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931
« on: July 15, 2015, 10:44:04 AM »
We literally have God on our currency. Doesn't belong there, either.
I'm not sure why religious folks feel the need to plaster their religious shit all over buildings, money, etc.
It's been around since 1864.
And this justifies it because...?
And even so, it's still not a big deal. I think it's a big enough deal to talk about when a group of people force their religion on an entire country.
The U.S isn't making an announcement that Christianity is the official religion of the United States, or giving special treatment to Christians. So putting Christian scripture in government buildings and on currency isn't special treatment?
It's just a quote on a building, A government building. It represents the country. It makes America look like a Christian nation. It isn't. Your religion is irrelevant and it isn't wanted or needed by America. Keep it to yourself and your churches where it belongs.
it could be one from a past President, Gandhi, anybody. I don't know about you, but if a quote from an Indian man was in an American government building, I'd have a problem with that.
Phrases need to be secular. No people or religion should get special treatment.
But because it is this particular phrase......it matters? It matters that it says "In god we trust" when in fact, no, we do not all trust in your imaginary sky wizard.
I don't even know why I'm bothering with you, you're biased beyond belief and you're a die hard Christian who (like every other Christian) puts on the tolerant act but then has no problem forcing his religion into other people's lives.
I'm more of appealing to the whole free speech argument. I didn't say only Christian things should be allowed, I'm saying that everybody's word should have its stat.
But the whole free speech thing doesn't apply to the government. It doesn't have a religion. It doesn't have speech to protect.
The thing is, you have an issue with an appearance, not a function. The government put this phrase up, but is that affecting how the government is treating you because of it?
Again, it's like hating the color of a building but loving the work done inside. It's an appearance problem.
You can't be secular with phrases about God on your walls, your money, etc.
Is whether the government is secular or not determined by the way it's buildings and currency look, or by the laws and actions it carries out?
Both equally, obviously.
I disagree. A government can appear one way and operate the other.
But that's the rub. Our government has no business appearing as anything other than secular.
932
« on: July 15, 2015, 10:42:25 AM »
We literally have God on our currency. Doesn't belong there, either.
I'm not sure why religious folks feel the need to plaster their religious shit all over buildings, money, etc.
It's been around since 1864. And even so, it's still not a big deal. The U.S isn't making an announcement that Christianity is the official religion of the United States, or giving special treatment to Christians.
It's just a quote on a building, it could be one from a past President, Gandhi, anybody. But because it is this particular phrase......it matters?
America was founded on the principle of secularism.
Secularism means the separation of church and state so we don't end up devolving into a fascist fucking theocracy.
So yes, it is kind of a big deal seeing as how the government is disregarding the entire premise on which America was founded upon.
I'd imagine you wouldn't appreciate "In Allah We Trust" being printed on your dollar notes, so let's all buck up and start acting a little bit more consistent.
Yeah secularism. But that means Religious freedom for everyone, not an atheistic view of disapproval on all religious things.
Read my post above this one. I'm arguing that any phrase should have equal opportunity for being up there, not just one of the Christian faith.
As for it being a government building, how would you feel if the quote in place as instead a philosophical quote about Justice or something of that nature?
Exactly how is the state endorsing Christianity religious freedom? The government is NOT supposed to pick and choose which religion gets state approval. That's the antithesis of secularism.
Religious freedom is the right to practice religion without intervention of the state, both in a positive or a negative light. It does not mean state endorsement. This is not a difficult concept.
Not a difficult concept. But having this big of an issue over 4 words that don't affect you or how government operates is just silly to me.
So again, you wouldn't have a problem if it was a quote from Buddhist, Islamic or Jewish scripture? It's just 4 words, isn't it?
I actually wouldnt. But you stated earlier that I would have a problem with that since I'm a Christian. So you've already made up your mind on that.
Government favouring a religion that you don't adhere to doesn't bother you in the slightest? Sure thing bucko.
You are in absolutely no position to complain when government starts infringing on your rights then, seeing as how you have no problem having them infringing on others. Gonna hold you to this in the future.
