web page as you consider me for a position.

Thank you
Kupo

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Serious / Does the 'liberal bias' actually exist?
« on: February 26, 2015, 01:46:39 PM »
EDIT: oh god this sounds so much like a Dustin post

One popular GOP talking point is that the news and media in general has a leftward slant--is this actually a thing, or are they just being delusional citizens of Republicantown? Even Wikipedia and Snopes have been accused of being liberal.

My gut reaction is that "it's not biased if it's true," and I think of Stephen Colbert's one-liner, "the truth has a well-known liberal bias."

...Is it actually a thing?

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Serious / FCC to vote on net neutrality today
« on: February 26, 2015, 10:53:42 AM »
The meeting started over an hour ago, but you can watch it live here. This is the big day we've all been waiting for.

If the FCC chooses Title II Classification, the ruling will likely withstand any legal challenge brought against it. But at any rate (hue), even if the FCC votes against it, it already raised the definition of broadband to 25-megabits per second as kind of a fuck-you to the industry.

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Later this morning, the Federal Communications Commission will take a vote on adopting new rules that would keep the Internet neutral.   Here's a guide to what all of this means.

— What does net neutrality mean?


Here's the Cliffs Notes version from NPR's Elise Hu:

Net neutrality is the concept that your Internet provider should be a neutral gateway to everything on the Internet, not a gatekeeper deciding to load some sites slower than others or impose fees for faster service."

In other words, it's a concept in which Internet service providers (ISPs) don't discriminate when it comes to Internet traffic.

Without net neutrality rules, ISPs could theoretically take money from companies like Netflix or Amazon to speed up traffic to their sites.

NPR's Laura Sydell explained one hypothetical like this:

"More than 30 percent of Internet traffic at peak times comes from Netflix, according to studies. So Verizon might say, 'Netflix, you need to pay us more.' Or maybe Verizon strikes a deal with Amazon and says your prime video service can get speedier delivery to the home and we're going to slow down Netflix."

— What is the FCC voting on?

The Federal Communications Commission is voting on whether to reclassify broadband access as a "telecommunications service under Title II."

In layman's terms, the FCC is looking to reclassify broadband as a utility, which would give the commission more regulatory power over Internet providers.

— What prompted this FCC vote?


Back in 2010, the FCC actually passed rules to keep the Internet neutral. But those rules were challenged by Verizon and in January of 2014, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit ruled that the FCC did not have the regulatory power over broadband to issue those rules.

The court, however, said that the FCC could reclassify broadband and that would give it broad regulatory powers.

FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler decided to go that direction in February.

Earlier this week, Republicans in Congress dropped opposition to the proposed rules, saying they were not going to pass a bill without any Democratic support.

— What would the proposed rules do?


The proposed rules are pretty lengthy, but from an FCC fact sheet, here are the three things that the rules would ban that matter most to consumers:

"No Blocking: broadband providers may not block access to legal content, applications, services, or non-harmful devices.

"No Throttling: broadband providers may not impair or degrade lawful Internet traffic on the basis of content, applications, services, or non-harmful devices.

"No Paid Prioritization: broadband providers may not favor some lawful Internet traffic over other lawful traffic in exchange for consideration — in other words, no 'fast lanes.' This rule also bans ISPs from prioritizing content and services of their affiliates."

— What does John Oliver have to do with all this?


The comedian John Oliver brought this issue to the forefront when he dedicated 14 minutes on his program to explain why net neutrality is so important.

YouTube


He called on his viewers to write to the FCC to encourage them to adopt new rules. His call — and the enormous response — broke the commission's website.

A bunch of big Internet sites — Netflix, Etsy and Foursquare among them — joined the chorus in September when they took part in "Internet Slowdown Day," presenting their users with symbolic loading icons "to remind everyone what an Internet without net neutrality would look like."

— When is the FCC voting?


