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« on: January 19, 2015, 04:35:15 PM »
Realtalk here, apart from the troll personas, does anyone on this site actually think the gold standard is a good alternative?
The only two people I know of are Kinder and Cam. But their grasp of economics is tenuous, at best.
Nice false assumption. I simply stated it's far superior to what we currently have, but if we were serious as a species monetary systems would already be obsolete, but society is far too dependent and naive to make it happen, partially due to the failed economy.
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« on: January 19, 2015, 04:34:05 PM »
The evidence is on my side, as the debt increased exponentially during that time and prices of goods and services skyrocketed. No. . . No they didn't. The size of the debt fluctuated and inflation averaged around 2pc for the entire period, and nominal income was pretty much exactly on trend. Monetary policy during the 23-year Moderation was as close to perfect as you're likely to get.
Among many reasons, such as completely incompetent policies and criminal wars. That has nothing to do with monetary tightening.
The fact the size changed so dramatically proves there was a problem. Except the administration averaged something like a stead 3.5-4pc annual growth rate. . . That's not dramatic.
That's completely untrue. It has plenty to do with it. Ya, trillion dollars is chump change.
603
« on: January 19, 2015, 04:27:48 PM »
The thing is, they should have known what they were getting in. They caused these problems to be so widespread, though. They have to be corrupt and enforce unjust laws which harm us all. It's very likely this officer has infringed upon others already, and if not, he would have or would be fired. Not to mention the fact cops often get vacations for murder, so it's understandable people wouldn't view them favorably. You think I didn't have to deal with messes as a security guard? I had plenty of scuffles. Respect has to be earned regardless of occupation.
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« on: January 19, 2015, 04:24:39 PM »
Except reality has proven it's not reliable and only enslaves future generations. Again, you've got about 23 years of evidence against you.
The fact there was tightening is due to corruption. Where did that come from? There was a tightening in response to an oil shock.
Except it hasn't worked, which is why the debt increased by over a trillion under Clinton. Again, I'm actually being reasonable and talking about relative to the size of the economy.
It's increased even more rapidly than that under George and Barack. I know, and that's due to disgusting policy decisions and fiscal profligacy on both their parts.
The evidence is on my side, as the debt increased exponentially during that time and prices of goods and services skyrocketed. Among many reasons, such as completely incompetent policies and criminal wars. The fact the size changed so dramatically proves there was a problem. True.
605
« on: January 19, 2015, 04:20:42 PM »
This forum is gay
Greetings, This Forum!
606
« on: January 19, 2015, 04:19:15 PM »
The fact that there had to be "easing" proves the system wasn't reliable. No, it proves there was a prior tightening which necessitates the easing. It has nothing to do with any sort of inherent unreliability of fiat currency which--as I've demonstrated in the OP--is more reliable than a gold standard anyway.
The "solution" you propose doesn't work Well it does, because it worked during the Clinton administration, it worked throughout the entirety of the Great Moderation and it has been working--although in a stunted manner--in response to the current Recession.
We're just delaying the inevitable. Again, more fearmongering. We've talking before about how Clinton managed to control the size of the debt relative to the economy.
Sorry, but I have common sense on my side. Unfortunately for you, however, you don't have the economics on your side.
And the economics, funnily enough, strikes me as more authoritative than your conception of common sense.
Except reality has proven it's not reliable and only enslaves future generations. The fact there was tightening is due to corruption. Except it hasn't worked, which is why the debt increased by over a trillion under Clinton. It's increased even more rapidly than that under George and Barack. You should fear the truth when it's this bad, and I proved Clinton had no control and the debt only increased still. The economics are clearly on my side.
607
« on: January 19, 2015, 04:15:32 PM »
Booty
But which booty? The superior male booty or the inferior female booty?
Only females are capable of possessing booties.
608
« on: January 19, 2015, 04:13:38 PM »
Awesome name
609
« on: January 19, 2015, 04:13:08 PM »
Booty
610
« on: January 19, 2015, 04:11:25 PM »
I likely would not.
What if they gave you Halo Wars?
611
« on: January 19, 2015, 04:08:49 PM »
The system we currently have has failed
Where, exactly? Don't get me wrong, the current Recession is the fault of poor governmental policy, but the solution isn't to throw out that policy. Not only do you reject the efficacy of a good monetary regime--wherein you have about 23 years of solid evidence against you--but you reject any sort of monetary easing in response to the current Recession--you have about seven years of solid evidence against you, there.
Sorry, but I'm the one with the empirics on my side.
