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17461
« on: March 03, 2015, 11:35:13 PM »
4 hours? Jeez... That must have been a marathon. >.> Good on you though.
As for his justification that is some of the silliest reason I've heard to date. That literally could have been anything explainable...
Yeah. It went from sexuality to anti-natalism to religious beliefs. Good time, though. I enjoy that sort of thing, you know that. I'm much better at arguing in person, IMO. Well, I mean, it's not that "science" can explain how his aunt floated off the ground that makes me not believe him. It's that I don't believe that happened at all.
17462
« on: March 03, 2015, 11:33:07 PM »
What if I considered myself a theist but did not follow any religion?
I would ask you why you were a theist.
Probably mostly because I was raised to believe in a deity, so it was hard for me to abandon my beliefs. While over the years I've come to the conclusion that organized religion is ridiculous, I've never seen much compelling evidence against the possibility of a deity/deities existing. I suppose I would more accurately be described as an agnostic.
In any case, hypothetically, I think that a deity would be very different than how most people see their God.
Sorry, I thought I would have something more thought-provoking to say but I'm drawing blanks.
You bringing up your childhood clears a lot of things up. I still have to remind myself that there is no evidence for god from time to time because it was programmed into me as a kid.
I don't really think you can identify just as agnostic. You're either a thiestic-agnostic (IE, I don't know whether god exists or not but I'm pretty sure he does because Pascal's wager [and even this is a bit of a stretch. belief isn't a choice, contrary to popular belief]) and atheistic-agnostism (me), that believes that there is no evidence for god, but we can't know for sure.
Well I think I should clarify that I don't believe in hell and I don't think that an omnipotent god would care whether or not their creations believed in them so therefore I live a completely secular lifestyle...but I don't know if that should classify me as an atheist.
It's simple. If you believe in a god/creator/entity that sparked existence, you're a theist. If you don't, you're an atheist. Either way, I just want people to be able to backup their beliefs. You can be an advocate for child rape in my books if you can justify it efficiently.
17463
« on: March 03, 2015, 11:31:43 PM »
Hmm...I guess that I think that the universe didn't just come to happen at random.
But that doesn't really "prove" that a god exists... Besides, the universe isn't random if it's the only thing that's happened. Under the assumption that this is the only universe, and everything "outside" it doesn't exist, it's not random for it to occur. It just occurs, there's nothing random about it. Furthermore, you're just pushing the unknown barrier further away. How do you explain where God came from? Did he have a beginning? He essentially becomes the god of "well, we don't know that, so it must be god". I believe Dawkins again coined the phrase "God of the gaps."
17464
« on: March 03, 2015, 11:28:00 PM »
Dude. I was at Matt's house and we had a 4 hour long discussion about how he's "religious" or whatever.
The only justification he could come up with was that he saw his aunt rise off the table when he was a kid.
Meanwhile, he had just explained to me that if God had revealed himself to me, that would interfere with my "free will". Why was it okay for God to show Matt and not me?
Some people, man.
17465
« on: March 03, 2015, 11:26:02 PM »
"Obsoletion" implies there is something to replace us that is more efficient or superior to us as we are.
Although I would enjoy knowing that the human race will come to an end soon, I disagree with your assessment.
The instant we can start uploading minds into robot bodies, the age of puny organics is at an end.
And on the day we can make that happen, Mr. Psychologist's trousers will be soaked.
I'm all for it if that means we don't have to reproduce anymore. If we're immortal within the confines of our mechanical being, what use for offspring to we have?
17466
« on: March 03, 2015, 11:23:08 PM »
What if I considered myself a theist but did not follow any religion?
I would ask you why you were a theist.
Probably mostly because I was raised to believe in a deity, so it was hard for me to abandon my beliefs. While over the years I've come to the conclusion that organized religion is ridiculous, I've never seen much compelling evidence against the possibility of a deity/deities existing. I suppose I would more accurately be described as an agnostic.
In any case, hypothetically, I think that a deity would be very different than how most people see their God.
Sorry, I thought I would have something more thought-provoking to say but I'm drawing blanks.
You bringing up your childhood clears a lot of things up. I still have to remind myself that there is no evidence for god from time to time because it was programmed into me as a kid.
