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11101
« on: December 19, 2015, 04:28:39 PM »
They are completely different weapons. Considering Kylo trained both in the former jedi academy and under snoke he has much, much, more experience with he blade and the force than she does. You're right. I wasn't talking about the movie. I was. A metal staff is not going to weight the same of the a light saber. Look at the way she picks up the staff in the movie. It's with significant ease. There's absolutely no weight to it whatsoever. In comparison to the saber, where you can really feel it's weight when she uses the force to take it from Kylo. It whips by Ben's face. Not to mention the fact that the center of balance would be completely different on it. If we're talking about a real staff and actual saber the weights are still not going to be the same and the center of balance will still be different. I already said the balance was different. Also you need to read up on what an ad hominem is because that wasn't one. ad ho·mi·nem ˌad ˈhämənəm/ adverb & adjective 1. (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining. Ad hominem is when you attack the person's character instead of their argument. So by saying "You're blinded by hype", you're saying, "you're blinded by hype, therefore, your argument is irrelevant." So, yeah, ad hominem.
11102
« on: December 19, 2015, 03:54:19 PM »
Nothing I've said has been contrarian And nothing I've said has been motivated by blind fanboyism. That's kinda my point.
11103
« on: December 19, 2015, 03:51:00 PM »
Considering you didn't actually refute me with any of that and spewed a bunch of insults I'm going to assume this is over. Because there was nothing to refute. Having experience with one weapon (her staff) is better than having experience with no weapon -- fact. I reckon she has just as much experience in combat as Kylo. It doesn't matter if the more important skills do not transfer, some do, and the marginality of those skills can make a difference in a fight with some many small variables to begin with. I've already established that post-Republic swords wielders don't train themselves with a lightsaber. It's all determined by how in-tune you are with the force. And in that moment, Rey was more in-tune with the force and had not sustained nearly as traumatic physical and emotional pain, so y'know, maybe her experience in combat gave her the small boost she needed to best Kylo? And no, weight is not a marginal factor. In this scenario, it marginally affects the ability to stay on your feet, yes. The balancing of the weapon is different, but I wager the saber and the staff weigh around the same. And if we're going to talk about insults, let's not forget who resorted to ad hominem first. You're just blinded by hype.
11104
« on: December 19, 2015, 03:36:16 PM »
I'd rather Roman stay and you go, personally.
11105
« on: December 19, 2015, 03:29:16 PM »
Like, the first thing I said coming out of the movie was, "Ehh. I didn't hate it."
But yeah, blinded by hype for sure.
11106
« on: December 19, 2015, 03:22:32 PM »
Uhh, yeah I have. That's why I'm telling you that being good with one form of martial arts doesn't make you good at another. How you move and fight is going to affected greatly by what kind of weapon you're using. Good thing I already know that. Yes, things like hand eye coordination and situational awareness will carry over but the ability to actually use the weapon will not. That's what I've been talking about. Having experience with one weapon is better than having experience with no weapon. You can calm your titts man, your waifu isn't real. Remind me again which one of us is the disgusting weeb? Also weight is going to factor in significantly when using traditional forms of weaponry (id est, not fictional weightless laser swords). So yes, your ability to stay on your feet will be affected by what kind of weapon you're carrying. To deny this just shows off your ignorance. Marginally. Besides, the swords themselves are not weightless. Nothing I said is suicide. I was making a joke. You're just blinded by hype. LOL, okay man. You've got me all figured out. Ask my friends how "blinded by hype" I am. If I'm blinded by hype, you're blinded by contrarianism to make yourself feel better than others.
11107
« on: December 19, 2015, 03:16:22 PM »
Also, Ren doesn't have that much training. He's no blademaster by any means. No one post-Order 66 seems to give a shit about lightsaber technique.
11108
« on: December 19, 2015, 03:13:38 PM »
He deserves a spinoff
I want the final spin-off movie to be between 3 and 4, focussing on him. I would just love that. Additionally, in that video you posted - did you guys see how long Hayden's hair was? Dang, I'd love something like that.
11109
« on: December 19, 2015, 03:11:16 PM »
But like, no one should give a shit about Halo anymore anyways. At least not in comparison to Star Wars.
11110
« on: December 19, 2015, 03:10:46 PM »
There shouldn't have been any reunion in Halo 5, and no, Halo 5's cliffhanger was far worse because the game itself failed to tell a complete story. Star Wars 7 told a complete story that is capable of being continued, much like the original.
