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Serious / Re: A serious question to our more conservative members
« on: October 13, 2015, 01:51:22 PM »
I don't

The only person you'll find like that on this forum is PSU. You done making sweeping generalizations?

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Serious / Re: UN to investigate Murrica on Native Americans
« on: October 13, 2015, 01:22:40 PM »
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Many of the country's estimated 2.7 million Native Americans live in federally recognised tribal areas which are plagued with unemployment, alcoholism, high suicide rates, incest and other social problems.

This problem comes back to the tribe and people themselves. Natives just have a genetic problem with alcoholism, every one of my Native friends (and no this isn't an observation based off my own personal experiences, its a known fact)  I grew up with has grown up to have a drinking problem and their parents had drinking problems. Its no ones responsibility to handle that. As far as the poverty, besides the alcoholism, that's more related to the hierarchy of the tribes themselves. The "chieftans" more like CEOs and other higher ups horde all the money the tribe makes from casinos and what not and doesn't distribute it to the other tribal members. I've had a few family members that have worked in the accounting departments of the Chickasaw and Seminole tribes.

So no I don't have any fucking sympathy for them when they do it to themselves.

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Gaming / Re: New Destiny Class Unveiled
« on: October 13, 2015, 01:17:48 PM »
oh god they couldn't have made that and not known the meme surrounding it

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Serious / Re: UN to investigate Murrica on Native Americans
« on: October 13, 2015, 01:16:39 PM »
fuck off

You're right. This is only yet another instance of White, Conservative, Christian Males being persecuted
Literally no one gives a shit about those poor "mistreated" subhuman Natives

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Serious / Re: UN to investigate Murrica on Native Americans
« on: October 13, 2015, 01:11:31 PM »
fuck off

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The Flood / Re: Obama was so much worse than Bush and Clinton
« on: October 13, 2015, 01:03:46 PM »
what is 50 Cent and Michael Jordan's excuses? MJ used to play in the minor leagues FFS

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Serious / Re: Army: Women will have to register for the draft
« on: October 13, 2015, 12:52:43 PM »
Good. There's your equality you cunts, I hope you enjoy it.

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The Flood / Re: ITT: Das unboxes memes
« on: October 13, 2015, 12:42:54 PM »
I'm guessing its the 67?

or did you get the 63? I can't remember, too may meme knives too little time

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Serious / Re: Democratic Primary Debate #1
« on: October 13, 2015, 12:23:51 PM »
Webb seems like a moderate okay guy, let's see

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/James_Webb.htm

Abortion
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    Supports Roe v. Wade and abortion rights. (Jun 2006)
    Voted NO on restricting UN funding for population control policies. (Mar 2009)
    Voted NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)
    Voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion. (Mar 2008)
    Voted NO on barring HHS grants to organizations that perform abortions. (Oct 2007)
    Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)

cool

Budget & Economy
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    Top of economy doing great; but workers not. (Jan 2007)
    Voted YES on $192B additional anti-recession stimulus spending. (Jul 2009)
    Voted YES on modifying bankruptcy rules to avoid mortgage foreclosures. (May 2009)
    Voted YES on additional $825 billion for economic recovery package. (Feb 2009)
    Voted YES on $60B stimulus package for jobs, infrastructure, & energy. (Sep 2008)
    Voted NO on paying down federal debt by rating programs' effectiveness. (Mar 2007)
    Reform mortgage rules to prevent foreclosure & bankruptcy. (Feb 2008)
 

nothing to bad i guess, I'm not a huge fan of the government saving business from failure but I digress

Civil Rights
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Supports civil unions; opposes constitutional ban. (Jun 2006)
    Opposes constitutional ban of gay marriage. (Jun 2006)
    Government’s power should end at my front door. (Apr 2006)
    Realign politics by union of Scots-Irish & African Americans. (Jan 2006)
    ENDA: prohibit employment discrimination for gays. (Jun 2009)
   
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Affirmative action should apply to African-Americans only. (Sep 2006)

