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43711
« on: January 19, 2015, 10:39:15 PM »
I need a fucking drink.
I thought you were against alcohol...
I AM. CONFOUND IT
43712
« on: January 19, 2015, 10:36:32 PM »
You and I obviously have different views on the point of conversation. It's not about learning, it's about sharing your views. I've never had my beliefs swayed by an online argument, lol. If that's the whole reason you get involved in these, then you should just not respond to me in general. Now THAT is an excellent idea. I need a fucking drink.
43713
« on: January 19, 2015, 10:33:58 PM »
Your point? You can say things you don't like about blacks without being a racist. I'm just saying. That IS how a lot of racists talk. You've made yourself look very transphobic in this thread, and I'm just saying, that's why people are accusing you of being transphobic.
43714
« on: January 19, 2015, 10:29:54 PM »
If all racism was was finding blacks nasty, and not actually hating them, Also, I'd just like to point out that a lot of racists will say shit like "I don't hate blacks, BUT..."
43715
« on: January 19, 2015, 10:25:12 PM »
could you honestly not argue with a racist about it? No... I couldn't. Not if changing your mind was the goal, anyway.
43716
« on: January 19, 2015, 10:17:34 PM »
Ad hominem. Uhhhhhhhhhhh. No. Look up the word "impasse".
43717
« on: January 19, 2015, 10:15:13 PM »
If by "transphobic" you mean "find cross-dressing and post-op TGs repulsive", then yeah, I am. That has no bearing on this conversation, though. It does, in the sense that it creates an impasse. Would you want to argue with a racist as to why racism is bad? I sure the fuck wouldn't. If you just came out and said that you were transphobic, that would make it a lot easier for some of us, anyway, to not waste our time with you. You understand? It's a matter of, "am I willing to spend my time arguing with this person".
43718
« on: January 19, 2015, 10:09:19 PM »
To any rational person. Agreed. Putting homosexuality and transgenderism on the same level is comparing apples to oranges. My favorite platitude. I don't really see how comparing apples to oranges is necessarily a bad thing. It just doesn't function as an analogy. You have to show why they're so incomparable.
43719
« on: January 19, 2015, 10:04:30 PM »
Two men kissing isn't inherently disgusting. To you.
43720
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:49:09 PM »
I love how you constantly talk about issues you're completely clueless about. No one here is an expert, nor is anyone claiming to be an expert. Your pettiness contributes nothing. Argue the argument, not the arguer.
43721
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:47:16 PM »
Like I said in the other thread, I have nothing but respect for TGs who don't feed the delusion and get a gender change. If they're actually trying to help themselves, they're dealing with their condition correctly. What if they ignore it entirely? They're not getting surgery or trying to "heal" it.
43722
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:43:43 PM »
The ultimate goal would be to become the opposite sex. This is unarguably impossible at this time. Until such a time that someone can be altered post-birth on a genetic level, a transperson can only make themselves as close to that as possible. Outside of Tumblr and similar special snowflake hugboxes, you will only sparsely find people who legitimately believe that they are "actually" (in the sense you are arguing) men or women. Right. Because I mean, how do you know if you're a man or a woman in your head if you've never been the opposite? The obvious solution is to just identify as whatever makes you personally comfortable, because it ultimately doesn't matter.
43723
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:39:37 PM »
If SecondClass had to pick between being born transgendered or born with harlequin ichthyosis, which would he choose? Or would they both be equally horrible? What the fuck? Obviously transgender, I just wouldn't be an idiot and try to embrace my disease, I'd get it cured.
Don't act all offended; it was more of a rhetorical question. Obviously you would rather be transgendered. Point being, how do you quantify how "bad" a defect is? I'm not even arguing with you, I'm just gathering information right now. I'd like to try to understand the perspective of what I consider to be... toxic bigotry.
43724
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:35:54 PM »
If SecondClass had to pick between being born transgendered or born with harlequin ichthyosis, which would he choose? Or would they both be equally horrible?
43725
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:21:50 PM »
This is giving me cancer anyway. I had a project to finish tonight, and everything.
I might come back, but probably not, because... I'm not gonna able to remain civil about this.