11111
« on: December 19, 2015, 03:08:05 PM »
I absolutely adore Ewan McGregor.
11112
« on: December 19, 2015, 03:02:48 PM »
I can attest to the last point.
My skills learned while playing baseball as a kid have carried over and improved my ability in many other sports. Eye-Hand coordination being an exceptionally big one.
So yes, it does carry over in some facet. Exactly. That's my point.
11113
« on: December 19, 2015, 03:02:18 PM »
I don't mind criticising Star Wars, but what you're doing is suicide.
11114
« on: December 19, 2015, 03:00:15 PM »
There's nothing wrong with using Ewan McGregor as Obi Wan. You mean aside from the visual and canonical inconsistency of Empire Strikes Back/Return of the Jedi's Alec Guinness ghost? Sure. That would feel very shoehorned.
11115
« on: December 19, 2015, 02:58:55 PM »
Umm, no because that's going to differ based on martial art of choice. No it isn't. Your ability to dodge a blow isn't going to change if you're using staff or a sword. Your ability to stay on your feet isn't going to change if you're using your fists or an axe. Go ahead and try to wield a spear like you would a sword or an axe like you would your fist. Are you serious, LC? Where did I say this? Muscle memory will carry over some of the skills from one form to another. Have you ever trained anything? It's like sports -- improving your core in one sport will carry over as a benefit to another. If I'm capable of great balance in football, am I suddenly going to forget how to stand up straight when playing soccer? No.
11116
« on: December 19, 2015, 02:52:49 PM »
I cannot wait to see Luke train Rey in Ep 8. Yoda training Luke was was one of my favorite segments from Empire Strikes Back and I hope in Ep 8, we see Yoda and Obi Wan force ghosts to tell Rey some things about the Force. We won't. Alec Guiness died some time ago, and I'm sure I'm on the same page as the producers of Ep. 8 when I say that I'd rather not see a half-assed attempt of recasting or CGI-ing him. Also, there's no need to spoiler-tag stuff. There's already a spoiler tag in the OP.
11117
« on: December 19, 2015, 02:47:14 PM »
Poppin in for a second to say that being skilled in one form of martial arts does not mean you are skilled in another form of martial arts. Certainly some of the skills you pick up in one form of training carry over to another, like the consistency of swings, reaction time, and balance. Rey was just proficient in hand-to-hand combat, that's all. Those skills definitely carry over.
11118
« on: December 19, 2015, 02:26:44 PM »
What? None of the trailers iv'e seen give anything away. They showed so much from the movie. What are you talking about? It was also ridiculously obvious that Finn wasn't the Jedi. I suspected it would be the girl from the beginning, but had I watched the trailers, I'd have been convinced based on how much Finn-shilling they were doing.
11119
« on: December 19, 2015, 02:11:22 PM »
I'm also so fucking angry that Han's death and Kylo ren's heritage was spoiled for me. I would have had a much greater emotional reaction to it had it not been.
11120
« on: December 19, 2015, 02:10:20 PM »
I'm watching all of these trailers for the first time right now. They give away SO MUCH, what the hell.
You can't trust people these days to do anything right where hype is involved.
11121
« on: December 19, 2015, 01:31:08 PM »
I would also like to point out that Leia and Luke are pretty irresponsible people for having kids. Their family is so tied to the force that they should realise "Hey, maybe our kids will be our downfall. Let's stop doing that."
11122
« on: December 19, 2015, 01:29:38 PM »
I love the rivalry the movie has set up, though. Instead of having this Father vs. Son dynamic, where it was Luke who had to rise to the level of Vader, we have Apprentice vs. Padawan relationship where the two are actually rivals, pushing their limits to best the other. Kylo isn't much further ahead of Rey, and the same vice-versa.
The two should complete/progress in their training by Ep. 8.
11123
« on: December 19, 2015, 01:23:37 PM »
The only thing I can really concede to being an "asspull" is the fact that she's a masterful pilot and she knows the Falcon better than Han. That seems kind of bullshit to me.
But honestly, that will be dealt with once they reveal her parentage. Luke (chosen one DNA + expert pilot/mechanic) and someone else (possibly another force-sensitive user, which explains Rey's ease at learning and using the force.)
