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18661
« on: January 28, 2015, 11:25:38 PM »
Trick question. I didn't have a girlfriend at 16.
18662
« on: January 28, 2015, 10:32:21 PM »
I didn't buy it initially because it looked like a brown shooty man game. Then I got interested when my friend told me that it was actually really good. Then got dis-interested when he told me the twist at the end.
Thanks for spoiling it.
18663
« on: January 28, 2015, 09:17:17 PM »
Verbatim's right, if your story is strong enough to stand on its own then it doesn't need a sequel...at all. Maybe another story set in that same universe, a spin-off, but not a sequel.
But of course if it has sequels in mind then there's no problem!
Of course, no one is denying that. But sometimes devs feel like enjoy the cast of characters or universe to tell another story using the same assets as before (there are multiple reasons for doing this). The best example I can think of is Uncharted. While I personally don't see why everyone likes them, it's clear that they don't "sequel bait". UC1 is a complete game, and I feel as though UC2 was made because they enjoyed the characters so much and felt they could tell a different story with them.
18664
« on: January 28, 2015, 09:15:31 PM »
Arkham Origins is a prequel m80. The Arkham series isn't finished yet.
But yeah, the only good third installments I can think of are Dragon Age Inquisition and Halo 3.
The point is, it's the third installment in the franchise.
I'm not even going to comment on your obvious Halo 3 bait.
But your title clearly states trilogy. Arkham Origins is not part of the trilogy. Nice backpedaling.
There's no "backpedaling" here. Origins is the third in the franchise, deal with it. Prior to Arkham Knight's announcement, everyone was okay with calling it a trilogy. I assume Knight will be the best in the RS trilogy, but Origins was third in line. But again, I'm not here to argue semantics. Either add something to the conversation or leave.
18665
« on: January 28, 2015, 09:11:15 PM »
Humanity is on the brink of extinction. The Flood, "Prometheans" and the fragmented Covenant have joined forces to eradicate the last of Humanity. After losing almost all of their strongholds, the UNSC is pushed back to it's last: Earth. Hoping to save the human race, Master Chief journeys to the edge of the galaxy and beyond in search of the last true Forerunners. Upon arriving, John is shocked. It turns out they all died quite some time ago. On the bright side, they had left behind even more advanced technology than what the Prometheans had at their disposal. Amongst these relics is a new Cryptum protoype, which is far larger and more versatile than anything the Forerunners built before. Believing this Cryptum to be Humanity's last hope, John travels back to Earth in an attempt to fend off the Promethean/Flood/Covenant forces. In cahoots with The Arbiter, Master Chief learns that this new Cryptum is capable of generating a "force-field" of sorts that is strong enough to protect against the Halo Array itself! Unfortunately, this requires an extremely specific activation gene-sequence. Luckily, thanks to the Librarian AI's genetic mutation of the Master Chief in Halo 4, Chief now possesses said sequence. After a devastating attack against Humanity, the majority of the planet has been glassed, save a few countries in South-West Europe. Sacrificing himself and the majority of the galaxy in an attempt to end the war, Thel activates the array, forcing John to use the force field. Upon activation, John learns that this would kill him and would only save a very small portion of the earth from the blast. Force to pick a city and finally end his life, Master Chief makes his stand. In his final moments, John thinks to himself whilst looking down at his chosen City. "This is it. The last safe city." As the final blast of the Halo Array cleanses earth, Humanity's "Golden Age" has ended. The Flood's reign of Darkness has been repulsed. And that was the end of everything. But it was also a beginning.
18666
« on: January 28, 2015, 07:56:07 PM »
Arkham Origins is a prequel m80. The Arkham series isn't finished yet.
But yeah, the only good third installments I can think of are Dragon Age Inquisition and Halo 3.
The point is, it's the third installment in the franchise. I'm not even going to comment on your obvious Halo 3 bait.
18667
« on: January 28, 2015, 07:13:10 PM »
While I wouldn't call the idea of a sequel dumb [far from it in fact], Verbatim brings up a good point. If your story is written well a sequel shouldn't be imperative for reasons inside the context of the narrative.
But there's a difference between telling a complete story and sequel baiting. Watch Dogs is an example of the latter.
Halo CE manages to tell a complete story while leaving room for a sequel. Same with Jak and Daxter. Or Uncharted.
