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751
« on: March 18, 2015, 11:19:00 PM »
Who seriously leaves shit unlocked anymore? The criminal would break in the same way and fuck them up instead if I did not take his ass down with a gun Now you're making this into an issue of playing hero and saving the neighborhood rather than self-defense cause the intruder would already be at another house.
Getting into a car wreck is a random chance too. Even if you are a careful driver, you can still get into a wreck because of the OTHER driver's mistake or criminal activity. Just like you are getting wrecked right now
That's not what you said 5 minutes ago. Texting and driving means that YOU aren't looking at the road or being a careful driver, and YOU are putting yourself and other people in danger. Which I guess could be an accurate comparison to pulling a gun out at an armed intruder.
What I'm trying to get at, is that being defenceless is reckless and foolish. Why else do we wear seat belts? Why else do we have a fire extinguisher or fire hydrant. To be prepared for the unexpected
I won't debate the purpose of seatbelts or fire extinguishers, since those are designed for the purpose of saving or protecting people. Guns however, are designed specifically to kill or injure people. Even in a self-defense scenario, you will still have to kill or injure that person who has the gun pulled on you, and he will be well aware of that and will panic, either shooting you or fleeing. But is it really worth gambling your life over how an armed intruder will react your pulling a gun on him?
YES! Die on your knees or fight on your feet, which do you risk?
Neither.
I won't need to pick any of the above if I hide. 
Criminal finds you, dead. Well sir, great debate we are having. Criminals love to search houses that they think are empty of people.
Unless his aim was to simply rob your possessions.
And looky here, now our debate has come full circle, and we're repeating what we said before.
This just goes to show you, debates are pointless Obama
I don't care for any US political parties, believe me. US politics are fucking retarded.
Well, the way you are arguing, Obama and his party would love you.
The love would only be one way then, and I'll have to friendzone them. :/
They could still rape you in the friendzone. Hence why self-defense is important
They can't rape me in a country where they have no jurisdiction.
Or really? Who is the global leading currency. America! What we do, could and probably will affect you.
Of course it would. The world is very interconnected. Just in the same way that outside events can, have, and will affect the US.
Yep. The terrorist walk down our streets and gun down people... wait, how can that happen when they get shot by random citizens who are carrying?
I'm not talking about that sort of stuff. But tell me how many shootings have been stopped by random citizens who were carrying. Because I have yet to hear of one. All of them end with their suicide or when the SWAT team comes.
And most shootings end up with 1 or 2 deaths, if any. And the ones where more people have died, the attacker made preparations for dealing with carrying citizens.
The Media is one sided!! You have to find the positive news online for this stuff..
I had the NRA facebook page liked for like 2 years, and I didn't hear anything about it despite the fact that they crawled all over every positive gun story ever.
Most NRA news outlets are just cancerous OBUMMER'S GONNA TAKE YER GUNS stuff...
I hate their phone calls, but at least they don't want to restrict things. They advocate freedom to protect yourself
752
« on: March 18, 2015, 11:17:07 PM »
Who seriously leaves shit unlocked anymore? The criminal would break in the same way and fuck them up instead if I did not take his ass down with a gun Now you're making this into an issue of playing hero and saving the neighborhood rather than self-defense cause the intruder would already be at another house.
Getting into a car wreck is a random chance too. Even if you are a careful driver, you can still get into a wreck because of the OTHER driver's mistake or criminal activity. Just like you are getting wrecked right now
That's not what you said 5 minutes ago. Texting and driving means that YOU aren't looking at the road or being a careful driver, and YOU are putting yourself and other people in danger. Which I guess could be an accurate comparison to pulling a gun out at an armed intruder.
What I'm trying to get at, is that being defenceless is reckless and foolish. Why else do we wear seat belts? Why else do we have a fire extinguisher or fire hydrant. To be prepared for the unexpected
I won't debate the purpose of seatbelts or fire extinguishers, since those are designed for the purpose of saving or protecting people. Guns however, are designed specifically to kill or injure people. Even in a self-defense scenario, you will still have to kill or injure that person who has the gun pulled on you, and he will be well aware of that and will panic, either shooting you or fleeing. But is it really worth gambling your life over how an armed intruder will react your pulling a gun on him?
YES! Die on your knees or fight on your feet, which do you risk?
Neither.
I won't need to pick any of the above if I hide.
Criminal finds you, dead. Well sir, great debate we are having. Criminals love to search houses that they think are empty of people.
Unless his aim was to simply rob your possessions.
And looky here, now our debate has come full circle, and we're repeating what we said before.
This just goes to show you, debates are pointless Obama
I don't care for any US political parties, believe me. US politics are fucking retarded.
Well, the way you are arguing, Obama and his party would love you.
The love would only be one way then, and I'll have to friendzone them. :/
They could still rape you in the friendzone. Hence why self-defense is important
They can't rape me in a country where they have no jurisdiction.
Or really? Who is the global leading currency. America! What we do, could and probably will affect you.
Of course it would. The world is very interconnected. Just in the same way that outside events can, have, and will affect the US.
Yep. The terrorist walk down our streets and gun down people... wait, how can that happen when they get shot by random citizens who are carrying?
I'm not talking about that sort of stuff. But tell me how many shootings have been stopped by random citizens who were carrying. Because I have yet to hear of one. All of them end with their suicide or when the SWAT team comes.
And most shootings end up with 1 or 2 deaths, if any. And the ones where more people have died, the attacker made preparations for dealing with carrying citizens.
The Media is one sided!! You have to find the positive news online for this stuff..
I had the NRA facebook page liked for like 2 years, and I didn't hear anything about it despite the fact that they crawled all over every positive gun story ever.
The NRA doesn't even create half of those stories, they link you to the website that does. I do the same thing with Tech news.. I find tech news and then post it on facebook for quicker and easier action..
753
« on: March 18, 2015, 11:15:03 PM »
Who seriously leaves shit unlocked anymore? The criminal would break in the same way and fuck them up instead if I did not take his ass down with a gun Now you're making this into an issue of playing hero and saving the neighborhood rather than self-defense cause the intruder would already be at another house.
Getting into a car wreck is a random chance too. Even if you are a careful driver, you can still get into a wreck because of the OTHER driver's mistake or criminal activity. Just like you are getting wrecked right now
That's not what you said 5 minutes ago. Texting and driving means that YOU aren't looking at the road or being a careful driver, and YOU are putting yourself and other people in danger. Which I guess could be an accurate comparison to pulling a gun out at an armed intruder.
