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« on: December 21, 2017, 03:05:07 AM »
A moment of silence for the only decent commanding officer in the First Order fleet.
722
« on: December 21, 2017, 03:03:05 AM »
It sounds like people wanted Luke to be a plot device and not an actual character
I think SW fans wanted EU Luke, some jedi grandmaster that had a hot jedi wife and a bunch of cool jedi buddies and was now a wise old dude like Obi Wan.
Exactly. A plot device. I won't lie, I became a little sad that things turn out so poorly for Luke, but the character himself, and the circumstances he was in, were far more interesting than their EU counterparts set during the same time frame.
723
« on: December 21, 2017, 02:50:50 AM »
It sounds like people wanted Luke to be a plot device and not an actual character
I may be in the minority(and nitpicky) but I didn't like how he just tosses aside his lightsaber when Rey gives it to him
Yeah I thought it was a bit too comedic the way he did it. Sent from my Moto G (5) Plus using Tapatalk
724
« on: December 20, 2017, 09:19:04 PM »
It sounds like people wanted Luke to be a plot device and not an actual character
725
« on: December 20, 2017, 12:47:37 AM »
Space warfare threads on /k/ are pretty lit
The Star Wars General on /tg/ is fantastic for that too
726
« on: December 19, 2017, 03:03:17 PM »
Spoiler Tbh, at least Rogue One had interesting people die. This movie just miraculously saved everone at the very last second except for Luke's weak death cop out.
Rogue One
Interesting people
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As someone who enjoys Rogue One I agree.
727
« on: December 18, 2017, 06:13:07 PM »
728
« on: December 18, 2017, 04:42:46 PM »
They must have looked at that chart with all the largest sci-fi ships and said "Hey, we should be on this too!"
It's pretty low on the starship size chart. I think they just wanted something in-between an SSD and a standard SD. Something that the characters could call something different and that the audience could think of as being a greater threat than a standard SD.
729
« on: December 18, 2017, 04:25:31 PM »
730
« on: December 18, 2017, 03:54:39 PM »
I guess I could justify the Mandator IV Siege Dreadnought's scarce armament with the fact that those two orbital autocannons must require an immense amount of power given the massive explosion it produced.
They're basically orbital gun platforms, and the idea was probably that they would have an escort to protect them. Hux is just a terrible naval tactician.
The First Order needs some smaller escort vessels like the Raider-class Corvette or some smaller fighter carriers like the Quasar Fire. As it stands they have ridiculously big Star Destroyers for direct engagement and an anti-ground siegeworks platform (and presumably good at taking out big ships) but no smaller/ medium sized vessels to take care of escort and patrol duties like the Acclamators of the Republic.
That said the Mandator and its fighter escort did do a good enough job of taking out the Resistance bomber squadron, a couple more fighters could have completely wiped out the offense.
I'd argue that they should be deploying TIEs immediately upon entering the system as to intercept any inbound fighters before a situation arises.
Yeah. The FO is supposed to use old Imperial vessels as a good portion of their fleet, with Imperial II-class ISD's and the like as supplementary forces. I wish they would show old, slightly upgraded vessels. I guess we have to show all "new" vessels at all times though.
One thing I liked in this movie was the presence of upgraded AT-AT'S and AT-ST'S. For once, they seen to have put some thought into the ST-era universe. Basically, if those old Imperial walkers are still solid designs, why scrap them when you could update them and still put them to good use? I liked it because it's just how real militaries operate; why not save money by just upgrading existing designs? The U.S. has been using the same heavy machine gun for a hundred years.
I did like the AT-M6 though, as I like the idea of using a walker as a gun platfrom and mounting a giant turbolaser cannon usually reserved for space combat on it.
I did like how they had AT-ATs on Krait alongside the AT-M6s. I also liked seeing how the Resistance capital ships were newer models of other ships (MC80 -> MC85, Nebulon-B -> Nebulon C etc) but I wish both FO and Resistance would stop just having TIE fighters and X-Wings and stuff.
They also made the AT-M6's at least look cool in that scene, which is something. I really didn't like their designs in the reveal screenshots.
I blame J.J. and Bad Robot for the lame FO TIE's.
It's stupid because even in NuCanon, the TIE Interceptor is intended to be the replacement for the TIE/ln, and by Endor they comprise 20% of the Imperial Starfighter fleet.
