Okay. Are any of them actually hurt by fictitious breasts, or are they whining about shit that affects literally nobody?

1. You'll have to define "hurt". If you mean physically, probably not. But surely you see the folly in only fighting against things that harm people physically.

2. It not hurting them physically =/= it not affecting them

It's stupid and immature, sure, I agree with that, but exactly how are they harmed?

Many women feel that they are objectified and that degrades their self-worth, which can have negative psychological side-effects. That "they're nothing but tools or playthings for men".

I'd hate to feel like that.

Nobody is offended by Ryu's torso-sized biceps or Akuma's borderline-deformed pecs.

Probably because neither of those characters are oversexualised for the sake of sexualisation? The developers didn't make Ryu "buff" to make girls horny and buy their game, they did that to convey the fact that he's a BAMF.

What stands out about Mika's bizarre and impossible figure?

The fact that she caresses her boobs and slaps her ass in animations makes it abundantly clear that their only intention was to sexualise her for the sake of selling copies to mouthbreathers, as this thread calls 'em.

I acknowledge that. I'd have more respect for it if you were willing to make actual progress instead of posting the same sort of thread that's been made dozens of times before on this site.

But like... how would I go about doing that? How could I convey "actual progress" in the world besides what I'm already doing?

Like, yeah, I could go out to rallies and start petitions and shit. But who's to say I don't already do that? What if I just browse Sep7 in my free time, and decided to voice my opinion here because it's a topic I take issue with?

Plus I think the fact that there are so many "non-believers" (for lack of a better term) proves the point that we need MORE of these kinds of threads.

Your argument that "you should be doing more" doesn't actually hold any water, brother.

If you really feel this is an issue, do something more than just complain somewhere they won't find it. You say you care about women and how they're represented, but trying to argue for them in such a half-assed way is just insulting.

But I do! Like, it's not like I just argue it here and call it a day. I take my arguments wherever I go, and I do my best to fix this issue.

Like I've lost 50 followers on twitter over the last couple of months because I'm constantly calling out people (developers and such) for their bullshit. A lot of the time it has to do with sexualisation.

And Twitter is such an effective tool because I can speak directly to that person.

Your argument that "I should be doing more" even though I am, again, holds no water.

I'll make you a deal. Rally people on Twitter, on their YouTube channel, on Capcom's website, anywhere that will have a real effect. When you've made a real difference, I'll concede on the matter. I'll even protest alongside you. Does that sound fair?

I don't know why you would need other people to make a decision for yourself. Why would "rallying more people" change your mind on anything?

I'm not asking that you leave your house and family behind in the ideal of protecting women's rights, lol. I'm only asking that you concede that this is an issue, and that's it's wrong. That's all.

Yet it's still all for naught if you're unwilling to do anything about it.

Except that person is likely to argue that opinion on other places on the internet.

I don't think you understand how easily one person's opinion can change things, especially on the internet.

I've been wondering this too. I watch DBZ, and MGS is my favourite thing ever and it's basically reverse anime.

Am... am I a weeb?

Quote from: Verbatim on August 27, 2015, 09:44:31 PM

The main question I need answered right now is why you shouldn't hate sexuality. Why shouldn't you be pissed off about how women are represented in games.

I haven't received an adequate answer to these questions in my life.

Actually, that's not true at all. I have received adequate answers (from Luciana and Aria in particular), but I haven't received... great answers. Answers that changed my mind on the topic forever and adopted THEIR line of thought.

So let me rephrase--
Why should I not care about oversexualization? Why shouldn't I consider this an issue?
Why should I adopt your line of thought?

Because it doesn't affect you.

Duh.

Still less convoluted than Metal Gear's actual story.

Actually MG's story holds up surprisingly well considering Kojima has been making stuff up as he goes along.

There are several retcons but nothing that'll confuse you.

It's the way the games are presented and the sheer number of hours required to beat them that seems daunting.


Though I may be biased because I understand the lore a lot better than most.

It isn't Jakeybear himself that I dislike, it's his retarded insistence that everyone think the way he does.