The FCC is voting during an open meeting at 10:30 a.m. ET.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/02/26/389089145/the-fccs-net-neutrality-vote-heres-what-you-need-to-know

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Gaming / Smash Bros. Webm thread
« on: February 24, 2015, 10:27:27 AM »
[webm]i.4cdn.org/v/1424775050516.webm[/webm]

[webm]giant.gfycat.com/UnknownMindlessAlbacoretuna.webm[/webm]

[webm]giant.gfycat.com/BoilingBabyishAphid.webm[/webm]

[webm]zippy.gfycat.com/FlimsyDisgustingAntelopegroundsquirrel.webm[/webm]

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The Flood / I like jizz
« on: February 20, 2015, 09:16:44 AM »
music.
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Jizz was an upbeat, swinging genre of music, most notably performed by Figrin D'an and the Modal Nodes and the Max Rebo Band. Subgenres of jizz included the styles of jizz-wail, aubade, and glitz. Also, jatz was slightly similar to jizz.
Other notable jizz bands included Bobolo Baker's All-Bith Band, Evar Orbus and His Galactic Jizz-Wailers, Hutt, Figrin D'an II and the New Modal Nodes, and The Sozzenels.
The Max Rebo Band is one of my favorite artists for their contributions to the music, and also because they're still canon.

Here's an example of their work:

YouTube


Jizz really is a form of art.

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Serious / Logical conflict between religion and social movements?
« on: February 19, 2015, 10:28:38 AM »
My mother is both a Catholic and a feminist. I never understood this, because it seems like they're contradictory positions to hold. One advocates for the equal rights of women, and the other:
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A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.
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Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
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Then they can urge the younger women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.
Both ideologies seem diametrically opposed to each other.

This doesn't just go for feminism, but for gay rights too:
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You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.
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If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.
And then there's the folks who basically lie for a living giving speeches about how vaguer statements about 'love' and whatnot somehow make the above statements irrelevant. Sorry, but this isn't your shitty Star Wars canon, you can't just retcon the inconvenient parts because you feel like it.

How does one hold both viewpoints without cherrypicking only the parts they support?

EDIT: I forgot to mention that this isn't strictly about women's rights or gay rights and the Catholic Bible, but those were just the first ideas off the top of my head. >.>

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The Flood / If the mods don't lock this shitpost, they're incompetent
« on: February 17, 2015, 10:40:16 AM »
But if they do lock it, they're -godwinslaw!-

Decisions, decisions. Either way, the mods are wrong and we're right, so there.

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Gaming / Halo: Reach game night (DONE)
« on: February 13, 2015, 07:58:02 PM »
FINAL UPDATE: Both game nights were a success! Got a lot of people for both. I want to do another one eventually, but the question now is when.

