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« on: November 03, 2014, 06:05:00 PM »
Nothing, but I could never have enough booty.
2132
« on: November 03, 2014, 06:02:48 PM »
Is there any Kiyo or Isara booty in here?
2133
« on: November 03, 2014, 06:02:18 PM »
What makes you think I've got venom?
Enough of your games, Kiyo. Unless you want two years in the Cubes with a resistance charge.
You're not BA enough to be a judge.
Also 10 years in an iso-cube for smoking weed fgt
Warned ya. Get up, you're coming with me.
2134
« on: November 03, 2014, 06:01:36 PM »
He married Patrick Stewart. Case closed.
2135
« on: November 03, 2014, 05:58:22 PM »
What makes you think I've got venom?
Enough of your games, Kiyo. Unless you want two years in the Cubes with a resistance charge.
2136
« on: November 03, 2014, 05:56:10 PM »
I don't even know where to start with this one.
We have stopped genocides, we CAN stop them and we damn well should.
Genocide has been happening in Africa for at least 15,000 years. I'm not sure what you could do to stop it other than one ultimate genocide that reduces the population to near-nothingness.
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« on: November 03, 2014, 05:53:37 PM »
That is horrific, I apologize for that disgusting homo sapien.
Hey, can I ask a favor, though?
You're not getting to see my booty, go ask Korra or Isara!
Isara is too mean. And I was only going to ask for some venom. I pan to slay a dastardly creature in the morrow.
2138
« on: November 03, 2014, 03:09:09 PM »
I need to go to the store, and you guys are just big homo sapiens.
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« on: November 03, 2014, 03:04:08 PM »
Stopping a genocide.
My point was governments often lie or make things up to go to war in the first place.
They can do the reverse too.
The Clinton administration knew about the Rwandan genocide and did nothing.
No doubt, I don't know enough about the event you're speaking of to comment on it, though.
2140
« on: November 03, 2014, 03:03:34 PM »
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
If you stand by and let genocide occur, you are just as bad as the men with guns. It is the moral duty of every human being to prevent genocide and mass murder. To stand idly by and allow a murder to happen that you could prevent is to be just as culpable as pulling the trigger yourself, in my eyes. You are free to disagree of course, but this ties in to a previous discussion about the preciousness of life.
If someone is trying to jump off a bridge, and you stand by and let them or yell 'Do a flip faggot' you are a shitty person. If you turn a blind eye to a cry of help, you are a shitty person. Like I said, it's a moral duty to help others and it transcends any notions of race or country.
Sometimes we need to be realistic. There is NOTHING any country can do to stop the genocides in Africa. We performed a genocide ourselves forming this country. Sometimes you need to let a nation develop and revolt, just as we did. The people need to be ready before they can be helped. Just like how rehab is mostly pointless. We have to live within our own means. I'd argue the strongest thing we could do to help is by setting an example.
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« on: November 03, 2014, 02:56:21 PM »
Stopping a genocide.
My point was governments often lie or make things up to go to war in the first place.
2142
« on: November 03, 2014, 02:48:59 PM »
That girl that killed herself in either Oregon or Colorado, can't remember, is a terrorist that should be charged.
2143
« on: November 03, 2014, 02:45:23 PM »
There are times when the world has to act, atrocities cannot be allowed to occur because they don't concern your nation directly.
Like the Rwandan Genocide.
We could have prevented a lot of genocides. Sometimes our inaction where it would be lawful would have prevented them. Though, there's so much doubt in my mind. History is written by those that won. Even our first World War is in question, we may have falsely began it similar to Vietnam. However, after World War I it is partially our fault Germany came to power again.
2144
« on: November 03, 2014, 02:42:58 PM »
Many unjust wars have happened under the guise of those actions.
Give me one unjust war which has been carried out after the fulfillment of criterion C.
What is that?
2145
« on: November 03, 2014, 02:39:14 PM »
Policing the entire world isn't doable, especially when we're often the bad guys. Countries should only be worried about their own defenses.
I'm not advocating world policing.
I'm saying true world security requires collective action when A) the country harbours international criminals like terrorists, B) it threatens another nations sovereignty C) it is committing or will commit a genocide.
Those three requirements increase in importance.
Many unjust wars have happened under the guise of those actions. It's why the framers of this country didn't intend for us pick sides and only defend ourselves when threatened.
2146
« on: November 03, 2014, 02:37:49 PM »
So how can a small country like Belgium stand up to Nazi Germany? It can't, it gets crushed and turned into lebensraum if other more powerful nations don't step into the fight.
As sad as it is, tyrants exist, and it's not our business or duty until they are a threat to us. When we pick sides things just get nastier.
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« on: November 03, 2014, 02:36:38 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_Defense_Treaty
These things exist for a reason <.<
For tyrants to bully the world, ya. Doesn't make it justified or legal.
Whether you agree with defence treaties or not, they aren't illegal and are important for keeping the smaller countries safer from the bigger ones.
