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3961
« on: March 02, 2018, 12:31:38 PM »
Verbatim you live in a world where there’s always someone above you to take care of things
You would never last in a reality where the only person that looks out for you is yourself but that’s a reality that many people live everyday
You shouldn’t be talking about something you don’t understand or even have the mind to try and understand
says a person beneath me in every way
3962
« on: March 02, 2018, 12:25:02 PM »
What do you suggest I use instead? nothing, because being that scared of shooters is some pussy shit lock your doors, don't piss the wrong people off, know the quickest exit routes in every locale you frequent, carry a knife around, or even learn a martial art and work out if you feel like you have to or, sacrifice your dignity and go through the process of getting yourself a gun through the process i described, because i haven't completely barred guns out of the equation in this scenario (it's just the most cowardly option)
3963
« on: March 02, 2018, 12:15:31 PM »
How because you don't need a gun for self-defense i'm not fully opposed to people using guns for the sake of self-defense, but they have to prove themselves first, and that's going to involve extreme levels of background and mental health checks, as well as training, to make sure you're a responsible enough person to have the PRIVILEGE of using such a dangerous weapon it's kinda fucking retarded to think any other way about this To Be Quite Perfectly Fucking Honest
3964
« on: March 02, 2018, 12:10:18 PM »
It didn't answer my question. yes it did self-defense being a basic right is as far as i'm wiling to concede going from self-defense to the right to bear arms is a huge leap why don't we give people an inalienable right to drive cars? can you imagine why that would be
3965
« on: March 02, 2018, 11:50:20 AM »
What's wrong with it being a basic human right?
i just had a whole conversation about it that you could maybe read
3966
« on: March 02, 2018, 11:42:07 AM »
>YFW you realize I do have a right to a weapon and it's not a privilege
you have the legal right, based on the US constitution legal rights are not basic human rights, which is what chakas was specifically asking about, and what my answer was referring to
3967
« on: March 02, 2018, 11:36:05 AM »
[Insert smug face here] 
3968
« on: March 01, 2018, 11:38:01 PM »
Calling something "unconstitutional" means absolutely nothing.
In terms of what
In terms of when you're trying to argue that something is immoral, or shouldn't be done, based on its lack of constitutionality. the implication being, the constitution is an infallible document written by god himself, which just isn't true at all there's a lot of great stuff, but it isn't gospel truth and shouldn't be treated or looked upon as such
3969
« on: March 01, 2018, 11:27:36 PM »
Calling something "unconstitutional" means absolutely nothing.
3970
« on: March 01, 2018, 05:53:07 PM »
PC gaming is for casuals who think they're hardcore.
3971
« on: March 01, 2018, 05:47:16 PM »
all i can ever think of when reach is brought up is this video
3972
« on: March 01, 2018, 02:44:46 PM »
Rights are not something that can be amended. We are entitled by them by our own existence. you see no danger or folly in allowing men who lived two and a half centuries ago tell you what your basic rights are
They did pretty well if you ask me. They didn't cover everything, but I'm glad what they did cover is law.
i agree, that's why amendment 2 is the only one i have a serious problem with
all in all, the constitution is pretty awesome, but i'm not gonna sit here and pretend it's the word of god or anything, especially when it needed to be fixed up 27 times over the course of 200 years
Cool, but I think if one of the amendments in the Bill Of Rights is taken away, it reflects that the government does not view them as rights anymore and believes they are privileges instead. I for one like the sound of "right to free speech" as opposed to "privilege of speech". The removal of one invalidates the rest
i don't really see the logic there
free speech (which i do believe is a basic human right) has nothing to do with the right to bear arms
just because they were written on the same bill doesn't mean they're inextricably intertwined, unless you could explain how
Bill of Rights. Not Bill of Privileges
bill of nine rights and one privilege
3973
« on: March 01, 2018, 02:35:44 PM »
Rights are not something that can be amended. We are entitled by them by our own existence. you see no danger or folly in allowing men who lived two and a half centuries ago tell you what your basic rights are
They did pretty well if you ask me. They didn't cover everything, but I'm glad what they did cover is law.