What I'm trying to get at, is that being defenceless is reckless and foolish. Why else do we wear seat belts? Why else do we have a fire extinguisher or fire hydrant. To be prepared for the unexpected
I won't debate the purpose of seatbelts or fire extinguishers, since those are designed for the purpose of saving or protecting people. Guns however, are designed specifically to kill or injure people. Even in a self-defense scenario, you will still have to kill or injure that person who has the gun pulled on you, and he will be well aware of that and will panic, either shooting you or fleeing. But is it really worth gambling your life over how an armed intruder will react your pulling a gun on him?
YES! Die on your knees or fight on your feet, which do you risk?
Neither.
I won't need to pick any of the above if I hide.
Criminal finds you, dead. Well sir, great debate we are having. Criminals love to search houses that they think are empty of people.
Unless his aim was to simply rob your possessions.
And looky here, now our debate has come full circle, and we're repeating what we said before.
This just goes to show you, debates are pointless Obama
I don't care for any US political parties, believe me. US politics are fucking retarded.
Well, the way you are arguing, Obama and his party would love you.
The love would only be one way then, and I'll have to friendzone them. :/
They could still rape you in the friendzone. Hence why self-defense is important
They can't rape me in a country where they have no jurisdiction.
Or really? Who is the global leading currency. America! What we do, could and probably will affect you.
Of course it would. The world is very interconnected. Just in the same way that outside events can, have, and will affect the US.
Yep. The terrorist walk down our streets and gun down people... wait, how can that happen when they get shot by random citizens who are carrying?
I'm not talking about that sort of stuff. But tell me how many shootings have been stopped by random citizens who were carrying. Because I have yet to hear of one. All of them end with their suicide or when the SWAT team comes.
And most shootings end up with 1 or 2 deaths, if any. And the ones where more people have died, the attacker made preparations for dealing with carrying citizens.
The Media is one sided on TV!! You have to find the positive news online for this stuff.. There are plenty of heroic citizens on the news daily!
754
« on: March 18, 2015, 11:14:14 PM »
I think Liberalism is the most disgusting thing humans have to deal with
755
« on: March 18, 2015, 11:11:33 PM »
Who seriously leaves shit unlocked anymore? The criminal would break in the same way and fuck them up instead if I did not take his ass down with a gun Now you're making this into an issue of playing hero and saving the neighborhood rather than self-defense cause the intruder would already be at another house.
Getting into a car wreck is a random chance too. Even if you are a careful driver, you can still get into a wreck because of the OTHER driver's mistake or criminal activity. Just like you are getting wrecked right now
That's not what you said 5 minutes ago. Texting and driving means that YOU aren't looking at the road or being a careful driver, and YOU are putting yourself and other people in danger. Which I guess could be an accurate comparison to pulling a gun out at an armed intruder.
What I'm trying to get at, is that being defenceless is reckless and foolish. Why else do we wear seat belts? Why else do we have a fire extinguisher or fire hydrant. To be prepared for the unexpected
I won't debate the purpose of seatbelts or fire extinguishers, since those are designed for the purpose of saving or protecting people. Guns however, are designed specifically to kill or injure people. Even in a self-defense scenario, you will still have to kill or injure that person who has the gun pulled on you, and he will be well aware of that and will panic, either shooting you or fleeing. But is it really worth gambling your life over how an armed intruder will react your pulling a gun on him?
YES! Die on your knees or fight on your feet, which do you risk?
Neither.
I won't need to pick any of the above if I hide.
Criminal finds you, dead. Well sir, great debate we are having. Criminals love to search houses that they think are empty of people.
Unless his aim was to simply rob your possessions.
And looky here, now our debate has come full circle, and we're repeating what we said before.
This just goes to show you, debates are pointless Obama
I don't care for any US political parties, believe me. US politics are fucking retarded.
Well, the way you are arguing, Obama and his party would love you.
The love would only be one way then, and I'll have to friendzone them. :/
They could still rape you in the friendzone. Hence why self-defense is important
They can't rape me in a country where they have no jurisdiction.
Or really? Who is the global leading currency. America! What we do, could and probably will affect you.
Of course it would. The world is very interconnected. Just in the same way that outside events can, have, and will affect the US.
Yep. The terrorist walk down our streets and gun down people... wait, how can that happen when they get shot by random citizens who are carrying? Get rid of guns, empower the terrorist, Terrorists win
756
« on: March 18, 2015, 11:06:05 PM »
Who seriously leaves shit unlocked anymore? The criminal would break in the same way and fuck them up instead if I did not take his ass down with a gun Now you're making this into an issue of playing hero and saving the neighborhood rather than self-defense cause the intruder would already be at another house.
Getting into a car wreck is a random chance too. Even if you are a careful driver, you can still get into a wreck because of the OTHER driver's mistake or criminal activity. Just like you are getting wrecked right now
That's not what you said 5 minutes ago. Texting and driving means that YOU aren't looking at the road or being a careful driver, and YOU are putting yourself and other people in danger. Which I guess could be an accurate comparison to pulling a gun out at an armed intruder.
What I'm trying to get at, is that being defenceless is reckless and foolish. Why else do we wear seat belts? Why else do we have a fire extinguisher or fire hydrant. To be prepared for the unexpected
I won't debate the purpose of seatbelts or fire extinguishers, since those are designed for the purpose of saving or protecting people. Guns however, are designed specifically to kill or injure people. Even in a self-defense scenario, you will still have to kill or injure that person who has the gun pulled on you, and he will be well aware of that and will panic, either shooting you or fleeing. But is it really worth gambling your life over how an armed intruder will react your pulling a gun on him?
YES! Die on your knees or fight on your feet, which do you risk?
Neither.
I won't need to pick any of the above if I hide.
Criminal finds you, dead. Well sir, great debate we are having. Criminals love to search houses that they think are empty of people.
Unless his aim was to simply rob your possessions.
And looky here, now our debate has come full circle, and we're repeating what we said before.
This just goes to show you, debates are pointless Obama
I don't care for any US political parties, believe me. US politics are fucking retarded.
Well, the way you are arguing, Obama and his party would love you.
The love would only be one way then, and I'll have to friendzone them. :/
They could still rape you in the friendzone. Hence why self-defense is important
They can't rape me in a country where they have no jurisdiction.
