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4621
« on: December 11, 2014, 05:39:54 PM »
Tool is objectively not Metal you've done an unbelievably shitty job of proving that
in fact... you didn't
No, you've just chosen to ignore the reasons WHY it isn't metal. Music theory reasons, which apply to all music and how they fall into genres. You know, like I tried to explain about classical genres?
4622
« on: December 11, 2014, 05:33:30 PM »
And we're talking about their differences, not the fact they're both sandwiches. No. You might be talking about the former, but since the very beginning, I've been talking about the latter.
The latter is irrelevant. One classical piece from one genre will not be the same as another classical genre just because you can call them both "classical". They will be different.
4623
« on: December 11, 2014, 05:30:53 PM »
HAHA no. A "sub sandwich" is not the same as a "burger". That is a fact. and you're an idiot if you think that's what i'm saying
a sub is not a burger
a sub is a sandwich
a burger is a sandwich
a sub and a burger are both sandwiches
this is first grade shit
And we're talking about their differences, not the fact they're both sandwiches. I thought you got held back in first grade?
4624
« on: December 11, 2014, 05:28:40 PM »
A sub is a different kind of sandwich than others. But is it the same as other sandwiches? No. awesome
that's never what i was trying to say
so... that's YOUR misinterpretation
HAHA no. A "sub sandwich" is not the same as a "burger". That is a fact.
4625
« on: December 11, 2014, 05:19:02 PM »
THEY ARE NOT, THAT'S WHY THERE ARE SUBGENRES.
Did you not read the rest of the post explaining how or why? THE CORE OF MUSICAL THEORY IS BASED AROUND GENRES AND THE STRUCTURE OF MUSIC AND IS EXACTLY WHY CLASSICAL MUSIC HAS SUBGENRES. The classical music of Bach is not going to be the same as that of Claude Debussy BECAUSE THEY ARE IN A DIFFERENT CATEGORY AND MUSICAL STRUCTURE.
that's like saying a sub isn't a sandwich
because it's a sub, not a sandwich
No, that is not what I'm saying. You are saying that all of music theory and how music is and has been made is wrong. A sub is a different kind of sandwich than others. But is it the same as other sandwiches? No.
4626
« on: December 11, 2014, 05:12:43 PM »
Classical music has subgenres, yes, but it does NOT make them the same at all. "they're the same genre, but they're not the same genre"
wow
fuck this
THEY ARE NOT, THAT'S WHY THERE ARE SUBGENRES. Did you not read the rest of the post explaining how or why? THE CORE OF MUSICAL THEORY IS BASED AROUND GENRES AND THE STRUCTURE OF MUSIC AND IS EXACTLY WHY CLASSICAL MUSIC HAS SUBGENRES. The classical music of Bach is not going to be the same as that of Claude Debussy BECAUSE THEY ARE IN A DIFFERENT CATEGORY AND MUSICAL STRUCTURE.
4627
« on: December 11, 2014, 05:05:41 PM »
You DO realize there are also different genres of classical music, right? Romantic, Baroque, etc? yes
but they're still classical music
just like tool is just a different kind of metal, but it's still metal
Tool isn't metal. Classical music has subgenres, yes, but it does NOT make them the same at all. Classical music of Bach and Mozart is more structured, in a way, while something like Romantic has more fluid movement, a lot more use of differing keys and notes, and some could argue, more raw emotion. Rather than making a running 16th note scale from C major to the next octave, Romantic would hit every sharp and flat on the way up and change to another key entirely to change the tone and feeling. Listen to Caprice Bohemien by Rachmaninov and you will notice this and his mastery of the genre and in particular the use of minor keys. Compare it to Beethoven's fourth piano concerto and the concerto is less fluid. They are not the same.
4628
« on: December 11, 2014, 04:55:38 PM »
One in the same according to Verb kinda, yeah
You DO realize there are also different genres of classical music, right? Romantic, Baroque, etc?
4629
« on: December 11, 2014, 04:54:48 PM »
One in the same according to Verb
I CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE LOL
4630
« on: December 11, 2014, 04:48:12 PM »
when i'm thinking about what kind of music i like, time signatures are the last thing that i think about
Not exactly the same. it is to me...
the guitars are louder and faster and the vocalist is growling
that doesn't make any real difference to me... it's just heavier metal
Except Tool isn't metal... I don't know how you're not able to discern the differences. Maybe it's just a thing musicians can do that the peasant rabble can't.
4631
« on: December 11, 2014, 04:40:48 PM »
i am curious, though
if tool isn't metal, what the fuck is?
Just progressive rock.
learn how to read, please
if tool isn't metal
then what bands are considered metal
i guarantee, they'll sound similar in some remote way to tool
Not exactly the same.
4632
« on: December 11, 2014, 03:23:29 AM »
Meanwhile I'm on Dark Soolz killing bosses like a baws
4633
« on: December 10, 2014, 05:19:04 PM »
Battlefield 3, Mass Effect 3, Skyrim, and Dark Souls
4634
« on: December 10, 2014, 05:17:06 PM »
Pancakes sound AMAZING
4635
« on: December 10, 2014, 03:54:19 PM »
The fries are the only really good thing they have anyways
4636
« on: December 10, 2014, 03:37:54 PM »
This is about eradication of an extreme and dangerous sect and terrorist ideals.
Are we eradicating terrorism, or Islam in general?
Cause in either way, bombing countries, committing executions, etc. isn't the correct way to fix either problem.
If eliminating Islam is what it takes then I'm all for it. A large faction that stems terrorism will be gone and I will not weep tears.
You do realize bombs, guns, executions, and torture are not the ways to defeat a religion, correct?
If anything, you're only going to strengthen extremist resolve.
