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9061
« on: February 28, 2016, 11:31:25 PM »
So I decided to go with the drawing idea, but I need a photo of them for reference. How should I ask for one?
Don't. Stalk them on the internet, find a photo, use that as a basis for the portrait, and then tell them that you drew it from memory. Make sure you make enough differences in the photo from the original as to not draw suspicion.
9062
« on: February 28, 2016, 11:24:19 PM »
You follow efilism, but you haven't killed yourself.
K. Suicide is immoral.
9063
« on: February 28, 2016, 11:23:04 PM »
tbqh fam anything i have to turn my brain off to enjoy is probably not worth enjoying
9064
« on: February 28, 2016, 11:21:47 PM »
Verb can you explain to me why nihilism is bad
I'm not in support of it in any way, but I feel like I don't understand enough to support anti-nihilistic views and would like to learn
Thx Nihilists believe nothing matters in the universe. A baby could be stabbed to death with an Arby's spork until its guts hang out of its brain, and it wouldn't matter. I think that effectively explains why he's so adamantly against it.
9065
« on: February 28, 2016, 11:16:45 PM »
I imagine it's actually pretty frightening for those involved.
9066
« on: February 28, 2016, 11:15:50 PM »
You can start helping with that by killing yourself! Suicide is immoral.
9067
« on: February 28, 2016, 11:07:42 PM »
Oh yeah, efilism is considered edgy. I sometimes forget that I'm a fedora-tipping edge-lord, sorry.
9068
« on: February 28, 2016, 11:04:25 PM »
Fucking up ecosystems = a good thing
gg No, life not existing = a good thing.
9069
« on: February 28, 2016, 11:02:48 PM »
You won't be saying that when the coastlines begin to flood and species go extinct faster than they are now. A species going extinct is ultimately a good thing.
9070
« on: February 28, 2016, 11:00:41 PM »
Good morals come from understanding, not from obeying.
God or not, you obey.
9071
« on: February 28, 2016, 10:58:39 PM »
Leo needed to shut up about fucking climate change.
9072
« on: February 28, 2016, 10:50:10 PM »
Christianity focuses on the relationship of an individual with God. This is especially apparent in comparison to its predecessor Judaism, which has an emphasis on the relationship between a people and God.
The Old Covenant, between God and Israel, is collective through its exclusivity. There is an in-group and an out group.
Christ's New Covenant is universal, destroying both in-groups and out-groups. The focus shifts to the individual and his relationship with God.
Ah, I see. But how does that translate to your political views, exactly? Is it just that you were an individualist prior to your conversion, and it carried over? Or do you believe your religious views inform your political ones?
9073
« on: February 28, 2016, 10:29:18 PM »
I learned to draw to make a portrait of my would-be girlfriend. You could try that.
9074
« on: February 28, 2016, 10:09:11 PM »
I will admit then that I used a poor choice of words (I'm not going to edit my posts because I'm just too lazy), my post wasn't meant to trigger people over the use of words, I was just wanting to be clear that I'm not religious but I'm also not without it as well. Once again, I apologize.
I'm not mad at you, so don't worry about it. 
9075
« on: February 28, 2016, 10:05:31 PM »
Chief describes my calling it one: And again, that doesn't make it a religion. Just because you serve "external" forces doesn't make you religious.
9076
« on: February 28, 2016, 10:04:22 PM »
God, the word "atheism" triggers me so much. It's not an "-ism", it's the lack of one. You're not defined by your lack of 3 arms. Your lack of t-shirts shouldn't inform your view on the world and reality. You don't subscribe to atheism -- you're just an atheist.
/rant
9077
« on: February 28, 2016, 10:02:25 PM »
One of the two answers I have was already posted in the previous page I think, just too lazy to go find it.
The TL;DR answer is: I'm a fence sitter on the idea of a God/Gods existing. There's too much crazy shit in the world to be absolute in my view on it.
That doesn't explain why you felt the need to specifically describe atheism as a religion, as per my inquiry. I'm not really interested in your religious views, to be blunt. Just why you believe that atheism is one.
9078
« on: February 28, 2016, 09:56:07 PM »
I don't have a religion tbh (and no that even excludes Atheism). How exactly is "atheism" a religion? You cannot have a religion without a god, and atheism is that by definition.
9079
« on: February 28, 2016, 09:54:39 PM »
Something like that, yeah. These tend to be life-denying, disempowering crap, though, and the atheist tends to be drawn into collectivist thought, which is crap. Do you think you could summarise how Christianity favours the individual over the collective? Recently, I've been going through a political movement as well as a philosophical one, but I can't seem to get over this "collectivist vs. individualist" hump. (In short, I think that in a Capitalistic society such as ours, I lean economically to the right, but in an ideal climate [the one I think we should be striving for], I'm virtually as far left as you can lean.) Admittedly, I haven't given politics nearly as much thought as I ought to, but there'll be time for that in the future. I should clarify that I don't have a totally structured worldview at the moment, so if you're seeing holes right now, point them out. I'm building as much as you are. I just consider myself pretty good at tearing down things (values and ideas) that are already built up. Will do, and vice-versa once I figure out what I believe. I would appreciate hearing any new thoughts you have in the future too, as you are in a somewhat similar situation to me.