Unfortunately, J.J. had it go with what was "iconic" in TFA so we just got standard TIE's with a palette swap and some different little greeblies. I would have been fine with it if it was the same case as the FO AT-AT'S and AT-ST'S, where they were just upgraded TIE/ln starfighters, but no, they're an entirely new model.
In general the ST designs have been pretty uninspired. The only ones I don't mind are:
- FO Stormtroopers (TLJ versions with thinner mouth)
- Resurgent class SD's and the Mandator-IV Dreadnought (total armament count aside)
- T-70 X-Wings (they're the next iteration in the X-Wing line, it makes sense for them to be similar IMO, plus they're just different enough).
- AT-M6 walkers
- Upgraded AT-AT'S & AT-ST'S
Snoke's flying calzone is... Okay I guess. I still don't like that the FO, which doesn't have as many resources as The Empire, which is reflected in its higher consideration of pilot welfare (FO TIE's have shields), was able to hollow out the interior and equator of a planet *and* build a 60km wide SSD *and* build a fleet of SD's, each of which is larger than the old Imperial I & II class SD's.
I wish Snoke's ship has been an Executor-class SSD with some upgrades, or at least something that wasn't half the diameter of the DS in width. Maybe it could have a mini DS laser that took out capital ships in one shot, but took time to charge. In addition, it could serve as an Interdictor as well. That way the time constraint wouldn't have been running out of fuel and having to stay out of range, it would have been having to get away before the laser charged, but not being able to jump to hyperspace because the flagship was also an Interdictor.
It would have been really neat if Snoke's ship was actually the Eclipse, Sheev's old personal SSD from the old days. I also saw a cool idea that t Starkiller should have been a nuRepublic superweapon captured by the First Order, and that the Resistance was a group set up to fight them without publically shaming the Republic.
On a similar note I just want to see all that stuff that gets mentioned in EU about undersupplied imperial and rebel fleets using old Clone Wars era Venators, ARC-170's and whatnot, or the nuRepublic using remnants of the old Imperial Navy.
Hell, even resistance troops wearing old refurbished milsurp Clone Trooper and Stormtrooper gear would be fucking cool.
Actually, I remember being surprised when Snoke's SSD ended up not being the Eclipse, because in NuCanon it's been established that the Eclipse was one of the first ships in the Unknown Regions, where the FO was founded. I remember hypothesizing that Starkiller Base was an old Sith superweapon from the KoTOR era, that had been found by this Imperial splinter faction. Of course, it ended up that I was overestimating the amount of thought put into TFA. I also remember thinking, when the second teaser came out that the splinter faction we later learned was the FO was an Imperial Remnant that had become centered around the worship of the Dark Side. Admittedly, this was just because of the red motif and the very villainous-looking, spiky First Order symbol. Man, TFA did not end up being near as imaginative as I hoped it would be. We've basically had to completely rely on outside material for worldbuilding.
731
« on: December 18, 2017, 03:07:38 PM »
I guess I could justify the Mandator IV Siege Dreadnought's scarce armament with the fact that those two orbital autocannons must require an immense amount of power given the massive explosion it produced.
They're basically orbital gun platforms, and the idea was probably that they would have an escort to protect them. Hux is just a terrible naval tactician.
The First Order needs some smaller escort vessels like the Raider-class Corvette or some smaller fighter carriers like the Quasar Fire. As it stands they have ridiculously big Star Destroyers for direct engagement and an anti-ground siegeworks platform (and presumably good at taking out big ships) but no smaller/ medium sized vessels to take care of escort and patrol duties like the Acclamators of the Republic.
That said the Mandator and its fighter escort did do a good enough job of taking out the Resistance bomber squadron, a couple more fighters could have completely wiped out the offense.
I'd argue that they should be deploying TIEs immediately upon entering the system as to intercept any inbound fighters before a situation arises.
Yeah. The FO is supposed to use old Imperial vessels as a good portion of their fleet, with Imperial II-class ISD's and the like as supplementary forces. I wish they would show old, slightly upgraded vessels. I guess we have to show all "new" vessels at all times though.
One thing I liked in this movie was the presence of upgraded AT-AT'S and AT-ST'S. For once, they seen to have put some thought into the ST-era universe. Basically, if those old Imperial walkers are still solid designs, why scrap them when you could update them and still put them to good use? I liked it because it's just how real militaries operate; why not save money by just upgrading existing designs? The U.S. has been using the same heavy machine gun for a hundred years.