You're right, determination and longevity of dropping those bombs will defeat a religion. A war until they break their resolve. They sure as hell won't stop if we do. We should bomb them back into whatever stone age they're still stuck in, and then some.
Because nobody will mind America committing genocide or try to stop America.
Wow. This is just something else. Have you ever met any of these people you hate so much?
That's not over the line, Icy. Stop editing my posts. OH GOD HE CALLED A CULTURE SAVAGE HOW TERRIBLE
Nope, you called me a savage for being Iranian. I grew up in America and hate Islamic culture for its injustices, but unlike you I'm not a racist.
inb4 more back pedaling
I wasn't calling YOU savage, the post was in context to the "savage kind" being people in the East.
inb4moregullibility
I already inb4'd you dude, why are you still back pedaling?
Nice try, but no cigar.
Why are you still falling for this? Your cigar sputtered out.
>be in skype
>[12/10/14 12:43:32 PM] http://sep7agon.net/index.php?topic=16598.new#new
[12/10/14 12:45:23 PM] man
[12/10/14 12:45:30 PM] i need to get bolder with my claims
[12/10/14 12:45:43 PM] i want to see how far i can take it before he says I'm trolling (if he ever does)
[12/10/14 12:45:55 PM]but now with a couple other people agreeing with me he might not
>biting this hard
I took it far enough to openly advocate genocide of the middle east and still wasn't called out. My mission is done.
You were called out several times.
Poor guy. He's lost his mind.
PFFF HAHAHA
Calling me a psycho or retard or etc. isn't calling me out. Nobody ever said anything about a troll.
Sorry to burst your bubble challenger, but it was fun. Let's play again another time yea?
LOL Semantics, really?
Jesus this is pathetic. I almost feel bad for you.
I'll say, you're damn gullible.
4637
« on: December 10, 2014, 03:36:03 PM »
This is about eradication of an extreme and dangerous sect and terrorist ideals.
Are we eradicating terrorism, or Islam in general?
Cause in either way, bombing countries, committing executions, etc. isn't the correct way to fix either problem.
If eliminating Islam is what it takes then I'm all for it. A large faction that stems terrorism will be gone and I will not weep tears.
You do realize bombs, guns, executions, and torture are not the ways to defeat a religion, correct?
If anything, you're only going to strengthen extremist resolve.
You're right, determination and longevity of dropping those bombs will defeat a religion. A war until they break their resolve. They sure as hell won't stop if we do. We should bomb them back into whatever stone age they're still stuck in, and then some.
Because nobody will mind America committing genocide or try to stop America.
Wow. This is just something else. Have you ever met any of these people you hate so much?
That's not over the line, Icy. Stop editing my posts. OH GOD HE CALLED A CULTURE SAVAGE HOW TERRIBLE
Nope, you called me a savage for being Iranian. I grew up in America and hate Islamic culture for its injustices, but unlike you I'm not a racist.
inb4 more back pedaling
I wasn't calling YOU savage, the post was in context to the "savage kind" being people in the East.
inb4moregullibility
I already inb4'd you dude, why are you still back pedaling?
Nice try, but no cigar.
Why are you still falling for this? Your cigar sputtered out.
>be in skype
>[12/10/14 12:43:32 PM] http://sep7agon.net/index.php?topic=16598.new#new
[12/10/14 12:45:23 PM] man
[12/10/14 12:45:30 PM] i need to get bolder with my claims
[12/10/14 12:45:43 PM] i want to see how far i can take it before he says I'm trolling (if he ever does)
[12/10/14 12:45:55 PM]but now with a couple other people agreeing with me he might not
>biting this hard
I took it far enough to openly advocate genocide of the middle east and still wasn't called out. My mission is done.
Oh Mad Max, disregard. This has been going on since last night since my first post. >[12/10/14 3:40:30 AM]JIM OMFG LOL [12/10/14 3:40:43 AM] i can't believe challengerX is taking me srsly right now [12/10/14 3:40:44 AM]http://sep7agon.net/index.php?topic=16598.new#new [12/10/14 3:40:47 AM] trolling so hard [12/10/14 3:41:05 AM]he thinks i actually advocate torture and torture on children lol [12/10/14 3:41:28 AM] i wanna see how exaggerated i can get before he calls bullshit and i burst his bubble Sorry you fell so hard for it. The way you replied so extreme was perfect.
4638
« on: December 10, 2014, 03:32:24 PM »
This is about eradication of an extreme and dangerous sect and terrorist ideals.
Are we eradicating terrorism, or Islam in general?
Cause in either way, bombing countries, committing executions, etc. isn't the correct way to fix either problem.
If eliminating Islam is what it takes then I'm all for it. A large faction that stems terrorism will be gone and I will not weep tears.
You do realize bombs, guns, executions, and torture are not the ways to defeat a religion, correct?
If anything, you're only going to strengthen extremist resolve.
You're right, determination and longevity of dropping those bombs will defeat a religion. A war until they break their resolve. They sure as hell won't stop if we do. We should bomb them back into whatever stone age they're still stuck in, and then some.
Because nobody will mind America committing genocide or try to stop America.
Wow. This is just something else. Have you ever met any of these people you hate so much?
That's not over the line, Icy. Stop editing my posts. OH GOD HE CALLED A CULTURE SAVAGE HOW TERRIBLE
Nope, you called me a savage for being Iranian. I grew up in America and hate Islamic culture for its injustices, but unlike you I'm not a racist.
inb4 more back pedaling
I wasn't calling YOU savage, the post was in context to the "savage kind" being people in the East.
inb4moregullibility
I already inb4'd you dude, why are you still back pedaling?
Nice try, but no cigar.