Or really? Who is the global leading currency. America! What we do, could and probably will affect you.
757
« on: March 18, 2015, 11:04:25 PM »
Who seriously leaves shit unlocked anymore? The criminal would break in the same way and fuck them up instead if I did not take his ass down with a gun Now you're making this into an issue of playing hero and saving the neighborhood rather than self-defense cause the intruder would already be at another house.
Getting into a car wreck is a random chance too. Even if you are a careful driver, you can still get into a wreck because of the OTHER driver's mistake or criminal activity. Just like you are getting wrecked right now
That's not what you said 5 minutes ago. Texting and driving means that YOU aren't looking at the road or being a careful driver, and YOU are putting yourself and other people in danger. Which I guess could be an accurate comparison to pulling a gun out at an armed intruder.
What I'm trying to get at, is that being defenceless is reckless and foolish. Why else do we wear seat belts? Why else do we have a fire extinguisher or fire hydrant. To be prepared for the unexpected
I won't debate the purpose of seatbelts or fire extinguishers, since those are designed for the purpose of saving or protecting people. Guns however, are designed specifically to kill or injure people. Even in a self-defense scenario, you will still have to kill or injure that person who has the gun pulled on you, and he will be well aware of that and will panic, either shooting you or fleeing. But is it really worth gambling your life over how an armed intruder will react your pulling a gun on him?
YES! Die on your knees or fight on your feet, which do you risk?
Neither.
I won't need to pick any of the above if I hide.
Criminal finds you, dead. Well sir, great debate we are having. Criminals love to search houses that they think are empty of people.
Unless his aim was to simply rob your possessions.
And looky here, now our debate has come full circle, and we're repeating what we said before.
This just goes to show you, debates are pointless Obama
I don't care for any US political parties, believe me. US politics are fucking retarded.
Well, the way you are arguing, Obama and his party would love you.
The love would only be one way then, and I'll have to friendzone them. :/
They could still rape you in the friendzone. Hence why self-defense is important
758
« on: March 18, 2015, 11:01:23 PM »
Who seriously leaves shit unlocked anymore? The criminal would break in the same way and fuck them up instead if I did not take his ass down with a gun Now you're making this into an issue of playing hero and saving the neighborhood rather than self-defense cause the intruder would already be at another house.
Getting into a car wreck is a random chance too. Even if you are a careful driver, you can still get into a wreck because of the OTHER driver's mistake or criminal activity. Just like you are getting wrecked right now
That's not what you said 5 minutes ago. Texting and driving means that YOU aren't looking at the road or being a careful driver, and YOU are putting yourself and other people in danger. Which I guess could be an accurate comparison to pulling a gun out at an armed intruder.
What I'm trying to get at, is that being defenceless is reckless and foolish. Why else do we wear seat belts? Why else do we have a fire extinguisher or fire hydrant. To be prepared for the unexpected
I won't debate the purpose of seatbelts or fire extinguishers, since those are designed for the purpose of saving or protecting people. Guns however, are designed specifically to kill or injure people. Even in a self-defense scenario, you will still have to kill or injure that person who has the gun pulled on you, and he will be well aware of that and will panic, either shooting you or fleeing. But is it really worth gambling your life over how an armed intruder will react your pulling a gun on him?
YES! Die on your knees or fight on your feet, which do you risk?
Neither.
I won't need to pick any of the above if I hide.
Criminal finds you, dead. Well sir, great debate we are having. Criminals love to search houses that they think are empty of people.
Unless his aim was to simply rob your possessions.
And looky here, now our debate has come full circle, and we're repeating what we said before.
This just goes to show you, debates are pointless Obama
I don't care for any US political parties, believe me. US politics are fucking retarded.
Well, the way you are arguing, Obama and his party would love you.
759
« on: March 18, 2015, 10:59:37 PM »
Who seriously leaves shit unlocked anymore? The criminal would break in the same way and fuck them up instead if I did not take his ass down with a gun Now you're making this into an issue of playing hero and saving the neighborhood rather than self-defense cause the intruder would already be at another house.
Getting into a car wreck is a random chance too. Even if you are a careful driver, you can still get into a wreck because of the OTHER driver's mistake or criminal activity. Just like you are getting wrecked right now
That's not what you said 5 minutes ago. Texting and driving means that YOU aren't looking at the road or being a careful driver, and YOU are putting yourself and other people in danger. Which I guess could be an accurate comparison to pulling a gun out at an armed intruder.
What I'm trying to get at, is that being defenceless is reckless and foolish. Why else do we wear seat belts? Why else do we have a fire extinguisher or fire hydrant. To be prepared for the unexpected
I won't debate the purpose of seatbelts or fire extinguishers, since those are designed for the purpose of saving or protecting people. Guns however, are designed specifically to kill or injure people. Even in a self-defense scenario, you will still have to kill or injure that person who has the gun pulled on you, and he will be well aware of that and will panic, either shooting you or fleeing. But is it really worth gambling your life over how an armed intruder will react your pulling a gun on him?
YES! Die on your knees or fight on your feet, which do you risk?
Neither.
I won't need to pick any of the above if I hide.
Criminal finds you, dead. Well sir, great debate we are having. Criminals love to search houses that they think are empty of people.
Unless his aim was to simply rob your possessions.
And looky here, now our debate has come full circle, and we're repeating what we said before.
This just goes to show you, debates are pointless Obama. I create my safety with my freedom.
760
« on: March 18, 2015, 10:57:06 PM »
Who seriously leaves shit unlocked anymore? The criminal would break in the same way and fuck them up instead if I did not take his ass down with a gun Now you're making this into an issue of playing hero and saving the neighborhood rather than self-defense cause the intruder would already be at another house.
Getting into a car wreck is a random chance too. Even if you are a careful driver, you can still get into a wreck because of the OTHER driver's mistake or criminal activity. Just like you are getting wrecked right now
That's not what you said 5 minutes ago. Texting and driving means that YOU aren't looking at the road or being a careful driver, and YOU are putting yourself and other people in danger. Which I guess could be an accurate comparison to pulling a gun out at an armed intruder.
What I'm trying to get at, is that being defenceless is reckless and foolish. Why else do we wear seat belts? Why else do we have a fire extinguisher or fire hydrant. To be prepared for the unexpected
I won't debate the purpose of seatbelts or fire extinguishers, since those are designed for the purpose of saving or protecting people. Guns however, are designed specifically to kill or injure people. Even in a self-defense scenario, you will still have to kill or injure that person who has the gun pulled on you, and he will be well aware of that and will panic, either shooting you or fleeing. But is it really worth gambling your life over how an armed intruder will react your pulling a gun on him?