Indeed, but there's nothing in my post that contradicts that. Leaving room for a sequel =/= necessitating a sequel. Something like Halo 2 or 3, where conflicts explored in the game are legitimately left open, is the problem.
I can see where Halo 2 left shit open just for Halo 3 to be necessary, but I disagree that Halo 2 did it. They basically had to create conflicts (Covenant hierarchy) to make Halo 2 the story it is now.
18668
« on: January 28, 2015, 05:33:05 PM »
While I wouldn't call the idea of a sequel dumb [far from it in fact], Verbatim brings up a good point. If your story is written well a sequel shouldn't be imperative for reasons inside the context of the narrative.
But there's a difference between telling a complete story and sequel baiting. Watch Dogs is an example of the latter. Halo CE manages to tell a complete story while leaving room for a sequel. Same with Jak and Daxter. Or Uncharted.
18669
« on: January 28, 2015, 04:04:55 PM »
I'd wrap up the main conflict, but make sure there are plot seeds open for future squels and speculation. I'd make the stakes high t the beginning if the game and gradually give it an explosive finale, and make sure the ending isn't a happy one- someone will lose. Not everyone wins.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
18670
« on: January 28, 2015, 03:59:05 PM »
But I was excited for Witcher 3, or maybe you're just playing shitty games, OP.
Witcher 3 does look good, and may be an instance of a sequel to a sequel done right (as is the case with Budokai Tenkaichi 3). But as a rule, most games third in line are often done poorly for reasons stated below. Regardless, the point of the post was to see how you people would create a trilogy.
18671
« on: January 28, 2015, 03:55:50 PM »
Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald (3rd generation)
End yourself
I still enjoy RSE (and their remakes are fantastic) but they're objectively the "beginning of the end" for Pokemon.
18672
« on: January 28, 2015, 03:54:49 PM »
Sometimes they run out of ideas or simply lose interest.
Sometimes they didn't even plan for a threequel--Halo and Pokemon were supposed to end after the first sequels. For Pokemon, Gold and Silver were to coincide with the end of the anime and it's partly why that game had two regions instead of one. For Halo, the original ending wasn't even finished. Both turned out to be so profitable that there was simply no way the series would end there.
And usually it's tough to keep around the same people you had for the previous games. For Mass Effect 3, Drew Karpyshyn left; Modern Warfare 3, Infinity Ward lost many key staffers including Jason West and Vince Zampella; Assassin's Creed 3, Jade Raymond, Patrice Désilets, and Jesper Kyd were absent.
Similar thing with movies: Return of the Jedi lost Gary Kurtz; X-Men: The Last Stand lost Bryan Singer.
So what would be the fix? Planning for 3 games? Because games that plan for success is something we all look forward to.Or just not make trilogies? I seem to remember a company that does that...
18673
« on: January 28, 2015, 03:39:52 PM »
ITT: Pleb central
I fucking knew you'd show up.
18674
« on: January 28, 2015, 03:35:04 PM »
So I've been looking at some "classics" from video game history, and I can't help but notice that there's a definite pattern in trilogies.
The third games usually SUCK. Here are some examples* (which I will undoubtedly get some hate for):
*I don't hate all of these games, nor do all these games suck. They just either a) aren't as good as their predecessors, b) are carbon-copies of their predecessors, or c) completely changed what we would expect. Anyway you stack it up, these games aren't as good or are the same as their predecessors.
Halo 3
Spyro 3: Year of the Dragon
Ratchet and Clank: Up Your Arsenal
Jak 3
Uncharted 3
Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald (3rd generation)
Crash Bandicoot 3: Warped
Assassin's Creed III
Batman: Arkham Origins
Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3
Mass Effect 3
And there are far more.
So, with this trend in games, I ask you guys, the consumer, how would YOU improve upon a fantastic sequel to finish off a trilogy? Looking forward to your guy's answers.
18675
« on: January 28, 2015, 03:02:57 PM »
5. American History X
I was going to say this but I knew from about halfway that Spoiler his brother would die. Kinda ruined it for me.
18676
« on: January 28, 2015, 02:51:51 PM »
Felt like making a list. Share yours, looking for good movies to watch.
Here's mine:
1: The Godfather: Part II
2: The Dark Knight
3: Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
4: Forest Gump
5: Guardians of the Galaxy
(I tried not to include multiple movies from the same franchise/genre, otherwise it would basically consist of "The Godfather", "Star Wars", and other superhero movies.