Why are you still falling for this? Your cigar sputtered out.
>be in skype
>[12/10/14 12:43:32 PM] http://sep7agon.net/index.php?topic=16598.new#new
[12/10/14 12:45:23 PM] man
[12/10/14 12:45:30 PM] i need to get bolder with my claims
[12/10/14 12:45:43 PM] i want to see how far i can take it before he says I'm trolling (if he ever does)
[12/10/14 12:45:55 PM]but now with a couple other people agreeing with me he might not
>biting this hard
I took it far enough to openly advocate genocide of the middle east and still wasn't called out. My mission is done.
You were called out several times.
Poor guy. He's lost his mind.
PFFF HAHAHA Calling me a psycho or retard or etc. isn't calling me out. Nobody ever said anything about a troll. Sorry to burst your bubble challenger, but it was fun. Let's play again another time yea?
4639
« on: December 10, 2014, 03:26:20 PM »
This is about eradication of an extreme and dangerous sect and terrorist ideals.
Are we eradicating terrorism, or Islam in general?
Cause in either way, bombing countries, committing executions, etc. isn't the correct way to fix either problem.
If eliminating Islam is what it takes then I'm all for it. A large faction that stems terrorism will be gone and I will not weep tears.
You do realize bombs, guns, executions, and torture are not the ways to defeat a religion, correct?
If anything, you're only going to strengthen extremist resolve.
You're right, determination and longevity of dropping those bombs will defeat a religion. A war until they break their resolve. They sure as hell won't stop if we do. We should bomb them back into whatever stone age they're still stuck in, and then some.
Because nobody will mind America committing genocide or try to stop America.
Wow. This is just something else. Have you ever met any of these people you hate so much?
That's not over the line, Icy. Stop editing my posts. OH GOD HE CALLED A CULTURE SAVAGE HOW TERRIBLE
Nope, you called me a savage for being Iranian. I grew up in America and hate Islamic culture for its injustices, but unlike you I'm not a racist.
inb4 more back pedaling
I wasn't calling YOU savage, the post was in context to the "savage kind" being people in the East.
inb4moregullibility
I already inb4'd you dude, why are you still back pedaling?
Nice try, but no cigar.
Why are you still falling for this? Your cigar sputtered out. >be in skype >[12/10/14 12:43:32 PM] http://sep7agon.net/index.php?topic=16598.new#new[12/10/14 12:45:23 PM] man [12/10/14 12:45:30 PM] i need to get bolder with my claims [12/10/14 12:45:43 PM] i want to see how far i can take it before he says I'm trolling (if he ever does) [12/10/14 12:45:55 PM]but now with a couple other people agreeing with me he might not >biting this hard I took it far enough to openly advocate genocide of the middle east and still wasn't called out. My mission is done.
4640
« on: December 10, 2014, 03:22:48 PM »
This is about eradication of an extreme and dangerous sect and terrorist ideals.
Are we eradicating terrorism, or Islam in general?
Cause in either way, bombing countries, committing executions, etc. isn't the correct way to fix either problem.
If eliminating Islam is what it takes then I'm all for it. A large faction that stems terrorism will be gone and I will not weep tears.
You do realize bombs, guns, executions, and torture are not the ways to defeat a religion, correct?
If anything, you're only going to strengthen extremist resolve.
You're right, determination and longevity of dropping those bombs will defeat a religion. A war until they break their resolve. They sure as hell won't stop if we do. We should bomb them back into whatever stone age they're still stuck in, and then some.
Because nobody will mind America committing genocide or try to stop America.
Wow. This is just something else. Have you ever met any of these people you hate so much?
That's not over the line, Icy. Stop editing my posts. OH GOD HE CALLED A CULTURE SAVAGE HOW TERRIBLE
Nope, you called me a savage for being Iranian. I grew up in America and hate Islamic culture for its injustices, but unlike you I'm not a racist.
inb4 more back pedaling
I wasn't calling YOU savage, the post was in context to the "savage kind" being people in the East. inb4moregullibility
4641
« on: December 10, 2014, 03:21:35 PM »
Honestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.
ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians.
You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that.
>Icywind
>Being this liberal
What a surprise. Torture the bastards, I say
You realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.
1. You need proof they did that
2. Even if they did, it was for good reason
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse
http://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/faqs%3A-what-are-ghost-detentions-and-black-sites
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-cia-torture-report-what-you-need-to-know/
http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.html
You're seriously going to sit there and say torturing children is good and useful?
Torture gets shit done
Had you read my links, you jingoistic fucktard, you'd know that it accomplished close to nothing and made our standing in the world even less.
Please, explain how torturing a child is useful. I really want to see just how brainwashed and retarded you are.
Because that kid is probably already indoctrinated into being a terrorist anyway and could give intel on possible hideouts and movements
Also
>being this mad
>throwing out insults
Calm your tits you hippie, I haven't insulted you have I?
I'm a hippie because I don't advocate torturing children? You're a fucking monster. You should be thrown into jail.
Yeah, I'm sure torturing someone who has been taught to hate America will love America after he gets tortured by Americans. And I'm sure he's smart enough and informed about every plan by AQ. Foolproof.
Jesus motherfucking christ. "LETS TORTURE CHILDREN SO THEY WONT BE TERRURISTS HURR DURR FREEDUM"
I'm a monster? Or I just view the world for what it really is? Someone has to do the dirty work.
But that's my point, if they're taught to hate America it won't matter as is. And I never said they would be informed and know of plans, that sounds stupid. I mean indirect intel. Also, children shouldn't be the primary target since there are individuals of greater value to capture.
NO CHILDREN SHOULD BE TORTURED YOU FUCKING PSYCHO
Who the fuck were your parents, Nazis? You don't fucking treat children like that.