FUCK off
okay besides that Affirmative action bullshit i can deal

Corporation
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    If you've got capital, you're feeling pretty good. (Oct 2014)
    GOP puts corporate interests first; Dems put workers first. (Apr 2006)
    Rated 86% by UFCW, indicating an anti-management/pro-labor record. (May 2012)

ew unions pls go

Crime
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    Voted NO on reinstating $1.15 billion funding for the COPS Program. (Mar 2007)
    Reduce recidivism by giving offenders a Second Chance. (Mar 2007)

alright

Foreign Policy
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    We need a clearly articulated doctrine for the Mideast. (Oct 2014)
    Arab Spring: stay out if no Americans at risk. (Oct 2014)
    Focus on strategic threats like China, not Iraq. (Apr 2006)
    Voted YES on cooperating with India as a nuclear power. (Oct 2008)
    Rated +1 by AAI, indicating a mixed Arab/Palestine voting record. (May 2012)
    Allow travel between the United States and Cuba. (Feb 2009)

sure

Free Trade
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    Enforce existing trade laws to create fair trade. (May 2006)
    GOP free trade dream world costs American jobs. (Apr 2006)
    Voted YES on promoting free trade with Peru. (Dec 2007)

okay

Government Reform
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    Increasing number of lobbyists is a problem. (Jun 2006)
    Culture of corruption in Washington needs real reform. (Apr 2006)
    Voted YES on Congressional pay raise. (Jul 2009)
    Voted YES on providing a US House seat for the District of Columbia. (Feb 2009)
    Voted YES on granting the District of Columbia a seat in Congress. (Sep 2007)
    Voted NO on requiring photo ID to vote in federal elections. (Jul 2007)

cool

Gun Control
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    Voted YES on allowing firearms in checked baggage on Amtrak trains. (Apr 2009)
    Voted YES on prohibiting foreign & UN aid that restricts US gun ownership. (Sep 2007)
    Allow veterans to register unlicensed guns acquired abroad. (Jun 2011)
    Ban gun registration & trigger lock law in Washington DC. (Mar 2007)
    Dangerousness, not mental incompetence, limits gun rights. (Mar 2009)

wow this guy is a democrat?

Homeland Security
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    President should consult Congress about POW exchanges. (Jun 2014)
    No draft; 5% tax break to recruit soldiers. (Sep 2006)
    Continue terrorist interrogations within Geneva Accord rules. (Sep 2006)
    Wrote “Women Can’t Fight” in ‘79; now OK with military women. (Sep 2006)
    Decisions about women in military should be made militarily. (Sep 2006)
    Supports don’t ask, don’t tell rule for military. (Jun 2006)
    Quit Reagan administration protesting cuts to Navy budget. (Jun 2006)
    Republicans are illegally wiretapping Americans. (Apr 2006)
    Added soldiers’ statue to Vietnam Memorial. (Jan 2006)
    Voted YES on extending the PATRIOT Act's roving wiretaps. (Feb 2011)
    Voted NO on cutting $221M in benefits to Filipinos who served in WWII US Army. (Apr 2008)
    Voted YES on requiring FISA court warrant to monitor US-to-foreign calls. (Feb 2008)
    Voted YES on removing need for FISA warrant for wiretapping abroad. (Aug 2007)
    Voted YES on limiting soldiers' deployment to 12 months. (Jul 2007)
    Voted YES on implementing the 9/11 Commission report. (Mar 2007)
    Repeal Don't-Ask-Don't-Tell, and reinstate discharged gays. (Mar 2010)

i'm okay with this

Immigration
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    Secure the border first; them deal with other aspects. (Oct 2006)
    Tamper-proof ID card; stricter enforcement against employers. (Jun 2006)
    Allow illegal immigrants a path to citizenship. (Jun 2006)
    Voted YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities". (Mar 2008)
    Voted NO on comprehensive immigration reform. (Jun 2007)
    Voted YES on declaring English as the official language of the US government. (Jun 2007)
    Voted YES on eliminating the "Y" nonimmigrant guestworker program. (May 2007)

cool

Jobs
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    I will lead the ANTI out-sourcing of American jobs. (Apr 2006)
    Voted YES on extending unemployment benefits from 39 weeks to 59 weeks. (Nov 2008)
    Voted YES on overriding presidential veto of Farm Bill. (Jun 2008)
    Voted NO on terminating legal challenges to English-only job rules. (Mar 2008)
    Voted YES on limiting farm subsidies to people earning under $750,000. (Dec 2007)
    Voted YES on restricting employer interference in union organizing. (Jun 2007)
    Voted YES on increasing minimum wage to $7.25. (Feb 2007)
    Ban discriminatory compensation; allow 2 years to sue. (Jan 2009)