I get that it can be difficult to argue with Verbatim sometimes

he and I had an argument about emulating old pokemon games a week or two ago and it was frustrating to say the least

but in this instance, specifically, there really hasn't been a single logical counterargument

so i mean, logically, that should be enough for someone to say "okay, they've articulated their point well enough, maybe I should adopt their opinion on the matter."

Or at the very least, concede that they're right.

"I hate sexuality" is a perfectly acceptable thing to say. "I hate sexuality, and so should you" is just silly.

Tbh that's just him ITT

I have my own opinions about sexuality but I've tried to keep them hidden ITT for the sake of staying on topic

that topic being "oversexualisation"

which is most definitely a problem

I'd be more sympathetic if this hurt anything aside from your oversensitive morals.

wat

This doesn't affect me at all. I'm a dude, as you probably know.

There are TONS of girls who do not appreciate this sort of shit. The whole feminazi movement should be enough to convince you of that.

I do it for them. Because even if something that is wrong doesn't affect me, I have the sense to deem it wrong and fight it.

Now that probably sounds like white-knighting or whatever but I think it means something to say that I do this for everything that I deem an issue.

Well then, there's little else you can do about it from here.

That's exactly my point. The only thing I can do about it, is talk about it. Protest.

Or as some people would say it, exactly what I'm doing right now.

They're not going to read anything you write, so you're wasting your own time.

I don't expect them to.

But people on their forums? On Twitter (where I'm pretty vocal about it as well)? On their YouTube channel or article comment sections?

I can't tell you how many developers follow the same people I do, and read the same articles I do, and look at the same comments I do.

But I guess that not doing anything is better than doing something, right?

Even if one person takes away what I've said here today and says "Hmm, you know what? He was right?" I've succeeded.

Here's some more shit to chew on

I don't even know if this anime is any good, and for all I know, it could be

but jesus christ

I think he's talking about the intellectual value of an oversexualised character

at first there's something to look at (talk about on a forum) but upon further inspection there's nothing of substance underneath.

can we step back for a moment to just look at how far off the rails this thread has become

I think you scared Plotmaster off from replying to me

which is a shame because I feel like I have a better chance of "converting" him than you do

because you two obviously don't like each other

Quote from: Saladin on August 27, 2015, 09:20:16 PM

Actually that wasn't really a joke tbh I'm just covering for myself typing something stupid

i'm tired and armstrong in this jetstream DLC is kicking my ass

Stupid fight

what's pissing me off is that he has like 3 or 4 attacks that do like 25% damage to my health and I can't avoid 'em

pair that with Sam's lacklustre attack speed and it's basically jump around until he's at 30% health and then get fucked by his rage mode

i can't figure out if there's a mechanic I'm missing or if I just need to git gud

Actually that wasn't really a joke tbh I'm just covering for myself typing something stupid

i'm tired and armstrong in this jetstream DLC is kicking my ass

I was hoping you'd catch on that it was a joke

Sure, I understood the humorous attempt. But like all humour, it was based in honesty; truth.

I can't remember who said it, but "there is no such thing as humour" is apt here.

Essentially it means that all humour is somewhat true, and is therefore not humour, but truth.

But I like boob physics. Boobs are wonderful. This is a great thing.

To be honest, whether you like it or not is irrelevant. I like boobs, too. But this isn't about what men feel, this is about what women feel.

What you're telling me is that because something doesn't affect you, it doesn't matter. If you believe that, well, you're a sociopath. A little sympathy goes a long way.

Not buying the game will send more of a message than complaining about it here.

Why not both?

They weren't going to get my money anyways; I don't really like Street Fighter. What do I do about it if I can't "vote with my wallet"?

Oh wait, exactly what I'm doing.

But there's really not a whole lot a few anonymous internet guys on an obscure forum completely unrelated to Street Fighter could do about it anyway.

I've already explained the domino effect of our discussion.

WTF, there not going to follow Altair? There not going to follow the original game?

Hopefully not. AC1 is spectacularly boring.

I suppose I should make a different thread for it.

Okay, I'll get started ASAP.