A Christian in the US isn't able to understand what it's like to see your secular government favoring religion, because our government currently favors Christians. Everything a Christian here sees is a happy confirmation of their beliefs. They basically run our country, and make up 3/4 of our population. They simply don't know.
933
« on: July 15, 2015, 10:38:43 AM »
We literally have God on our currency. Doesn't belong there, either.
I'm not sure why religious folks feel the need to plaster their religious shit all over buildings, money, etc.
It's been around since 1864. And even so, it's still not a big deal. The U.S isn't making an announcement that Christianity is the official religion of the United States, or giving special treatment to Christians.
It's just a quote on a building, it could be one from a past President, Gandhi, anybody. But because it is this particular phrase......it matters?
America was founded on the principle of secularism.
Secularism means the separation of church and state so we don't end up devolving into a fascist fucking theocracy.
So yes, it is kind of a big deal seeing as how the government is disregarding the entire premise on which America was founded upon.
I'd imagine you wouldn't appreciate "In Allah We Trust" being printed on your dollar notes, so let's all buck up and start acting a little bit more consistent.
Yeah secularism. But that means Religious freedom for everyone, not an atheistic view of disapproval on all religious things.
Read my post above this one. I'm arguing that any phrase should have equal opportunity for being up there, not just one of the Christian faith.
As for it being a government building, how would you feel if the quote in place as instead a philosophical quote about Justice or something of that nature?
Exactly how is the state endorsing Christianity religious freedom? The government is NOT supposed to pick and choose which religion gets state approval. That's the antithesis of secularism.
Religious freedom is the right to practice religion without intervention of the state, both in a positive or a negative light. It does not mean state endorsement. This is not a difficult concept.
Not a difficult concept. But having this big of an issue over 4 words that don't affect you or how government operates is just silly to me.
So again, you wouldn't have a problem if it was a quote from Buddhist, Islamic or Jewish scripture? It's just 4 words, isn't it?
I know I would. Religious words don't belong on a secular institution's buildings. Period.
934
« on: July 15, 2015, 10:37:24 AM »
We literally have God on our currency. Doesn't belong there, either.
I'm not sure why religious folks feel the need to plaster their religious shit all over buildings, money, etc.
It's been around since 1864.
And this justifies it because...?
And even so, it's still not a big deal. I think it's a big enough deal to talk about when a group of people force their religion on an entire country.
The U.S isn't making an announcement that Christianity is the official religion of the United States, or giving special treatment to Christians. So putting Christian scripture in government buildings and on currency isn't special treatment?
It's just a quote on a building, A government building. It represents the country. It makes America look like a Christian nation. It isn't. Your religion is irrelevant and it isn't wanted or needed by America. Keep it to yourself and your churches where it belongs.
it could be one from a past President, Gandhi, anybody. I don't know about you, but if a quote from an Indian man was in an American government building, I'd have a problem with that.
Phrases need to be secular. No people or religion should get special treatment.
But because it is this particular phrase......it matters? It matters that it says "In god we trust" when in fact, no, we do not all trust in your imaginary sky wizard.
I don't even know why I'm bothering with you, you're biased beyond belief and you're a die hard Christian who (like every other Christian) puts on the tolerant act but then has no problem forcing his religion into other people's lives.
I'm more of appealing to the whole free speech argument. I didn't say only Christian things should be allowed, I'm saying that everybody's word should have its stat.
But the whole free speech thing doesn't apply to the government. It doesn't have a religion. It doesn't have speech to protect.
The thing is, you have an issue with an appearance, not a function. The government put this phrase up, but is that affecting how the government is treating you because of it?
Again, it's like hating the color of a building but loving the work done inside. It's an appearance problem.
You can't be secular with phrases about God on your walls, your money, etc.
Is whether the government is secular or not determined by the way it's buildings and currency look, or by the laws and actions it carries out?
Both equally, obviously.
935
« on: July 15, 2015, 10:32:18 AM »
We literally have God on our currency. Doesn't belong there, either.