I did like the AT-M6 though, as I like the idea of using a walker as a gun platfrom and mounting a giant turbolaser cannon usually reserved for space combat on it.
I did like how they had AT-ATs on Krait alongside the AT-M6s. I also liked seeing how the Resistance capital ships were newer models of other ships (MC80 -> MC85, Nebulon-B -> Nebulon C etc) but I wish both FO and Resistance would stop just having TIE fighters and X-Wings and stuff.
They also made the AT-M6's at least look cool in that scene, which is something. I really didn't like their designs in the reveal screenshots.
I blame J.J. and Bad Robot for the lame FO TIE's. It's stupid because even in NuCanon, the TIE Interceptor is intended to be the replacement for the TIE/ln, and by Endor they comprise 20% of the Imperial Starfighter fleet. Unfortunately, J.J. had it go with what was "iconic" in TFA so we just got standard TIE's with a palette swap and some different little greeblies. I would have been fine with it if it was the same case as the FO AT-AT'S and AT-ST'S, where they were just upgraded TIE/ln starfighters, but no, they're an entirely new model. In general the ST designs have been pretty uninspired. The only ones I don't mind are: - FO Stormtroopers (TLJ versions with thinner mouth) - Resurgent class SD's and the Mandator-IV Dreadnought (total armament count aside) - T-70 X-Wings (they're the next iteration in the X-Wing line, it makes sense for them to be similar IMO, plus they're just different enough). - Kylo's TIE Silencer - AT-M6 walkers - Upgraded AT-AT'S & AT-ST'S Snoke's flying calzone is... Okay I guess. I still don't like that the FO, which doesn't have as many resources as The Empire, which is reflected in its higher consideration of pilot welfare (FO TIE's have shields), was able to hollow out the interior and equator of a planet *and* build a 60km wide SSD *and* build a fleet of SD's, each of which is larger than the old Imperial I & II class SD's. I wish Snoke's ship has been an Executor-class SSD with some upgrades, or at least something that wasn't half the diameter of the DS in width. Maybe it could have a mini DS laser that took out capital ships in one shot, but took time to charge. In addition, it could serve as an Interdictor as well. That way the time constraint wouldn't have been running out of fuel and having to stay out of range, it would have been having to get away before the laser charged, but not being able to jump to hyperspace because the flagship was also an Interdictor.
732
« on: December 18, 2017, 02:01:57 PM »
I guess I could justify the Mandator IV Siege Dreadnought's scarce armament with the fact that those two orbital autocannons must require an immense amount of power given the massive explosion it produced.
They're basically orbital gun platforms, and the idea was probably that they would have an escort to protect them. Hux is just a terrible naval tactician.
The First Order needs some smaller escort vessels like the Raider-class Corvette or some smaller fighter carriers like the Quasar Fire. As it stands they have ridiculously big Star Destroyers for direct engagement and an anti-ground siegeworks platform (and presumably good at taking out big ships) but no smaller/ medium sized vessels to take care of escort and patrol duties like the Acclamators of the Republic.
That said the Mandator and its fighter escort did do a good enough job of taking out the Resistance bomber squadron, a couple more fighters could have completely wiped out the offense.
I'd argue that they should be deploying TIEs immediately upon entering the system as to intercept any inbound fighters before a situation arises.
Yeah. The FO is supposed to use old Imperial vessels as a good portion of their fleet, with Imperial II-class ISD's and the like as supplementary forces. I wish they would show old, slightly upgraded vessels. I guess we have to show all "new" vessels at all times though. One thing I liked in this movie was the presence of upgraded AT-AT'S and AT-ST'S. For once, they seen to have put some thought into the ST-era universe. Basically, if those old Imperial walkers are still solid designs, why scrap them when you could update them and still put them to good use? I liked it because it's just how real militaries operate; why not save money by just upgrading existing designs? The U.S. has been using the same heavy machine gun for a hundred years. I did like the AT-M6 though, as I like the idea of using a walker as a gun platfrom and mounting a giant turbolaser cannon usually reserved for space combat on it.
733
« on: December 18, 2017, 01:44:16 PM »
I guess I could justify the Mandator IV Siege Dreadnought's scarce armament with the fact that those two orbital autocannons must require an immense amount of power given the massive explosion it produced.
They're basically orbital gun platforms, and the idea was probably that they would have an escort to protect them. Hux is just a terrible naval tactician.
734
« on: December 18, 2017, 01:38:37 PM »
The lasers fired by snoke's flagship arcing through SPACE like artillery triggered me
Physics in SW have always been stupid. It didn't bother me.