Yes, somebody does have to do the dirty work. Cleaning up this mess the CIA made which accomplished NOTHING. You torture a known terrorist who has killed or orchestrated plans to kill or knows about important targets. You don't harm children.
SOMETIMES CHILDREN DO, THOUGH, AND THEIR SACRIFICE IS FOR THE BETTER OF ALL
No, my parents are conservatives who watch Fox News.
Some people can't stomach the gritty work that needs to be done to keep the world a little more safe, and this is one of those jobs. Civilian involvement is inevitable.
Children don't have any valid information. It's just not even a trustworthy source when it comes to interrogation. How can you be this brainwashed? These were sadistic people who tortured children for fun and to get the parents to talk who were also innocent civilians. There's no fucking excuse.
Same difference.
This isn't "gritty work", you sheep. A child is not a valid source of information, especially under duress. This is a clear violation of rights and their humanity, and NOTHING was gained from it. Do you understand that? NOTHING WAS GAINED. Will children inevitably get caught in the crossfire of a battle? Yes. Is it inevitable we torture children for absolutely no reason? Absolutely not. There is nothing to gain and nothing was gained. All we did is make more enemies and justify their cause.
Children don't need valid information, they could also be used as a method of psychological warfare for the enemy. There are no rules in war, so why try to limit ourselves in our effectiveness? It would let the enemy know, hey, we're not fucking around, you're gonna get fucked.
If nothing else then, children can be and should be used in a way to terrorize enemy morale.
Yes there are rules in war. There are universal human rights that we as the supposed leaders of the free world shouldn't violate.
Thank goodness you're not in any position of power. All you'd do is have America eternally hated by more and more people. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Really, now? That's why our enemies completely follow the bullshit rules we've laid out? That's why they torture and kill our POWs, suicide bomb crowds of civilians, behead people while screaming ALLAH AKBAR, and so on and so forth. No, there are no rules, and never should be any guidelines for something as brutal as war. All bets are off and it should be whatever it takes to win, no matter the cost. THAT is war, and THAT is exactly how the terrorists are fighting it. So why aren't we? We should torture all the people we can if it will break their morale, we should parade their broken bodies in the streets. We should have mass executions in towns that hide terror scum so they know we won't fuck around. They want to bomb civilian areas? Then so will we.
I know fully well what I'm talking about, I know what war means. Too many people want it to be civilized when it's anything but.
"Let's stop terrorism and win over our enemies by having mass executions of innocent civilians and torturing children then parading their bodies through the the streets. God Bless America :^)"
Who said anything about winning them over? This is about eradication of an extreme and dangerous sect and terrorist ideals. We're not trying to win over anybody, let them hate America all they want if it means we've destroyed their idealistic bullshit once and for all. If it means killing off a huge amount of these crazy bastards, then do it. It's better for everyone in the long run.
Eradicating their hatred of America is what will stop them from attacking the West. Making them hate us more by killing innocent people will only justify their cause. They'll have won completely.
You don't destroy a fucked up ideology by senseless killing, you show them why they're wrong. You defend yourself in the meanwhile, but you don't kill civilians. Get that through your head.
They will never stop hating America. Also, I fail to see how they've have won "completely" just by us using methods that need to be used. It's like finding a blown in half terrorist about to die in the street, waving his arm angrily at us saying "Ha, jokes on you, we won!". Really? Tell that to the other half of your body, you're dead and so is your culture. Bombed to nonexistence.
Honestly, that might need to be done. We should probably just bomb whole areas to rubble and craters. A couple nukes in the East might do the trick just like it did to Japan.
The terrorists have already defeated you. You've become so full of fear and hatred that you advocate doing the same shit we've sworn to stop. Who are you to tell them not to throw acid in the face of a little girl when you would gladly torture and kill children?
You're a lost cause.
No, I'm a successful troll. Jesus, I can't believe I could take it as far as claiming genocide is needed without being called out. You guys are funny.
*sigh* Just ask Jim and Zen. You honestly believe I'd advocate such extremes? LMFAO Guess I did a good enough job that you still think I'm not trolling. Thanks for the laugh though challenger, it helped make this thread explode.
4642
« on: December 10, 2014, 03:17:29 PM »
Honestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.
ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians.
You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that.
>Icywind
>Being this liberal
What a surprise. Torture the bastards, I say
You realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.
1. You need proof they did that
2. Even if they did, it was for good reason
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse
http://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/faqs%3A-what-are-ghost-detentions-and-black-sites
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-cia-torture-report-what-you-need-to-know/
http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.html
You're seriously going to sit there and say torturing children is good and useful?
Torture gets shit done
Had you read my links, you jingoistic fucktard, you'd know that it accomplished close to nothing and made our standing in the world even less.
Please, explain how torturing a child is useful. I really want to see just how brainwashed and retarded you are.
Because that kid is probably already indoctrinated into being a terrorist anyway and could give intel on possible hideouts and movements
Also
>being this mad
>throwing out insults
Calm your tits you hippie, I haven't insulted you have I?
I'm a hippie because I don't advocate torturing children? You're a fucking monster. You should be thrown into jail.
Yeah, I'm sure torturing someone who has been taught to hate America will love America after he gets tortured by Americans. And I'm sure he's smart enough and informed about every plan by AQ. Foolproof.
Jesus motherfucking christ. "LETS TORTURE CHILDREN SO THEY WONT BE TERRURISTS HURR DURR FREEDUM"
I'm a monster? Or I just view the world for what it really is? Someone has to do the dirty work.
But that's my point, if they're taught to hate America it won't matter as is. And I never said they would be informed and know of plans, that sounds stupid. I mean indirect intel. Also, children shouldn't be the primary target since there are individuals of greater value to capture.
