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Eh, I use them for medication, so yes.

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Serious / Re: A pro-choice medical student witnesses an abortion
« on: April 20, 2015, 12:57:26 AM »
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I was talking more about the general capacity humans have to be happy. As in, not just me.

I agree that we don't live lives of such high quality that we're in danger of crossing into saccharine territory, but life gives you the opportunity to improve things for others and for yourself. And perhaps I am just an overly optimistic twit, but I do believe humanity is capable of treating itself of its self-destructive tendencies along with the other things that ail us that aren't so self-inflicted.
I said this earlier, but I would just make the simple argument that happiness only comes at the cost of something. No one is ever happy for free, so to speak. Everything is indirectly sadistic in quality. Down to the food you eat. You know how many sentient creatures perish painfully at our hand just to put food on your plate? The hours of boredom and abuse the seamstresses that make your clothes endure? Everything you do has suffering attached to it down the line. I'm not saying you're not allowed to enjoy any of this stuff--if you didn't, it would be a colossal waste of the suffering. I'm just saying that I don't really buy the happiness argument when the suffering demonstrably outweighs any happiness. Unless you're going to try to argue that your food and your clothes are somehow worth all that suffering. You'd be wrong.

My problem here is that the system that we live in, that allows for this massive imbalance in the scales is not necessarily one that can't be changed or replaced provided advancement in areas like robotics and biology. What if we where able to grow and harvest meat without it being attached to a conscious being? What if were able to make human labour unnecessary in the vast majority of production of goods and services? What economic incentive would there be to maintain an economic system based on money earned through production of goods and services if we were able to provide for ourselves with robotic labour?

Yes we could just choose to end the human race here and now, but wouldn't that make the struggles of our ancestors a huge waste of time, much like subjecting animals to shit conditions for the sake of mass-producing their meat so that I'll then buy and then throw in the trash, while deriving no pleasure from any of that?

The way I see it, we've gotten to a point in human history where scientific advancement has accelerated to orders of magnitude beyond what we were achieving a thousand years ago, and the less than helpful perspectives and traditions of the past are being questioned and abandoned, so we might as well keep going at it, until we get to a point where we've optimized the ratio of suffering to happiness in our society.

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This bit's just nitpicking, since I see the point you're making, and in a general sense I don't see it as incorrect, but...

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I said this earlier, but I would just make the simple argument that happiness only comes at the cost of something. No one is ever happy for free, so to speak. Everything is indirectly sadistic in quality.

I would argue that there are pleasures that you can derive from things that don't require other, conscious being to suffer. Granted I'm not talking about grand things that will bring solace to the disturbed and abused, but there are small things that you can find pleasure in that don't; at least to my knowledge, require the sacrifice that most pleasures do. Personally, I take some amount of pleasure in feeling the wind blow through my fingers, and touching the bark on trees. I don't know of anyway that either of these activities are; under normal circumstances, liable to cause another creature pain in anyway.


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Serious / Re: A pro-choice medical student witnesses an abortion
« on: April 19, 2015, 11:56:21 PM »
Being happy?
Your happiness doesn't justify all the terrors that exist in the world. Not in the slightest. If you think that's a good enough reason to have a kid, you're a moron.

I was talking more about the general capacity humans have to be happy. As in, not just me.

I agree that we don't live lives of such high quality that we're in danger of crossing into saccharine territory, but life gives you the opportunity to improve things for others and for yourself. And perhaps I am just an overly optimistic twit, but I do believe humanity is capable of treating itself of its self-destructive tendencies along with the other things that ail us that aren't so self-inflicted.

3994
Serious / Re: A pro-choice medical student witnesses an abortion
« on: April 19, 2015, 11:29:00 PM »
No it isn't.
Describe what we do that makes life worth imposing on other sentient beings.

You will fail.

Being happy?

3995
Serious / Re: Parental rights of rapists
« on: April 19, 2015, 11:22:32 PM »
Scenario 1: A man rapes a woman, she gets pregnant and gives birth. Under any circumstances, should the rapist have any amount of custody over the child, and should he be required to pay child support?

Scenario 2: A woman rapes a man, she gets pregnant and gives birth. Who should get custody over the child, assuming both want it? Should the woman have to pay child support?

Scenario 1: no. Yes.

Scenario 2: I don't trust your average rapist to make for a decent parent, and I don't expect a victim of rape to be automatically become the caretaker of a child they may well won't want. If the father doesn't want the child, then I suppose it's up to the orphanage for the child, unfortunately. If the man is willing to accept custody, then I don't see why he shouldn't get child support from his rapist.

3996
Serious / Re: What should Dzhohkar Tsarnaev's punishment be?
« on: April 19, 2015, 11:08:03 PM »
Psychological case study.

3997
Serious / Re: A pro-choice medical student witnesses an abortion
« on: April 19, 2015, 11:07:09 PM »
what i described is not a "chronically depressed blob of shit", by the way
i summarized the entire human condition in two terms

people consume, and people suffer

that's pretty much ALL we do

No it isn't.

3998
Serious / Re: A pro-choice medical student witnesses an abortion
« on: April 19, 2015, 11:06:10 PM »
So, you'd rid a being of the chance for happiness, on the assumption that it's only ever going to amount to being a chronically depressed blob of shit?
it's not an assumption; it will happen
that's been the process for all 100 billion humans thus far

even then, it's still probably not okay to gamble with another sentient being's welfare
because sure, maybe your kid will get lucky and have an awesome life

but maybe he won't

Because things haven't improved since we figured out how to bash each other's heads in with largish rocks, right?

3999
Serious / Re: A pro-choice medical student witnesses an abortion
« on: April 19, 2015, 10:25:49 PM »
And why is bringing life into existence wrong?
why create something that doesn't need to exist, if all it's going to do in the grand scheme is consume, suffer, consume, suffer, consume, suffer, consume, suffer, and then die?