I don't really think you can identify just as agnostic. You're either a thiestic-agnostic (IE, I don't know whether god exists or not but I'm pretty sure he does because Pascal's wager [and even this is a bit of a stretch. belief isn't a choice, contrary to popular belief]) and atheistic-agnostism (me), that believes that there is no evidence for god, but we can't know for sure.
Yea this part a lot.
It kinda just gets to you after a certain amount of hearing about it. Just gotta pinch yourself sometimes.
Over the first couple of years, it was pretty bad. Anytime I would get scared or need something, I'd turn to "god". Now it's not really even a thought. I just wish people would have some evidence for their beliefs. It irks me when someone believes something baselessly. I mean, if you are an advocate for something, you should be able to tell me why, right? Everything i do, every action I take, I have a reason. If I don't, I find out what my reason should be. If I can't find that out, I don't do it.
17467
« on: March 03, 2015, 11:20:42 PM »
I tend to see that there is a higher power, perhaps its some cosmic creator or the universe itself or something. I don't know. And that's the point, I don't know and I'm not sure. That doesn't make you an agnostic.
In Richard Dawkin's "The God Delusion", he comes up with a 7-point system for determining your religious beliefs. 1 being, "yes, there is a god", and 7 being "I am absolutely sure there is no god".
On that list, he scores himself a 6, because he cannot prove a negative, and cannot be sure that a god really doesn't exist. In this sense, he is too, an agnostic.
Where do you fit on that scale?
(What do you mean I'm not?  )
Because you either believe there is a god or there isn't. There is no middleground.
I guess I'm 4 or 5.
So you're saying that I have to be part of an extreme?
No, I'm saying that you either believe in a god or you don't. It's up to you, either way, I still like you as a person.
You can say "I don't actively know there is a god, but I know there is no evidence for one so I will live my life accordingly", which is what I do. But you're still an atheist because you fall under the presumption that there isn't one.
But I do think there's one...its just that I don't believe in the Church's god.
That makes you a theist, then. And all I'm asking you to do is justify it to me.
17468
« on: March 03, 2015, 11:20:09 PM »
"Obsoletion" implies there is something to replace us that is more efficient or superior to us as we are.
Although I would enjoy knowing that the human race will come to an end soon, I disagree with your assessment.
Unless the planet gets fried, something will replace us.
Not necessarily.
And even if something did replace us, they wouldn't necessarily be superior to us, which wouldn't make us obsolete.
Unless it's another new species of humans, how the hell would you know that?
I wouldn't. We're assuming that humanity has just ceased to exist, correct? If we're gone, and another species evolves to take our place, they aren't necessarily superior to us. It isn't a prerequisite. They very well could be superior to us, but they don't have to be. They are simply filling the power void left by our absence. You understand? If another species evolved to surpass us, then that would make us obsolete. But that isn't happening anytime soon.
17469
« on: March 03, 2015, 11:17:23 PM »
What if I considered myself a theist but did not follow any religion?
I would ask you why you were a theist.
Probably mostly because I was raised to believe in a deity, so it was hard for me to abandon my beliefs. While over the years I've come to the conclusion that organized religion is ridiculous, I've never seen much compelling evidence against the possibility of a deity/deities existing. I suppose I would more accurately be described as an agnostic.
In any case, hypothetically, I think that a deity would be very different than how most people see their God.
Sorry, I thought I would have something more thought-provoking to say but I'm drawing blanks.
You bringing up your childhood clears a lot of things up. I still have to remind myself that there is no evidence for god from time to time because it was programmed into me as a kid. I don't really think you can identify just as agnostic. You're either a thiestic-agnostic (IE, I don't know whether god exists or not but I'm pretty sure he does because Pascal's wager [and even this is a bit of a stretch. belief isn't a choice, contrary to popular belief]) and atheistic-agnostism (me), that believes that there is no evidence for god, but we can't know for sure.
17470
« on: March 03, 2015, 11:15:05 PM »
I tend to see that there is a higher power, perhaps its some cosmic creator or the universe itself or something. I don't know. And that's the point, I don't know and I'm not sure. That doesn't make you an agnostic.
In Richard Dawkin's "The God Delusion", he comes up with a 7-point system for determining your religious beliefs. 1 being, "yes, there is a god", and 7 being "I am absolutely sure there is no god".