NO CHILDREN SHOULD BE TORTURED YOU FUCKING PSYCHO
Who the fuck were your parents, Nazis? You don't fucking treat children like that.
Yes, somebody does have to do the dirty work. Cleaning up this mess the CIA made which accomplished NOTHING. You torture a known terrorist who has killed or orchestrated plans to kill or knows about important targets. You don't harm children.
SOMETIMES CHILDREN DO, THOUGH, AND THEIR SACRIFICE IS FOR THE BETTER OF ALL
No, my parents are conservatives who watch Fox News.
Some people can't stomach the gritty work that needs to be done to keep the world a little more safe, and this is one of those jobs. Civilian involvement is inevitable.
Children don't have any valid information. It's just not even a trustworthy source when it comes to interrogation. How can you be this brainwashed? These were sadistic people who tortured children for fun and to get the parents to talk who were also innocent civilians. There's no fucking excuse.
Same difference.
This isn't "gritty work", you sheep. A child is not a valid source of information, especially under duress. This is a clear violation of rights and their humanity, and NOTHING was gained from it. Do you understand that? NOTHING WAS GAINED. Will children inevitably get caught in the crossfire of a battle? Yes. Is it inevitable we torture children for absolutely no reason? Absolutely not. There is nothing to gain and nothing was gained. All we did is make more enemies and justify their cause.
Children don't need valid information, they could also be used as a method of psychological warfare for the enemy. There are no rules in war, so why try to limit ourselves in our effectiveness? It would let the enemy know, hey, we're not fucking around, you're gonna get fucked.
If nothing else then, children can be and should be used in a way to terrorize enemy morale.
Yes there are rules in war. There are universal human rights that we as the supposed leaders of the free world shouldn't violate.
Thank goodness you're not in any position of power. All you'd do is have America eternally hated by more and more people. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Really, now? That's why our enemies completely follow the bullshit rules we've laid out? That's why they torture and kill our POWs, suicide bomb crowds of civilians, behead people while screaming ALLAH AKBAR, and so on and so forth. No, there are no rules, and never should be any guidelines for something as brutal as war. All bets are off and it should be whatever it takes to win, no matter the cost. THAT is war, and THAT is exactly how the terrorists are fighting it. So why aren't we? We should torture all the people we can if it will break their morale, we should parade their broken bodies in the streets. We should have mass executions in towns that hide terror scum so they know we won't fuck around. They want to bomb civilian areas? Then so will we.
I know fully well what I'm talking about, I know what war means. Too many people want it to be civilized when it's anything but.
"Let's stop terrorism and win over our enemies by having mass executions of innocent civilians and torturing children then parading their bodies through the the streets. God Bless America :^)"
Who said anything about winning them over? This is about eradication of an extreme and dangerous sect and terrorist ideals. We're not trying to win over anybody, let them hate America all they want if it means we've destroyed their idealistic bullshit once and for all. If it means killing off a huge amount of these crazy bastards, then do it. It's better for everyone in the long run.
Eradicating their hatred of America is what will stop them from attacking the West. Making them hate us more by killing innocent people will only justify their cause. They'll have won completely.
You don't destroy a fucked up ideology by senseless killing, you show them why they're wrong. You defend yourself in the meanwhile, but you don't kill civilians. Get that through your head.
They will never stop hating America. Also, I fail to see how they've have won "completely" just by us using methods that need to be used. It's like finding a blown in half terrorist about to die in the street, waving his arm angrily at us saying "Ha, jokes on you, we won!". Really? Tell that to the other half of your body, you're dead and so is your culture. Bombed to nonexistence.
Honestly, that might need to be done. We should probably just bomb whole areas to rubble and craters. A couple nukes in the East might do the trick just like it did to Japan.
The terrorists have already defeated you. You've become so full of fear and hatred that you advocate doing the same shit we've sworn to stop. Who are you to tell them not to throw acid in the face of a little girl when you would gladly torture and kill children?
You're a lost cause.
No, I'm a successful troll. Jesus, I can't believe I could take it as far as claiming genocide is needed without being called out. You guys are funny.
4643
« on: December 10, 2014, 03:15:31 PM »
This is about eradication of an extreme and dangerous sect and terrorist ideals.
Are we eradicating terrorism, or Islam in general?
Cause in either way, bombing countries, committing executions, etc. isn't the correct way to fix either problem.
If eliminating Islam is what it takes then I'm all for it. A large faction that stems terrorism will be gone and I will not weep tears.
You do realize bombs, guns, executions, and torture are not the ways to defeat a religion, correct?
If anything, you're only going to strengthen extremist resolve.
You're right, determination and longevity of dropping those bombs will defeat a religion. A war until they break their resolve. They sure as hell won't stop if we do. We should bomb them back into whatever stone age they're still stuck in, and then some.
Your understanding of how extremist mentalities work is pretty lacking there m8.
You can't break the resolve of lunatics who will and are already quite happy to die in the name of their god. You can let them die off, whilst starving them of recruitment resources.
Bombing all of the middle east until it's a glass crater won't actually stop anything, it will radicalise the people who otherwise wouldn't give a shit. You bomb a village to kill 5 jihadis, you kill 5 civilians in the process and that's five more families that will send their sons to fight the west.
So bomb the families of those people too. It can work both ways - they send their sons to fight, we kill their sons and bomb their families until they cease fighting or cease to exist.
4644
« on: December 10, 2014, 03:13:41 PM »
This is about eradication of an extreme and dangerous sect and terrorist ideals.
Are we eradicating terrorism, or Islam in general?
Cause in either way, bombing countries, committing executions, etc. isn't the correct way to fix either problem.