And Class is like, completely alone on this issue, and I feel like we're all ganging up on him, so.
43726
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:19:20 PM »
Woah woah woah. Hold on.
Did this thread get moved to serious? With my post as the topic? you are the mediator, after all 
43727
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:17:02 PM »
It is. you know, if gender actually mattered maybe i'd be with you but seeing as how it doesn't (or at least, shouldn't)...
43728
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:12:34 PM »
Use logic. All homosexuality does is make you attracted to the other sex. Big deal. Transgenderism makes you believe that you're something you're objectively not. That's a mental disorder, caused by a birth defect. All transgenderism does is make you think you're the opposite gender. Big deal. Homosexuality makes you think that you're sexually attracted to something that you objectively shouldn't be. That's a mental disorder, caused by a birth defect. PS if any retards happen to be reading this post, i'm playing the devil's advocate right now
i don't actually think there's anything wrong with being gay
43729
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:07:56 PM »
Homosexuality isn't a birth defect, transgenderism is. Sagacious knowledge from the eighteen-year-old pothead layman. Oh, sorry, that's ad hominem. How rude of me. I would love to see your evidence for that highly quantifiable and demonstrable statement.
43730
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:05:27 PM »
Okay, I'll try.
Some people are born with mental disorders.
A subset of mental disorders is delusional disorders.
It's unethical to stand idly by and allow someone affected by a mental disorder to live out their delusions. You should do something to help.
While TGs undoubtedly have every right to change their gender, that doesn't make it an intelligent or good choice. You could make the same argument for homosexuality. You sound like a Christian fundy right now.
43731
« on: January 19, 2015, 09:01:41 PM »
Mental ward =/= brainwashing camp You're literally doing the same thing, though.
43732
« on: January 19, 2015, 08:59:24 PM »
I've explained to you literally four times exactly why that is, but I guess you just can't grasp it. Not my fault. I'm apparently autistic for not wanting to be either gender, so, I guess that means I literally can't grasp it. Explain it to me like I actually am younger than you, then.
43733
« on: January 19, 2015, 08:55:36 PM »
If you're a man who wants to be a woman, that's bad in and of itself. You have failed conclusively to demonstrate precisely why that may be. I summarily discard your proposition with contempt.
43734
« on: January 19, 2015, 08:51:53 PM »
otherwise embrace their delusion instead of trying to heal it This blows my GODDAMN mind. Men who are comfortable with being women should learn to like being men. Because: Reasons. Reminds me of those Christian camps that are supposed to heal homosexuality.
43735
« on: January 19, 2015, 08:49:09 PM »
Er...do you know the difference between the two? Just curious. I've been taught that "transsexual" is basically transgendered + surgery. If you're gonna tell me that what I've been taught is wrong, go ahead, but that's what I've been taught.
43736
« on: January 19, 2015, 08:47:17 PM »
I'd consider it pretty immoral to let a sufferer of a disease believe that he's healthy instead of actually trying to help him. Because your gender is such an important thing, right. The only people who would reject the idea are autistic morons, such as myself.
43737
« on: January 19, 2015, 08:45:08 PM »
If you think that trying to fuck up your body with senseless surgery is as damaging as smoking weed, there's not much left to argue about. You're too far gone. AWESOME, because that's not the fucking subject. It's transgenderism, not transexualism.
43738
« on: January 19, 2015, 08:43:13 PM »
I don't think it's bigotry to see it as a disease. But it's not a "disease" I mean...a disease is something you're infected with, not something you're born with.
Whatever. Tell that to him, not me. I don't know what the fuck it is. The only thing I know is that it's harmless.
43739
« on: January 19, 2015, 08:40:20 PM »
I'm talking about damage to the individual. You fucking hypocrite. You fucking pot-smoking goddamn fucking hypocrite.
43740
« on: January 19, 2015, 08:38:43 PM »
I don't think it's bigotry to see it as a disease. I think you have a good case for that.
It's bigotry not to acquiesce to their little idiosyncrasies. Like I said, it makes them comfortable, and it hurts nothing and no one. There is no fucking harm.
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