So, you'd rid a being of the chance for happiness, on the assumption that it's only ever going to amount to being a chronically depressed blob of shit?


4000
The Flood / Re: GIF TIME!!!
« on: April 19, 2015, 07:46:55 PM »
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I really need to use this one more often.

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4001
The Flood / Re: Random superpower.
« on: April 19, 2015, 02:59:15 PM »
Determination Embodiment

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The ability to become the embodiment of determination. A variation of Ambition Manipulation and Power Manifestation.
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Users become the living embodiment of determination, making them able to do anything they are determined to do.
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Without determination for something, the user can not use this power.

You'd have to be really sold on suicide to actually be able to go through with it.

4002
The Flood / Re: Random superpower.
« on: April 19, 2015, 02:54:22 PM »
Enhance Breath

Funny that I seem to have a penchant for respiratory problems.

4003
The Flood / Re: Life is ending right before your eyes
« on: April 19, 2015, 10:48:16 AM »
Get sloshed.

4004
I would actually mention you're a mod for a popular website (NEVER MENTION THE ACTUAL PLACE THOUGH, FOR GOD'S SAKE!).

Shows responsibility, able to talk to a variety of arseholes people and ability to diffuse somewhat tight situations.

E.g. Some crazy shopper verbally abusing you because of the price of Tetley Tea or something, when you have literally fuck-all to do with the pricing.
I kind of already have a bit too much of the corpse that lives in a library thing going on so I don't think I'd bring it up. Unless I can lie about having some sort of a social life etc <.<

Tell them you're part of a cult, they won't ask questions and that sorts out the whole social life thing.

4005
The Flood / Re: World Domination
« on: April 19, 2015, 09:33:05 AM »
Orchestrate a phoney second coming. How can someone fight you if they believe you control their soul?

4006
Tell them you name is Lennie Small and you like small furry animals.

And da alfalfa and da wabbits and da-


i cri erytiem

4007
The Flood / Re: 10/10 albums
« on: April 19, 2015, 08:56:07 AM »
Never found an album that I could say I liked all the songs on, let alone loved them.

4008
Gaming / Re: Do you think they will remaster Mass effect?
« on: April 19, 2015, 08:51:11 AM »
plz no

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The Flood / Re: Flood, I found me in fox form!
« on: April 19, 2015, 08:46:53 AM »
Found a picture of a business bear standing in front of some buildings.

Didn't like it much, but I saw potential in it. Cut out the buildings and added a solid red, then bam, I suddenly liked it a lot.

Funny how such a simple change can do that.

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Tell them you name is Lennie Small and you like small furry animals.

4011
The Flood / Re: What was your original Bnet display name?
« on: April 19, 2015, 08:36:35 AM »
^

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The Flood / Re: You have three choices
« on: April 19, 2015, 04:02:32 AM »
I guess I'd go with the envelope.

"Dear Ushan,

You've been dead for 30 years already. I'm so sorry.

Sincerely,

___"

Doesn't shock me that I'd forget such a meaningless piece of trivia.

4013
The Flood / Re: You have three choices
« on: April 19, 2015, 03:13:39 AM »
I guess I'd go with the envelope.

4014
The Flood / Re: Don't you dare call his wafu a shit
« on: April 18, 2015, 10:14:02 PM »
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wafu

Did anyone else think of Tommy Wiseau when they read that?

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The Flood / Re: Sep7agon Presidential Election 2015
« on: April 18, 2015, 09:31:53 PM »
So when was our egotistical monarch; Harlow, overthrown?

Now that I think about it, I feel like a miss a lot.
Both President and Monarch could previously exist with eachother in The Flood. But once the Great Schism happened, the position of Monarch was thrown out.

Didn't he just stop coming by? I guess the proper phrase would be a sudden and unannounced abdication, but that's irrelevant.
I'm the President.

History is written by the victor.

End of story.

:^)

Only in cases when the victor is capable of writing.
I won.

I can write.

Therefore I write the History.

And in cases where people other than the victor are capable of writing.

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The Flood / Re: Sep7agon Presidential Election 2015
« on: April 18, 2015, 09:13:18 PM »
So when was our egotistical monarch; Harlow, overthrown?

Now that I think about it, I feel like a miss a lot.
Both President and Monarch could previously exist with eachother in The Flood. But once the Great Schism happened, the position of Monarch was thrown out.

Didn't he just stop coming by? I guess the proper phrase would be a sudden and unannounced abdication, but that's irrelevant.
I'm the President.

History is written by the victor.

End of story.

:^)

Only in cases when the victor is capable of writing.

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The Flood / Re: Sep7agon Presidential Election 2015
« on: April 18, 2015, 09:09:56 PM »
So when was our egotistical monarch; Harlow, overthrown?

Now that I think about it, I feel like a miss a lot.
Both President and Monarch could previously exist with eachother in The Flood. But once the Great Schism happened, the position of Monarch was thrown out.

Didn't he just stop coming by? I guess the proper phrase would be a sudden and unannounced abdication, but that's irrelevant.

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The Flood / Re: Sep7agon Presidential Election 2015
« on: April 18, 2015, 09:02:18 PM »
So when was our egotistical monarch; Harlow, overthrown?

Now that I think about it, I feel like a miss a lot.

4019
The Flood / Re: im drinking ama
« on: April 18, 2015, 08:35:02 PM »
On a sunday?

at 2AM?
How else do you think i get to sleep?
closing your eyes and counting sheep

People actually do that?
People can actually manage sleep with out drugs or alcohol?
What a time to be alive!

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The Flood / Re: im drinking ama
« on: April 18, 2015, 08:27:11 PM »

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