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2461
« on: January 21, 2016, 05:11:52 AM »
Alien and The Fifth Element.
If The Martian, Dune and 2001 are anywhere near the books then they are probably up there too.
2462
« on: January 20, 2016, 01:58:57 PM »
Specifically more openness to change, as in more openness to revising and correcting your views, not more changing.
Which still isn't true. The more open you are to revision the lower your standards will be when you decide to make--what you think are--corrections. Some inertia is necessary.
It doesn't have anything to do with standards. If you are committed to a view in itself over reality you are doing it wrong. If you would rather have what is familiar and comfortable over what is true you are doing it wrong. To make a comparison, you cannot possibly tell me with a straight face that something like the widespread denial of evolution in the US is a case of some people having "higher standards".
If you are unwilling to entertain the possibility that you are mistaken you have ceased to hold meaningful views, and willingness to entertain that possibility is not the same as being less certain.
I either phrased it vaguely or you've completely missed my point. I made the claim that saying higher openness to change equals a greater communion with reality is not correct. Some inertia is necessary, maybe quite a lot, but it's certainly not the case that the people most willing to change are more connected to reality.
2463
« on: January 20, 2016, 01:55:25 PM »
The actual smart people wouldn't go on a forum like this.
ha
2464
« on: January 20, 2016, 09:25:58 AM »
This place surprises me with how conservative it can be
It's not even that conservative. There's like Turkey, Midget. a few other not-so-active members and I who can reasonably be called "conservative".
This place, at least it seems, has way more moderate liberals and libertarians. Which isn't at all unusual.
Not really, tbh
There are plenty of moderates, but I'd say there are just as many conservative-leaning people on Sep7 as there are liberal-leaning people.
I doubt that, highly. Now that Gaara's here we have another conservative, but in my political compass thread the results were pretty heaving to the Left IIRC.
People usually consider themselves more liberal than they are
You mean apart from the conservatives. . . And the fact that the test is used precisely to bypass noise from self-perception.
2465
« on: January 20, 2016, 09:12:58 AM »
This place surprises me with how conservative it can be
It's not even that conservative. There's like Turkey, Midget. a few other not-so-active members and I who can reasonably be called "conservative".
This place, at least it seems, has way more moderate liberals and libertarians. Which isn't at all unusual.
Not really, tbh
There are plenty of moderates, but I'd say there are just as many conservative-leaning people on Sep7 as there are liberal-leaning people.
I doubt that, highly. Now that Gaara's here we have another conservative, but in my political compass thread the results were pretty heaving to the Left IIRC.
2466
« on: January 20, 2016, 08:15:17 AM »
That doesn't help when you go to actually see the movie and you find the "spoiler" you try to force yourself from believing is being set up in the story. This doesn't create a thrill of seeing whether or not it happens that viewers want, instead it creates a tension where the viewer is telling themselves they don't want it to happen when they know it's going to happen because it will ruin the surprise.
or you pretend you never read it. HOLY SHIT YOU'RE FINALLY HERE
2467
« on: January 20, 2016, 08:13:14 AM »
You're acting like I committed murder.
LOL. Remember that time you said a woman with psychotic depression should be executed, because she put her cat in the microwave?
2468
« on: January 20, 2016, 06:50:31 AM »
He legitimately believes they're one in the same
You leave objective morality alone.
2469
« on: January 20, 2016, 06:47:33 AM »
Most drinkers tend to agree with me, believe it or not.
I do, for the most part. I drink, smoke weed and take ecstasy (like, way too much over the past few days) as a form of escapism. But, I think you approach the issue in a way which isn't conducive to discussion--given that we're talking about something which is usually either seen from the perspective of "having fun" or a serious addiction, the sufferer of which you're calling a moron.
2470
« on: January 20, 2016, 06:43:02 AM »
And if you drink just for the flavor, then you're just... stupid.
What if you drink it moderately for health reasons?
2471
« on: January 20, 2016, 06:38:05 AM »
Specifically more openness to change, as in more openness to revising and correcting your views, not more changing.
Which still isn't true. The more open you are to revision the lower your standards will be when you decide to make--what you think are--corrections. Some inertia is necessary.
2472
« on: January 20, 2016, 06:30:25 AM »
(we all are average).
Except we aren't, some people are just better or worse than others.
2473
« on: January 18, 2016, 10:41:28 PM »
Button, zipper, belt.
Like, why would you do it any other way?
2474
« on: January 18, 2016, 10:39:37 PM »
which leaves them more resistant to change and therefore less responsive to reality
The corollary being that more change is equivocal to being more responsive to reality?
2475
« on: January 18, 2016, 08:21:12 PM »
yeah, because words like "stupid" and "dumb" are so objective and empirical
If you replace those term with "unexperienced" or "unrealistic" you get the same content as the one basically in Cadenza's argument. The article in the OP is a polemic, not an academic paper, but that shouldn't preclude discussion of its general point.
2476
« on: January 18, 2016, 08:02:14 PM »
So do you Bernie supporters believe that younger voters are of equal or greater intelligence than older voters? You're all pretty vague and dismissive.