They contribute to stability in the same way that MAD does, although in different manners <.<
Country X doesn't invade country Y because then country Z will rip it's head off and shit down it's throat if it does.
Then why wouldn't we just make them part of our country so it WOULD be legal? Or acknowledge that the idea of countries in the first place is just silly.
How exactly would you incorporate a country on the other side of the world into your own? I mean it is possible but it's not very practical without essentially running it as a colony.
And I would disagree on the second point, people like order and countries weren't just dreamed up one day to draw lines around the world <.<
Humans evolved from tribal societies, the extension of a tribal society is a tribal state which then becomes a nation/country when it amalgamates other tribes under it's banner. Like the Romans for example <.<
That's why I'm against the idea entirely. Here's a quote from your favorite person... "Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto." -Thomas Jefferson Trade promotes peace, not allies. Forming alliances only creates tension and enemies while throwing around an artificial sense of authority. It does more harm than good and hemorrhages us as a country.
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« on: November 03, 2014, 02:30:50 PM »
Then why wouldn't we just make them part of our country so it WOULD be legal? Or acknowledge that the idea of countries in the first place is just silly.
Because people tend to prefer practical, pragmatic and, y'know, doable policies.
Policing the entire world isn't doable, especially when we're often the bad guys. Countries should only be worried about their own defenses.
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« on: November 03, 2014, 02:28:45 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_Defense_Treaty
These things exist for a reason <.<
For tyrants to bully the world, ya. Doesn't make it justified or legal.
Whether you agree with defence treaties or not, they aren't illegal and are important for keeping the smaller countries safer from the bigger ones.
They contribute to stability in the same way that MAD does, although in different manners <.<
Country X doesn't invade country Y because then country Z will rip it's head off and shit down it's throat if it does.
Then why wouldn't we just make them part of our country so it WOULD be legal? Or acknowledge that the idea of countries in the first place is just silly.
2150
« on: November 03, 2014, 02:25:45 PM »
I'll be taking my Nobel Peace Prize
You don't have enough drone strikes under your belt.
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« on: November 03, 2014, 02:24:45 PM »
Letting Iraq just rape and annex Kuwait would have been criminal
Which is why I support the '03 war.
Putting Hussein back in the 90s, letting him rape the Iraqi people and letting him rape the Kurds was more than criminal.
Yeah <.<
The justification we were given for going in in '03 was bollocks, but that doesn't mean that getting rid of Saddam was a bad thing. He was a piece of shit and seeing him swing isn't something to regret.
I don't give one iota of a care about that scum, trust me. I do care about the lack of due-process of law, the massive waste, the unnecessary deaths and unnecessary wars which drive kids in the military to have record suicide rates today but no one seems to give a piss about that. Perpetual war has always lead to the collapse of empires eventually.
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« on: November 03, 2014, 02:22:30 PM »
Because of all the shit that has happened since? Seriously, Cam?
You're supporting the continued existence of one of the worst tyrants the world has ever known alongside Hitler, Stalin and Milosevic simply because it created a power vacuum afterwards? I'm disappointed. Hussein was going to die eventually, better sooner than later.
Definitely because of what has happened. Look at when we took out the Shah of Iran, he was replaced by someone worse. Our involvements never making things better when our actions are criminal.
2154
« on: November 03, 2014, 02:21:12 PM »
I've already seen some punks with a phony sense of superiority. Huh, this thread is pretty ironic.
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« on: November 03, 2014, 02:18:56 PM »
Letting Iraq just rape and annex Kuwait would have been criminal
Which is why I support the '03 war.
Putting Hussein back in the 90s, letting him rape the Iraqi people and letting him rape the Kurds was more than criminal.
It was still counterproductive.
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« on: November 03, 2014, 02:18:19 PM »
I know you do, but the Gulf war is one of those justified wars <.<
Letting Iraq just rape and annex Kuwait would have been criminal, kicking them out of the country and blowing up the forces they send to try and take it back isn't comparable to say Vietnam or the present/former war in Iraq.
That would still be criminal on our part. We're not in charge of the protection of Kuwait. A war can only be justified when we are directly threatened or attacked.
2157
« on: November 03, 2014, 02:15:30 PM »
you're pretty dumd
HAHA! Wow! How embarrassing. That might be even worse than calling someone a "looser" or saying "your an idiot."
Huh? How is that a joke?
2158
« on: November 03, 2014, 02:14:39 PM »
Why would I shoot that murdering "president?" I'd have him locked up for life. Death is too good for that scum.
My choice would probably be Judge Andrew Napolitano. I could speak to him about things for an eternity.
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« on: November 03, 2014, 02:12:37 PM »
I was talking about the '03 Iraq War.
Oh silly me, I thought Camnator was laughing at the Gulf War being criminal <.<
Nevermind.
Well, I still consider most wars criminal. Our involvement in the middle east started long before that.
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« on: November 03, 2014, 02:10:22 PM »
you're pretty dumd
HAHA! Wow! How embarrassing. That might be even worse than calling someone a "looser" or saying "your an idiot."
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