I'm not sure why religious folks feel the need to plaster their religious shit all over buildings, money, etc.
It's been around since 1864.
And this justifies it because...?
And even so, it's still not a big deal. I think it's a big enough deal to talk about when a group of people force their religion on an entire country.
The U.S isn't making an announcement that Christianity is the official religion of the United States, or giving special treatment to Christians. So putting Christian scripture in government buildings and on currency isn't special treatment?
It's just a quote on a building, A government building. It represents the country. It makes America look like a Christian nation. It isn't. Your religion is irrelevant and it isn't wanted or needed by America. Keep it to yourself and your churches where it belongs.
it could be one from a past President, Gandhi, anybody. I don't know about you, but if a quote from an Indian man was in an American government building, I'd have a problem with that.
Phrases need to be secular. No people or religion should get special treatment.
But because it is this particular phrase......it matters? It matters that it says "In god we trust" when in fact, no, we do not all trust in your imaginary sky wizard.
I don't even know why I'm bothering with you, you're biased beyond belief and you're a die hard Christian who (like every other Christian) puts on the tolerant act but then has no problem forcing his religion into other people's lives.
I'm more of appealing to the whole free speech argument. I didn't say only Christian things should be allowed, I'm saying that everybody's word should have its stat.
But the whole free speech thing doesn't apply to the government. It doesn't have a religion. It doesn't have speech to protect.
The thing is, you have an issue with an appearance, not a function. The government put this phrase up, but is that affecting how the government is treating you because of it?
Again, it's like hating the color of a building but loving the work done inside. It's an appearance problem.
The phrase "In God We Trust" is inherently religious. The US government is a secular institution. You can't be secular with phrases about God on your walls, your money, etc. This is not a difficult concept. Am I physically being injured by simply viewing the phrase? Of course not. But that doesn't mean it's acceptable.
936
« on: July 15, 2015, 10:26:18 AM »
We literally have God on our currency. Doesn't belong there, either.
I'm not sure why religious folks feel the need to plaster their religious shit all over buildings, money, etc.
It's been around since 1864.
And this justifies it because...?
And even so, it's still not a big deal. I think it's a big enough deal to talk about when a group of people force their religion on an entire country.
The U.S isn't making an announcement that Christianity is the official religion of the United States, or giving special treatment to Christians. So putting Christian scripture in government buildings and on currency isn't special treatment?
It's just a quote on a building, A government building. It represents the country. It makes America look like a Christian nation. It isn't. Your religion is irrelevant and it isn't wanted or needed by America. Keep it to yourself and your churches where it belongs.
it could be one from a past President, Gandhi, anybody. I don't know about you, but if a quote from an Indian man was in an American government building, I'd have a problem with that.
Phrases need to be secular. No people or religion should get special treatment.
But because it is this particular phrase......it matters? It matters that it says "In god we trust" when in fact, no, we do not all trust in your imaginary sky wizard.
I don't even know why I'm bothering with you, you're biased beyond belief and you're a die hard Christian who (like every other Christian) puts on the tolerant act but then has no problem forcing his religion into other people's lives.
I'm more of appealing to the whole free speech argument. I didn't say only Christian things should be allowed, I'm saying that everybody's word should have its stat.
But the whole free speech thing doesn't apply to the government. It doesn't have a religion. It doesn't have speech to protect.
937
« on: July 14, 2015, 08:37:15 PM »
Sanders seems like a great guy and a true progressive, and I support almost all of his social issues, but a voting record doesn't qualify him to be president.
No it doesn't, but having one of the most consistent voting records in the game is certainly a favorable element for many people
938
« on: July 13, 2015, 06:01:37 PM »
It's on the money, so who cares if it's in the building?
>implying it's ok that it's on our currency
939
« on: July 13, 2015, 04:46:14 PM »
We literally have God on our currency. Doesn't belong there, either. I'm not sure why religious folks feel the need to plaster their religious shit all over buildings, money, etc. It doesn't belong there. Keep your shit to yourself.
940
« on: July 12, 2015, 11:13:10 PM »
Who cares?