18677
« on: January 27, 2015, 02:56:48 PM »
18678
« on: January 27, 2015, 02:48:19 PM »
Stuff from anything before the X360 and PS3 days. I'm talking classics. I'll go for one of my favourites, the Jak and Daxter Final Boss theme. What are yours? I'll listen to each and give my opinion on them.
18679
« on: January 27, 2015, 01:28:04 PM »
I never played a Metal Gear game.
This is the one to play, mate.
Is it for previous gen?
Yessir. Although, it plays buttery-smooth on PS4 (don't have experience on X1) at 1080p 60FPS. Still looks good on prev gen, though.
18680
« on: January 27, 2015, 12:57:17 PM »
I heard they were going for photorealism
fuk u m8
no but for real all I've seen is pictures taken of the book
Same, which is what's pissing me off. Daxter looks like Rocket Racoon and I want that shit as an avatar.
Is the book available for purchase?
Well I assume so. I have it in my possession ATM.
Alright sarky.
Scan it?
I have no scanning device.
Ask Reddit or something? I dunno.
Never been on reddit. Bnet and Sep7 are bad enough.
/r/Jakanddaxter could probably help you out though.
I'll give it my best shot.
18681
« on: January 27, 2015, 12:49:14 PM »
I heard they were going for photorealism
fuk u m8
no but for real all I've seen is pictures taken of the book
Same, which is what's pissing me off. Daxter looks like Rocket Racoon and I want that shit as an avatar.
Is the book available for purchase?
Well I assume so. I have it in my possession ATM.
Alright sarky.
Scan it?
I have no scanning device.
Ask Reddit or something? I dunno.
Never been on reddit. Bnet and Sep7 are bad enough.
18682
« on: January 27, 2015, 12:48:42 PM »
Oh my god the textures in that first videos thumbnail are god awful.
Did you actually watch it, though?
Notice how you can tell the AI to shoot a grenade you threw to blow up a helicopter? Badass.
No because I don't care about MGS 5.
How surprising.
18683
« on: January 27, 2015, 12:01:26 PM »
I never played a Metal Gear game.
This is the one to play, mate.
18684
« on: January 27, 2015, 12:01:00 PM »
Oh my god the textures in that first videos thumbnail are god awful.
Did you actually watch it, though? Notice how you can tell the AI to shoot a grenade you threw to blow up a helicopter? Badass.
18685
« on: January 27, 2015, 11:59:54 AM »
I haven't played the others
So?
18686
« on: January 26, 2015, 11:04:59 PM »
Looking forward to it, however, I fail to see how it can hold my attention while it releases around Witcher 3, (hopefully) MGSV and Arkham Knight.
What's the Witcher 3's mutliplayer like?
I'm assuming that's some sort of clever retort, as Witcher 3 doesn't have multiplayer?
I don't know. The only real reason I'm buying the Witcher 3 is because the devs said they're taking a stand against paid DLC, and I want to show my support.
Oh.. I hear lots of talk about the game itself. Just wondering if it had multiplayer. Single players I usually wait till they drop to about $30.
So it wasn't a clever retort? I'm not sure, I think the game has a multiplayer feature. But like I said, I've only started to take interest in the game.
18687
« on: January 26, 2015, 10:54:45 PM »
Too honest.
18688
« on: January 26, 2015, 10:51:33 PM »
Looking forward to it, however, I fail to see how it can hold my attention while it releases around Witcher 3, (hopefully) MGSV and Arkham Knight.
What's the Witcher 3's mutliplayer like?
I'm assuming that's some sort of clever retort, as Witcher 3 doesn't have multiplayer? I don't know. The only real reason I'm buying the Witcher 3 is because the devs said they're taking a stand against paid DLC, and I want to show my support.
18689
« on: January 26, 2015, 10:38:33 PM »
Looking forward to it, however, I fail to see how it can hold my attention while it releases around Witcher 3, (hopefully) MGSV and Arkham Knight.
18690
« on: January 26, 2015, 10:36:37 PM »
My family. Were it not for them, I would've off'd myself awhile ago.
I wish I loved my family half as much as the people on this forum do.
I don't like my family, really. I love them, but I don't like them. But from my point of view, suicide is just pushing your issues and problems onto the people you love (or, the people who have taken care of you and loved you since your birth).
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