Dafuq is dis

Quote from: Risay117 on December 22, 2014, 12:12:51 AM

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Honestly i personally believe that since the beginning SAA has changed slowly but changed, and become a strong anti-insurgency force. With time we will start to see them do better, and if the oil value comes back up next year well guess what? Russia is back in the game as well as Iran.

New trained units have sprung from the SAA side that have changed the game and honestly if one year is given and certain gains are made, well the SAA wins. Honestly the bases they lost in Idlib were undersieged and were expected to fall. Most of the troops retreated to SAA lines and the only if i remember SAA base in enemy lines is Deir-e-Azor. That the SAA can win maybe in a year or more. So now we have trenches.

The battles in the west and south will decide how the future will end up.

I guess the SAA will never truly lose the war since Iran and Russia have made it clear that they will never allow Assad to fall...

Well they may not, the question though i have is when does the war end.

I used to support Assad until I thought of this very question. The answer is that the war never ends as long as Assad remains in power. He's like Maliki. Literally having any leader other than Assad would do wonders for the broken peace process.

Personally i disagree on this. Assad can stay in power now, and actually can garner support that is necessary to remain. Mainly the long war will tire everyone out and people will prefer to keep the status quo than to start another struggle. Honestly it depends on who you listen to but due to the war and atrocities by ISIS and the likes, the actions of the SAA is very welcoming to the people. While on the other hand you have the SAA barrel bombing places and causing havoc.

Honestly the problem in Syria is that the pro-regime forces have grown a cult following behind Assad and his Generals, and the removal of Assad would have a devastating blow to the the regime forces morally. Assad seems to most people the solution to some progress and a new start.

Anyway enough of this debate, personally i feel like Assad will remain in power till the end of the war and after the end he will step down after some time and let someone else in.

It's actually really funny. Back when I used to post on B.net, there was a person I would always debate about what to do in Syria, and we could never agree or compromise.

The funny part is that I was extremely pro-Assad and he was extremely anti-Assad. And for me to defend the anti-Assad side only 6 months later...

Quote from: Risay117 on December 21, 2014, 08:55:49 PM

Quote from: CAESAR JIHADIVS on December 21, 2014, 08:01:49 PM

Quote from: Risay117 on December 21, 2014, 07:58:35 PM

Honestly i personally believe that since the beginning SAA has changed slowly but changed, and become a strong anti-insurgency force. With time we will start to see them do better, and if the oil value comes back up next year well guess what? Russia is back in the game as well as Iran.

New trained units have sprung from the SAA side that have changed the game and honestly if one year is given and certain gains are made, well the SAA wins. Honestly the bases they lost in Idlib were undersieged and were expected to fall. Most of the troops retreated to SAA lines and the only if i remember SAA base in enemy lines is Deir-e-Azor. That the SAA can win maybe in a year or more. So now we have trenches.

The battles in the west and south will decide how the future will end up.

I guess the SAA will never truly lose the war since Iran and Russia have made it clear that they will never allow Assad to fall...

Well they may not, the question though i have is when does the war end.

I used to support Assad until I thought of this very question. The answer is that the war never ends as long as Assad remains in power. He's like Maliki. Literally having any leader other than Assad would do wonders for the broken peace process.

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Defeated ISIS in Deir e-Azzor.
Encirclement of Aleppo is underway with the Rebels retreating from there.

Idlib is kind of far which seems to be why they are retreating from there after the loss of a couple bases. Those bases were under siege for around 2 years, and have started to carve out their own territory here and there kicking out other rebel groups if necessary. Also a couple tanks captured.

Honestly it seems like the SAA is consolidating power and strength in the South and the East of the country, while allowing themselves to lose a couple land in the east.  Alot of the rebel groups have started to accept ceasefires and the likes. Still to far away to see what will be the result but it seems that if the SAA finish the encirclement of Aleppo and win they will have alot of troops to free up that can be used elsewhere.

Also look out for a couple Generals.
One is nicknamed the Tiger
another is General Zahareddin who held of the ISIS onslaught on Deir-e-Azor.

Actually for the latest check out Petolucem's twitter.
Link It has new maps that are the closest to the real deal although pro-SAA.