People who don't want religious shit lining the walls of their public buildings, perhaps?
How does it hurt you?
It compromises the integrity of our public institutions. We are not a theocracy. Religion has no place in our government.
How does it hurt you?
Is that how we measure things? If it physically hurts me or not?
Fuck off.
that's what i thought
So we should do whatever we want as long as we're not physically injuring someone? What a dumbass thing to say.
How does it hurt you?
What a dumbass thing to say.
"hurr durr i'm only trolling!"
Seriously shut the fuck up.
pretty sad if you're really not trolling
you're just another overly sensitive fedora tipper that gets his feelings hurt over words on a public building
let me direct you to the website you're looking for: https://www.reddit.com/
Well I'm not a fucking troll, so I'm not sure why I would troll about why religious shit doesn't belong on government buildings.
Get the fuck outta here.
can you actually give a good reason why it shouldn't be there?
other than that it hurts your feelings
Because we're not a fucking theocracy, you fucking retard. Keep your fucking religion to yourself, it doesn't belong on our fucking buildings.
but what are the actual negative effects of it?
I'm not sure what fucking part of "religion doesn't belong in our government" you don't fucking understand, shithead.
but its not in the government its on a building
I'm not sure what you think happens in city council chambers.
OH RIGHT FUCKING GOVERNMENT SHIT
those words aren't sitting in the city chamber casting votes on what happens in the city
and?
"It's not hurting anyone" is a fucking shit argument.
Go home.
LE EBIN MAYMAYS LOLOL
this is what happens when you create a shit argument over an issue that doesn't negatively effect anyone but overly sensitive neckbeards
LOL THIS FUCKING GUY
Go the fuck home, child. If you don't understand why it doesn't belong in government buildings, you're probably exactly the faggot who supports putting Jesus everyfuckingwhere.
no i'm actually an athiest its just disgusting to see uber fedora tippers like you giving the rest of us a bad name.
oh man it must be so disgusting to see people supporting the separation of church and state.
go fuck yourself.
no its disgusting to see people try and hinder this thing called free speech which the country was founded upon
This has literally nothing to do with free speech, retard. The government is not a person. It doesn't have free speech. It can't practice its religion because it doesn't have one.
its practicing a religion by having words on a building?
"In God We Trust" is inherently religious.
941
« on: July 12, 2015, 11:12:40 PM »
Argue like adults or GTFO. First and last warning.
That literally never happens here.
942
« on: July 12, 2015, 11:09:35 PM »
Who cares?
People who don't want religious shit lining the walls of their public buildings, perhaps?
How does it hurt you?
It compromises the integrity of our public institutions. We are not a theocracy. Religion has no place in our government.
How does it hurt you?
Is that how we measure things? If it physically hurts me or not?
Fuck off.
that's what i thought
So we should do whatever we want as long as we're not physically injuring someone? What a dumbass thing to say.
How does it hurt you?
What a dumbass thing to say.
"hurr durr i'm only trolling!"
Seriously shut the fuck up.
pretty sad if you're really not trolling
you're just another overly sensitive fedora tipper that gets his feelings hurt over words on a public building
let me direct you to the website you're looking for: https://www.reddit.com/
Well I'm not a fucking troll, so I'm not sure why I would troll about why religious shit doesn't belong on government buildings.
Get the fuck outta here.
can you actually give a good reason why it shouldn't be there?
other than that it hurts your feelings
Because we're not a fucking theocracy, you fucking retard. Keep your fucking religion to yourself, it doesn't belong on our fucking buildings.
but what are the actual negative effects of it?
I'm not sure what fucking part of "religion doesn't belong in our government" you don't fucking understand, shithead.
but its not in the government its on a building
I'm not sure what you think happens in city council chambers.
OH RIGHT FUCKING GOVERNMENT SHIT
those words aren't sitting in the city chamber casting votes on what happens in the city
and?
"It's not hurting anyone" is a fucking shit argument.
Go home.