What does bother me is the 7km Dreadnought having a measly 24 point defense cannons.
It's like they wanted it to get destroyed.
I mean, at least Alderaan's destruction wasn't visible in the sky of every planet across the entire galaxy and energy weapons have always travelled in straight lines.
To be fair, that's more so JJ's retardation than NuCanon as a whole. Same thing happened in Trek 2009.
735
« on: December 18, 2017, 01:36:24 PM »
Spoiler tbh I'm pretty triggered that some of the stuff people are bitching about is what was good.
-Luke's character arc
-NotPalpatine getting the Maul treatment
-Rey being the daughter of nobodies
There are legitimate problems with the movie but those were great. Really concerned by the negative reactions, and what that means for 9.
736
« on: December 18, 2017, 01:31:55 PM »
The lasers fired by snoke's flagship arcing through SPACE like artillery triggered me
Physics in SW have always been stupid. It didn't bother me. What does bother me is the 7km Dreadnought having a measly 24 point defense cannons. It's like they wanted it to get destroyed.
737
« on: December 18, 2017, 12:26:24 PM »
Spoiler there's already some buzz that JJ is going to be doing a lot to undo the damage that Rian has done with this film, most of all unkilkibg Luke
what if Rey couldn't see Luke, not because he was cut off from the force, but because he wasn't there at all?
I can't wait for Starkiller Base 2
738
« on: December 18, 2017, 11:08:33 AM »
So does this actually change the established lore on how hypersapce works in Star Wars? I always thought they travelled to another dimension or something, but now it's just moving REALLY fast?
Hyperspace has always been effectively moving really fast through real space, just hand-waved with "mass shadows" and other bullshit.
Just saw TLJ, thought it was pretty good.
Spoiler I got really excited when Finn was about to die, because his character blows.
I think most of the problems come from the director just trashing JJ's stories; every revelation felt jarring and contrived. The fact the Resistance is literally a handful of ships with nothing else is stupid. I don't really have anything unique to say at this point...though it's good to see that the dark side ending of Jedi Academy is now canon.
Also, ships can just track other ships through hyperspace, which is all sorts of dumb
And "battering ram cannon", "miniature death star tech"... come on.
Spoiler FUCKING RIGHT
IN WHAT SITUATION WOULD THEY EVER NEED THAT WEAPON EXCEPT THIS VERY SPECIFIC ONE
... Sieges? I feel like having something with that capability on hand would be fairly useful.
739
« on: December 18, 2017, 11:04:20 AM »
So does this actually change the established lore on how hypersapce works in Star Wars? I always thought they travelled to another dimension or something, but now it's just moving REALLY fast?
Hyperspace has always been effectively moving really fast through real space, just hand-waved with "mass shadows" and other bullshit.
Just saw TLJ, thought it was pretty good.
Spoiler I got really excited when Finn was about to die, because his character blows.
I think most of the problems come from the director just trashing JJ's stories; every revelation felt jarring and contrived. The fact the Resistance is literally a handful of ships with nothing else is stupid. I don't really have anything unique to say at this point...though it's good to see that the dark side ending of Jedi Academy is now canon.
Also, ships can just track other ships through hyperspace, which is all sorts of dumb
And "battering ram cannon", "miniature death star tech"... come on.
So does this actually change the established lore on how hypersapce works in Star Wars? I always thought they travelled to another dimension or something, but now it's just moving REALLY fast?
what
I used to think that hyperspace was like another plane you travel across or some shit
But this movie says it's just moving really fast
So does this actually change the established lore on how hypersapce works in Star Wars? I always thought they travelled to another dimension or something, but now it's just moving REALLY fast?
Only Snoke's ship was able to track ships through hyperspace. It was actually foreshadowed in RO: 
740
« on: December 18, 2017, 04:24:01 AM »
napalmSpoiler can you imagine, admiral ackbar turns the ship around, and just as his intent becomes clear and the confusion on board the bridge of the Supremacy breaks, you hear hux whisper 'it's a trap' Would be legitimately great
741
« on: December 18, 2017, 12:30:48 AM »
742
« on: December 17, 2017, 08:10:40 PM »
Man I hate comparing this to Halo 5 but honestly that's what it feels like in my mind right now.