Eh, once again unions pls go

Tax Reform
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    Our tax policy is creating a permanent underclass. (May 2006)
    Our tax policies make no sense. (Apr 2006)
    Voted YES on increasing tax rate for people earning over $1 million. (Mar 2008)
    Voted NO on allowing AMT reduction without budget offset. (Mar 2008)
    Voted NO on raising the Death Tax exemption to $5M from $1M. (Feb 2008)
    Voted NO on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax. (Mar 2007)
    Voted NO on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million. (Mar 2007)

over my head tbh

Technology
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    Crumbling infrastructure results from failed leadership. (May 2006)
    Voted YES on $23B instead of $4.9B for waterway infrastructure. (Nov 2007)
    Permanent ban on state & local taxation of Internet access. (Oct 2007)

cool

War and Peace
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    Iraq invasion empowered Iran & led to sectarian violence. (Oct 2014)
    Anti-ISIS alliances are fluid; we've trained some ISIS. (Oct 2014)
    Bush took us into this war recklessly; we predicted chaos. (Jan 2007)
    Bush can join us in ending war, or we will show him the way. (Jan 2007)
    US has patiently endured a mismanaged war for 4 years. (Jan 2007)
    Shift toward diplomacy & leave Iraq in short order. (Jan 2007)
    No patriotism question when Eisenhower questioned Korean War. (Oct 2006)
    We’re burning out our troops in Iraq. (Sep 2006)
    Terrorists are in Iraq because we invaded, not vice-versa. (Sep 2006)
    Saddam and al Qaeda were natural enemies. (Sep 2006)
    Iran cooperated with US in Afghanistan, until “Axis of Evil”. (Sep 2006)
    $300B better spent on Iraqi containment. (Sep 2006)
    Convene international conference to involve others in Iraq. (Sep 2006)
    No Mideast peace as long as US forces are in Iraq. (Sep 2006)
    It was a mistake to go to Iraq; said so before Senate vote. (Jun 2006)
    America is fighting the wrong war in Iraq. (May 2006)
    Honors troops but questions Bush’s strategic errors. (Apr 2006)
    A cogent critic of the war in Iraq. (Jan 2006)
    Opposed the War on Iraq on pragmatic grounds. (Jan 2006)
    Voted NO on redeploying non-essential US troops out of Iraq in 9 months. (Dec 2007)
    Voted NO on designating Iran's Revolutionary Guards as terrorists. (Sep 2007)
    Voted YES on redeploying US troops out of Iraq by March 2008. (Mar 2007)

cool

All in all the guy seems pretty moderate the only big gripes I have about him is the fact he actually supports Affirmative Action to a certain extent and Unions. I'll be interested to see him speak. I don't hate him but I'm not sure if I like him. Too bad he probably has no chance but maybe he can get a VP spot

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Serious / Re: Democratic Primary Debate #1
« on: October 13, 2015, 12:18:37 PM »
Fox should totally host a democratic debate, that would be intersting

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Serious / Re: I don't understand why people were mad at Snowden.
« on: October 13, 2015, 12:16:53 PM »
Also China and Russia didn't need Snowden to give them information, they've accessed it themselves numerous times.

The guy doesn't want to be in Russia he hates what they're doing to their citizens even more than what we're doing. He doesn't have a choice. Any flight he gets on will guarantee him a quick arrest. After all his original destination was Iceland before he got stuck at Moscow. He's a patriot and loves his country and that's why he leaked what he did to reveal the immoral practices of the NSA.

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Serious / Re: Democratic Primary Debate #1
« on: October 13, 2015, 12:07:35 PM »
i guess i'll tune in for it

i just want to see if anyone tries to go for a hard offensive on Bernie.