LE EBIN MAYMAYS LOLOL
this is what happens when you create a shit argument over an issue that doesn't negatively effect anyone but overly sensitive neckbeards
LOL THIS FUCKING GUY
Go the fuck home, child. If you don't understand why it doesn't belong in government buildings, you're probably exactly the faggot who supports putting Jesus everyfuckingwhere.
no i'm actually an athiest its just disgusting to see uber fedora tippers like you giving the rest of us a bad name.
oh man it must be so disgusting to see people supporting the separation of church and state.
go fuck yourself.
no its disgusting to see people try and hinder this thing called free speech which the country was founded upon
This has literally nothing to do with free speech, retard. The government is not a person. It doesn't have free speech. It can't practice its religion because it doesn't have one.
943
« on: July 12, 2015, 11:01:15 PM »
Who cares?
People who don't want religious shit lining the walls of their public buildings, perhaps?
How does it hurt you?
It compromises the integrity of our public institutions. We are not a theocracy. Religion has no place in our government.
How does it hurt you?
Is that how we measure things? If it physically hurts me or not?
Fuck off.
that's what i thought
So we should do whatever we want as long as we're not physically injuring someone? What a dumbass thing to say.
How does it hurt you?
What a dumbass thing to say.
"hurr durr i'm only trolling!"
Seriously shut the fuck up.
pretty sad if you're really not trolling
you're just another overly sensitive fedora tipper that gets his feelings hurt over words on a public building
let me direct you to the website you're looking for: https://www.reddit.com/
Well I'm not a fucking troll, so I'm not sure why I would troll about why religious shit doesn't belong on government buildings.
Get the fuck outta here.
can you actually give a good reason why it shouldn't be there?
other than that it hurts your feelings
Because we're not a fucking theocracy, you fucking retard. Keep your fucking religion to yourself, it doesn't belong on our fucking buildings.
but what are the actual negative effects of it?
I'm not sure what fucking part of "religion doesn't belong in our government" you don't fucking understand, shithead.
but its not in the government its on a building
I'm not sure what you think happens in city council chambers.
OH RIGHT FUCKING GOVERNMENT SHIT
those words aren't sitting in the city chamber casting votes on what happens in the city
and? "It's not hurting anyone" is a fucking shit argument. Go home.
944
« on: July 12, 2015, 10:58:13 PM »
Who cares?
People who don't want religious shit lining the walls of their public buildings, perhaps?
How does it hurt you?
It compromises the integrity of our public institutions. We are not a theocracy. Religion has no place in our government.
How does it hurt you?
Is that how we measure things? If it physically hurts me or not?
Fuck off.
that's what i thought
So we should do whatever we want as long as we're not physically injuring someone? What a dumbass thing to say.
How does it hurt you?
What a dumbass thing to say.
"hurr durr i'm only trolling!"
Seriously shut the fuck up.
pretty sad if you're really not trolling
you're just another overly sensitive fedora tipper that gets his feelings hurt over words on a public building
let me direct you to the website you're looking for: https://www.reddit.com/
Well I'm not a fucking troll, so I'm not sure why I would troll about why religious shit doesn't belong on government buildings.
Get the fuck outta here.
can you actually give a good reason why it shouldn't be there?
other than that it hurts your feelings
Because we're not a fucking theocracy, you fucking retard. Keep your fucking religion to yourself, it doesn't belong on our fucking buildings.
but what are the actual negative effects of it?
I'm not sure what fucking part of "religion doesn't belong in our government" you don't fucking understand, shithead.
but its not in the government its on a building
I'm not sure what you think happens in city council chambers. OH RIGHT FUCKING GOVERNMENT SHIT
945
« on: July 12, 2015, 10:56:51 PM »
Who cares?
People who don't want religious shit lining the walls of their public buildings, perhaps?
How does it hurt you?
It compromises the integrity of our public institutions. We are not a theocracy. Religion has no place in our government.
How does it hurt you?
Is that how we measure things? If it physically hurts me or not?
Fuck off.
that's what i thought
So we should do whatever we want as long as we're not physically injuring someone? What a dumbass thing to say.