You're missing countless variables and not seeing the whole picture. The fact that there had to be "easing" proves the system wasn't reliable. Also, nothing about the policies are good. The "solution" you propose doesn't work, it just delays the problems and makes the end result worse. We're just delaying the inevitable. It's why the world lowered our credit rating and people realize we'll never pay off our debts. We still have debt we're paying off on WORLD WAR I. If you think a country can run like this, why did the Roman Empire fall? The solution is ending this failed system and starting over. There is no fixing what we have now. Sorry, but I have common sense on my side. Go ahead and try to keep a house just by getting a bunch of credit cards and giving the bank Monopoly money.
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« on: January 19, 2015, 04:04:48 PM »
Innovation is irrelevant to the economy.
There's no way you're that ignorant. This is where the conversation ends.
The only ignorance is your own. It's about time you finally realized you are wrong, though. Coward.
613
« on: January 19, 2015, 04:03:18 PM »
And made everything worse.
Sorry, what?
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF MY GRAPH WOULD IT WIN THE ARGUMENT?
Careful, when the mods see that you're likely to get banned.
614
« on: January 19, 2015, 04:02:47 PM »
American Sniper was a great movie and Mr. Kyle was an outstanding American. God bless his soul for his heroic service to protecting American ideals and saving countless soldiers from insurgents.
Chris was a lying punk. Screw that worthless scum.
615
« on: January 19, 2015, 04:01:51 PM »
when Meta insults me after already being warned, nothing.
I didn't insult you. I called you delusional because you cling to beliefs in the face of insurmountable evidence. If that's an insult, then you calling me naive and 'squirt' all the time also crosses the threshold. You can't have it both ways.
That is an insult, especially considering I cling to the truth and provided proof of that. Calling you a naive squirt is an insult, I admit, but I might as well be able to get away with it as long as others are. At least when I call you naive I'm being honest and not lying like you.
616
« on: January 19, 2015, 04:00:36 PM »
It's definitely better when your currency is backed by actual value rather than empty promises and threats.
>actual value
I'm sorry, is the value of gold somehow not dependent on other people's valuations of it--that is to say, faith. I've demonstrated how the fiat currency system we currently have is far superior to gold--and by extension, any commodity specie--without even getting into the 20-odd year period of the Great Moderation.
If you want to present some real arguments and evidence for a change, then I'm open to it.
People assigning value that doesn't change dramatically except over time is far superior than an incompetent and corrupted entity having control and being able to change it however they desire to rob from us. You have only explained why you have no idea what you are talking about. The system we currently have has failed, already proving you wrong. I've already provided proof, you just refuse to acknowledge it because of your cognitive dissonance and blind propaganda worship.
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« on: January 19, 2015, 03:58:24 PM »
The fact you think debt doesn't matter shows how naive you are, exactly.
See you're not even paying attention--I didn't say that. I said the only proper way to measure the importance of the debt is in comparison to GDP; I actually think the debt at the moment is too big.
All you're doing is making wild claims with no evidence--no, common sense doesn't count, you economically illiterate dope--and making unfalsifiable claims. . . How has the economy become artificially inflated? How come we've actually seen real growth since then? How come nothing bad has happened over the course of this century-long, monolithic artificial inflations when we've seen throughout history that it doesn't take that long? You can't answer these questions properly because you're just presenting false of even insignificant propositions.
How come all of the reliable indicators from 1992 to 2006 show a near-perfect monetary framework that was, if anything, actually tight, from 2001-2006.
The only one making wild claims with no evidence other than the type that proves you wrong is yourself. Of course you aren't aware of common sense. There hasn't been growth, there's been delusion and we're worse off than ever before. Nothing bad has happened? Wow, you're legitimately that delusional? Look at the state of this world. Price increases, lack of jobs, massive debt, criminal wars, senseless deaths, unjust laws, infringements of our liberty and the income tax alone proves you wrong.
You know, in a serious debate you need cites and sources for your claims, not just wild, silly remarks like "You don't have common sense hurrrrr". Meta has been giving you sources for his claims.
His sources were irrelevant and proved him wrong, exactly. I have provided all the sources I need. If you actually read the thread you would know that.
618
« on: January 19, 2015, 03:57:45 PM »
There hasn't been growth
40 years ago the Internet didn't exist.
And? Innovation is irrelevant to the economy.
619
« on: January 19, 2015, 03:57:13 PM »
Meta's claims were obviously untrue.
What? I'm not the one claiming there's been no economic growth for the past century.
That's exactly why you are wrong.
620
« on: January 19, 2015, 03:56:51 PM »
The only obsession is your own. Calling someone delusional and naive are both insulting. I'm merely pointing out how horrid the site is in rule enforcement. Kinder had one of his posts edited in serious after a monitor told me it wasn't against the rules to insult others, Icy claimed this as well.
"Naive" and "delusional" are qualitatively different to "piss-poor mad asshat".
