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« on: July 01, 2015, 05:13:41 PM »
To be absolutely honest, that's not even an ISIS flag. It's now widely associated with ISIS, but that flag is actually quite old.
It's called the "Seal of Muhammad." In fact, the Ottoman's used something similar and they even used the same exact seal (the Muhammad rasul'allah part in the middle of the flag) as their official government seal.
But at any rate, this is dumb.
This is mostly the same logic used with the Confederate flag, too. "It's not the Confederate flag, it's the battle flag of blahblahblah"
1112
« on: June 29, 2015, 09:37:45 PM »
Sanders pls
I'll vote for him the whole way.
1113
« on: June 29, 2015, 09:37:20 PM »
WHO'S READY FOR HILLDOG 2016
SO PROGRESSIVE
Yep, that's exactly why I'll never vote for her. All of her evolution on her positions has been in the last 5 years or so.
1114
« on: June 29, 2015, 08:15:00 PM »
What are you talking about?
Every facet of the media
and i'm not fucking talking about the media. I'm talking about congressmen lashing out during speeches and shit.
Do none of you fucks know how to read?
No max, the media isn't just the news its fucking everything.
Most particularly pop culture was what I was talking about.
And congressmen are supposed to lash out at the president when he fucks up, its literally their job.
not to his face, interrupting a speech. they're acting like fucking 13 year old girls.
Under what context is that acceptable behavior for an elected official?
>minute and a half of a speech followed by a standing ovation
>one dude briefly calls him a liar
And if you'd bother to pay attention, the whole point of my post is that this didn't happen previously. We acted with civility during speeches - televised ones, no less. This is a new development, and the distinguishing factor between Obama and those before him is the color of his skin.
I'd really like to know how one guy shouting "liar" constitutes institutionalized racism.
Hm, I wonder if I can find an equal, if not more disparaging experience that the previous president experienced.
OH WAIT I FUCKING DID
hurr durr post a useless video.
I didn't say shouting "liar" was racist. In fact, I never said any of this was racist. But the only major difference is Obama's race. If it's not because he's black, I'm curious as to the cause of the lack of respect for the office of the President. I'm also curious if it will continue in 2016.
posted the wrong video^
What respect? You earn respect, it isn't automatically bestowed upon you simply because you can win a presidential candidacy run.
I'm often reminded of the scene from Band of Brothers where someone refuses to salute Sobel. "We salute the rank, not the man" It's fine if you disagree with the President. But exercise some restraint and respect by not shouting out in the middle of a televised speech. It did him no favors.
1115
« on: June 29, 2015, 08:13:29 PM »
none of you fucks were even old enough to enjoy music in the 90s.
1116
« on: June 29, 2015, 08:06:00 PM »
What are you talking about?
Every facet of the media
and i'm not fucking talking about the media. I'm talking about congressmen lashing out during speeches and shit.
Do none of you fucks know how to read?
No max, the media isn't just the news its fucking everything.
Most particularly pop culture was what I was talking about.
And congressmen are supposed to lash out at the president when he fucks up, its literally their job.
not to his face, interrupting a speech. they're acting like fucking 13 year old girls.
Under what context is that acceptable behavior for an elected official?
>minute and a half of a speech followed by a standing ovation
>one dude briefly calls him a liar
And if you'd bother to pay attention, the whole point of my post is that this didn't happen previously. We acted with civility during speeches - televised ones, no less. This is a new development, and the distinguishing factor between Obama and those before him is the color of his skin.
I'd really like to know how one guy shouting "liar" constitutes institutionalized racism.
Hm, I wonder if I can find an equal, if not more disparaging experience that the previous president experienced.
OH WAIT I FUCKING DID
hurr durr post a useless video. I didn't say shouting "liar" was racist. In fact, I never said any of this was racist. But the only major difference is Obama's race. If it's not because he's black, I'm curious as to the cause of the lack of respect for the office of the President. I'm also curious if it will continue in 2016.
1117
« on: June 29, 2015, 07:58:46 PM »
What are you talking about?
Every facet of the media
and i'm not fucking talking about the media. I'm talking about congressmen lashing out during speeches and shit.