Intelligence is not increased with age itself; rather, with experience in a field. Someone older has a higher probability of being more familiar with something like politics, but it is not necessarily so that a middle-aged man will be more politically savvy than a young adult.
Which supports Cadenza's point, really. Yeah, the article in the OP is fucking dumb, but we're all in agreement that there's some kind of empirical trend across age groups to do with experience, politics, whatever you want to call it. Just because it's not a logical necessity, it doesn't mean it's fallacious or unworthy of further study.
2477
« on: January 18, 2016, 05:34:38 PM »
Fuck that knife.
Anybody caught carrying even half of one of those in public needs to be tased, shot and spend the rest of their life at Her Majesty's Pleasure.
Right, but that's more because it's a retarded knife than any danger in it.
It's a retarded knife because it's so obviously dangerous and, it would seem, marketed to younger people. Youth gang and knife crimes are a pretty big problem over here, as well as the possibility of a repeat of the Lee Rigby murder. I'd rather get stabbed by a Stanley blade again when I least expect it, rather than face a yoot with that cunt of a knife.
2478
« on: January 18, 2016, 10:24:19 AM »
That's actually mad cool.
2479
« on: January 18, 2016, 09:21:23 AM »
I would argue that our "Conservative" users are in most cases the most liberal of all, in the classical sense of the word. I could be misunderstanding him, but, Meta, for example, seems to support Western militarism and "tradition" as a way to defend the relatively liberal society we currently have.
Conservatives basically are ideological liberals in the sense that they tend to adhere to the values of the Enlightenment. I'd say conservatism is more of an attitude than an outright ideology; it's an attitude towards humans as entities and how they act, towards progress, towards power and authority and order. To give you one example of the difference, just think about rule of law. Liberals want it (and indeed the French classical liberals fought for it on this ground) in order to make application of the law equal and truly just, without being based on the whims of a monarch or bureaucrat. Conservatives, on the other hand, tend to want the rule of law so that institutions are capable of preventing populist violence and disorder.
2480
« on: January 18, 2016, 09:15:05 AM »
It's nothing but sensationalism. Unless snipers now use .22 toggle-actions made for Olympic sharpshooting. High-school age refugees take target practice lessons alongside Swedish classmates, it's part of Sweden's integration programme.
>no no citizens shouldn't have guns
>shooting olympic events
fucking weird ass eurofags
You're just mad because you got cuck'd by SWEDEN.
2481
« on: January 18, 2016, 09:13:54 AM »
Fuck that knife.
Anybody caught carrying even half of one of those in public needs to be tased, shot and spend the rest of their life at Her Majesty's Pleasure.
2482
« on: January 18, 2016, 09:12:15 AM »
It's nothing but sensationalism. Unless snipers now use .22 toggle-actions made for Olympic sharpshooting. High-school age refugees take target practice lessons alongside Swedish classmates, it's part of Sweden's integration programme.
2483
« on: January 18, 2016, 09:07:17 AM »
Not high enough, tbh.
Excise taxes should be raised, like, 2000%.
Just tax drinkers and smokers into oblivion.
There'd be utterly no point in state control if you're just going to slap a ridiculous tax on whatever product you want people to stop using, especially cigarettes. At least the VA system maintains government control over the substance. Your proposal would just drive it underground because nobody is going to pay a 2000pc excise tax for a bottle of Jim Beam.
2484
« on: January 17, 2016, 10:33:56 PM »
If someone could demonstrate the problem to me without trying to appeal to my personal wallet, that would be super swell.
It's a completely unnecessary move which won't save money, because that would demand the restriction of services. It's the same for all single-payer systems.
2485
« on: January 17, 2016, 10:29:50 PM »
Not really, Palestinian support for Hamas has been steadily dropping for a while now, even throughout Operation Cast Lead.
Man, I hope so.
It's a pretty solid trend. It continued even throughout the blockade.
2486
« on: January 17, 2016, 10:27:41 PM »
This place surprises me with how conservative it can be
It's not even that conservative. There's like Turkey, Midget. a few other not-so-active members and I who can reasonably be called "conservative". This place, at least it seems, has way more moderate liberals and libertarians. Which isn't at all unusual.
2487
« on: January 17, 2016, 10:23:59 PM »
I don't disagree.
Then there's no real disagreement.
2488
« on: January 17, 2016, 10:22:56 PM »
Oh well.
That's money going towards something much greater than I could ever spend it on.
Come on, that's ridiculous. You're basically saying anything that involves government spending is a priori worth it.
2489
« on: January 17, 2016, 03:54:41 PM »
seems like there isnt really much of a distinction here aside from age/experience.
That's my point. I'm sure the Boomers were pretty dumb in their early years. I'm saying if a candidate draws support disproportionately from a particular demographic then we are not fallacious to try and draw conclusions. The same applies as much to Ron Paul as Sanders.
2490
« on: January 17, 2016, 11:23:20 AM »
He says the 18-25 year old base are idiots.
Again, doesn't make it fallacious. It's like complaining if somebody here said "Trade unionists support Jeremy Corbyn". It's both true, and we have the capacity to take some information from that. And, let's be perfectly honest, a lot of 18-25 year olds don't have especially tenable ideas on government and policy.
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