If eliminating Islam is what it takes then I'm all for it. A large faction that stems terrorism will be gone and I will not weep tears.
You do realize bombs, guns, executions, and torture are not the ways to defeat a religion, correct?
If anything, you're only going to strengthen extremist resolve.
You're right, determination and longevity of dropping those bombs will defeat a religion. A war until they break their resolve. They sure as hell won't stop if we do. We should bomb them back into whatever stone age they're still stuck in, and then some.
Because nobody will mind America committing genocide or try to stop America.
Wow. This is just something else. Have you ever met any of these people you hate so much?
That's not over the line, Icy. Stop editing my posts. OH GOD HE CALLED A CULTURE SAVAGE HOW TERRIBLE
4645
« on: December 10, 2014, 03:10:44 PM »
Honestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.
ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians.
You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that.
>Icywind
>Being this liberal
What a surprise. Torture the bastards, I say
You realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.
1. You need proof they did that
2. Even if they did, it was for good reason
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse
http://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/faqs%3A-what-are-ghost-detentions-and-black-sites
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-cia-torture-report-what-you-need-to-know/
http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.html
You're seriously going to sit there and say torturing children is good and useful?
Torture gets shit done
Had you read my links, you jingoistic fucktard, you'd know that it accomplished close to nothing and made our standing in the world even less.
Please, explain how torturing a child is useful. I really want to see just how brainwashed and retarded you are.
Because that kid is probably already indoctrinated into being a terrorist anyway and could give intel on possible hideouts and movements
Also
>being this mad
>throwing out insults
Calm your tits you hippie, I haven't insulted you have I?
I'm a hippie because I don't advocate torturing children? You're a fucking monster. You should be thrown into jail.
Yeah, I'm sure torturing someone who has been taught to hate America will love America after he gets tortured by Americans. And I'm sure he's smart enough and informed about every plan by AQ. Foolproof.
Jesus motherfucking christ. "LETS TORTURE CHILDREN SO THEY WONT BE TERRURISTS HURR DURR FREEDUM"
I'm a monster? Or I just view the world for what it really is? Someone has to do the dirty work.
But that's my point, if they're taught to hate America it won't matter as is. And I never said they would be informed and know of plans, that sounds stupid. I mean indirect intel. Also, children shouldn't be the primary target since there are individuals of greater value to capture.
NO CHILDREN SHOULD BE TORTURED YOU FUCKING PSYCHO
Who the fuck were your parents, Nazis? You don't fucking treat children like that.
Yes, somebody does have to do the dirty work. Cleaning up this mess the CIA made which accomplished NOTHING. You torture a known terrorist who has killed or orchestrated plans to kill or knows about important targets. You don't harm children.
SOMETIMES CHILDREN DO, THOUGH, AND THEIR SACRIFICE IS FOR THE BETTER OF ALL
No, my parents are conservatives who watch Fox News.
Some people can't stomach the gritty work that needs to be done to keep the world a little more safe, and this is one of those jobs. Civilian involvement is inevitable.
Children don't have any valid information. It's just not even a trustworthy source when it comes to interrogation. How can you be this brainwashed? These were sadistic people who tortured children for fun and to get the parents to talk who were also innocent civilians. There's no fucking excuse.
Same difference.
This isn't "gritty work", you sheep. A child is not a valid source of information, especially under duress. This is a clear violation of rights and their humanity, and NOTHING was gained from it. Do you understand that? NOTHING WAS GAINED. Will children inevitably get caught in the crossfire of a battle? Yes. Is it inevitable we torture children for absolutely no reason? Absolutely not. There is nothing to gain and nothing was gained. All we did is make more enemies and justify their cause.
Children don't need valid information, they could also be used as a method of psychological warfare for the enemy. There are no rules in war, so why try to limit ourselves in our effectiveness? It would let the enemy know, hey, we're not fucking around, you're gonna get fucked.
If nothing else then, children can be and should be used in a way to terrorize enemy morale.
Yes there are rules in war. There are universal human rights that we as the supposed leaders of the free world shouldn't violate.
Thank goodness you're not in any position of power. All you'd do is have America eternally hated by more and more people. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Really, now? That's why our enemies completely follow the bullshit rules we've laid out? That's why they torture and kill our POWs, suicide bomb crowds of civilians, behead people while screaming ALLAH AKBAR, and so on and so forth. No, there are no rules, and never should be any guidelines for something as brutal as war. All bets are off and it should be whatever it takes to win, no matter the cost. THAT is war, and THAT is exactly how the terrorists are fighting it. So why aren't we? We should torture all the people we can if it will break their morale, we should parade their broken bodies in the streets. We should have mass executions in towns that hide terror scum so they know we won't fuck around. They want to bomb civilian areas? Then so will we.
I know fully well what I'm talking about, I know what war means. Too many people want it to be civilized when it's anything but.
"Let's stop terrorism and win over our enemies by having mass executions of innocent civilians and torturing children then parading their bodies through the the streets. God Bless America :^)"
Who said anything about winning them over? This is about eradication of an extreme and dangerous sect and terrorist ideals. We're not trying to win over anybody, let them hate America all they want if it means we've destroyed their idealistic bullshit once and for all. If it means killing off a huge amount of these crazy bastards, then do it. It's better for everyone in the long run.
Eradicating their hatred of America is what will stop them from attacking the West. Making them hate us more by killing innocent people will only justify their cause. They'll have won completely.
You don't destroy a fucked up ideology by senseless killing, you show them why they're wrong. You defend yourself in the meanwhile, but you don't kill civilians. Get that through your head.