Do none of you fucks know how to read?
No max, the media isn't just the news its fucking everything.
Most particularly pop culture was what I was talking about.
And congressmen are supposed to lash out at the president when he fucks up, its literally their job.
not to his face, interrupting a speech. they're acting like fucking 13 year old girls.
Under what context is that acceptable behavior for an elected official?
>minute and a half of a speech followed by a standing ovation
>one dude briefly calls him a liar
And if you'd bother to pay attention, the whole point of my post is that this didn't happen previously. We acted with civility during speeches - televised ones, no less. This is a new development, and the distinguishing factor between Obama and those before him is the color of his skin.
1118
« on: June 29, 2015, 07:50:46 PM »
What are you talking about?
Every facet of the media
and i'm not fucking talking about the media. I'm talking about congressmen lashing out during speeches and shit.
Do none of you fucks know how to read?
No max, the media isn't just the news its fucking everything.
Most particularly pop culture was what I was talking about.
And congressmen are supposed to lash out at the president when he fucks up, its literally their job.
not to his face, interrupting a speech. they're acting like fucking 13 year old girls. Under what context is that acceptable behavior for an elected official?
1119
« on: June 29, 2015, 07:42:49 PM »
What are you talking about?
Every facet of the media
and i'm not fucking talking about the media. I'm talking about congressmen lashing out during speeches and shit. Do none of you fucks know how to read?
1120
« on: June 29, 2015, 07:36:37 PM »
>conveniently ignoring the new arsehole Bush got torn by the media for the entirety of his 2 terms
Which is fine by me, I thought he was a shitty president too, but it had nothing to do with skin colour, and everything to do with competency. The only reason you're pulling the race card is because you WANT it to be an issue about race. It's all the left seems to want to talk about, despite allegedly, being opposed to racist lines of thought.
Protip, presidents get shat on regardless of skin colour/political allegiance/dress sense/what side of the street they grew up in because it comes with the turf. To suggest that Obama gets extra flak for his race is just intellectually dishonest at this point.
If it's not because he's black, what about Obama gives these people the grounds to be so disrespectful to him? What happened to respecting the office?
Because he's the Commander-in-chief of a nation that embraces freedom of expression. There will always be people that are going to subject him to a deluge of vitriol regardless of what he does. It's a facet of the job that he knew full and well what it entailed, otherwise he wouldn't have ran for it.
Part of me wishes a republican wins the next election so democrats can be just as disrespectful to him as republicans were to obama, then they can go cry about conservative persecution
Personally I like to dissociate myself from identity politics.
Good for you. Doesn't change the fact that this is the kind of shit that happens in our country.
What shit? The right to speak your mind regardless of how contemptible and childish it may be?
My god, it's almost as if America is a western democracy that embraces freedom of speech.
When the fuck did I say you couldn't speak your mind? Are you just making shit up now?
1121
« on: June 29, 2015, 07:21:18 PM »
>conveniently ignoring the new arsehole Bush got torn by the media for the entirety of his 2 terms
Which is fine by me, I thought he was a shitty president too, but it had nothing to do with skin colour, and everything to do with competency. The only reason you're pulling the race card is because you WANT it to be an issue about race. It's all the left seems to want to talk about, despite allegedly, being opposed to racist lines of thought.
Protip, presidents get shat on regardless of skin colour/political allegiance/dress sense/what side of the street they grew up in because it comes with the turf. To suggest that Obama gets extra flak for his race is just intellectually dishonest at this point.
If it's not because he's black, what about Obama gives these people the grounds to be so disrespectful to him? What happened to respecting the office?
Because he's the Commander-in-chief of a nation that embraces freedom of expression. There will always be people that are going to subject him to a deluge of vitriol regardless of what he does. It's a facet of the job that he knew full and well what it entailed, otherwise he wouldn't have ran for it.
Part of me wishes a republican wins the next election so democrats can be just as disrespectful to him as republicans were to obama, then they can go cry about conservative persecution
Personally I like to dissociate myself from identity politics.
Good for you. Doesn't change the fact that this is the kind of shit that happens in our country.