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Serious / Re: I don't understand why people were mad at Snowden.
« on: October 13, 2015, 12:03:47 PM »
also for the shills that cry "but it protects me against muh terrorists" through the NSA's decade plus data collection on the public there have been a confirmed potential 4 plots thwarted. Of course the NSA has lied about this and lays claim to 54 plots thwarted without any evidence of those said cases existing.



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Serious / Re: I don't understand why people were mad at Snowden.
« on: October 13, 2015, 11:55:20 AM »
Everyone was perfectly willing to sacrifice their privacy to massive conglomerate corporations so they could get access to Google and Facebook for free, but as soon as the NSA was 'revealed' to be collecting metadata (which requires a legal warrant to investigate, and really has no bearing on your personal privacy) it was immediately painted as this huge comic book tier government conspiracy.
...you don't see the difference between being able to choose what information you publish online, and the information the government gathers on you without your consent?
Information being what exactly?

I feel like I need to emphasize this again, since you guys really don't understand the concept of Metadata.

Think of it as a catalogue. A descriptive list of what kind of data is being recorded. The NSA have absolutely no legal basis to investigate this data without a probable cause and a warrant.

Whilst I agree that the NSA has been getting a bit too big for its britches, this narrative that they were the American iteration of Big Brother is just patently false.
I take no issue with the NSA requiring a warrant to investigate. My issue is that any data is being collected by default.

But my point remains that there is a difference between the information I willingly post online versus the information that is collected by the government without my consent.
It's not even YOUR personal data though. It's just descriptive transcripts of what kind of data is being communicated.

It's basically the difference between a police car patrolling the streets at night to a cop busting down your door without a warrant or a probable cause. The latter is illegal, the former isn't.
How are data transcripts not my personal data?
Because metadata is simply data that describes the data. They aren't allowed to open up your emails or trawl through your bank account history contrary to what everyone believes.
But that metadata is describing my personal data. I don't understand how you can separate the two. Regardless of what they can actually "see", the fact that any data is being collected by default is the issue. Data should only be collected once a warrant is obtained.
All that would do is render counter terrorism and domestic threats so astronomically difficult to tackle and you'd still have just as much privacy as you did before.
...so because my right to privacy makes it difficult for the government to spy on me, I should feel bad?
Except the NSA isn't spying on you. You are conflating the examination of metadata which is completely anonymous and discreet with the actual invasion of someone's data. I'm not sure what else to say. Metadata is not your data, nor is it anyway linked to your privacy.
I don't think you really understand what metadata is...
What exactly do you think it is then?
its data about data but put through the right algorithm it can find innumerable details about the data its looking at.

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Serious / Re: I don't understand why people were mad at Snowden.
« on: October 13, 2015, 11:54:26 AM »
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Simply put, metadata is data about data. It is descriptive information about a particular data set, object, or resource, including how it is formatted, and when and by whom it was collected. Although metadata most commonly refers to web resources, it can be about either physical or electronic resources. It may be created automatically using software or entered by hand.

The underlying concepts of metadata have been in use for as long as collections of information have been organized. For example, the information structure for materials in library card catalogs is a type of metadata that has served as a collection management and resource discovery tool for decades.
https://kb.iu.edu/d/aopm

An example of metadata would be mp3 tagging; things like album art, track title, album name, track number, and genre. The music itself isn't metadata, just the things that describe it in the file.
Yeah and the NSA can build a very detailed profile of a person off of that.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/just-how-much-personal-information-does-phone-metadata-reveal/

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/phone-call-metadata-information-authorities

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/06/metadata-can-tell-the-government-more-about-you-than-the-content-of-your-phonecalls.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2013/08/27/heres-how-phone-metadata-can-reveal-your-affairs-abortions-and-other-secrets/

they don't need the exact details. They can connect dots upon dots to make the complete picture

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Serious / Re: I don't understand why people were mad at Snowden.
« on: October 13, 2015, 11:42:10 AM »
Everyone was perfectly willing to sacrifice their privacy to massive conglomerate corporations so they could get access to Google and Facebook for free, but as soon as the NSA was 'revealed' to be collecting metadata (which requires a legal warrant to investigate, and really has no bearing on your personal privacy) it was immediately painted as this huge comic book tier government conspiracy.
...you don't see the difference between being able to choose what information you publish online, and the information the government gathers on you without your consent?
Information being what exactly?