They will never stop hating America. Also, I fail to see how they've have won "completely" just by us using methods that need to be used. It's like finding a blown in half terrorist about to die in the street, waving his arm angrily at us saying "Ha, jokes on you, we won!". Really? Tell that to the other half of your body, you're dead and so is your culture. Bombed to nonexistence. Honestly, that might need to be done. We should probably just bomb whole areas to rubble and craters. A couple nukes in the East might do the trick just like it did to Japan.
4646
« on: December 10, 2014, 03:05:25 PM »
This is about eradication of an extreme and dangerous sect and terrorist ideals.
Are we eradicating terrorism, or Islam in general?
Cause in either way, bombing countries, committing executions, etc. isn't the correct way to fix either problem.
If eliminating Islam is what it takes then I'm all for it. A large faction that stems terrorism will be gone and I will not weep tears.
You do realize bombs, guns, executions, and torture are not the ways to defeat a religion, correct?
If anything, you're only going to strengthen extremist resolve.
You're right, determination and longevity of dropping those bombs will defeat a religion. A war until they break their resolve. They sure as hell won't stop if we do. We should bomb them back into whatever stone age they're still stuck in, and then some.
4647
« on: December 10, 2014, 03:02:36 PM »
This is about eradication of an extreme and dangerous sect and terrorist ideals.
Are we eradicating terrorism, or Islam in general?
Cause in either way, bombing countries, committing executions, etc. isn't the correct way to fix either problem.
If eliminating Islam is what it takes then I'm all for it. A large faction that stems terrorism will be gone and I will not weep tears.
4648
« on: December 10, 2014, 03:01:10 PM »
No, there are no rules, and never should be any guidelines for something as brutal as war. All bets are off and it should be whatever it takes to win, no matter the cost. THAT is war, and THAT is exactly how the terrorists are fighting it.
This is about as archaic a belief as one can get.
So why aren't we?
Because we aren't underfunded militants fighting, what has essentially become, guerilla warfare.
That was Vietnam, and America was hated for it. Hell, still are.
We should torture all the people we can if it will break their morale, we should parade their broken bodies in the streets. We should have mass executions in towns that hide terror scum so they know we won't fuck around. They want to bomb civilian areas? Then so will we.
And guess what - that makes you the terrorists as well. You are saying we should torture anyone we can, parade broken dead bodies in the streets, and conduct mass executions?
You sound like ISIS.
Edit: Let's play nice.
4649
« on: December 10, 2014, 02:59:10 PM »
Honestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.
ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians.
You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that.
>Icywind
>Being this liberal
What a surprise. Torture the bastards, I say
You realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.
1. You need proof they did that
2. Even if they did, it was for good reason
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse
http://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/faqs%3A-what-are-ghost-detentions-and-black-sites
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-cia-torture-report-what-you-need-to-know/
http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.html
You're seriously going to sit there and say torturing children is good and useful?
Torture gets shit done
Had you read my links, you jingoistic fucktard, you'd know that it accomplished close to nothing and made our standing in the world even less.
Please, explain how torturing a child is useful. I really want to see just how brainwashed and retarded you are.
Because that kid is probably already indoctrinated into being a terrorist anyway and could give intel on possible hideouts and movements
Also
>being this mad
>throwing out insults
Calm your tits you hippie, I haven't insulted you have I?
I'm a hippie because I don't advocate torturing children? You're a fucking monster. You should be thrown into jail.
Yeah, I'm sure torturing someone who has been taught to hate America will love America after he gets tortured by Americans. And I'm sure he's smart enough and informed about every plan by AQ. Foolproof.
Jesus motherfucking christ. "LETS TORTURE CHILDREN SO THEY WONT BE TERRURISTS HURR DURR FREEDUM"
I'm a monster? Or I just view the world for what it really is? Someone has to do the dirty work.
But that's my point, if they're taught to hate America it won't matter as is. And I never said they would be informed and know of plans, that sounds stupid. I mean indirect intel. Also, children shouldn't be the primary target since there are individuals of greater value to capture.
NO CHILDREN SHOULD BE TORTURED YOU FUCKING PSYCHO
Who the fuck were your parents, Nazis? You don't fucking treat children like that.
Yes, somebody does have to do the dirty work. Cleaning up this mess the CIA made which accomplished NOTHING. You torture a known terrorist who has killed or orchestrated plans to kill or knows about important targets. You don't harm children.
SOMETIMES CHILDREN DO, THOUGH, AND THEIR SACRIFICE IS FOR THE BETTER OF ALL
No, my parents are conservatives who watch Fox News.
Some people can't stomach the gritty work that needs to be done to keep the world a little more safe, and this is one of those jobs. Civilian involvement is inevitable.
Children don't have any valid information. It's just not even a trustworthy source when it comes to interrogation. How can you be this brainwashed? These were sadistic people who tortured children for fun and to get the parents to talk who were also innocent civilians. There's no fucking excuse.
Same difference.
This isn't "gritty work", you sheep. A child is not a valid source of information, especially under duress. This is a clear violation of rights and their humanity, and NOTHING was gained from it. Do you understand that? NOTHING WAS GAINED. Will children inevitably get caught in the crossfire of a battle? Yes. Is it inevitable we torture children for absolutely no reason? Absolutely not. There is nothing to gain and nothing was gained. All we did is make more enemies and justify their cause.
Children don't need valid information, they could also be used as a method of psychological warfare for the enemy. There are no rules in war, so why try to limit ourselves in our effectiveness? It would let the enemy know, hey, we're not fucking around, you're gonna get fucked.
If nothing else then, children can be and should be used in a way to terrorize enemy morale.
Yes there are rules in war. There are universal human rights that we as the supposed leaders of the free world shouldn't violate.