1122
« on: June 29, 2015, 07:20:47 PM »
Part of me wishes a republican wins the next election so democrats can be just as disrespectful to him as republicans were to obama, then they can go cry about conservative persecution
You don't want a republican winning office, trust me. I wouldn't mind the candidates if 97% of them weren't ass backwards in so many ways. I can only think of like 2, maybe 3 of the.. what, 16 candidates running, that are actually decent.
oh, dont worry, i dont actually want that. it would be entertaining to see if it didn't effect me though
1123
« on: June 29, 2015, 07:13:13 PM »
>conveniently ignoring the new arsehole Bush got torn by the media for the entirety of his 2 terms
Which is fine by me, I thought he was a shitty president too, but it had nothing to do with skin colour, and everything to do with competency. The only reason you're pulling the race card is because you WANT it to be an issue about race. It's all the left seems to want to talk about, despite allegedly, being opposed to racist lines of thought.
Protip, presidents get shat on regardless of skin colour/political allegiance/dress sense/what side of the street they grew up in because it comes with the turf. To suggest that Obama gets extra flak for his race is just intellectually dishonest at this point.
If it's not because he's black, what about Obama gives these people the grounds to be so disrespectful to him? What happened to respecting the office?
Because he's the Commander-in-chief of a nation that embraces freedom of expression. There will always be people that are going to subject him to a deluge of vitriol regardless of what he does. It's a facet of the job that he knew full and well what it entailed, otherwise he wouldn't have ran for it.
Part of me wishes a republican wins the next election so democrats can be just as disrespectful to him as republicans were to obama, then they can go cry about conservative persecution
1124
« on: June 29, 2015, 07:07:54 PM »
>conveniently ignoring the new arsehole Bush got torn by the media for the entirety of his 2 terms
Which is fine by me, I thought he was a shitty president too, but it had nothing to do with skin colour, and everything to do with competency. The only reason you're pulling the race card is because you WANT it to be an issue about race. It's all the left seems to want to talk about, despite allegedly, being opposed to racist lines of thought.
Protip, presidents get shat on regardless of skin colour/political allegiance/dress sense/what side of the street they grew up in because it comes with the turf. To suggest that Obama gets extra flak for his race is just intellectually dishonest at this point.
If it's not because he's black, what about Obama gives these people the grounds to be so disrespectful to him? What happened to respecting the office?
1125
« on: June 29, 2015, 07:06:45 PM »
I'm really tired of people on the left crying racism and sexism at everything.
2015 is a different era than the 00's. People don't hold the presidency in as much awe regardless of who is in it. The idea that republicans are being shitheads because of his skin color, rather than the fact that they are financially incentivized to be shit heads, is beyond stupid.
Obama has not received as much hate as Bush 2 towards the end of his presidency either. There was not a comedy show on television, or stand up act around the world, that wasn't tearing him apart. Using your logic that must be cuz Bush was white. Not because people just disagreed with him.
I think you've ignored every post I've made in this thread. I'm talking about Cogressmen and the like. Yeah, the media tore Bush apart, but I'm not talking about that.
1126
« on: June 29, 2015, 04:52:12 PM »
Also for the record, stores refusing to sell it and all that is retarded. Take it off of government buildings, sure. But uhh, yeah. Free speech and freedom of expression is a two way street. Something more and more people are seeming to forget.
So stores can't make their own business choices now?
If the status quo is forcing bakeries to support gay weddings, then correct.
But there's a difference.
Bakeries denying wedding cakes to certain customers is not the same as pulling a product from the shelves.
How are they in anyway different?
Both are denying services to a specific customer base, and both will lose out on potential revenue, such as the free market dictates.
The only difference is that you find one of them uncomfortable to accept.
What specific customer base is being denied their confederate flag, while another is able to purchase it? they're refusing to sell it to anyone, not just certain people. That's not discrimination.
Confederate fans can't buy Confederate flags at Wal-Mart, Amazon etc, and gay couples can't buy wedding cakes from a select number of caterers. Both can purchase their desired services from another seller willing to satisfy their demands. That's the beauty of the free market.
At the end of the day, the only people getting the short end of the stick are the people refusing to satisfy a specific market.
I can't tell if you're being serious or not.
