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6841
« on: December 08, 2014, 12:20:55 PM »
Not only would it have been horrid, it would have meant the end of America. In the long run, yeah, if they kept on pulling that shit. Offering just enough aid to keep their allies from being completely overrun while also making a profit from the Axis would obviously have to be a short-term deal. Your view of global politics is pretty laughable, no offense. Some taken. It was unprovoked. An embargo is not justification or provocation for an unannounced act of war.
An embargo that limits 80% of their oil and a good deal of their steel is by no means a justification but very definitely a provocation. An extremely petty one, mind you, and a thinly-veiled excuse to do something they would have done anyway, but still a provocation in this case.
6842
« on: December 08, 2014, 11:36:14 AM »
Knew it was going to be this quote the instant my eyes landed on the title.
6843
« on: December 08, 2014, 11:34:39 AM »
You don't seem to understand what I'm saying. Also, you seem to think America could've taken on Russia, Japan, and Germany all at the same time. ...Um, no? I never once mentioned Germany. If it was just Russia and Japan who, for some reason, allied despite despising one another, they wouldn't have much luck for the first few years against America after getting through two personal wars and facing countless casualties. Where does the money made from the deaths of all your allies come in handy? Use it to help those allies rebuild and put them in your debt. Do the same for Japan, Germany, and Italy to better international relations (which would by no means undo all the tension between them and America, obviously). Use it to build up the United States' own military if Japan and Russia decided to ally against them, improbable though it was. Not saying the US should have done this, though. That's horrid. America joined in the war as they should've done even earlier. What's done is done and it was for the better. Japan attacked unprovoked, end of story. They were provoked by America placing the embargo on oil and steel. That's been gone over. Now, if you mean it was an unjustified attack, I agree for the most part. And yes, it would have happened even if America hadn't placed the embargo, which would have made the attack unprovoked and wholly unjustified. However, America did place the embargo, which gave Japan all the reason they needed to launch their attack, so saying their assault on Pearl Harbor was 'unprovoked' is not entirely accurate.
6844
« on: December 08, 2014, 11:20:28 AM »
Once again, Japan fucking raped and murdered Chinese women and children and made Koreans girls into sex slaves. They deserved the embargos because America wasn't going to sit and watch as their resources were being used to commit mass human rights violations
Didn't say it was the ethical option. Just the most pragmatic.
6845
« on: December 08, 2014, 11:17:05 AM »
Tell me, when does the profit off the corpses of your allies help when you're cornered by two superpowers who absolutely detest your country?
Japan wouldn't have allied with Russia - they hated the Soviets as much as they hated us. They had just gotten out of their own war just before World War II broke out. Besides, even if they had, two world powers still recovering financially and militarily from their respective wars wouldn't be in any shape to corner anybody - least of all a richer-than-ever America. The idea of Japan and Russia allying against America is a dramatic one indeed, but it wouldn't actually happen.
6846
« on: December 07, 2014, 11:01:01 PM »
6847
« on: December 07, 2014, 10:54:35 PM »
Better.
6848
« on: December 07, 2014, 10:48:20 PM »
The two are not mutually exclusive. It's a matter of finding out how far you can get with both before one overtakes the other.
6849
« on: December 07, 2014, 10:38:52 PM »
6850
« on: December 07, 2014, 10:27:57 PM »
The original point has been addressed: the attack on Pearl Harbor was most definitely provoked.
You've failed to justify the claim that economic sanctions are tantamount to provocation of war.
You've failed to read the next few words. It's perfectly logical for America to cut off trade with a hostile nation actively fighting America's allies, But hardly profitable. and Japan surely anticipated that. If they did, they would have attacked before America cut off two of their most needed resources. In addition, it's obvious that the instigation of war wasn't an attempt to renew trade with America. Of course not, but it could have been put to use by America nonetheless. Regardless, that was hardly the point of my original post. But it is the point of the thread.
6851
« on: December 07, 2014, 10:20:23 PM »
Still not as bad as Halo's.
6852
« on: December 07, 2014, 10:19:26 PM »
It's incredibly short-sighted to think supplying Japan's war effort would have been good for the U.S. Imperial Japan's expansion throughout the region and alignment with the Axis currently decimating America's European allies was absolutely counter to American prosperity, and it would have been a huge slap in the face to continue war-profiteering from our allies' deaths. What did you think would have happened once Germany steamrolled through Europe and Japan conquered Asia? That Japan would thank them for the steel and oil and go on their merry way?
War logistics and supplying relies on neutrality. So, yes, even if America's allies were getting massacred by weapons made from steel imported from the US, it would still be profitable for America to keep exporting resources to both sides. Horrible? Of course. Profiting off human suffering? Most definitely. Pragmatic? Absolutely.
Japan was never in any way powerful enough to really defeat America. Even if the US had kept supplying them throughout the war and Japan turned on them at the end, it still would never have ended favorably for Japan. Also, the concept of Germany getting past Russia is a laughable one indeed.