On the contrary to the impending siege of Aleppo... The Rebels will likely fight tooth and nail to try to break the encirclement of Aleppo, so the SAA will likely need all the troops they can get there. And the SAA literally has a single supply line between Hama and Aleppo. There's literally nothing stopping ISIS or the Rebels from cutting off that supply route and royally fucking over the SAA. And in the South (mainly Daara), they've been losing tons of ground to the Rebels there.

Actually ISIS and the SAA front has been quiet.

There are also reports and verified that Rebels have retreated from Aleppo. Not one but many groups and the only groups that remained are the Islamic Front. The game has changed from last year and honestly the SAA has made many successful pushes around Aleppo and other parts of the city. Honestly they have given up reinforcing some spots of the country like Idlib which is deep in Rebel territory to finish other fronts like Aleppo.
The progress by the SAA recently
Some discussion

Also Damascus

Shows that the SAA has made strides especially with a couple Truces.

Problem with the SAA is that they're trying to be everywhere at once. They may be able to bring overwhelming force to 2 or so fronts at a time, but that'd just leave the flanks for 10 other fronts open which the Rebels can easily exploit. If you compare maps from 2012 to maps now, the SAA has lost a TON of ground and I don't see them being able to retake that ground.

Actually there is a belief that they have given up on Idlib and focused on Aleppo. Once the encirclement is reached they may try to hammer the Rebels into a truce and then once that front is close they move elsewhere.
Link to one of the battles

It is noticed how they are stretched but it is known that they push one front and make some gains then lose on another front. I feel like that the ISIS front may quieten down now especially after the dismal assault on Deir-e-Azor and the strong push by the YPG and the PKK. Also it is weird because ISIS instead of attacking SAA has started to focus on the Rebels in the battle of Aleppo.

Unfortunately the SAA is spread too think to exploit the Islamic State's demise, and almost all of the resources which make the country viable are in the East. Almost all of the oil is in Deir ez-Zor Governate (which ISIS controls 99% of), and ISIS controls practically the entire Euphrates River in Syria (which is amazing farmland) minus Deir ez-Zor itself, which is a pile of rubble.

I would not end it there. If they are able to hold onto Deir-e-Azor for a bit that group could regain the ground. Remember the rebels and ISIS is bad in the open when facing the SAA. Also recently the SAA had made alot of grounds until ISIS made a huge push to the airport that failed. The land can be retaken slowly if necessary, and honestly if the Urban area comes under SAA control ISIS loses alot.

The SAA does not need to push the ISIS in the east only to keep that front silent for as long as they need to get rid of the FSA and the JAN groups. If they can clean up Aleppo which they can do in maybe next two to three years, then the push to the east begins. Also if south falls earlier like before the increase in manpower will be huge.

For me the battles to watch is Aleppo and the South, if those two fall to the SAA in a year then well the Idlib will be next because honestly ISIS will be battered by then with no force to defend with.

The SAA doesn't have the strength to win in the South right now. They'd need forces from Aleppo to do that. And there's speculation that JaN will target Idlib city itself next. They did a probing attack 2 months ago, and Idlib city is the last major presence of the SAA in Idlib Governorate. If Idlib city falls, that'd completely scramble the SAA's war effort.

The SAA's campaign is pretty much a delicate sequence of events.

Quote from: Risay117 on December 21, 2014, 07:38:29 PM

Quote from: CAESAR JIHADIVS on December 21, 2014, 07:33:45 PM

Quote from: Risay117 on December 21, 2014, 07:29:41 PM

Quote from: CAESAR JIHADIVS on December 21, 2014, 07:23:30 PM

Quote from: Risay117 on December 21, 2014, 07:19:17 PM

Defeated ISIS in Deir e-Azzor.
Encirclement of Aleppo is underway with the Rebels retreating from there.

Idlib is kind of far which seems to be why they are retreating from there after the loss of a couple bases. Those bases were under siege for around 2 years, and have started to carve out their own territory here and there kicking out other rebel groups if necessary. Also a couple tanks captured.