>"I can't rebuke his argument"
>"better crack out the troll card"
Pardon me for being skeptical of such an absurd argument.
You going to explain how it's absurd, or are you just going to continue to be a holier than thou prick?
Because they're different things, you retard.
the gay cakes: a certain set of customers are being denied a good or service for specific reasons
the confederate flag: the store is removing the product entirely for all customers
Yes, in either situation, customers can go elsewhere for the good or service.
if you can't see the difference, I don't know what to tell you.
You're just arguing technicalities at this point. If your original contention was the difference in business practice, sure, there's a difference. I was kind of looking for a moral argument though, but at this point, if you're going to act infantile, then all that really tells me is that there isn't one.
So are you going to cry every time a store stops carrying a product?
1127
« on: June 29, 2015, 04:47:30 PM »
You havent? Just look at 2007.
Bush got just the same amount of hate and even some more.
Stop your white guilt.
I see you didn't bother to read my post. Bush did not receive the same amount of public disrespect, especially from congress.
I'm confused by how you're quantifying this. Bush is the most polarizing president in recent history and was shit on daily by the media and the public. Obama gets his fair share, but I think you're falling victim to self-serving bias.
I'm not talking about the media and the public, I'm talking about other elected representatives and officials. How often was Bush interrupted by yells from congressmen? How often did democrats openly say they were there not to legislate, but to make Bush a one-term president?
Was there disrespect toward Bush? Yes. But nothing so blatant.
Is it a competition? Bush got booed by democrats during a state of the union address, so if we're talking participants in an act of verbal disrespect on the floor of the House of Representatives, then his tally is higher.
I can't say I recall the booing. Which one was this? It's not a competition, but my point is that there's a measurable difference between the way Obama has been treated in comparison to his predecessors.
1128
« on: June 29, 2015, 04:36:15 PM »
Also for the record, stores refusing to sell it and all that is retarded. Take it off of government buildings, sure. But uhh, yeah. Free speech and freedom of expression is a two way street. Something more and more people are seeming to forget.
So stores can't make their own business choices now?
If the status quo is forcing bakeries to support gay weddings, then correct.
But there's a difference.
Bakeries denying wedding cakes to certain customers is not the same as pulling a product from the shelves.
How are they in anyway different?
Both are denying services to a specific customer base, and both will lose out on potential revenue, such as the free market dictates.
The only difference is that you find one of them uncomfortable to accept.
What specific customer base is being denied their confederate flag, while another is able to purchase it? they're refusing to sell it to anyone, not just certain people. That's not discrimination.
Confederate fans can't buy Confederate flags at Wal-Mart, Amazon etc, and gay couples can't buy wedding cakes from a select number of caterers. Both can purchase their desired services from another seller willing to satisfy their demands. That's the beauty of the free market.
At the end of the day, the only people getting the short end of the stick are the people refusing to satisfy a specific market.
I can't tell if you're being serious or not.
>"I can't rebuke his argument"
>"better crack out the troll card"
Pardon me for being skeptical of such an absurd argument.
You going to explain how it's absurd, or are you just going to continue to be a holier than thou prick?
Because they're different things, you retard. the gay cakes: a certain set of customers are being denied a good or service for specific reasons the confederate flag: the store is removing the product entirely for all customers Yes, in either situation, customers can go elsewhere for the good or service. if you can't see the difference, I don't know what to tell you.
1129
« on: June 29, 2015, 04:31:53 PM »
You havent? Just look at 2007.
Bush got just the same amount of hate and even some more.
Stop your white guilt.
I see you didn't bother to read my post. Bush did not receive the same amount of public disrespect, especially from congress.
I'm confused by how you're quantifying this. Bush is the most polarizing president in recent history and was shit on daily by the media and the public. Obama gets his fair share, but I think you're falling victim to self-serving bias.
I'm not talking about the media and the public, I'm talking about other elected representatives and officials. How often was Bush interrupted by yells from congressmen? How often did democrats openly say they were there not to legislate, but to make Bush a one-term president? Was there disrespect toward Bush? Yes. But nothing so blatant.
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« on: June 29, 2015, 03:44:43 PM »
You havent? Just look at 2007.