i agree, that's why amendment 2 is the only one i have a serious problem with
all in all, the constitution is pretty awesome, but i'm not gonna sit here and pretend it's the word of god or anything, especially when it needed to be fixed up 27 times over the course of 200 years
Cool, but I think if one of the amendments in the Bill Of Rights is taken away, it reflects that the government does not view them as rights anymore and believes they are privileges instead. I for one like the sound of "right to free speech" as opposed to "privilege of speech". The removal of one invalidates the rest
i don't really see the logic there free speech (which i do believe is a basic human right) has nothing to do with the right to bear arms just because they were written on the same bill doesn't mean they're inextricably intertwined, unless you could explain how
3974
« on: March 01, 2018, 02:13:03 PM »
Rights are not something that can be amended. We are entitled by them by our own existence. you see no danger or folly in allowing men who lived two and a half centuries ago tell you what your basic rights are
They did pretty well if you ask me. They didn't cover everything, but I'm glad what they did cover is law.
i agree, that's why amendment 2 is the only one i have a serious problem with all in all, the constitution is pretty awesome, but i'm not gonna sit here and pretend it's the word of god or anything, especially when it needed to be fixed up 27 times over the course of 200 years
3975
« on: March 01, 2018, 02:02:05 PM »
Rights are not something that can be amended. We are entitled by them by our own existence. you see no danger or folly in allowing men who lived two and a half centuries ago tell you what your basic rights are
3976
« on: March 01, 2018, 01:49:52 PM »
I feel regulation against certain firearms and features as a whole do little to nothing to limit criminals. At least not in this country. Background checks are cool. They make sense, but I believe the Constitution and Bill of Rights the most absolute law of the land and should not be violated.
the fact that the constitution has been amended so many times should suggest to you how fallible and subject to change it really is
3977
« on: March 01, 2018, 01:40:03 PM »
I think banning a simple mechanical concept would be nigh impossible. Even regulating it is exceedingly difficult. You can actually easily manufacture a submachine gun, from materials you can buy at a hardware store (P.A. Luty). The law can only do so much to control what people do in their own homes.
i already agreed that it's impossible, i'm just describing how things would be in my perfect world so when i tell you that there would still be millions of good people owning guns under stricter gun control policy and 2A repeal, you know it's coming from a person who would ultimately get rid of all guns if he had it his way in other words, i'm not allowing my personal bias against guns affect how i view guns in the real world we're never getting rid of guns, but that doesn't mean we can't limit public access to them and limiting public access doesn't necessarily mean giving criminals more power, it's quite the opposite
3978
« on: March 01, 2018, 01:11:36 PM »
i mean ultimately if i had a button that destroyed all guns and prevented anything similar from ever being created or used again, then i would press it instantly
in fact, i'd smash wayne lapierre's face against it
that's my ideal, no guns whatsoever, fuck you
never gonna happen though, so i have to try to discuss reality
3979
« on: March 01, 2018, 01:08:05 PM »
no, in the same way that the right to drive an automobile is not a basic human right
it's a privilege that has to be worked for, and can be taken away
So if I'm a caveman and a rival tribe has sharp rocks and is regularly raping and killing people from my tribe, I can't get my own sharp rock and defend myself and my family because my tribal leaders say so? I specifically mean the ability to arm oneself regardless of what age or state of technology.
you are now talking about the right to defend yourself, which is a different subject
Defending yourself from those that are armed without being armed yourself almost certainly results in bodily harm or death.
still a better outcome than allowing any fucknut to carry a projectile weapon
it's pretty asinine to compare rocks to guns, by the way
So you'd prefer rape and murder possibly with illegal projectile weapons so the perpetrators of such can't get their hands on them because they obey the law?
okay, don't be fucking stupid my entire thesis (that i've stated repeatedly) is that owning guns is like driving cars, in that it's a privilege, not a right that means you can still easily get your hands on weapons if you've jumped through the necessary hoops like a responsible adult, it's just not your godgiven right in the same exact way that driving isn't your god given right and since millions of people still drive, millions of people would still own guns just because something isn't a basic human right doesn't mean it's banned completely
3980
« on: March 01, 2018, 12:56:54 PM »
no, in the same way that the right to drive an automobile is not a basic human right
it's a privilege that has to be worked for, and can be taken away
So if I'm a caveman and a rival tribe has sharp rocks and is regularly raping and killing people from my tribe, I can't get my own sharp rock and defend myself and my family because my tribal leaders say so? I specifically mean the ability to arm oneself regardless of what age or state of technology.