Thanks to everyone for attending!

~~~

Original post:

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In the event that you have mistakenly reached this thread in search of the MCC event, see here.

Due to an apparent stalemate, we've decided to arrange a Halo: Reach game night separate from whatever AngryBrute and Rocketman decide to do  :P

Pick a day, any day. An actual date is yet to be determined, but suggestions are always welcome. I'll add you to the list when you can confirm that you'll make it.

We'll probably decide the gametype and such when it actually happens, so don't worry about that for now >.>

(P.S.: I'll post my GT here shortly once I've cleaned out my friends list. I'll invite you when the time comes.)

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Serious / Net neutrality fight dials up to 11
« on: February 12, 2015, 11:32:15 PM »
I hope everyone groaned at my title pun  :P

In a few weeks, the Federal Communications Commission is set to vote on net neutrality, the principle that all Internet traffic be treated equally. FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler has indicated that he will opt for Title II classification, which would label the Internet as a utility. It's a marked shift from his previous 'fast-lane' position.

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After more than a decade of debate and a record-setting proceeding that attracted nearly 4 million public comments, the time to settle the Net Neutrality question has arrived. This week, I will circulate to the members of the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) proposed new rules to preserve the internet as an open platform for innovation and free expression. This proposal is rooted in long-standing regulatory principles, marketplace experience, and public input received over the last several months.
   
Broadband network operators have an understandable motivation to manage their network to maximize their business interests. But their actions may not always be optimal for network users. The Congress gave the FCC broad authority to update its rules to reflect changes in technology and marketplace behavior in a way that protects consumers. Over the years, the Commission has used this authority to the public’s great benefit.
   
The internet wouldn’t have emerged as it did, for instance, if the FCC hadn’t mandated open access for network equipment in the late 1960s. Before then, AT&T prohibited anyone from attaching non-AT&T equipment to the network. The modems that enabled the internet were usable only because the FCC required the network to be open.   

Companies such as AOL were able to grow in the early days of home computing because these modems gave them access to the open telephone network.

I personally learned the importance of open networks the hard way. In the mid-1980s I was president of a startup, NABU: The Home Computer Network. My company was using new technology to deliver high-speed data to home computers over cable television lines. Across town Steve Case was starting what became AOL. NABU was delivering service at the then-blazing speed of 1.5 megabits per second—hundreds of times faster than Case’s company. “We used to worry about you a lot,” Case told me years later.

But NABU went broke while AOL became very successful. Why that is highlights the fundamental problem with allowing networks to act as gatekeepers.

While delivering better service, NABU had to depend on cable television operators granting access to their systems. Steve Case was not only a brilliant entrepreneur, but he also had access to an unlimited number of customers nationwide who only had to attach a modem to their phone line to receive his service. The phone network was open whereas the cable networks were closed. End of story.

The phone network’s openness did not happen by accident, but by FCC rule. How we precisely deliver that kind of openness for America’s broadband networks has been the subject of a debate over the last several months.

Originally, I believed that the FCC could assure internet openness through a determination of “commercial reasonableness” under Section 706 of the Telecommunications Act of 1996. While a recent court decision seemed to draw a roadmap for using this approach, I became concerned that this relatively new concept might, down the road, be interpreted to mean what is reasonable for commercial interests, not consumers.
That is why I am proposing that the FCC use its Title II authority to implement and enforce open internet protections.

Using this authority, I am submitting to my colleagues the strongest open internet protections ever proposed by the FCC. These enforceable, bright-line rules will ban paid prioritization, and the blocking and throttling of lawful content and services.  I propose to fully apply—for the first time ever—those bright-line rules to mobile broadband. My proposal assures the rights of internet users to go where they want, when they want, and the rights of innovators to introduce new products without asking anyone’s permission.
All of this can be accomplished while encouraging investment in broadband networks. To preserve incentives for broadband operators to invest in their networks, my proposal will modernize Title II, tailoring it for the 21st century, in order to provide returns necessary to construct competitive networks.  For example, there will be no rate regulation, no tariffs, no last-mile unbundling.  Over the last 21 years, the wireless industry has invested almost $300 billion under similar rules, proving that modernized Title II regulation can encourage investment and competition.