No, it's not. Both are irrelevant to the argument and unnecessary to bring up.
621
« on: January 19, 2015, 03:55:48 PM »
And made everything worse.
Sorry, what?
You've gone incoherent.
622
« on: January 19, 2015, 03:55:24 PM »
Look at what happened after we removed the Shah of Iran.
nigga wat
The Shah was a major regional ally of the US, who was overthrown by a popular revolution.
His allegiance to the US is the part of reason the Iranians hate us today.
We removed the Shah of Iran, and he was replaced by someone much worse. What are you talking about
623
« on: January 19, 2015, 03:54:22 PM »
Meta wasn't banned after insulting me after being warned just yesterday.
Oh my God, talk about obsession.
This must be the fifth time I've explained I didn't even insult you. If calling you fucking delusional is an insult, then so is you calling me naive. . .
Is it an insult if it's true?
It isn't necessarily insulting if you're making an observation, but Meta's claims were obviously untrue.
624
« on: January 19, 2015, 03:53:44 PM »
Meta wasn't banned after insulting me after being warned just yesterday.
Oh my God, talk about obsession.
This must be the fifth time I've explained I didn't even insult you. If calling you fucking delusional is an insult, then so is you calling me naive. . .
The only obsession is your own. Calling someone delusional and naive are both insulting. I'm merely pointing out how horrid the site is in rule enforcement. Kinder had one of his posts edited in serious after a monitor told me it wasn't against the rules to insult others, Icy claimed this as well.
625
« on: January 19, 2015, 03:51:10 PM »
All of those brushfire wars in irrelevant shitholes on the other side of the world? They exist so the ruling class can either profit from the use of very expensive consumable objects or use that war as a means of justifying their position as protectors that need to be there for your own good.
HA.
Yeah, because the government liked the idea of running around Tora Bora looking for bin Laden. Give the military some moral credence; they removed two fundamentalist Islamic governments in two keystone states.
And made everything worse. When we get involved we just cause misery and make ourselves broke. Look at what happened after we removed the Shah of Iran. Also, they quite obviously did not kill Osama. The man died nearly a decade ago.
626
« on: January 19, 2015, 03:49:36 PM »
Let's get it fucking straight folks, American snipers in Iraq would lay weapons and "materials to make IEDs" as bait then shoot anybody picking them up.
That's extremely wrong and inhumane.
627
« on: January 19, 2015, 03:49:00 PM »
If this were directed at Kyle I'd agree with him. Shooting civilians to up your kill count is pretty cowardly.
Sorry?
Are you referring to the woman he shot who was armed with a hand grenade in one hand and a baby in the other intent on killing a group of marines?
Because if you are, I'd have to strongly disagree with you there. But please by all means, clarify all the "innocent" civilians he's murdered.
I'm referring to how he apparently laid weapons on the ground and then shot anyone who went near them to boost his kill count.
Id have to go find one of doors threads on the subject of this guy. Everything on him seems to have been buried by this recent movie nonsense.
Not to mention the guy is a joke for lying about Jesse Ventura.
628
« on: January 19, 2015, 03:46:04 PM »
I was just told insults in comments will only result in bans if they're in a thread meant to call out users. Also, Meta wasn't banned after insulting me after being warned just yesterday. Want to look into that, or are you going to show everyone the enforcement is still based on favoritism?
629
« on: January 19, 2015, 03:42:19 PM »
The fact you think debt doesn't matter shows how naive you are, exactly.
See you're not even paying attention--I didn't say that. I said the only proper way to measure the importance of the debt is in comparison to GDP; I actually think the debt at the moment is too big.
All you're doing is making wild claims with no evidence--no, common sense doesn't count, you economically illiterate dope--and making unfalsifiable claims. . . How has the economy become artificially inflated? How come we've actually seen real growth since then? How come nothing bad has happened over the course of this century-long, monolithic artificial inflations when we've seen throughout history that it doesn't take that long? You can't answer these questions properly because you're just presenting false of even insignificant propositions.
How come all of the reliable indicators from 1992 to 2006 show a near-perfect monetary framework that was, if anything, actually tight, from 2001-2006.
The only one making wild claims with no evidence other than the type that proves you wrong is yourself. Of course you aren't aware of common sense. There hasn't been growth, there's been delusion and we're worse off than ever before. Nothing bad has happened? Wow, you're legitimately that delusional? Look at the state of this world. Price increases, lack of jobs, massive debt, criminal wars, senseless deaths, unjust laws, infringements of our liberty and the income tax alone proves you wrong.
630
« on: January 19, 2015, 03:38:25 PM »
This is the serious board.
Ahh, Kinder, the one the mods don't quite like, gets his posts edited. Of course, when Meta insults me after already being warned, nothing.
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