Bush got just the same amount of hate and even some more.
Stop your white guilt.
I see you didn't bother to read my post. Bush did not receive the same amount of public disrespect, especially from congress.
1131
« on: June 29, 2015, 02:58:54 PM »
Also for the record, stores refusing to sell it and all that is retarded. Take it off of government buildings, sure. But uhh, yeah. Free speech and freedom of expression is a two way street. Something more and more people are seeming to forget.
So stores can't make their own business choices now?
If the status quo is forcing bakeries to support gay weddings, then correct.
But there's a difference.
Bakeries denying wedding cakes to certain customers is not the same as pulling a product from the shelves.
How are they in anyway different?
Both are denying services to a specific customer base, and both will lose out on potential revenue, such as the free market dictates.
The only difference is that you find one of them uncomfortable to accept.
What specific customer base is being denied their confederate flag, while another is able to purchase it? they're refusing to sell it to anyone, not just certain people. That's not discrimination.
Confederate fans can't buy Confederate flags at Wal-Mart, Amazon etc, and gay couples can't buy wedding cakes from a select number of caterers. Both can purchase their desired services from another seller willing to satisfy their demands. That's the beauty of the free market.
At the end of the day, the only people getting the short end of the stick are the people refusing to satisfy a specific market.
I can't tell if you're being serious or not.
>"I can't rebuke his argument"
>"better crack out the troll card"
Pardon me for being skeptical of such an absurd argument.
1132
« on: June 29, 2015, 02:33:15 PM »
Could it just be people don't like his character and leadership and it has literally nothing to do with his skin color? Hmmm I wonder
Dislike of his character or leadership isn't grounds to behave like that.
1133
« on: June 29, 2015, 01:54:12 PM »
He didn't get a shoe thrown at him like Bush did.
Well that wasn't in the US. I'm talking about how he's treated by our own people.
1134
« on: June 29, 2015, 01:02:26 PM »
Never in my years have I seen such widespread disrespect for the President. Am I Obama's biggest fan? No way. Yeah, people didn't like Bush II, but you didn't see congressmen calling him "liar" in the middle of his speeches. You didn't see people interrupting his time at the rose garden. You didn't see widespread campaigns about how he isn't an American.
The only significant difference about Obama is that he isn't 100% white. I'm not saying it is racism...but it's hard to justify that it isn't racism at all.
1135
« on: June 29, 2015, 11:07:38 AM »
Also for the record, stores refusing to sell it and all that is retarded. Take it off of government buildings, sure. But uhh, yeah. Free speech and freedom of expression is a two way street. Something more and more people are seeming to forget.
So stores can't make their own business choices now?
If the status quo is forcing bakeries to support gay weddings, then correct.
But there's a difference.
Bakeries denying wedding cakes to certain customers is not the same as pulling a product from the shelves.
How are they in anyway different?
Both are denying services to a specific customer base, and both will lose out on potential revenue, such as the free market dictates.
The only difference is that you find one of them uncomfortable to accept.
What specific customer base is being denied their confederate flag, while another is able to purchase it? they're refusing to sell it to anyone, not just certain people. That's not discrimination.
Confederate fans can't buy Confederate flags at Wal-Mart, Amazon etc, and gay couples can't buy wedding cakes from a select number of caterers. Both can purchase their desired services from another seller willing to satisfy their demands. That's the beauty of the free market.
At the end of the day, the only people getting the short end of the stick are the people refusing to satisfy a specific market.
I can't tell if you're being serious or not.
1136
« on: June 29, 2015, 10:46:07 AM »
Also for the record, stores refusing to sell it and all that is retarded. Take it off of government buildings, sure. But uhh, yeah. Free speech and freedom of expression is a two way street. Something more and more people are seeming to forget.
So stores can't make their own business choices now?
If the status quo is forcing bakeries to support gay weddings, then correct.
But there's a difference.
Bakeries denying wedding cakes to certain customers is not the same as pulling a product from the shelves.
How are they in anyway different?
Both are denying services to a specific customer base, and both will lose out on potential revenue, such as the free market dictates.
The only difference is that you find one of them uncomfortable to accept.