YES! Die on your knees or fight on your feet, which do you risk?
Neither.
I won't need to pick any of the above if I hide.
Criminal finds you, dead. Well sir, great debate we are having. Criminals love to search houses that they think are empty of people.
761
« on: March 18, 2015, 10:41:36 PM »
Who seriously leaves shit unlocked anymore? The criminal would break in the same way and fuck them up instead if I did not take his ass down with a gun Now you're making this into an issue of playing hero and saving the neighborhood rather than self-defense cause the intruder would already be at another house.
Getting into a car wreck is a random chance too. Even if you are a careful driver, you can still get into a wreck because of the OTHER driver's mistake or criminal activity. Just like you are getting wrecked right now
That's not what you said 5 minutes ago. Texting and driving means that YOU aren't looking at the road or being a careful driver, and YOU are putting yourself and other people in danger. Which I guess could be an accurate comparison to pulling a gun out at an armed intruder.
What I'm trying to get at, is that being defenceless is reckless and foolish. Why else do we wear seat belts? Why else do we have a fire extinguisher or fire hydrant. To be prepared for the unexpected
I won't debate the purpose of seatbelts or fire extinguishers, since those are designed for the purpose of saving or protecting people. Guns however, are designed specifically to kill or injure people. Even in a self-defense scenario, you will still have to kill or injure that person who has the gun pulled on you, and he will be well aware of that and will panic, either shooting you or fleeing. But is it really worth gambling your life over how an armed intruder will react your pulling a gun on him?
YES! Die on your knees or fight on your feet, which do you risk?
762
« on: March 18, 2015, 10:39:14 PM »
dogs live in the present
always
there is no past, there is no future
only food, smell, sound, and shit
AND DUG!
are you in the holy land?
I'm in your mom making you a brother or sister
763
« on: March 18, 2015, 10:37:34 PM »
dogs live in the present
always
there is no past, there is no future
only food, smell, sound, and shit
Okay.. but what I'm trying to say is.. What if everything the animal perceives is moving slower and that's why it can catch the ball.
If things are seen to move slower, you have more time to respond to a quick situation, that is what I'm trying to say.
Then my dog must have been retarded :/
But yeah I get what you're saying. Interesting concept.
As someone earlier, said, everyone perceives differently.
764
« on: March 18, 2015, 10:35:27 PM »
dogs live in the present
always
there is no past, there is no future
only food, smell, sound, and shit
Okay.. but what I'm trying to say is.. What if everything the animal perceives is moving slower and that's why it can catch the ball.
If things are seen to move slower, you have more time to respond to a quick situation, that is what I'm trying to say.
765
« on: March 18, 2015, 10:33:51 PM »
Who seriously leaves shit unlocked anymore? The criminal would break in the same way and fuck them up instead if I did not take his ass down with a gun Now you're making this into an issue of playing hero and saving the neighborhood rather than self-defense cause the intruder would already be at another house.
Getting into a car wreck is a random chance too. Even if you are a careful driver, you can still get into a wreck because of the OTHER driver's mistake or criminal activity. Just like you are getting wrecked right now
That's not what you said 5 minutes ago. Texting and driving means that YOU aren't looking at the road or being a careful driver, and YOU are putting yourself and other people in danger. Which I guess could be an accurate comparison to pulling a gun out at an armed intruder.
What I'm trying to get at, is that being defenceless is reckless and foolish. Why else do we wear seat belts? Why else do we have a fire extinguisher or fire hydrant. To be prepared for the unexpected
766
« on: March 18, 2015, 10:29:52 PM »
Yes! Thank you for the game! I knew you were just trolling Jocephalopod | Legendary Invincible! the whole time! : D
767
« on: March 18, 2015, 10:28:08 PM »
What makes you think other humans perceive time the same way you do?
Did I say everyone perceives the speed and rate the world goes as I do? *Looks back at original post* Says We.. Seems legit
768
« on: March 18, 2015, 10:26:19 PM »
Why did they even let you handle guns when you were that young? I didn't shoot my first gun until I was 17. And even then, I never really got into shooting guns. Never clicked for me.
That's because you started to so late! 
My parents wanted to teach me while I was young so I could defend them if something ever happened in which they could not use it themselves.
Unless you train with a gun a lot and know exactly what you're doing, pulling a gun out at a burglar or armed intruder actually increases your likelihood of being fatally shot.
Too many unknowns for guns to be good for self-defense.
That was funny. It sounds like you said if I picked up a gun as a kid, the bullet would do a 180 and hit me in the face, right?
Uhhh...
No.
I mean it'd cause the burglar to shoot you before you get the chance to open fire. Cause you holding the gun is an unknown factor from his perspective, so he'd react to it by simply shooting you before you can aim the gun at him.
If a burglar breaks into your house, with a gun, their intention is to rob and shoot you and must be treated as such. He could have kidnapped me, raped me or shoot me if I didn't have that gun or know how to use it.
The shooting you part isn't true.
Sometimes that's his intention, sometimes it's not. But if you pull a gun on him, then his intention will sure as hell be to shoot you, cause now his life is on the line regardless of whether he planned to shoot you or not before.
And once justice catches up with him, it'll be murder of a miner. So the criminal doesn't care if he is or isn't following the law. Why should I ever have my right to defend myself lost, just because I am young?
There's a big difference between armed robbery and murder. And let's say I'm doing heroin or vandalizing something. Would this mean I'd go straight to murder just because I'd already be breaking the law?
Armed robbers, assuming they're carrying guns, do so pretty much solely for the reason that it'd scare you enough to comply with their demand, whether it's giving them your possessions/money, or whatever.
Lol, and all that is okay for the reason why I shouldn't know how to defend myself? Also, you can't plead insanity if you are drugs.
Because not everybody has the time to learn how to use guns properly. Chances are, they will be working a 9-5 job, and will be too exhausted once they return home to even think about learning how to use a gun. And you're getting confused by what defending yourself means.
Defending yourself would be hiding, or trying to stay away from the burglar. Pulling a gun out at a person who already has a gun pulled out is just idiocy which will get yourself killed.