How does it hurt you?
What a dumbass thing to say.
"hurr durr i'm only trolling!"
Seriously shut the fuck up.
pretty sad if you're really not trolling
you're just another overly sensitive fedora tipper that gets his feelings hurt over words on a public building
let me direct you to the website you're looking for: https://www.reddit.com/
Well I'm not a fucking troll, so I'm not sure why I would troll about why religious shit doesn't belong on government buildings.
Get the fuck outta here.
can you actually give a good reason why it shouldn't be there?
other than that it hurts your feelings
Because we're not a fucking theocracy, you fucking retard. Keep your fucking religion to yourself, it doesn't belong on our fucking buildings.
but what are the actual negative effects of it?
I'm not sure what fucking part of "religion doesn't belong in our government" you don't fucking understand, shithead.
946
« on: July 12, 2015, 10:54:52 PM »
Who cares?
People who don't want religious shit lining the walls of their public buildings, perhaps?
How does it hurt you?
It compromises the integrity of our public institutions. We are not a theocracy. Religion has no place in our government.
How does it hurt you?
Is that how we measure things? If it physically hurts me or not?
Fuck off.
that's what i thought
So we should do whatever we want as long as we're not physically injuring someone? What a dumbass thing to say.
How does it hurt you?
What a dumbass thing to say.
"hurr durr i'm only trolling!"
Seriously shut the fuck up.
pretty sad if you're really not trolling
you're just another overly sensitive fedora tipper that gets his feelings hurt over words on a public building
let me direct you to the website you're looking for: https://www.reddit.com/
Well I'm not a fucking troll, so I'm not sure why I would troll about why religious shit doesn't belong on government buildings.
Get the fuck outta here.
can you actually give a good reason why it shouldn't be there?
other than that it hurts your feelings
Because we're not a fucking theocracy, you fucking retard. Keep your fucking religion to yourself, it doesn't belong on our fucking buildings.
947
« on: July 12, 2015, 10:53:09 PM »
Who cares?
People who don't want religious shit lining the walls of their public buildings, perhaps?
How does it hurt you?
It compromises the integrity of our public institutions. We are not a theocracy. Religion has no place in our government.
How does it hurt you?
Is that how we measure things? If it physically hurts me or not?
Fuck off.
that's what i thought
So we should do whatever we want as long as we're not physically injuring someone? What a dumbass thing to say.
How does it hurt you?
What a dumbass thing to say.
"hurr durr i'm only trolling!"
Seriously shut the fuck up.
pretty sad if you're really not trolling
you're just another overly sensitive fedora tipper that gets his feelings hurt over words on a public building
let me direct you to the website you're looking for: https://www.reddit.com/
Well I'm not a fucking troll, so I'm not sure why I would troll about why religious shit doesn't belong on government buildings. Get the fuck outta here.
948
« on: July 12, 2015, 10:50:39 PM »
Who cares?
People who don't want religious shit lining the walls of their public buildings, perhaps?
How does it hurt you?
It compromises the integrity of our public institutions. We are not a theocracy. Religion has no place in our government.
How does it hurt you?
Is that how we measure things? If it physically hurts me or not?
Fuck off.
that's what i thought
So we should do whatever we want as long as we're not physically injuring someone? What a dumbass thing to say.
How does it hurt you?
What a dumbass thing to say.
"hurr durr i'm only trolling!" Seriously shut the fuck up.
949
« on: July 12, 2015, 10:48:33 PM »
Who cares?
People who don't want religious shit lining the walls of their public buildings, perhaps?
How does it hurt you?
It compromises the integrity of our public institutions. We are not a theocracy. Religion has no place in our government.
How does it hurt you?
Is that how we measure things? If it physically hurts me or not?
Fuck off.
that's what i thought
So we should do whatever we want as long as we're not physically injuring someone? What a dumbass thing to say.
How does it hurt you?
What a dumbass thing to say.
950
« on: July 12, 2015, 10:46:42 PM »
Who cares?
People who don't want religious shit lining the walls of their public buildings, perhaps?
