Hayter was good but I don't think he'd fit at all in TPP.

I never thought he was a good fit for Big Boss. I've been supporting Sutherland since the beginning.

There's no question he's the ideal Solid Snake, though.

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Quote from: Plotmaster on July 28, 2015, 05:48:41 PM

>Gray Fox is faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than the descending foot of a Metal Gear, and has about a decade and a half's worth of experience over Snake
>Snake fistfights him and wins

Sure thing, Kojima.

nanomachines tho


jk, snake is just far better at CQC than Fox

Even though Frank has almost 20 years of experience on him? And was also trained by Big Boss?

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It's like Captain America. He faces people with superior abilities but he's a martial arts genius and kicks their ass.

Yeah, but Captain America is superhuman candycoated as peak-human. Snake is just a really, really good soldier at the end of the day, while Fox is the product of like three different supersoldier programs alongside his seniority at fighting. The guy is a ninja Terminator; there's only so much that a really good soldier can do against something like that.

We're lead to believe that BB's genes really do make a huge difference. Regardless of how ridiculous it seems.

>Gray Fox is faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than the descending foot of a Metal Gear, and has about a decade and a half's worth of experience over Snake
>Snake fistfights him and wins

Sure thing, Kojima.

nanomachines tho


jk, snake is just far better at CQC than Fox

It's like Captain America. He faces people with superior abilities but he's a martial arts genius and kicks their ass.

Yeah I'm not reading that.

Quote from: Snake on July 28, 2015, 05:17:18 PM

Quote from: Le Mon man on July 28, 2015, 05:11:16 PM

so?
you don't inherit how you sound

that's like saying identical twins should sound the same after living on opposite sides of the world for half their lives

Well that last point is kind of irrelevant as Solid grew up in the same part of the BB did...

I mean, being a clone of someone would mean that you'd have the same vocal chords as your clone, so in reality, you'd probably sound like them. I think that's how they got away with Liquid sounding different. He grew up in Britain.

There's other factors that affect your voice, like damage and smoking

Sure. But I'm just playing devils advocate, that two perfect clones would likely sound identical given Solid's upbringing in comparison to BB. BTW, we also know that both BB and Solid smoked quite a bit.

Good thing we know Solid isn't an exact clone of BB.

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Quote from: Snake on July 28, 2015, 05:04:50 PM

and BO2 (I would argue) has objectively the best campaign out of any of them.

not objectively it doesn't

Branching storylines? Multiple endings?

The game was written by the same dude who wrote The Dark Knight. That should be enough.

it still isn't objective though

True. I would still argue it's the best campaign, though.

why shouldn't they sound the same

isn't solid snake big boss's clone or some shit

Yeah, "they're clones". But not really.

Solid got BB's dominant genes, Liquid got BB's recessive genes. Solidus got a mixture of dominant/recessive genes (whichever ones were superior. "A well balanced masterpiece", he was called.) So none of them are really clones of BB, as to be a perfect clone would mean an identical genetic template.

And not to mention that these games make a point of giving each of BB's "sons" different voices. Liquid doesn't sound like Solid, none of them sound like Solidus. . .

Quote from: Snake on July 28, 2015, 05:04:50 PM

and BO2 (I would argue) has objectively the best campaign out of any of them.

not objectively it doesn't

Branching storylines? Multiple endings?

The game was written by the same dude who wrote The Dark Knight. That should be enough.

That's dumb.
They shouldn't have sounded the same.

No, Luciana is mistaken. He made no distinction between BB and Solid Snake. It was, like I said, a gradual change over time, probably not intentional.

But yeah, they shouldn't have sounded the same.

Quote from: Snake on July 28, 2015, 04:53:45 PM

Quote from: Luciana on July 28, 2015, 04:49:05 PM

I mean, I like WaW, I'm just saying that Lemon's point that WaW being the last non-reskin is just simply false.

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True I suppose, but I feel WaW, while being a re-skin in terms of perks and all that, really had enough of a unique atmosphere and setting, that it set it apart.

It nailed the brutality and darkness and almost haunting feeling of WW2 so amazingly well. And that ending still gives me chills.

I don't see how one could convey that in multiplayer, but okay...

And if we're talking about campaign, MW2, among fans, has one of the best, and BO2 (I would argue) has objectively the best campaign out of any of them.

Did Hayter do the same voice for Snake and BB, or did he make them sound different?

Not, it was a more gradual change over time.

For example, his MGS1/MGS2 voices are nearly identical.

MGS3's has a little bit more gruff to it, but it's far more awkward than future games and I equate this Snake's voice to a pre-pubescent dude trying to get used to his new, manly voice.

Portable Ops has a little bit more gruff, IIRC. This is the game I'm least familiar with.

And in MGS4, he sounds like a mix of Groot from Guardians of the Galaxy and Aiden Pierce if he smoked 10 cartons of cigarettes a day. I mean, it makes sense, since Old Snake is dying and stuff. And I think his MGS4 performance is his best. But it gets ridiculous in Peace Walker. I think that was the point where Kojima was like "Okay, we need someone else." He does a really good job with delivery, I just don't think the voice works all that well with BB.

I mean, I've always thought Hayter as BB felt weird but that's probably just me. His weakest performances were always playing BB.

i don't get it

Basically, the guy you see in the picture on the plane is David Hayter, the original voice actor for Solid Snake/Big Boss until the last MGS game, Peace Walker.

When Kojima started working on MGSV, he declined to offer Hayter the position of Big Boss and offered it to Kiefer Sutherland instead. This caused a HUGE backlash from the community, who absolutely loved Hayter.

What you're seeing in the gif is a modded MGSV: Ground Zeroes, where the main guy wearing the hat represents Kiefer's Big Boss, and he's using that machinery to "erase" Hayter from the game, as a sort of "fuck you" to Hayter because he got the role of BB instead of him.

rip in patriots hayter

I don't see why you're singling out BO2 as a bad game if you're saying that all of them are the same. That would make even CoD 4 and WaW bad games.

Thank god, someone who makes sense.

I might not agree with CoD's business plan, but saying a game is "bad" because it's the same as it's predecessor, which you concede is "good", makes no sense.