On that list, he scores himself a 6, because he cannot prove a negative, and cannot be sure that a god really doesn't exist. In this sense, he is too, an agnostic.
Where do you fit on that scale?
(What do you mean I'm not? )
Because you either believe there is a god or there isn't. There is no middleground.
I guess I'm 4 or 5.
So you're saying that I have to be part of an extreme?
No, I'm saying that you either believe in a god or you don't. It's up to you, either way, I still like you as a person. You can say "I don't actively know there is a god, but I know there is no evidence for one so I will live my life accordingly", which is what I do. But you're still an atheist because you fall under the presumption that there isn't one.
17471
« on: March 03, 2015, 11:12:52 PM »
"Obsoletion" implies there is something to replace us that is more efficient or superior to us as we are.
Although I would enjoy knowing that the human race will come to an end soon, I disagree with your assessment.
Unless the planet gets fried, something will replace us.
Not necessarily. And even if something did replace us, they wouldn't necessarily be superior to us, which wouldn't make us obsolete.
17472
« on: March 03, 2015, 11:09:47 PM »
Obsolete.
Also, there is no god. God has been obsolete for a very long time now. I'm surprised that this species still clings on to it like it can still be proven.
This is the correct usage of the word "obsolete" because we do have a superior system what is true and what isn't: science.
17473
« on: March 03, 2015, 11:08:21 PM »
"Obsoletion" implies there is something to replace us that is more efficient or superior to us as we are.
Although I would enjoy knowing that the human race will come to an end soon, I disagree with your assessment.
17474
« on: March 03, 2015, 11:01:44 PM »
I tend to see that there is a higher power, perhaps its some cosmic creator or the universe itself or something. I don't know. And that's the point, I don't know and I'm not sure. That doesn't make you an agnostic. In Richard Dawkin's "The God Delusion", he comes up with a 7-point system for determining your religious beliefs. 1 being, "yes, there is a god", and 7 being "I am absolutely sure there is no god". On that list, he scores himself a 6, because he cannot prove a negative, and cannot be sure that a god really doesn't exist. In this sense, he is too, an agnostic. Where do you fit on that scale? (What do you mean I'm not? )
Because you either believe there is a god or there isn't. There is no middleground.
17475
« on: March 03, 2015, 10:59:04 PM »
Something unexpected happening that helps out the individual perceiving it as an act of God. So me giving you 1 million dollars is an act of god? It's unexpected and it helps you. Theology requires belief, faith if you will, definitive empirical proof doesn't match that. So why believe it at all? Baseless belief is illogical. Okay, then for a more believable to you example, the man also encountered some neutral Muslims but the effect they had is totally negligible because of that neutrality and the pre-concieved notion that Muslims are violent and harassing based on majority of previous experiences. This makes no sense. If someone is given evidence that not all muslims are bad people, yet the still maintain the mentality that "all muslims are bad people" they are objectively wrong and, to be frank, stupid. But you agreed, so you agree that people are shaped by their environments and situations and that can cause one to adopt beliefs you find radically different from your own? Of course. Given that you can justify your beliefs with evidence, I have no problem with you holding a different belief than I do. The fact of the matter is that religious folk cannot provide any evidence whatsoever to justify their position. Well, here's the problem. There is no definitive answer, and because of that people are going to go with whatever they feel the majority of what they've perceived in life aims them towards. Which I've already conceited to. If you've only had poor-tasting candy in your life, then you are justified in your belief that all candy tastes bad. But as soon as I "show you the evidence" (IE give you a piece of candy that you think tastes good), and you don't change your beliefs, we have a problem. For some, that is the belief of a god, or gods. Except that under no circumstance is believing in a deity justifiable without evidence. It's illogical.
17476
« on: March 03, 2015, 10:48:56 PM »
I don't have a religious belief thus I cannot justify it since I don't have it.
You're a cool gal.
I'm agnostic tho, you can ask me why I'm that.
Why are you agnostic? (You aren't, but I'll deal with ya.)
17477
« on: March 03, 2015, 10:40:34 PM »
I don't have a religious belief thus I cannot justify it since I don't have it.
You're a cool gal.
17478
« on: March 03, 2015, 10:39:11 PM »
What if I considered myself a theist but did not follow any religion?
I would ask you why you were a theist.