Sounds like an excuse to me. There is always time to learn! Fight or Flight brah
How about you get a 9-5 job, and see how much energy you have left by the end of the day. And there always is time, but why should you prioritize trying to learn to handle a gun for a what-if situation rather than trying to connect with friends, or going out to eat, or vacationing?
Lol.. Are you serious!? Ever heard of weekends? Kids make friends at school or take trips on vacations. Being a parent is a JOB!
Yeah, and that's the stuff you'll be doing on weekends. Why should someone learn how to use guns when they can do all of those things I mentioned earlier?
Because making friends and going on vacations don't teach you how to defend yourself, it teaches you how to have fun, goof off and live a little. And if too excessive with those careless activities, it could lead to bad parenting.
Very few people actively think about what would be the best for them in the sole case of a burglar breaking into the house over trying to have a life. Like, I'm not gonna go back home from classes tomorrow thinking "Hey, what could I do today to learn more about self-defense and how to handle guns!". And if you're a parent, you'll have even less time to learn how to practice self-defense cause most of the free time you spend home is going towards raising your kid.
And teaching your kid proper defense of a life is RAISING YOUR KID! That and teaching a life is prescious and shouldn't be taken too lightly.
Which is something very few parents have the time, let alone desire for.
Then they shouldn't be a parent if they can't take the time to sit down, talk with their kids and raise them! Parents don't talk to their kids. They just assume they'll learn common sense all on their own.
Why should a parent teach something to a kid that has only a 1 in 1,000 chance in happening?
And honestly, just locking your doors and windows is a more effective way to stop burglaries than is learning how to handle a gun. And it takes like 5 minutes to explain to a child how to lock windows and doors. While it would take months, if not years to properly train a kid how to use a gun.
1 out of a 1,000?.. Nah, that could never happen to me. Just like texting and driving won't ver get me into a wreck.
Criminals can shoot out locks on doors, smash in windows. My parents taught me that too.. Wow.. those defenses stopped the seriously dangerous crimminal
And why would the criminal go through all that trouble to shoot the lock or smash the window, both which are extremely loud and would probably wake up the entire neighborhood, when he could just go nextdoor to the house whose doors and windows are unlocked so he could waltz right in.
Who seriously leaves shit unlocked anymore? The criminal would break in the same way and fuck them up instead if I did not take his ass down with a gun And even if he were dumb enough to smash the window or shoot the lock, it would wake you up and give you enough time to hide somewhere safe where he won't see you.
Not to mention that texting and driving is a stupid comparison to make, since that is something you are doing. While a criminal seeking out your house is a random chance. Unless he's a hitman, Getting into a car wreck is a random chance too. Even if you are a careful driver, you can still get into a wreck because of the OTHER driver's mistake or criminal activity. Just like you are getting wrecked right now
769
« on: March 18, 2015, 10:21:44 PM »
I change my mind:  ^THIS!
770
« on: March 18, 2015, 10:18:35 PM »
Why did they even let you handle guns when you were that young? I didn't shoot my first gun until I was 17. And even then, I never really got into shooting guns. Never clicked for me.
That's because you started to so late!
My parents wanted to teach me while I was young so I could defend them if something ever happened in which they could not use it themselves.
Unless you train with a gun a lot and know exactly what you're doing, pulling a gun out at a burglar or armed intruder actually increases your likelihood of being fatally shot.
Too many unknowns for guns to be good for self-defense.
That was funny. It sounds like you said if I picked up a gun as a kid, the bullet would do a 180 and hit me in the face, right?
Uhhh...
No.
I mean it'd cause the burglar to shoot you before you get the chance to open fire. Cause you holding the gun is an unknown factor from his perspective, so he'd react to it by simply shooting you before you can aim the gun at him.
If a burglar breaks into your house, with a gun, their intention is to rob and shoot you and must be treated as such. He could have kidnapped me, raped me or shoot me if I didn't have that gun or know how to use it.
The shooting you part isn't true.
Sometimes that's his intention, sometimes it's not. But if you pull a gun on him, then his intention will sure as hell be to shoot you, cause now his life is on the line regardless of whether he planned to shoot you or not before.
And once justice catches up with him, it'll be murder of a miner. So the criminal doesn't care if he is or isn't following the law. Why should I ever have my right to defend myself lost, just because I am young?
There's a big difference between armed robbery and murder. And let's say I'm doing heroin or vandalizing something. Would this mean I'd go straight to murder just because I'd already be breaking the law?
Armed robbers, assuming they're carrying guns, do so pretty much solely for the reason that it'd scare you enough to comply with their demand, whether it's giving them your possessions/money, or whatever.
Lol, and all that is okay for the reason why I shouldn't know how to defend myself? Also, you can't plead insanity if you are drugs.
Because not everybody has the time to learn how to use guns properly. Chances are, they will be working a 9-5 job, and will be too exhausted once they return home to even think about learning how to use a gun. And you're getting confused by what defending yourself means.
Defending yourself would be hiding, or trying to stay away from the burglar. Pulling a gun out at a person who already has a gun pulled out is just idiocy which will get yourself killed.
Sounds like an excuse to me. There is always time to learn! Fight or Flight brah
How about you get a 9-5 job, and see how much energy you have left by the end of the day. And there always is time, but why should you prioritize trying to learn to handle a gun for a what-if situation rather than trying to connect with friends, or going out to eat, or vacationing?
Lol.. Are you serious!? Ever heard of weekends? Kids make friends at school or take trips on vacations. Being a parent is a JOB!
Yeah, and that's the stuff you'll be doing on weekends. Why should someone learn how to use guns when they can do all of those things I mentioned earlier?
Because making friends and going on vacations don't teach you how to defend yourself, it teaches you how to have fun, goof off and live a little. And if too excessive with those careless activities, it could lead to bad parenting.
Very few people actively think about what would be the best for them in the sole case of a burglar breaking into the house over trying to have a life. Like, I'm not gonna go back home from classes tomorrow thinking "Hey, what could I do today to learn more about self-defense and how to handle guns!". And if you're a parent, you'll have even less time to learn how to practice self-defense cause most of the free time you spend home is going towards raising your kid.
And teaching your kid proper defense of a life is RAISING YOUR KID! That and teaching a life is prescious and shouldn't be taken too lightly.
Which is something very few parents have the time, let alone desire for.
Then they shouldn't be a parent if they can't take the time to sit down, talk with their kids and raise them! Parents don't talk to their kids. They just assume they'll learn common sense all on their own.