How does it hurt you?
It compromises the integrity of our public institutions. We are not a theocracy. Religion has no place in our government.
How does it hurt you?
Is that how we measure things? If it physically hurts me or not?
Fuck off.
that's what i thought
So we should do whatever we want as long as we're not physically injuring someone? What a dumbass thing to say.
951
« on: July 12, 2015, 10:45:04 PM »
At this point just be glad it isn't something like "In Hubbard We Trust". I know Cali has a huge Scientology problem.
Only Hollywood, really. The rest of the religious right in CA is just evangelicals, mostly.
952
« on: July 12, 2015, 10:44:30 PM »
Who cares?
People who don't want religious shit lining the walls of their public buildings, perhaps?
How does it hurt you?
It compromises the integrity of our public institutions. We are not a theocracy. Religion has no place in our government.
How does it hurt you?
Is that how we measure things? If it physically hurts me or not? Fuck off.
953
« on: July 12, 2015, 10:41:06 PM »
Who cares?
People who don't want religious shit lining the walls of their public buildings, perhaps?
How does it hurt you?
It compromises the integrity of our public institutions. We are not a theocracy. Religion has no place in our government.
954
« on: July 12, 2015, 10:36:49 PM »
Who cares?
People who don't want religious shit lining the walls of their public buildings, perhaps?
955
« on: July 12, 2015, 10:36:25 PM »
Well it is the official motto of the United States.
I thought "In God We Trust" was the motto. edit: i dun goofed lol
956
« on: July 12, 2015, 10:07:30 PM »
If you don't believe in god, you're going to hell.
Obvs.
957
« on: July 12, 2015, 10:05:43 PM »
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/city-671241-county-orange.htmlFollowing in the footsteps of more than half of Orange County cities, Irvine on Tuesday is set to consider displaying the phrase “In God We Trust” in its council chambers.
Doing so would be appropriate because Irvine is home to “more than 80 institutions of faith,” said Mayor Steven Choi, who requested the discussion.
Approval would make Irvine the 20th city in Orange County to display the phrase at City Hall.
He suggested putting the text near the city seal, or fashioning a graphic that would combine the U.S. flag and the text, or the city seal and the text.
An organization headed by a former Bakersfield councilwoman is behind the push to get elected officials to display the phrase. In 2002, Jacquie Sullivan led the Bakersfield City Council in approving the display of the motto in that city’s council chambers.
Five years later, Westminster was the first Orange County city to follow suit, according to Sullivan’s organization, In God We Trust – America.
Since then, 18 other cities in Orange County have done the same.
Some of the votes have spurred controversy. In 2011 in Lake Forest, for example, the city’s 3-2 decision to become the 16th in Orange County to display the motto followed contentious discussion.
Critics say the motto excludes those who don’t believe in God, and intertwines the workings of church and state.
Those in favor say the phrase honors the country’s history and values. Proponents point to Congress’ 2011 reaffirmation of the phase as the nation’s motto and encouragement to include the phrase inside public schools and government buildings.
The public portion of Irvine’s council meeting begins at 5 p.m. Tuesday at 1 Civic Center Plaza. The item is last on the agenda. What is this, 1954? Oh right, I forgot I live in the most conservative section of southern California. *eyeroll* 
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« on: July 12, 2015, 09:51:06 PM »
I think the raising of minimum wage is inevitable, because people don't realize it's simply going to cause inflation
well the minimum wage really is a problem. people don't make enough money. we either need to give them a raise, or make everything cost less across the board. one of those is more easily done than the other,
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« on: July 12, 2015, 06:45:21 PM »
-Yuengling (Not too fond of)
Round these parts we beat people up who don't like Yuengling, son.
It's just pretty bland.
True. If I want to drink 30 of something, I'll get a case of Yuengling.
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« on: July 12, 2015, 06:23:02 PM »
Fireball a shit
A SHIT!
Fireball is great for 16 year old girls and middle-aged white divorcees.
daily reminder that liberals don't chew Big Red.
i don't chew any gum...
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