What specific customer base is being denied their confederate flag, while another is able to purchase it? they're refusing to sell it to anyone, not just certain people. That's not discrimination.
1137
« on: June 29, 2015, 10:36:25 AM »
Also for the record, stores refusing to sell it and all that is retarded. Take it off of government buildings, sure. But uhh, yeah. Free speech and freedom of expression is a two way street. Something more and more people are seeming to forget.
So stores can't make their own business choices now?
If the status quo is forcing bakeries to support gay weddings, then correct.
But there's a difference. Bakeries denying wedding cakes to certain customers is not the same as pulling a product from the shelves.
1138
« on: June 28, 2015, 11:05:45 PM »
All this Confederate flag controversy is so stupid. It takes you this long to suddenly be offended?
Okay then.
The Confederate flag nonsense has been an issue since the Civil War. It only now has been boiling over because of current events combined with the fact that it isn't 1863 anymore.
No, it definitely hasn't been a thing here. Kids flew the stars and bars on their pickup trucks going to school senior year.
Maybe in Comradefornia it's an issue, but y'all can just keep your whole being offended at everything shtick to y'allselves.
the fact that you guys aren't bothered by flying a flag that represents racism, violence, and hatred speaks more about the south than anything else. there's a reason you guys are terrible at everything. maybe there's something in the water down there.
okay faggot, listen up
There's more to that flag than racism.
The flag means different things to different fucking people and just because YOUR unfuckingcultured orthodox californian brain processes it one way does not mean every other brain does.
The flag represents, depending entirely on the person observing it:
Southern culture, history, and heritage.
State's rights, decentralization of power, and opposition to the Federal government
And yes, slavery and white supremacy.
I don't expect someone from California to understand anything about Southern culture, but I do expect you to acknowledge the position of ignorance you are actually in, instead of rambling like a holier-than-thou cunt.
I'm not going to argue that racial interpretations of the flag are wrong, because they aren't. Any combination of the three meanings is a legitimate interpretation. I believe it's something to display sensetively, because some people interpret the flag solely negatively, and it's totally reasonable. I can't stand guys who have a problem with people taking offense to it, because it's okay to see the flag and think "slavery". Plenty of people, yes, including many African Americans, see it and just think "I'm proud of my background", and if you're going to throw the uncle tom card at that I'm going to respond by telling you to kill yourself and getting myself banned again.
I can't stand people with their heads up their ass about how evil it is, especially ones as far up as yours. If you think the Dixie flag is too evil, you should write off American flags too, because trust me, that flag represents some pretty FUCKED UP shit to Native Americans. But I guess it's okay to salute that flag because at least it won.
I'm fucking sick of dumbfuck outsiders writing off Southerners as dumb racist hicks just because they can be proud of parts of their heritage. Sick of this elitist, classist bullshit. If California's such a liberal fucking paradise, enjoy it and stop telling outsiders how to live their fucking lives.
Every flag has some blood on it.
LOL every southern fucktard sympathizer liked this.
1139
« on: June 28, 2015, 11:05:18 PM »
Also for the record, stores refusing to sell it and all that is retarded. Take it off of government buildings, sure. But uhh, yeah. Free speech and freedom of expression is a two way street. Something more and more people are seeming to forget.
So stores can't make their own business choices now?
1140
« on: June 28, 2015, 11:04:49 PM »
All this Confederate flag controversy is so stupid. It takes you this long to suddenly be offended?
Okay then.
The Confederate flag nonsense has been an issue since the Civil War. It only now has been boiling over because of current events combined with the fact that it isn't 1863 anymore.
No, it definitely hasn't been a thing here. Kids flew the stars and bars on their pickup trucks going to school senior year.
Maybe in Comradefornia it's an issue, but y'all can just keep your whole being offended at everything shtick to y'allselves.
the fact that you guys aren't bothered by flying a flag that represents racism, violence, and hatred speaks more about the south than anything else. there's a reason you guys are terrible at everything. maybe there's something in the water down there.
I personally don't fly them, but the Confederate flag is pretty much accepted around here. Doesn't matter anyways, they lost.
The south WILL rise again.
People really think this Holy shit.
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