Congress wisely gave the FCC the power to update its rules to keep pace with innovation. Under that authority my proposal includes a general conduct rule that can be used to stop new and novel threats to the internet. This means the action we take will be strong enough and flexible enough not only to deal with the realities of today, but also to establish ground rules for the as yet unimagined.

The internet must be fast, fair and open. That is the message I’ve heard from consumers and innovators across this nation. That is the principle that has enabled the internet to become an unprecedented platform for innovation and human expression. And that is the lesson I learned heading a tech startup at the dawn of the internet age.   The proposal I present to the commission will ensure the internet remains open, now and in the future, for all Americans.

Needless to say, the ISP lobby and Republicans aren't too happy about that:

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The finish line for the FCC’s new net neutrality proposal is drawing closer — and Republicans are looking for every avenue to throw up last-minute roadblocks. GOP leaders are mounting a multipronged attack on Chairman Tom Wheeler’s rules, which would tighten regulation of Internet service providers to ensure all Web traffic is treated equally. They’ve launched investigations into alleged White House interference in the FCC process, drafted an alternative and weaker net neutrality bill, complained the agency is drawing up plans behind closed doors — and even used net neutrality as a political rallying cry to supporters.
     
The moves amount to an emerging game plan for how Republicans plan to oppose the net neutrality rules, which have the backing of President Barack Obama. While the FCC’s Democratic majority is expected to approve Wheeler’s proposal at its Feb. 26 meeting, the GOP is doing everything it can to cause a delay — or make the move as politically painful as possible.

“The reason you’re seeing so much activity is because there’s so much fundamentally wrong with what the FCC and the White House is doing to regulate the Internet,” said former Sen. John Sununu (R-N.H.), who now serves as honorary co-chairman of Broadband for America, a nonprofit supported by the telecommunications industry. “On substance, there are fundamental problems with this kind of an over-reaching regulatory approach. In terms of process, there are fundamental problems with the way this has been pursued.”

House Oversight Chairman Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) and Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Chairman Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) have both announced probes into whether the White House improperly influenced the FCC, which is an independent agency.

Obama inserted himself into the debate last fall, calling on the FCC to regulate broadband like a utility — a tough approach ultimately endorsed by Wheeler. While nothing prevents the president from expressing his views, the question of White House influence over the new rules is catnip for both Chaffetz and Johnson, who are new to their committee leadership posts and eager to seize their oversight roles.

“He’s supposed to be an independent agency,” Johnson said in an interview off the Senate floor Tuesday, referring to Wheeler. “We’re trying to find the communications between himself and the White House, his agency and the White House, to see if this really was an independent act.”

Another GOP strategy on net neutrality: legislate.

The party, which previously viewed any net neutrality rules as a solution in search of a problem, has come to the table with a bill that would prevent ISPs from blocking or throttling Web traffic — while also avoiding utility-style rules for broadband and tying the FCC’s hands on regulating the Internet.

Senate Commerce Chairman John Thune (R-S.D.) and his House counterparts Reps. Greg Walden (R-Ore.) and Fred Upton (R-Mich.) are seeking bipartisan support for their measure, which they say provides more solid legal footing and is better able to withstand lawsuits from the telecom industry.

But they’ve had trouble attracting Democrats, who say the bill effectively handcuffs the FCC and is riddled with loopholes that could allow for pay-for-play online “fast lanes.”

On another front, GOP lawmakers are increasingly making an issue out of transparency, chiding the FCC for not releasing Wheeler’s plan for public debate prior to the agency’s vote. And they’re getting an assist from the FCC’s senior Republican, Ajit Pai.

Pai drew attention last week for tweeting a photo of himself with a printout of the Wheeler net neutrality proposal, saying, “I wish the public could see what’s inside.” At a press conference Tuesday, Pai — who spoke at the FCC dais where the chairman presides over agency meetings — lambasted the rules and repeatedly called on Wheeler to fully reveal what he termed “the president’s plan.”

“The American people are being misled about President Obama’s plan to regulate the Internet,” the commissioner said. “Last week’s carefully stage-managed rollout was designed to downplay the plan’s massive intrusion into the Internet economy and to shield many critical details from the public.”

FCC officials and Pai, however, have noted the agency traditionally does not allow the publication of items before they’re approved by the commission — and Pai himself refused to release the Wheeler proposal.

As the net neutrality debate generates national headlines, Republicans like Sen. Mike Lee have also begun to use the traditionally wonky issue to rile up their base.

Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) sent an email to political supporters likening Wheeler’s plan to Internet censorship in Turkey and Iran and asking for signatures opposing the rules. The subject line of Sasse’s email: “Putin and Obama in charge of the Internet?”

The message is hyperbole — Wheeler’s proposal wouldn’t give the FCC control over Internet content — but it underscores how much Republicans are opposed to new forms of what they call government over-regulation.

“People on the right and in the middle are finally understanding that this debate isn’t really about ‘net neutrality’ at all,” said Berin Szoka, president of TechFreedom, a conservative think tank.



My thoughts on the matter:

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*sigh* This is going to be a hard fight that'll last long after this month's vote. On the bright side, Republicans will probably never get anything signed into law as long as the president would veto it. But... the GOP has gone off the deep end on this. I can't think of a better way of alienating the youth vote, other than marriage equality.

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The Flood / Spurdo Spärde has been around for years
« on: February 11, 2015, 05:11:44 PM »
Why is it suddenly getting... mainstream?

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Doge took a while to get off the ground, too, I remember.

relephant:


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Serious / Obama asks Congress for war powers against ISIS
« on: February 11, 2015, 09:16:35 AM »
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/obamas-isis-war-powers-request-heads-congress-n304316

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Obama's ISIS War Powers Request Heads to Congress President Barack Obama on Wednesday formally asked lawmakers for a three-year authorization for the use of force against ISIS.

The broad outline sent to Capitol Hill prohibits "enduring offensive ground forces" and limits engagement to three years. The White House hopes that the limitations will assuage the concerns of skeptics on both sides of the aisle who are wary of another conflict in the Middle East, while offering broad enough language to facilitate the demise of the terror organization.   

In a letter accompanying the document, Obama emphasized that the draft proposal "would not authorize long-term, large-scale ground combat operations like those our Nation conducted in Iraq and Afghanistan."

"Local forces, rather than U.S. military forces, should be deployed to conduct such operations," he wrote. "The authorization I propose would provide the flexibility to conduct ground combat operations in other, more limited circumstances, such as rescue operations involving U.S. or coalition personnel or the use of special operations forces to take military action against ISIL leadership."

Congress has not approved such authorization for the use of force since 2002, when George W. Bush pushed for strikes in Iraq.

Senate Democrats were briefed on the plans Tuesday by White House Counsel Neil Eggleston.
Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois said that some Democrats are concerned that the term "enduring offensive ground operations" might be too vague.

"What does it mean, how long, how big is 'enduring'? 'Offensive,' what's 'offensive' when it comes to the Department of Defense? And 'ground operations,' I guess that's a little easier to describe," he told reporters after the briefing. "But we have some legitimate questions about whether we open this up with a loophole that could lead to another major war."

GOP Sen. Bob Corker, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said in a statement that "rigorous hearings" will soon begin "where the administration will have an opportunity to provide Congress and the American people greater clarity on the U.S. strategy to address ISIS, particularly in Syria." 

Virginia Sen. Tim Kaine, a Democrat who has sometimes clashed with the president on war powers issues, said in a statement that he supports the draft measure's repeal of the 2002 authorization and the three-year sunset. "But," he added, "I am concerned about the breadth and vagueness of the U.S. ground troop language and will seek to clarify it."

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The Flood / How do all the boards/links fit into the navbar for admins?
« on: February 09, 2015, 07:04:03 PM »
Let's take a look at all the boards/links the admins have on their navigation bar towards the top:

List
News
Flood
Serious
Gaming
Septagon
Anarchy
HQ

How does it all fit?

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The Flood / Are you cut or uncut?
« on: February 07, 2015, 07:48:19 PM »
Are you this:



Or this:


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The Flood / Do you like me?
« on: February 07, 2015, 07:12:39 PM »
taking a srs poll pls dont hate

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Serious / Why do people give Pope Francis so much credit?
« on: February 06, 2015, 06:14:31 PM »
The press especially likes to make a big deal out of whatever minor thing he decides to do. 'Oh, Pope Francis says "who am I to judge" gay people, look how progressive he is!' Meanwhile, he's still supporting referendums against gay marriage.

What has Pope Francis actually done to warrant such praise? What policies of the church have changed since he became Pope? Just because he's a bit nicer about the shit he says doesn't mean anything different is actually happening in the long run.

Thoughts?

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