Thank goodness you're not in any position of power. All you'd do is have America eternally hated by more and more people. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Really, now? That's why our enemies completely follow the bullshit rules we've laid out? That's why they torture and kill our POWs, suicide bomb crowds of civilians, behead people while screaming ALLAH AKBAR, and so on and so forth. No, there are no rules, and never should be any guidelines for something as brutal as war. All bets are off and it should be whatever it takes to win, no matter the cost. THAT is war, and THAT is exactly how the terrorists are fighting it. So why aren't we? We should torture all the people we can if it will break their morale, we should parade their broken bodies in the streets. We should have mass executions in towns that hide terror scum so they know we won't fuck around. They want to bomb civilian areas? Then so will we.
I know fully well what I'm talking about, I know what war means. Too many people want it to be civilized when it's anything but.
"Let's stop terrorism and win over our enemies by having mass executions of innocent civilians and torturing children then parading their bodies through the the streets. God Bless America :^)"
Who said anything about winning them over? This is about eradication of an extreme and dangerous sect and terrorist ideals. We're not trying to win over anybody, let them hate America all they want if it means we've destroyed their idealistic bullshit once and for all. If it means killing off a huge amount of these crazy bastards, then do it. It's better for everyone in the long run.
4650
« on: December 10, 2014, 02:53:40 PM »
Honestly those animals in ISIS deserve every way of torture possible.
ISIS wasn't even a group when this was going on. Not to mention a lot of detainees were innocent civilians.
You want to be subhuman garbage like ISIS and stoop to their level? Go ahead. But America shouldn't be about that.
>Icywind
>Being this liberal
What a surprise. Torture the bastards, I say
You realize a lot innocent civilians, including women and children were tortured in the black sites? Or do you enjoy being ignorant and chanting "USA" when you hear about torture? Fucking hell no wonder the world hates us.
1. You need proof they did that
2. Even if they did, it was for good reason
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse
http://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/faqs%3A-what-are-ghost-detentions-and-black-sites
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/the-cia-torture-report-what-you-need-to-know/
http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.html
You're seriously going to sit there and say torturing children is good and useful?
Torture gets shit done
Had you read my links, you jingoistic fucktard, you'd know that it accomplished close to nothing and made our standing in the world even less.
Please, explain how torturing a child is useful. I really want to see just how brainwashed and retarded you are.
Because that kid is probably already indoctrinated into being a terrorist anyway and could give intel on possible hideouts and movements
Also
>being this mad
>throwing out insults
Calm your tits you hippie, I haven't insulted you have I?
I'm a hippie because I don't advocate torturing children? You're a fucking monster. You should be thrown into jail.
Yeah, I'm sure torturing someone who has been taught to hate America will love America after he gets tortured by Americans. And I'm sure he's smart enough and informed about every plan by AQ. Foolproof.
Jesus motherfucking christ. "LETS TORTURE CHILDREN SO THEY WONT BE TERRURISTS HURR DURR FREEDUM"
I'm a monster? Or I just view the world for what it really is? Someone has to do the dirty work.
But that's my point, if they're taught to hate America it won't matter as is. And I never said they would be informed and know of plans, that sounds stupid. I mean indirect intel. Also, children shouldn't be the primary target since there are individuals of greater value to capture.
NO CHILDREN SHOULD BE TORTURED YOU FUCKING PSYCHO
Who the fuck were your parents, Nazis? You don't fucking treat children like that.
Yes, somebody does have to do the dirty work. Cleaning up this mess the CIA made which accomplished NOTHING. You torture a known terrorist who has killed or orchestrated plans to kill or knows about important targets. You don't harm children.
SOMETIMES CHILDREN DO, THOUGH, AND THEIR SACRIFICE IS FOR THE BETTER OF ALL
No, my parents are conservatives who watch Fox News.
Some people can't stomach the gritty work that needs to be done to keep the world a little more safe, and this is one of those jobs. Civilian involvement is inevitable.
Children don't have any valid information. It's just not even a trustworthy source when it comes to interrogation. How can you be this brainwashed? These were sadistic people who tortured children for fun and to get the parents to talk who were also innocent civilians. There's no fucking excuse.
Same difference.
This isn't "gritty work", you sheep. A child is not a valid source of information, especially under duress. This is a clear violation of rights and their humanity, and NOTHING was gained from it. Do you understand that? NOTHING WAS GAINED. Will children inevitably get caught in the crossfire of a battle? Yes. Is it inevitable we torture children for absolutely no reason? Absolutely not. There is nothing to gain and nothing was gained. All we did is make more enemies and justify their cause.
Children don't need valid information, they could also be used as a method of psychological warfare for the enemy. There are no rules in war, so why try to limit ourselves in our effectiveness? It would let the enemy know, hey, we're not fucking around, you're gonna get fucked.
If nothing else then, children can be and should be used in a way to terrorize enemy morale.
Yes there are rules in war. There are universal human rights that we as the supposed leaders of the free world shouldn't violate.
Thank goodness you're not in any position of power. All you'd do is have America eternally hated by more and more people. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Really, now? That's why our enemies completely follow the bullshit rules we've laid out? That's why they torture and kill our POWs, suicide bomb crowds of civilians, behead people while screaming ALLAH AKBAR, and so on and so forth. No, there are no rules, and never should be any guidelines for something as brutal as war. All bets are off and it should be whatever it takes to win, no matter the cost. THAT is war, and THAT is exactly how the terrorists are fighting it. So why aren't we? We should torture all the people we can if it will break their morale, we should parade their broken bodies in the streets. We should have mass executions in towns that hide terror scum so they know we won't fuck around. They want to bomb civilian areas? Then so will we. I know fully well what I'm talking about, I know what war means. Too many people want it to be civilized when it's anything but.
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