17479
« on: March 03, 2015, 10:29:25 PM »
But theres just something that makes me happy believing in God. I feel like I'm protected by a great God. I've been there. But you have to understand that by saying this, you're degrading "god" to an emotional crutch that gives you a case of the "feels-goods". I'm much happier now than when I was an atheist and I feel my life has meaning.
If that's your bag man, who am I to judge? I just think it's a bit sad that you can't find an equal amount of happiness/meaning in your life as an atheist.
17480
« on: March 03, 2015, 10:27:02 PM »
Like moments where they saw what they interpreted as an act of God Like what? And you believe God can directly intervene with the earth? or someone showing God's love and compassion to others This isn't relevant because non-religious people can show love and compassion to others. Being nice doesn't prove there's a god. Think about some racists, those people didn't just magically start thinking Whites are the only people that are good on Earth, either dogma or events where they saw a certain group of people acting bad caused them to feel that way. Those people are a product of indoctrination as children or a lack of intelligence. If someone lived their whole life only encountering violent and harassing Muslims, then would they really feel that only some Muslims are bad? No, but the chances that they've ONLY encountered negative Muslims are slim to none. IF someone, theoretically, had only encountered radical muslims, then they would be justified in their understanding that "all muslims are bad". But if they still held onto that belief once shown evidence that contradicts it, I would consider them irrational. So, there's something inherently wrong with religion or theological thinking to you? I didn't say that. I'm trying to fix people's lack of critical thinking. But believing something to be true without evidence is not "wrong", but rather stupid, in my opinion.
17481
« on: March 03, 2015, 10:14:18 PM »
I have faith that there is more than this life. I believe 100% that a greater being put in motion everything that is around us.
Based on what?
Based on my beliefs. My gut feeling.
What gives you that "gut feeling"? You must have some sort of evidence that supports that to allow it to govern your life (assuming you're that kind of theist).
17482
« on: March 03, 2015, 10:10:21 PM »
I have faith that there is more than this life. I believe 100% that a greater being put in motion everything that is around us.
Based on what?
17483
« on: March 03, 2015, 10:08:01 PM »
Simply, someone that is a strong theist either had events that strengthened their thought in the belief Like what? or never had any major events that weakened their thought in the belief. This is what I'm trying to fix.
17484
« on: March 03, 2015, 10:00:50 PM »
How do you justify your beliefs?
What beliefs are you talking about?
Uhh your religious/non-religious beliefs. Duh.
My beliefs are not relevant. I am asking you (who I assume to believe in some deity) to justify your beliefs. Or at least, explain them to me. It's not meant to be hostile, which I think you're taking it as. I want a rational discussion, here.
17485
« on: March 03, 2015, 09:57:17 PM »
How do you justify your beliefs?
What beliefs are you talking about?
17486
« on: March 03, 2015, 09:49:03 PM »
7 or 8?
17487
« on: March 03, 2015, 09:48:40 PM »
Any theists out there looking for a debate? I'm simply asking you for the reason why you're religious.
17488
« on: March 03, 2015, 08:35:16 PM »
Wilds?
Nigga Bnet be like Mt. Moon and these Desticles are Zubats.
17489
« on: March 03, 2015, 08:32:46 PM »
Game of Thrones.
Explanation: D&D.
I actually think Game of Thrones should be cancelled, because they'll be revealing the end of the series long before it's published in the novels.
I doubt it. 10 bucks says they go for an "alternate universe" explanation. They've already fucked basically everything up since the end of season four (okay, not everything, but a lot of stuff.) I'd rather it that way, anyways.
17490
« on: March 03, 2015, 06:12:17 PM »
Gotham is a bad show. Fact.
Gotham is as bad as the MGS franchise.
That's contradictory. MGS is objectively the greatest video game franchise ever, and is inherently fantastic in quality.
Gotham, is inherently and objectively bad.
Fact.
MGS is a convoluted franchise made by a gook.
It is inherently and objectively bad.
Fact
Gotham is a basic, simple and childish look at the life of a rich orphan that no one will care about for another 15+ years.
It is undeniably bad in nature and this cannot be proven otherwise.
That's not what Gotham is about.
You're just mad because MGS a shit
Yes it is. You're just mad because they decided to make a show following future Batman instead of Superman, the infinitely better superhero.
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