Spoiler Snoke's death feels exacly like something Brian Reed would have done. Fuck what you think about TFA being too similar to the old movies, Snoke was a character I wanted to see developed. Asside from the scene itself which was in all honestly pretty cool, this was handled wose than the fucking Didact getting offed by a shitty grenade. At least we knew something about him. It's worse than Douku, Bobba Fett and Maul combined. Somebody who looks the way he does and as powerful as he apparently was deserves FUCKING SOME KIND OF EXPLAINATION AND BACKSTORY. How did he get like that? How did he seduce Ben to the Dark Side? WAS he Darth Plauges? Was he a new character altogether? Fuck you he's dead now LOL -Disney  Spoiler he will get a backstory. It will just be in a novel or something.
The point is, the story isn't about Snoke it's about Kylo Ren. Snoke dying was huge for Kylo's character.
743
« on: December 17, 2017, 07:32:16 PM »
One part I really liked was
Spoiler The reunion between Luke and R2. Was a bit fanservicey but in a good way. Spoiler Me too. His dialogue with R2 was heartwarming, and reminiscent of their old interaction. Kind of sad they only got one scene together.
"Hey, language!"
744
« on: December 17, 2017, 07:22:40 PM »
Godspeed you glorious bastard
Spoiler tbh he should have been the one to kamikaze the Supremacy
Should have been Leia tbh
I understand why it wasn't, given Fisher's death.
Spoiler I think she should have died in space, but at the same time I liked the "reunion" with Luke.
Spoiler Leia's bridge getting bombed and seeing her rag-doll out into space was hard to see, it's even more horrible to witness since Carrie Fisher is no longer with us. Having her be killed off like that would have been brutal as fuck.
I suppose you're right
745
« on: December 17, 2017, 07:18:42 PM »
Godspeed you glorious bastard
Spoiler tbh he should have been the one to kamikaze the Supremacy
Should have been Leia tbh
I understand why it wasn't, given Fisher's death. Spoiler I think she should have died in space, but at the same time I liked the "reunion" with Luke.
746
« on: December 17, 2017, 06:45:56 PM »
Godspeed you glorious bastard
Spoiler tbh he should have been the one to kamikaze the Supremacy
747
« on: December 17, 2017, 06:09:24 PM »
Spoiler Snoke's death has given me new appreciation for how well Palatine was handled throughout the rest of the saga.
I think I like the prequels alot more because of it.
See: Spoiler Who was Supreme Leader Snoke? Who knows! The filmmakers sure don't.
Was he Plageuis? Sure, who cares? Not Disney.
Spoiler JJ sure as hell didn't. He made a Palpatine ripoff; just like every other mystery box in TFA, it only concealed thin air and Rian knew that. We weren't going to get anything new or interesting out of Snoke that we couldn't get from a tie-in novel.
Snoke is boring. If he were Plaguis that would be stupid.
Him dying changes the situation a lot, and makes things more interesting. Now Kylo has surpassed Vader in just one way: he was able to kill and overthrow the lord he swore fealty to.
748
« on: December 17, 2017, 02:51:24 PM »
I'm so happy to get a safe RoTJ ripoff for 9 because everybody keeps badmouthing this one.
JJ please fill me with NOSTALGIA
MAKE ME CLAP WHEN I SEE THINGS I KNOW
749
« on: December 17, 2017, 04:47:58 AM »
Having had a couple days to process it all I really dislike is the frequency of jokes and the Canto Bight stuff, as well as Rose in general.
Aside form that it was a good character driven Star Wars film. Kylo Ren continues to be one of my favorite characters.
Rey wasn't as irritating either.
I actually didn't find rose to be as annoying as I was expecting her to be. But Canto Bight just felt like the obligatory Mos Eisley Cantina scene to show off how cool the SW universe was, and that whole sub-plot with the kids was just bad.
Like, isn't that what droids are for? That whole angle just felt really out of place for Star Wars.
Yeah I get what you mean. Can't Bight, despite all the aliens, felt bizarrely like Earth because of the familiar casino setting, which is part of the reason I disliked it. As for Rose, I didn't dislike her so much as I disliked the "I love you Finn *smooch*" at the end. Also I wished she had swapped places with her more attractive sister.
750
« on: December 17, 2017, 04:26:39 AM »
Having had a couple days to process it all I really dislike is the frequency of jokes and the Canto Bight stuff, as well as Rose in general.
Aside form that it was a good character driven Star Wars film. Kylo Ren continues to be one of my favorite characters.
Rey wasn't as irritating either.
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