9080
« on: February 28, 2016, 09:38:10 PM »
Shintoism? Also this thread got far more serious than I was expecting.
Why was I under the impression you were Christian?
9081
« on: February 28, 2016, 09:36:52 PM »
Yeah, I know. I respect your ability to think critically about philosophy and religion, and unlike what Korra was insinuating, I'm not trying to tell you what you should or shouldn't believe. It's just that I can't help but be disappointed that you're still struggling with this whole God thing--hence my comments--because it's an issue I was able to reconcile with years and years ago. What exactly were you able to reconcile with? That he doesn't exist? Well, I still don't believe he exists -- that's something I'm trying to work on (with very few results). You have to understand why I'm searching to understand why I'm struggling with it. And that's not something that interests you, I reckon. But whatever--as long as you don't start sacrificing bulls at the altar for God, I don't suppose I actually have any reason to be too concerned. It's good that you're soul-searching. Yeah, well, thanks. For the record though, I won't be renouncing my status as an anti-natalist somewhere along the road. I plan on keeping that until someone justifies life (so, never.) I always said that I would have more reason to be against childbirth as a theist than I ever did as an atheist. Same goes for veganism.
9082
« on: February 28, 2016, 09:28:18 PM »
God, in the Christian's case.
And for atheists, the "Other" would be, say, something along the vein of rationality?
9083
« on: February 28, 2016, 09:27:25 PM »
MAx Stirner wrote that atheists were pious people. This is true. Most, if not all, Atheists formulate their own arbitrary religions based on abstract, socially imposed gods, rather than personal ones. They may lack a belief in afterlife or things which are beyond their senses, but this is the only distinction. There is still the veneration of saints (thinkers, scientists, leaders, reformers), places of worship (various- the university is a popular one), and a myriad of value systems.
Just because they serve something does not make it their god. It may take the traditional place of a god, informing your perspective and choices, your value system, but it is not a god. I understand and agree with the heart of what you're saying but I just don't see why you feel the need to do that. "Hey, see, you guys are theistic, just like me! Except I actually admit it and am therefore better."
9084
« on: February 28, 2016, 09:21:04 PM »
Because they are on "our" level, or below it. It still strikes me as dishonest to call it a religion. We choose what we bow to, and those things we bow to should empower us. Christianity is ideal BECAUSE to practice it allows empowerment of the self in two ways- A) closeness to God and escape from eternal torment or nothingness and B) transcendence of servitude to the Self through loyalty to a higher Other, which allows for an orderly life and worldview resistant to the tugging whims of instinct. What do you mean by "Other"? >paying money for philosophy
here you go
http://www.naturalthinker.net/trl/texts/Kierkegaard,Soren/TheSicknessUntoDeath.pdf I'm still going to buy the book, but thanks, I'll read through this when I get the chance. Nothing beats a physical copy, though.
9085
« on: February 28, 2016, 09:16:16 PM »
To clarify, I do not think you lead me down a bad path. Depressing, esoteric and pessimistic, sure. But I'd rather know an unfortunate truth than a comforting lie, and that is what philosophical pessimism is: the unfortunate truth of reality.
9086
« on: February 28, 2016, 09:13:08 PM »
Empiricism is simply slavery of the mind to sense-experience. Tied to modern materialism and skepticism, it traps one behind a door of arbitrary garbage. Evidence, proofs, these are of no intrinsic value outside of the context of an empiricist-skepticist worldview. A worldview that fails to justify itself. How exactly does that make them a religion/god? I will concede that these things "control" us (in that they dictate our worldview and actions), but to call them a religion just seems intellectually dishonest to me. Almost like an attempt to bring "them" down to "our" level. Practice in Christianity is the most important, even Kierkegaard recognized it as such. You probably should read The Sickness Unto Death first or after, though. This?
9087
« on: February 28, 2016, 09:10:22 PM »
Korra, it's okay. I value Verbatim's words.
9088
« on: February 28, 2016, 09:07:16 PM »
What are you getting at?
Christianity is a joke. Door's leading you down a bad path. You will ignore this.
Some will argue YOU led me down a bad path with anti-natalism. I will have to ruminate on verses like those. If I cannot come to terms with their meaning and adopt them as ideals, then I won't adopt the lifestyle.
9089
« on: February 28, 2016, 08:58:46 PM »
9090
« on: February 28, 2016, 08:46:14 PM »
The problem may be that your perception of is/is not has been colored by empiricism, which is a religion in and of itself. How do you figure? I'd recommend going to church Out of curiosity, what will this accomplish? I'm currently attending a Christian school so I'm already involved with a church. Using its original meaning, that is. and reading scripture, plus Which version do you recommend? I've been switching between the Harper Study Version and the NIV. looking into Kierkegaard. Where should I start?
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