So then Germany conquers Europe, Japan conquers Asia, Russia conquers Germany's Europe and Japan sides with them, then both converge on America.
Obviously it would have been profitable to continue selling to Japan, but thankfully FDR had a stronger ethical backbone than a desire for profit. The point still stands that economic sanctions aren't justification for the attack.
Didn't say it was the ethical option. Just the most pragmatic. Japan's main goal was to secure itself as a world power. Assuming they managed to conquer Asia, they'd be just as likely to side with America as they would be to side with Russia. But we digress. The original point has been addressed: the attack on Pearl Harbor was most definitely provoked. Justified? Debatable. But provoked nonetheless.
6853
« on: December 07, 2014, 10:03:40 PM »
It's incredibly short-sighted to think supplying Japan's war effort would have been good for the U.S. Imperial Japan's expansion throughout the region and alignment with the Axis currently decimating America's European allies was absolutely counter to American prosperity, and it would have been a huge slap in the face to continue war-profiteering from our allies' deaths. What did you think would have happened once Germany steamrolled through Europe and Japan conquered Asia? That Japan would thank them for the steel and oil and go on their merry way?
War logistics and supplying relies on neutrality. So, yes, even if America's allies were getting massacred by weapons made from steel imported from the US, it would still be profitable for America to keep exporting resources to both sides. Horrible? Of course. Profiting off human suffering? Most definitely. Pragmatic? Absolutely. Japan was never in any way powerful enough to really defeat America. Even if the US had kept supplying them throughout the war and Japan turned on them at the end, it still would never have ended favorably for Japan. Also, the concept of Germany getting past Russia is a laughable one indeed.
6854
« on: December 07, 2014, 09:48:20 PM »
Pearl Harbor was an unprovoked act of war against America.
No, they were provoked by America withholding oil and steel from the Japanese. It was either go to war or collapse from lack of resources.
I'm a little confused how you think going to war is a solution to the problem of America withholding resources. Japan was actively fighting against their allies, and America had zero obligation to continue trade with them.
Giving Japan resources to continue their war would have been exactly in America's best interest. They were getting paid to keep Japan fighting, and therefore run low on steel and oil and thus need to pay more to get more steel and oil. Couple that with how America's allies were doing the same, and America was doing pretty good. Withholding those two resources was about the stupidest thing the US could have done, as they not only cut off a huge source of money, they got Japan good and pissed enough to send in an air fleet.
6855
« on: December 07, 2014, 09:43:08 PM »
It's everything Destiny should be, but isn't.
6856
« on: December 07, 2014, 09:36:54 PM »
Pearl Harbor was an unprovoked act of war against America.
No, they were provoked by America withholding oil and steel from the Japanese. It was either go to war or collapse from lack of resources.
6857
« on: December 07, 2014, 05:31:03 PM »
Well isn't that pleasant.
6858
« on: December 07, 2014, 05:27:38 PM »
beyonce, anthony weiner
I'm very sorry to hear that.
6859
« on: December 07, 2014, 04:54:52 PM »
They are, in most places. It's only a few people like you who think they aren't.
6860
« on: December 07, 2014, 04:51:53 PM »
Plasma would expand into harmless gas a few seconds after leaving the gun, so I guess clear.
6861
« on: December 07, 2014, 03:29:29 PM »
Odin promised to get rid of all the frost giants. I don't see any frost giants.
6862
« on: December 07, 2014, 01:13:08 PM »
If you didn't have Voporak, just toss out your entire collection of Bionicles, it ain't worth shit.
6863
« on: December 07, 2014, 01:11:54 PM »
My brother Xepher That's a badass name.
6864
« on: December 06, 2014, 04:46:22 PM »
You haven't seen anybody take their games seriously until you've played CyberNations.
6865
« on: December 06, 2014, 03:50:56 PM »
Of course they don't.
6866
« on: December 06, 2014, 03:50:20 PM »
I wasn't expecting more than one person two have not played Skyrim.
6867
« on: December 06, 2014, 03:46:53 PM »
However that only came about because people bitched about the Tau not being grimdark enough.
If there's one unambiguously good faction in Warhammer 40k, then whoever designed them missed the point completely.
6868
« on: December 06, 2014, 03:39:38 PM »
NSFW as in...?
Bodies/Bewbs/Slums?
Corpses, disfigured sick people, slums of slums, sick people bathing next to corpses in slums...
Bloody hell...
Not Hell, India.
They're interchangeable, really.
6869
« on: December 06, 2014, 03:33:43 PM »
the Tau,,,seem to keep their populations particularly content, instead of fearful.
You do know how they do that, right?
6870
« on: December 06, 2014, 02:48:55 PM »
I'd be okay if we just got rid of the ability to change usernames.
One system I like is that only moderators can change usernames, so if you want to change yours you have to ask them personally and thus can't change it to anything at any time.
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