Why should a parent teach something to a kid that has only a 1 in 1,000 chance in happening?
And honestly, just locking your doors and windows is a more effective way to stop burglaries than is learning how to handle a gun. And it takes like 5 minutes to explain to a child how to lock windows and doors. While it would take months, if not years to properly train a kid how to use a gun.
1 out of a 1,000?.. Nah, that could never happen to me. Just like texting and driving won't ver get me into a wreck. Criminals can shoot out locks on doors, smash in windows. My parents taught me that too.. Wow.. those defenses stopped the seriously dangerous crimminal
771
« on: March 18, 2015, 10:14:57 PM »
Why did they even let you handle guns when you were that young? I didn't shoot my first gun until I was 17. And even then, I never really got into shooting guns. Never clicked for me.
That's because you started to so late!
My parents wanted to teach me while I was young so I could defend them if something ever happened in which they could not use it themselves.
Unless you train with a gun a lot and know exactly what you're doing, pulling a gun out at a burglar or armed intruder actually increases your likelihood of being fatally shot.
Too many unknowns for guns to be good for self-defense.
That was funny. It sounds like you said if I picked up a gun as a kid, the bullet would do a 180 and hit me in the face, right?
Uhhh...
No.
I mean it'd cause the burglar to shoot you before you get the chance to open fire. Cause you holding the gun is an unknown factor from his perspective, so he'd react to it by simply shooting you before you can aim the gun at him.
If a burglar breaks into your house, with a gun, their intention is to rob and shoot you and must be treated as such. He could have kidnapped me, raped me or shoot me if I didn't have that gun or know how to use it.
The shooting you part isn't true.
Sometimes that's his intention, sometimes it's not. But if you pull a gun on him, then his intention will sure as hell be to shoot you, cause now his life is on the line regardless of whether he planned to shoot you or not before.
And once justice catches up with him, it'll be murder of a miner. So the criminal doesn't care if he is or isn't following the law. Why should I ever have my right to defend myself lost, just because I am young?
There's a big difference between armed robbery and murder. And let's say I'm doing heroin or vandalizing something. Would this mean I'd go straight to murder just because I'd already be breaking the law?
Armed robbers, assuming they're carrying guns, do so pretty much solely for the reason that it'd scare you enough to comply with their demand, whether it's giving them your possessions/money, or whatever.
Lol, and all that is okay for the reason why I shouldn't know how to defend myself? Also, you can't plead insanity if you are drugs.
Because not everybody has the time to learn how to use guns properly. Chances are, they will be working a 9-5 job, and will be too exhausted once they return home to even think about learning how to use a gun. And you're getting confused by what defending yourself means.
Defending yourself would be hiding, or trying to stay away from the burglar. Pulling a gun out at a person who already has a gun pulled out is just idiocy which will get yourself killed.
Sounds like an excuse to me. There is always time to learn! Fight or Flight brah
How about you get a 9-5 job, and see how much energy you have left by the end of the day. And there always is time, but why should you prioritize trying to learn to handle a gun for a what-if situation rather than trying to connect with friends, or going out to eat, or vacationing?
Lol.. Are you serious!? Ever heard of weekends? Kids make friends at school or take trips on vacations. Being a parent is a JOB!
Yeah, and that's the stuff you'll be doing on weekends. Why should someone learn how to use guns when they can do all of those things I mentioned earlier?
Because making friends and going on vacations don't teach you how to defend yourself, it teaches you how to have fun, goof off and live a little. And if too excessive with those careless activities, it could lead to bad parenting.
Very few people actively think about what would be the best for them in the sole case of a burglar breaking into the house over trying to have a life. Like, I'm not gonna go back home from classes tomorrow thinking "Hey, what could I do today to learn more about self-defense and how to handle guns!". And if you're a parent, you'll have even less time to learn how to practice self-defense cause most of the free time you spend home is going towards raising your kid.
And teaching your kid proper defense of a life is RAISING YOUR KID! That and teaching a life is prescious and shouldn't be taken too lightly.
Which is something very few parents have the time, let alone desire for.
Then they shouldn't be a parent if they can't take the time to sit down, talk with their kids and raise them! Parents don't talk to their kids. They just assume they'll learn common sense all on their own. I've worked at a school for nearly five years now, I see it and I can tell by their interaction with their parent when they drop their kid off to school Love your kids or they won't love you
772
« on: March 18, 2015, 10:10:48 PM »
Why did they even let you handle guns when you were that young? I didn't shoot my first gun until I was 17. And even then, I never really got into shooting guns. Never clicked for me.
That's because you started to so late!
My parents wanted to teach me while I was young so I could defend them if something ever happened in which they could not use it themselves.
Unless you train with a gun a lot and know exactly what you're doing, pulling a gun out at a burglar or armed intruder actually increases your likelihood of being fatally shot.
Too many unknowns for guns to be good for self-defense.
That was funny. It sounds like you said if I picked up a gun as a kid, the bullet would do a 180 and hit me in the face, right?
Uhhh...
No.
I mean it'd cause the burglar to shoot you before you get the chance to open fire. Cause you holding the gun is an unknown factor from his perspective, so he'd react to it by simply shooting you before you can aim the gun at him.
If a burglar breaks into your house, with a gun, their intention is to rob and shoot you and must be treated as such. He could have kidnapped me, raped me or shoot me if I didn't have that gun or know how to use it.
The shooting you part isn't true.
Sometimes that's his intention, sometimes it's not. But if you pull a gun on him, then his intention will sure as hell be to shoot you, cause now his life is on the line regardless of whether he planned to shoot you or not before.
And once justice catches up with him, it'll be murder of a miner. So the criminal doesn't care if he is or isn't following the law. Why should I ever have my right to defend myself lost, just because I am young?
There's a big difference between armed robbery and murder. And let's say I'm doing heroin or vandalizing something. Would this mean I'd go straight to murder just because I'd already be breaking the law?
Armed robbers, assuming they're carrying guns, do so pretty much solely for the reason that it'd scare you enough to comply with their demand, whether it's giving them your possessions/money, or whatever.
Lol, and all that is okay for the reason why I shouldn't know how to defend myself? Also, you can't plead insanity if you are drugs.
Because not everybody has the time to learn how to use guns properly. Chances are, they will be working a 9-5 job, and will be too exhausted once they return home to even think about learning how to use a gun. And you're getting confused by what defending yourself means.