I feel like I need to emphasize this again, since you guys really don't understand the concept of Metadata.

Think of it as a catalogue. A descriptive list of what kind of data is being recorded. The NSA have absolutely no legal basis to investigate this data without a probable cause and a warrant.

Whilst I agree that the NSA has been getting a bit too big for its britches, this narrative that they were the American iteration of Big Brother is just patently false.
I take no issue with the NSA requiring a warrant to investigate. My issue is that any data is being collected by default.

But my point remains that there is a difference between the information I willingly post online versus the information that is collected by the government without my consent.
It's not even YOUR personal data though. It's just descriptive transcripts of what kind of data is being communicated.

It's basically the difference between a police car patrolling the streets at night to a cop busting down your door without a warrant or a probable cause. The latter is illegal, the former isn't.
How are data transcripts not my personal data?
Because metadata is simply data that describes the data. They aren't allowed to open up your emails or trawl through your bank account history contrary to what everyone believes.
But that metadata is describing my personal data. I don't understand how you can separate the two. Regardless of what they can actually "see", the fact that any data is being collected by default is the issue. Data should only be collected once a warrant is obtained.
All that would do is render counter terrorism and domestic threats so astronomically difficult to tackle and you'd still have just as much privacy as you did before.
...so because my right to privacy makes it difficult for the government to spy on me, I should feel bad?
Except the NSA isn't spying on you. You are conflating the examination of metadata which is completely anonymous and discreet with the actual invasion of someone's data. I'm not sure what else to say. Metadata is not your data, nor is it anyway linked to your privacy.
I don't think you really understand what metadata is...

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Serious / Re: I don't understand why people were mad at Snowden.
« on: October 13, 2015, 10:07:57 AM »
He is a traitor. Dude exposes all this info, acts like he's doing the right thing, but then leaves the country. He knew he was wrong and that's why he ran like a little bitch.
You're aware there's a lot more he could have exposed but chose not to in the interest of protecting people? And yeah you'd run too if you were going to be unlawfully arrested.

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The Flood / Re: Synonymous Users
« on: October 13, 2015, 09:34:52 AM »
Comet is rule 63 LC

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Serious / Re: I don't understand why people were mad at Snowden.
« on: October 13, 2015, 09:22:42 AM »
Plus, you need to already have probable cause before being given a warrant to access the data.
That only happened back in July and its still an invasion of privacy.

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Serious / Re: What do you intend to gain from discussions?
« on: October 13, 2015, 06:36:59 AM »
Knowledge

2121
The Flood / Re: Just turned 15
« on: October 13, 2015, 06:36:19 AM »
Finally legal

2122
The Flood / Re: Gravity vs. Interstellar vs. The Martian
« on: October 13, 2015, 12:43:48 AM »
Doesn't matter cause 2001 is better than them all

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The Flood / Re: Hey there sharp shots!
« on: October 13, 2015, 12:39:01 AM »
Mmmm she's purdy

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The Flood / Re: SNAP INTO A SLIM JIM BROTHER
« on: October 13, 2015, 12:05:49 AM »

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The Flood / Re: SNAP INTO A SLIM JIM BROTHER
« on: October 13, 2015, 12:03:23 AM »
RANDY SAVAGE LIVES

OH YEAH

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The Flood / Re: yutaka should be demoted
« on: October 13, 2015, 12:00:33 AM »
this thread can be locked now, the issue has been resolved

thank you LC

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The Flood / Re: If the 50 states went to war, which would win?
« on: October 12, 2015, 11:44:28 PM »
Commiefornia lacks the guns
Are you fucking kidding? Do you know how many blacks and cholos live there?
>implying they wouldn't just kill each other

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The Flood / Re: yutaka should be demoted
« on: October 12, 2015, 11:16:58 PM »

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The Flood / Re: Things you've always been enamored with
« on: October 12, 2015, 11:12:27 PM »
haha you literally got cucked and lost the group dude

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The Flood / Re: If the 50 states went to war, which would win?
« on: October 12, 2015, 11:10:15 PM »
Texas

Commiefornia lacks the guns

or Colorado since it has a huge amount of bases and would be suicide to invade

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