you are now talking about the right to defend yourself, which is a different subject
Defending yourself from those that are armed without being armed yourself almost certainly results in bodily harm or death.
still a better outcome than allowing any fucknut to carry a projectile weapon it's pretty asinine to compare rocks to guns, by the way, or to assume that good and responsible people still wouldn't be armed (the same way good and responsible people drive cars)
3981
« on: March 01, 2018, 12:52:35 PM »
no, in the same way that the right to drive an automobile is not a basic human right
it's a privilege that has to be worked for, and can be taken away
So if I'm a caveman and a rival tribe has sharp rocks and is regularly raping and killing people from my tribe, I can't get my own sharp rock and defend myself and my family because my tribal leaders say so? I specifically mean the ability to arm oneself regardless of what age or state of technology.
you are now talking about the right to defend yourself, which is a different subject the fact that we do not allow just anyone to drive has not hindered society in any way, imagine that
3982
« on: March 01, 2018, 12:43:48 PM »
no, in the same way that the right to drive an automobile is not a basic human right
it's a privilege that has to be worked for, and can be taken away
3983
« on: March 01, 2018, 11:58:24 AM »
"why adopt gun control rules when criminals just buy their guns illegally from the black market"
just to clarify, this is not the argument i'm making, and i made the same point towards deci in the other thread i figured my stance on gun control has been made clear enough in the past that i wouldn't need to clarify, but i support gun control to the extent that even most leftists might consider draconian all i'm saying here is that it's still a two-way street; the black market will always exist, yes, but i'm coming at it from the perspective of someone who's more in line with your thinking, not deci's thinking deci seems to be hung-up on the notion that any degree of gun control is pointless because it's not 100% effective, when, like you said, perfect efficacy is not what we're looking for it's minimization
3984
« on: March 01, 2018, 11:12:57 AM »
It's called the flea market.
3985
« on: March 01, 2018, 10:00:42 AM »
"Ban all guns"
You fucking can't, because anyone with ill intent can get a gun illegally even with the 2nd amendment abolished.
but less of them would happen, which is the whole point
nobody would be so retarded to argue that "banning all guns" would stop every shooting ever
the point is that it becomes much more difficult for shooters, which is better than absolutely nothing
It would be like Mexico where only criminals and cops have guns.
good
3986
« on: March 01, 2018, 09:27:42 AM »
well i guess it's okay, as long as it's a different company
a company that has been engaging in MUCH grimier business practices for literal decades before bungie underwent baby's first controversy
3987
« on: March 01, 2018, 09:24:25 AM »
so this game is basically destiny right
yes exactly well done
aren't you supposed to hate destiny or something
3988
« on: March 01, 2018, 09:19:59 AM »
tbh fam I'v been countering everyone who uses the "you can buy a rifle but not a beer" argument irl by agreeing that it's absurd and saying that we need to lower our drinking age to 18 like the rest of the developed world. It either ends the conversation or derails it totally away from guns.
wait, do people really use that argument in contexts other than "we ought to lower the drinking age"
3989
« on: March 01, 2018, 09:17:39 AM »
People who will want to commit a mass shooting will still do it, and it will happen a lot more than it does now. its called the flea market and the black market. No background checks, no test. Just pay cash, and you own a fucking AR-15 or AK47 or hell even a .22 Glock, illegally, and its incredibly easy to do if you have no guilty conscience or morals )
The majority of these young shooters don't strike me as resourceful enough to do this.
and it wouldn't be more or less difficult to do with or without a gun ban, or with added background checks the option to purchase illegal weapons on the black market will always be there regardless of what solutions we implement obviously
3990
« on: March 01, 2018, 09:14:03 AM »
so this game is basically destiny right
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