Honestly it seems like the SAA is consolidating power and strength in the South and the East of the country, while allowing themselves to lose a couple land in the east.  Alot of the rebel groups have started to accept ceasefires and the likes. Still to far away to see what will be the result but it seems that if the SAA finish the encirclement of Aleppo and win they will have alot of troops to free up that can be used elsewhere.

Also look out for a couple Generals.
One is nicknamed the Tiger
another is General Zahareddin who held of the ISIS onslaught on Deir-e-Azor.

Actually for the latest check out Petolucem's twitter.
Link It has new maps that are the closest to the real deal although pro-SAA.

On the contrary to the impending siege of Aleppo... The Rebels will likely fight tooth and nail to try to break the encirclement of Aleppo, so the SAA will likely need all the troops they can get there. And the SAA literally has a single supply line between Hama and Aleppo. There's literally nothing stopping ISIS or the Rebels from cutting off that supply route and royally fucking over the SAA. And in the South (mainly Daara), they've been losing tons of ground to the Rebels there.

Actually ISIS and the SAA front has been quiet.

There are also reports and verified that Rebels have retreated from Aleppo. Not one but many groups and the only groups that remained are the Islamic Front. The game has changed from last year and honestly the SAA has made many successful pushes around Aleppo and other parts of the city. Honestly they have given up reinforcing some spots of the country like Idlib which is deep in Rebel territory to finish other fronts like Aleppo.
The progress by the SAA recently
Some discussion

Also Damascus

Shows that the SAA has made strides especially with a couple Truces.

Problem with the SAA is that they're trying to be everywhere at once. They may be able to bring overwhelming force to 2 or so fronts at a time, but that'd just leave the flanks for 10 other fronts open which the Rebels can easily exploit. If you compare maps from 2012 to maps now, the SAA has lost a TON of ground and I don't see them being able to retake that ground.

Actually there is a belief that they have given up on Idlib and focused on Aleppo. Once the encirclement is reached they may try to hammer the Rebels into a truce and then once that front is close they move elsewhere.
Link to one of the battles

It is noticed how they are stretched but it is known that they push one front and make some gains then lose on another front. I feel like that the ISIS front may quieten down now especially after the dismal assault on Deir-e-Azor and the strong push by the YPG and the PKK. Also it is weird because ISIS instead of attacking SAA has started to focus on the Rebels in the battle of Aleppo.

Unfortunately the SAA is spread too think to exploit the Islamic State's demise, and almost all of the resources which make the country viable are in the East. Almost all of the oil is in Deir ez-Zor Governate (which ISIS controls 99% of), and ISIS controls practically the entire Euphrates River in Syria (which is amazing farmland) minus Deir ez-Zor itself, which is a pile of rubble.

Quote from: Risay117 on December 21, 2014, 07:19:17 PM

Defeated ISIS in Deir e-Azzor.
Encirclement of Aleppo is underway with the Rebels retreating from there.

Idlib is kind of far which seems to be why they are retreating from there after the loss of a couple bases. Those bases were under siege for around 2 years, and have started to carve out their own territory here and there kicking out other rebel groups if necessary. Also a couple tanks captured.

Honestly it seems like the SAA is consolidating power and strength in the South and the East of the country, while allowing themselves to lose a couple land in the east.  Alot of the rebel groups have started to accept ceasefires and the likes. Still to far away to see what will be the result but it seems that if the SAA finish the encirclement of Aleppo and win they will have alot of troops to free up that can be used elsewhere.

Also look out for a couple Generals.
One is nicknamed the Tiger
another is General Zahareddin who held of the ISIS onslaught on Deir-e-Azor.

Actually for the latest check out Petolucem's twitter.
Link It has new maps that are the closest to the real deal although pro-SAA.

On the contrary to the impending siege of Aleppo... The Rebels will likely fight tooth and nail to try to break the encirclement of Aleppo, so the SAA will likely need all the troops they can get there. And the SAA literally has a single supply line between Hama and Aleppo. There's literally nothing stopping ISIS or the Rebels from cutting off that supply route and royally fucking over the SAA. And in the South (mainly Daara), they've been losing tons of ground to the Rebels there.