11124
« on: December 19, 2015, 01:19:54 PM »
Kylo is still much more trained, as opposed to Rey being an asspull. Speculation on my part, based on my understanding of the movies. It appears post-Republic Jedi aren't actually given lightsaber training, though. We've never seen Luke training his technique with Obi-Wan or Yoda. It appears one's ability to handle themselves with a lightsaber is directly tied one's connection with the force. We can see that in Empire Strikes Back, when Luke is slightly more tuned-in to the Force and he's capable of fending off Vader, but ultimately loses. His technique doesn't improve at all in Return of the Jedi. He still swings it around like an amateur, yet he's able to win against Vader. Rey cleary is an extremely force-sensitive character, and while Ben may be on the same level as her (think, midichlorian count or something), he's too clouded by ideals and emotions to fully utilise that (like others in this thread have already established.) It is not completely out of left field that she's capable of "winning" against an emotionally stressed, physically impaired Kilo Ren who, prior to his training, had probably never fought with a melee weapon in his life.
11125
« on: December 19, 2015, 01:11:56 PM »
I'd have to see it again to use specifics but it was pretty clear to me that Ben had the upper hand the entire time. Finn held him off for a bit- and again, I must stress that Ben took a blast from Chewy in his torso and was in great pain- but Finn never really stood a chance regardless.
Well yeah, for sure. I'm not saying Finn ever stood a chance. I'm just saying he was able to hold his own.
11126
« on: December 19, 2015, 01:10:20 PM »
It's Kylo, not Kilo.
It bugs me.
Bringing back repressed memories of the Kilo 5 trilogy?
11127
« on: December 19, 2015, 01:07:19 PM »
Ben smacked his shit around even after being injured. Not the impression I got. Yeah, Finn did lose, but it wasn't a colossal ass-beating like Sidious versus all the Jedi except Mace in Ep. 3 like I think you're trying to make it out to be. He was able to get some damage on him. That constitutes "holding your own" in my book.
11128
« on: December 19, 2015, 01:04:08 PM »
Masters the force in only a few hours when it took Luke and Space Jesus three films to do it. I'd hardly say she's "mastered" the force. Is also better than them when it comes to using the force seeing as she can mind trick storm troopers without even looking at them, using her hand to help her concentrate, or even being told that she can do that kind of thing. 1. It is never explicitly said that you have to "wave your hand" for the force to work (I.E., A New Hope's Obi-Wan "You don't need to see our identification.") Hell, Kilo is able to use the force without any physical movement whatsoever in the first 5 minutes of the film. And I'm pretty sure blind Jedi are a thing, so not being able to see the Stormtrooper doesn't really matter. 2. "All of the stories you've heard - all of them - are true." It's possible she's heard of the "Jedi mind trick" in the past, and given her minor victory over Kilo in the previous scene, could have deduced that maybe, hey, she could pull this off. Clearly she knows she's force-sensitive, whether she's willing to verbally admit it or not. Is able to beat a trained sith despite having no training with a light saber I doubt Kilo Ren is a Sith, but yes, this is a problem I had as well. She does know her way around a melee-weapon though, and clearly she could hold her own against Kilo with the force given the torture scene. The movie sets up that wielding a lightsaber isn't really all that difficult (Finn goes to town on some stormtroopers and holds his own against Kilo), so a severely wounded and emotionally unstable Kilo Ren having a tough time against an extremely force-sensitive individual with experience in hand-to-hand combat doesn't seem entirely out of the question. Everything else you said makes sense to me.
11129
« on: December 19, 2015, 12:53:36 PM »
I'm just so glad the force-sensitive character was Rey and not Donkey Kong. That would've royally pissed me off.
Also, why could Rey/Finn hold their own against a trained force-user like Kilo Ren with a lightsaber?
At least for Rey - Kylo probably had emotional stress from killing Han, he'd been shot in the chest by a Bowcaster that was blowing Stormtroopers back and Finn got in a pretty decent hit. Plus experience with a melee weapon already.
I mean she basically hit a win switch when she closed her eyes and channeled the force, but I didn't find it completely unbelievable
Yeah, for sure. Rey made some sense given the context of the fight. Finn was the one I was more concerned about.
11130
« on: December 19, 2015, 12:04:58 PM »
Honestly, the only major thing about the movie that I didn't like was the music.
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