Defending yourself would be hiding, or trying to stay away from the burglar. Pulling a gun out at a person who already has a gun pulled out is just idiocy which will get yourself killed.
Sounds like an excuse to me. There is always time to learn! Fight or Flight brah
How about you get a 9-5 job, and see how much energy you have left by the end of the day. And there always is time, but why should you prioritize trying to learn to handle a gun for a what-if situation rather than trying to connect with friends, or going out to eat, or vacationing?
Lol.. Are you serious!? Ever heard of weekends? Kids make friends at school or take trips on vacations. Being a parent is a JOB!
Yeah, and that's the stuff you'll be doing on weekends. Why should someone learn how to use guns when they can do all of those things I mentioned earlier?
Because making friends and going on vacations don't teach you how to defend yourself, it teaches you how to have fun, goof off and live a little. And if too excessive with those careless activities, it could lead to bad parenting.
Very few people actively think about what would be the best for them in the sole case of a burglar breaking into the house over trying to have a life. Like, I'm not gonna go back home from classes tomorrow thinking "Hey, what could I do today to learn more about self-defense and how to handle guns!". And if you're a parent, you'll have even less time to learn how to practice self-defense cause most of the free time you spend home is going towards raising your kid.
And teaching your kid proper defense of a life is RAISING YOUR KID! That and teaching a life is precious and shouldn't be taken too lightly, but you must know there could be a time you may have to take a life to save another life.
773
« on: March 18, 2015, 10:05:46 PM »
Why did they even let you handle guns when you were that young? I didn't shoot my first gun until I was 17. And even then, I never really got into shooting guns. Never clicked for me.
That's because you started to so late!
My parents wanted to teach me while I was young so I could defend them if something ever happened in which they could not use it themselves.
Unless you train with a gun a lot and know exactly what you're doing, pulling a gun out at a burglar or armed intruder actually increases your likelihood of being fatally shot.
Too many unknowns for guns to be good for self-defense.
That was funny. It sounds like you said if I picked up a gun as a kid, the bullet would do a 180 and hit me in the face, right?
Uhhh...
No.
I mean it'd cause the burglar to shoot you before you get the chance to open fire. Cause you holding the gun is an unknown factor from his perspective, so he'd react to it by simply shooting you before you can aim the gun at him.
If a burglar breaks into your house, with a gun, their intention is to rob and shoot you and must be treated as such. He could have kidnapped me, raped me or shoot me if I didn't have that gun or know how to use it.
The shooting you part isn't true.
Sometimes that's his intention, sometimes it's not. But if you pull a gun on him, then his intention will sure as hell be to shoot you, cause now his life is on the line regardless of whether he planned to shoot you or not before.
And once justice catches up with him, it'll be murder of a miner. So the criminal doesn't care if he is or isn't following the law. Why should I ever have my right to defend myself lost, just because I am young?
There's a big difference between armed robbery and murder. And let's say I'm doing heroin or vandalizing something. Would this mean I'd go straight to murder just because I'd already be breaking the law?
Armed robbers, assuming they're carrying guns, do so pretty much solely for the reason that it'd scare you enough to comply with their demand, whether it's giving them your possessions/money, or whatever.
Lol, and all that is okay for the reason why I shouldn't know how to defend myself? Also, you can't plead insanity if you are drugs.
Because not everybody has the time to learn how to use guns properly. Chances are, they will be working a 9-5 job, and will be too exhausted once they return home to even think about learning how to use a gun. And you're getting confused by what defending yourself means.
Defending yourself would be hiding, or trying to stay away from the burglar. Pulling a gun out at a person who already has a gun pulled out is just idiocy which will get yourself killed.
Sounds like an excuse to me. There is always time to learn! Fight or Flight brah
How about you get a 9-5 job, and see how much energy you have left by the end of the day. And there always is time, but why should you prioritize trying to learn to handle a gun for a what-if situation rather than trying to connect with friends, or going out to eat, or vacationing?
Lol.. Are you serious!? Ever heard of weekends? Kids make friends at school or take trips on vacations. Being a parent is a JOB!
Yeah, and that's the stuff you'll be doing on weekends. Why should someone learn how to use guns when they can do all of those things I mentioned earlier?
Because making friends and going on vacations don't teach you how to defend yourself, it teaches you how to have fun, goof off and live a little. And if too excessive with those careless activities, it could lead to bad parenting.
774
« on: March 18, 2015, 10:04:17 PM »
"I have no mouth, and I must scream."
Telepathy brah, do you speak it!?
775
« on: March 18, 2015, 10:00:57 PM »
Why did they even let you handle guns when you were that young? I didn't shoot my first gun until I was 17. And even then, I never really got into shooting guns. Never clicked for me.
That's because you started to so late!
My parents wanted to teach me while I was young so I could defend them if something ever happened in which they could not use it themselves.
Unless you train with a gun a lot and know exactly what you're doing, pulling a gun out at a burglar or armed intruder actually increases your likelihood of being fatally shot.
Too many unknowns for guns to be good for self-defense.
That was funny. It sounds like you said if I picked up a gun as a kid, the bullet would do a 180 and hit me in the face, right?
Uhhh...
No.
I mean it'd cause the burglar to shoot you before you get the chance to open fire. Cause you holding the gun is an unknown factor from his perspective, so he'd react to it by simply shooting you before you can aim the gun at him.
If a burglar breaks into your house, with a gun, their intention is to rob and shoot you and must be treated as such. He could have kidnapped me, raped me or shoot me if I didn't have that gun or know how to use it.
The shooting you part isn't true.
Sometimes that's his intention, sometimes it's not. But if you pull a gun on him, then his intention will sure as hell be to shoot you, cause now his life is on the line regardless of whether he planned to shoot you or not before.
And once justice catches up with him, it'll be murder of a miner. So the criminal doesn't care if he is or isn't following the law. Why should I ever have my right to defend myself lost, just because I am young?
There's a big difference between armed robbery and murder. And let's say I'm doing heroin or vandalizing something. Would this mean I'd go straight to murder just because I'd already be breaking the law?
Armed robbers, assuming they're carrying guns, do so pretty much solely for the reason that it'd scare you enough to comply with their demand, whether it's giving them your possessions/money, or whatever.
Lol, and all that is okay for the reason why I shouldn't know how to defend myself? Also, you can't plead insanity if you are drugs.
Because not everybody has the time to learn how to use guns properly. Chances are, they will be working a 9-5 job, and will be too exhausted once they return home to even think about learning how to use a gun. And you're getting confused by what defending yourself means.
Defending yourself would be hiding, or trying to stay away from the burglar. Pulling a gun out at a person who already has a gun pulled out is just idiocy which will get yourself killed.
Sounds like an excuse to me. There is always time to learn! Fight or Flight brah
How about you get a 9-5 job, and see how much energy you have left by the end of the day. And there always is time, but why should you prioritize trying to learn to handle a gun for a what-if situation rather than trying to connect with friends, or going out to eat, or vacationing?
Lol.. Are you serious!? Ever heard of weekends? Kids make friends at school or while on vacation or to take trips on vacations. Being a parent is a JOB!
776
« on: March 18, 2015, 09:59:36 PM »
wort
That means Go in Sergeant Johnson English
777
« on: March 18, 2015, 09:51:00 PM »
Why did they even let you handle guns when you were that young? I didn't shoot my first gun until I was 17. And even then, I never really got into shooting guns. Never clicked for me.
That's because you started to so late!
My parents wanted to teach me while I was young so I could defend them if something ever happened in which they could not use it themselves.
Unless you train with a gun a lot and know exactly what you're doing, pulling a gun out at a burglar or armed intruder actually increases your likelihood of being fatally shot.
Too many unknowns for guns to be good for self-defense.
That was funny. It sounds like you said if I picked up a gun as a kid, the bullet would do a 180 and hit me in the face, right?
Uhhh...
No.
I mean it'd cause the burglar to shoot you before you get the chance to open fire. Cause you holding the gun is an unknown factor from his perspective, so he'd react to it by simply shooting you before you can aim the gun at him.
If a burglar breaks into your house, with a gun, their intention is to rob and shoot you and must be treated as such. He could have kidnapped me, raped me or shoot me if I didn't have that gun or know how to use it.
The shooting you part isn't true.
Sometimes that's his intention, sometimes it's not. But if you pull a gun on him, then his intention will sure as hell be to shoot you, cause now his life is on the line regardless of whether he planned to shoot you or not before.
And once justice catches up with him, it'll be murder of a miner. So the criminal doesn't care if he is or isn't following the law. Why should I ever have my right to defend myself lost, just because I am young?
There's a big difference between armed robbery and murder. And let's say I'm doing heroin or vandalizing something. Would this mean I'd go straight to murder just because I'd already be breaking the law?
Armed robbers, assuming they're carrying guns, do so pretty much solely for the reason that it'd scare you enough to comply with their demand, whether it's giving them your possessions/money, or whatever.
Lol, and all that is okay for the reason why I shouldn't know how to defend myself? Also, you can't plead insanity if you are drugs.
Because not everybody has the time to learn how to use guns properly. Chances are, they will be working a 9-5 job, and will be too exhausted once they return home to even think about learning how to use a gun. And you're getting confused by what defending yourself means.
Defending yourself would be hiding, or trying to stay away from the burglar. Pulling a gun out at a person who already has a gun pulled out is just idiocy which will get yourself killed.
Sounds like an excuse to me. There is always time to learn! Fight or Flight brah
778
« on: March 18, 2015, 09:46:24 PM »
Why did they even let you handle guns when you were that young? I didn't shoot my first gun until I was 17. And even then, I never really got into shooting guns. Never clicked for me.
That's because you started to so late!
My parents wanted to teach me while I was young so I could defend them if something ever happened in which they could not use it themselves.
Unless you train with a gun a lot and know exactly what you're doing, pulling a gun out at a burglar or armed intruder actually increases your likelihood of being fatally shot.
Too many unknowns for guns to be good for self-defense.
That was funny. It sounds like you said if I picked up a gun as a kid, the bullet would do a 180 and hit me in the face, right?
Uhhh...
No.
I mean it'd cause the burglar to shoot you before you get the chance to open fire. Cause you holding the gun is an unknown factor from his perspective, so he'd react to it by simply shooting you before you can aim the gun at him.
If a burglar breaks into your house, with a gun, their intention is to rob and shoot you and must be treated as such. He could have kidnapped me, raped me or shoot me if I didn't have that gun or know how to use it.
The shooting you part isn't true.
Sometimes that's his intention, sometimes it's not. But if you pull a gun on him, then his intention will sure as hell be to shoot you, cause now his life is on the line regardless of whether he planned to shoot you or not before.
And once justice catches up with him, it'll be murder of a miner. So the criminal doesn't care if he is or isn't following the law. Why should I ever have my right to defend myself lost, just because I am young?
There's a big difference between armed robbery and murder. And let's say I'm doing heroin or vandalizing something. Would this mean I'd go straight to murder just because I'd already be breaking the law?
Armed robbers, assuming they're carrying guns, do so pretty much solely for the reason that it'd scare you enough to comply with their demand, whether it's giving them your possessions/money, or whatever.
Lol, and all that is okay for the reason why I shouldn't know how to defend myself? Also, you can't plead insanity if you are drugs.
779
« on: March 18, 2015, 09:38:24 PM »
Why did they even let you handle guns when you were that young? I didn't shoot my first gun until I was 17. And even then, I never really got into shooting guns. Never clicked for me.
That's because you started to so late!
My parents wanted to teach me while I was young so I could defend them if something ever happened in which they could not use it themselves.
Unless you train with a gun a lot and know exactly what you're doing, pulling a gun out at a burglar or armed intruder actually increases your likelihood of being fatally shot.
Too many unknowns for guns to be good for self-defense.
That was funny. It sounds like you said if I picked up a gun as a kid, the bullet would do a 180 and hit me in the face, right?
Uhhh...
No.
I mean it'd cause the burglar to shoot you before you get the chance to open fire. Cause you holding the gun is an unknown factor from his perspective, so he'd react to it by simply shooting you before you can aim the gun at him.
If a burglar breaks into your house, with a gun, their intention is to rob and shoot you and must be treated as such. He could have kidnapped me, raped me or shoot me if I didn't have that gun or know how to use it.
The shooting you part isn't true.
Sometimes that's his intention, sometimes it's not. But if you pull a gun on him, then his intention will sure as hell be to shoot you, cause now his life is on the line regardless of whether he planned to shoot you or not before.
And once justice catches up with him, it'll be murder of a miner. So the criminal doesn't care if he is or isn't following the law. Why should I ever have my right to defend myself lost, just because I am young?
780
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